As the only reporter during this election who has actually visited upwards of 50 of John McCain's field offices around the country (13 battleground states and counting), this piece by Matthew Mosk at the Washington Post comes as no surprise:
The decision to finance a final advertising push is forcing McCain to curtail spending on Election Day ground forces to help usher his supporters to the polls, according to Republican consultants familiar with McCain's strategy.
The vaunted, 72-hour plan that President Bush used to mobilize voters in 2000 and 2004 has been scaled back for McCain. He has spent half as much as Obama on staffing and has opened far fewer field offices. This week, a number of veteran GOP operatives who orchestrate door-to-door efforts to get voters to the polls were told they should not expect to receive plane tickets, rental cars or hotel rooms from the campaign.
"The desire for parity on television comes at the expense of investment in paid boots on the ground," said one top Republican strategist who has been privy to McCain's plans. "The folks who will oversee the volunteer operation have been told to get out into the field on their own nickel."
The busiest McCain office we saw was in Arlington, at the national HQ, but tight security prevented us from getting any pictures. Ironically, that was our first full office, in our 11th battleground state.
Offices in Troy, Ohio were closed on Saturday October 11. With perfect coincidental timing, two elderly women dropped by to volunteer but found the office shut. At Republican state headquarters in Columbus later the same day, one lonely dialer sat in a sea of unoccupied chairs. In Des Moines on September 25, another empty office. In Santa Fe on September 17, one dialer made calls while six chatted amongst themselves about how they didn't like Obama. In Raleigh this past Saturday, ten days before the election with early voting already open, two women dialed and a male staffer watched the Georgia-LSU game. In Durango, Colorado on September 20, the Republican office was locked and closed. Indiana didn't have McCain Victory offices when we were there in early October.
When the offices are open, they have reduced hours. We can confidently plan to get evening good-light photographs of a town after we visit the local McCain office, because we know it will be closing by 5 pm, as the office in Wilmington, North Carolina was this past Sunday. The plan is, get to inevitably closed/closing McCain office, get an hour of photos near sunset, then visit the bustling local Obama office.
In Cortez, CO, we had Republican volunteers pose for action-shot photos. The same in Española, New Mexico. Posed. For some time at the outset, we were willing to give Republicans the benefit of the doubt. They convinced us they were really working, and that we had just had unfortunate timing. It wasn't until the pattern of "just missed it" started to sound like a drumbeat in our ears that we began to grow skeptical. We never "just missed" any of the Obama volunteer work, because it goes on nonstop, every day, in every office, in every corner of America.
We found scattered nuggets of activity. Colorado Springs, Colorado held eight dialers and two front office volunteers. Albemarle County, Virginia had a busy office of 15 volunteers, and we reported that. Last night in Tampa, nine phonebankers were busy dialing at the Republican Party of Florida Hillsborough County HQ when we arrived at 8:00 pm. Seven dialers sat in McCain's Hickory, North Carolina office this past Saturday afternoon.
Those offices seemed busy to us, naturally, because they were explosively full relative to other offices we've stopped in on. But even the Colorado Springs office was dwarfed by the Obama Colorado Springs operation.
These ground campaigns do not bear any relationship to one another. One side has something in the neighborhood of five million volunteers all assigned to very clear and specific pieces of the operation, and the other seems to have something like a thousand volunteers scattered throughout the country. Jon Tester's 2006 Senate race in Montana had more volunteers -- by a mile -- than John McCain's 2006 presidential campaign.
When Republican volunteers talk to us about how much enthusiasm and participation they notice in fellow volunteers, they mention how many people have come to pick up yard signs or bumper stickers. We haven't yet seen a single Republican canvasser. (The one in Cortez, CO was staged; she said canvassing is the kind of thing she would do, and we made a decision to do the picture because we were concerned with not presenting "balance." There is no balance in the facts.)
When we attempted to visit the Republican HQ in Maryland Heights, Missouri, we saw a couple volunteers populating the office, and we were subsequently denied the opportunity to even speak to volunteers specifically selected so as to be "on message." By contrast, Obama's volunteers own such a piece of the campaign (Respect-Empower-Include) that the problem is they often have too much information, and when the campaign allows me to talk with them on the record I can ask a too-precise series of questions that result in publishing details the campaign later realizes it didn't want published.
We read the published comments from McCain spokespeople that argue the dialing/canvassing numbers are ahead of where they were at the same time four years ago. Well, either the Bush ground game of 2004 was the Big Myth, or those spokespeople are flat lying to reporters, who have no context to challenge those claims because they haven't seen the empty offices the way we have.
When the final chapters are written in this election about the ground game, many thousands of words will recognize that the Obama campaign truly was this:
But the other story, the story on which we've had a running eight-week exclusive in 36 separate On the Road pieces and counting, is that John McCain's ground campaign is just not happening. It hasn't been happening, without Sarah Palin there might be four or five volunteers across the entire nation left, and now, per Mosk's piece at WaPo, it looks like it will be happening even less.
*_*
One dialer, Santa Fe:
One dialer, Albuquerque:
Staged, Española:
Closed, Durango:
Posed, Cortez:
Closed, Grand Junction:
Des Moines, empty of volunteers:
Troy, Ohio, locked:
Columbus HQ, one dialer:
Toledo, two volunteers and one security guard:
Sterling, VA, closing at 5, one dialer:
Empty, Fredericksburg, VA:
Richmond, VA, one dialer:
Raleigh, NC HQ, two dialers:
Wilmington, NC, closing at 5 and yawny, empty:

















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Indeed.
You've got us just where you want us, huh John?
I'm off to get the ingredients for a big ol' Schadenfreude Pie.
http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004492.html
you win on the ground, not from the air. A military man should know that. Oh, he was a pilot...
Wow, I've visited the Obama headquarters and Democratic headquarters in Van Nuys and they are positivley buzzing with activity! It must be sad to be a Republican these days.
Could it merely be timing? For instance, would volunteers be more likely to be in the office and dialing in the evening when a) they're not at work and b) the people they would be calling are home?
Do the dialing numbers perhaps include robo dialing? I live in Ohio and had 3 messages from them just last night. (I regularly get at least 1 a night)
I'm in favour of the ad buys in AZ, GA and so on.
They may make some difference in the voting, but I don't think that's their major effect.
The people this move may well be aimed at are the Republican GOTV people.
If they are halfway competent, they will realise that if Obama can afford to fly kites in AZ and GA, then the Obama campaign must be supremely confident of its GOTV efforts in the real battlegrounds.
Sean's bleak vista of closed and understaffed offices shows that there aren't many of them now - if those they have are demotivated and give up, even better for BHO.
To win a ground battle, it obviously helps if you have superior infantry numbers of your own, as Obama definitely seems to have, but if you can get parts of the opposing forces believing that the game's not worth the candle and not bother showing up, your advantage is increased.
And if previous Pub activists don't show up this time, they're also less likely to show up next time.
In some ways, the AZ buy is the first stage in the re-election campaign.
Here is the biyt I don't get anbout all of this, does John McCain not know how to run for President? Does he not have a campaign team that can organise a ground game? I know Obama has organised the best ground game ever, but McCain hasn't organised any kind of ground game AT ALL.
So basically Obama has just done a much better job of brain-washing his followers into complete submission.
Same in Herkimer New-York on a Saturday back in October.
Audient said...
you win on the ground, not from the air. A military man should know that.
As a pilot, McCain spent a lot of time grounded.
Could it merely be timing?
Yeah, that must be why you keep losing at the roulette wheel.
Nice post!
McCain can feel momentum in Ohio, we should be worried...
McCain says IA is tied, we should be worried...
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent post! Its a shame the MSM NEVER covers this. Absolutely laughable.
Does anyone feel like the last 8 years were a terrible dream and we can hear our alarm clock going off and waking us up?
BUT ITS NOT OVER! KEEP FIGHTING FOR OBAMA. KEEP CANVASSING. KEEP TALKING TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
Find your local office here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/statepages
McCain wasn't even grounded, he was parachuting to lucky survival. 5 planes he crashed?
The ground game deficit is GREAT NEWS!!!!! For John McCain!!!!!!!!!
McCain wasn't even grounded, he was parachuting to lucky survival. 5 planes he crashed?
I posted this so far down on the previous thread that I didn't see any response, so here goes again:
I think it's pretty clear at this point that Obama will win the popular vote, and the EVs. The real question is, will the electronic machines reflect that vote accurately? How can the vote-flipping that has been going on this week in WV, TX, CO, TN be explained (all of it from Dem to Repub) if not that the machines have been rigged in some way?
My own theory is that the software has been set up so that the default position for cast ballots is the straight Republican ticket. That way, if the machine misreads a selection because of faulty calibration, bad synchronization, power surge, whatever... it will revert to straight Republican vote. In this way, the thugs who run these voting machine companies have been able to guarantee that the one percent (approx.) of misread votes will result in a net gain of one percent for the Repugs.
I'm not an IT person by any means. Does this theory make sense?
This is what happens when a community organizer uses his much-ridiculed experience.
dropine: An anti-depressant used by ideologues.
This makes me smile :)
matthew said...
So basically Obama has just done a much better job of brain-washing his followers into complete submission.
McCain Surge !!
Epic article. This is a primary source for the history books!
-Rhode Island X
LOL!!! This is what happens when the GOP motto: Looking out for #1----becomes unpopular, as it should. And this is what happens when stupidity and anti-intellectualism is pushed and peddled...and ultimately REJECTED.
Sean, did you see any indicators that McCain's folks might be doing phone banking from home. Not that I know anyone who is doing that in this election, mind you ;-).
I voted for McCain in 2000. Today, I cannot think of a single thing — not ONE thing — that the McCain campaign (practically or ideologically) has done better than Obama's. The only surprise to me in all of this is that somehow 45% of America STILL think's he's the right choice. Ridiculous.
Matthew:
A-yup.
It's interesting to wonder: is this the enthusiasm gap, the employment gap, or the funding gap between the two campaigns?
It sounds like it's been a consistent theme for McCain to have empty or understaffed offices for a few months, and the low numbers of yard signs (comparatively) suggest it's more an enthusiasm issue.
I don't buy the "Just missed" line, either. It's possible, but improbable that they'd miss flurries of activity at pretty much every McCain field office.
coment: what I'm leaving.
Former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein endorses Obama
Sean:
I'm sure you don't need my encouragement, but I really hope to see some pieces from you on the much-hyped 72-hour Republican GOTV effort.
I absolutely love your "On the Road" series. You have been providing a valuable perspective on the ground game that is nearly absent from all other reporting. Today's article, with its closing photo montage, brilliantly summarizes the inexcusable failure of the McCain campaign to motivate and organize its volunteers.
Hats off to you Sean for your reporting. Beats the hell out of most of the lazy-ass stuff you get in mainstream print and electronic media.
General Patton knew the Nazis were losing when they started using carts to take the dead off of larger battlefields. They were out of oil after North Africa was pinched by the Allies. Ambulances became immobile operating rooms out of resource for the Nazis.
McCain is pulling resources from a vital need (GOTV) to fund television in states the GOP won in 2004. This is about preventing blowout and possibly saving some seats in Congress for the GOP they may lose in the tsunami.
Obama's ground game has to take this thing through the finish line to win, though - sadly enough they will be forced to defend people at the poll being challenged.
Holy shit.
GREAT work you guys.
wv: redisti. I dunno. Something about the red (states) getting isti. I'm so punchy at this point.
Wow! Linky Real Joe?
Dont let up
$30 more and get a free shirt
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/splashcampaignshirt
Can I get 4 others to give $30 more?
Goal 1 of 5
Frankly, I'm appalled at the blatant journalism that is evident in this story. It's almost as though you've gone around the country actually observing what is going on in terms of the ground game, and reported on it. Typical lefties.
McCain's ought to be kicking himself right now for accepting the public funds, which drastically limited his ability to run ads and get-out-the-vote operations that could have helped him.
So, Real Joe, I too will be watching for that big surprize coming up. Can't wait.
I'm glad you guys picked up on this, I was completely beside myself when I saw this news, and linked to in 2 thread down. IMO, A large portion of McCain's ads are negative ones that attacks Obama. Ones that most agree only appeal to a certain base, and doesn't seem to have convince any moderates, rather, they seem to drive moderates further and further away. How in the world do these guys expect to gain ground by increasing ad buys at the expense of the ground game is beyond me. Then again, McCain's campaign seems to be in some other imaginary world with all they have been saying.
Something seems completely wrong here.
All the available empirical evidence says McCain is going to get walloped.
Yet the wingnuts and the McCain campaign are doing everything they can to suggest it's hotly contested and a dead heat.
Are they really selling all their credibility to prop up this illusion in the hopes that, somehow, it'll motivate a bunch of lethargic righties and right-leaners to "join the party" on Nov. 4?
Or are they setting the propaganda cover for the most audacious effort to steal an election in US history?
Nov. 5 can't get here fast enough.
Obama now +4.4 in IBD. Sitting pretty
land phones?
At our Obama office we bring our own cell phones. How much money has McCain wasted on phones?
Still worried about vote stealing...
Why bother posing for a picture of you making phone calls? Why not just make the damn phone calls?
These are some of the saddest pictures I've ever seen that weren't of a war or a famine.
Sean,
Very interesting post. Thanks.
I guess we'll see whether another of the McCain gambles pays off or falls flat.
GOBAMA!!!
@sedi
Frankly, I'm appalled at the blatant journalism that is evident in this story. It's almost as though you've gone around the country actually observing what is going on in terms of the ground game, and reported on it. Typical lefties.
Comment of the week! Well put.
Rasmussen
New Hampshire
O-51
M-44
Georgia
M-52
O-47
Reagan chief of staff:
McCain’s interview with Palin was easier than getting a job at McDonald’s
Link
the ad buy and tightening polls in Arizona will drive the newscycle for yet another day or two. Excellent.
I have been in Missouri on the ground for many weekends now and I have never once seen a canvasser for McCain. I have been in the parts of St. Louis County where they should be out door knocking
Ouch !
Bob Beamon huh? Forget the 28 foot barrier, he's gonna jump all the way to 29 feet?
You realize what you're insinuating right? Not only will Obama win in a landslide but states like AZ, GA, MT, ND, SD, et al are going to vote for him. He's going to get 55+% of the popular vote.
That's a bold prediction, 4 days from now should be interesting.
Frankly, this depresses me. This little effort on the part of McCain's campaign, this MUCH on the part of Obama's, and Obama still leads by less than 10%?
Oh, forgot to mention that McPalin may want go back home on Nov. 5th, nurse their wounds, and take a look at the lesson they've learned in what community organizers do!!!
HAHAHA!!!:)
@Sedi...Very funny, as always.
GOBAMA!!!
This is a truly stunning piece of work and, like someone else said, may very well serve as a piece of history. Congratulations on an outstanding piece of journalism. I like it so much that I've linked it to my piece on the election, here:
http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/31/enough-already-im-calling-this-one-for-obama/
Thanks again.
"The fundamental business of the country ... is on a sound and prosperous basis."
A John McCain quote? Nope. From Herbert Hoover, first week of November, 1929, just days after the crash and the start of the Great Depression.
Scary...
No offense to some of you.
But what do you want the McCain camp to do?
Admit defeat?
New state polls.
AZ- McCain 50% Obama 46%
CO Obama 52% McCain 45%
MO Obama 48% McCain 48%
MT Obama 46% McCain49%
NH Obama 56% McCain 41%
These are ARG results just published today.
Even though ARG is a terrible pollster, these numbers are very similar to what other polling firms have been showing
Just so you don't think Nate is being biased see the photos for Larimer County, CO (Fort Collins) on the GOP's own web site.
http://www.larimergop.org/photos/lcrw-phone/album/index.html
ARG
Arizona
McCain 50, Obama 46
Colorado
Obama 52, McCain 45
Missouri
Obama 48, McCain 48
Montana
McCain 49, Obama 46
New Hampshire
Obama 56, McCain 41
Sen: Shaheen (D) 53, Sununu (R-i) 41
Gov: Lynch (D-i) 68, Kenney (R) 28
Question for Obama Volunteers:
I went by to volunteer last night (finally). While there, the organizer advocated taking a sick day or more for Obama (Monday and/or Tuesday).
I'm wondering if this is campaign wide or if it's just this place. While it's historic and phenomenally important given the last 8 years, I can't imagine Obama asking us to risk our jobs.
"Baghdad Bob" the Iraqi Information Minister makes a comeback -- he's now mind-controlling McCain manager Rick Davis!
"McCain chief claims Iowa "dead even"
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_chief_claims_Iowa_dead_even.html
Further quotes from Davis:
"There are no Obama infidels in Iowa. Never!"
"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"
"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"
"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Obama!"
"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of John McCain!"
"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Des Moines]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iowa. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."
"We made them drink poison last night and John McCain's volunteers and his great forces gave the Democrats a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."
538 influences Doonesbury!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2008/10/doonesbury_calls_the_election.html?hpid=news-col-blogs
@Rooty
This is about GOTV. GOTV has nothing to do with polls numbers, it's about getting voters into the booths on election day.
I'm not worried about the election being stolen anymore. The spread is just too big, in too many states, and in too many places where Democrats control the election machinery.
@Mark Hussein
What do you expect the McCain campaign to do? Deliver the concession speech now?
Their decision to splurge on last minute TV ads in the battlegrounds rather than investing in the GOTV effort is in fact a raising of the white flag.
It seems most likely to me that they have taken the temperature of their activist base and have concluded that they won't actually have enough boots on the ground to make it worth running a Bush/Rove-style 72-hour GOTV operation. At least the ad buy buys what it buys, whereas investing in a GOTV operation which won't have any staff is money completely wasted.
And of course they are spinning it to make it look like a rational choice rather than the throwing in of the towel that it actually is.
WV: tepter - what you do through tulips
Heroic reporting. You are doing work that no other reporter is doing, and have collected data invaluable to any elections enthusiast.
You will be able to write the narrative of this election- I look forward to your (beautifully illustrated) book.
omg i typed a whole damn thing and it didn't go!
I live in Fl and am fine with ads going elsewhere. All of McCain's ads attack Obama. None offer anything on his policies, he is an idiot. Most of Obama's are about his policies and clearing up to the viewer how he would run certain things as president.
I am concerned about the voter suppression and voter fraud. I read (imagine that) that the memory chips in the machines can be hacked into within 7 minutes and skew the results...I do believe anything is possible, but this is offensive.
This race is by no means won, and I have also wondered how McCain is just so damn certain that he will absolutely win. One thing is to "never say die" (goonies), another is to know something no one else knows. I do not like it and my concern is not for the millions that will do right, it is for the few that know how to get the right thing the wrong way...
Sorry on my "concern trolling" but the polls aren't facts. We won't know them in theory until Nov 4.
I just had a paranoia moment I hope it passes. Any thoughts on the computer hacking into the memory chips would be cool, obviously not nation wide, but in a swing state, maybe one that the GOP is pushing that McCain is gaining ground (when he really isn't) maybe a state that no one thought he could win, and all of the sudden he and Palin show up and everyone goes their way.....Thoughts?
expontl-the lil number that goes above the big number to get a multiple of that number that many times
" Frankly, I'm appalled at the blatant journalism that is evident in this story. It's almost as though you've gone around the country actually observing what is going on in terms of the ground game, and reported on it. Typical lefties.
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This is my absolute favorite post of all time in this country.
This series honestly deserves serious consideration for some serious journalism awards.
LOL. This post is great.
WV- Duckbo: Sarah Palin has mandated widespread cooking of "Duckbo," Southern gumbo treated with duck that she has shot herself, in order to show VA & NC voters that they can see the South from their window, as well! How mavericky!
Reagan chief of staff:
McCain’s interview with Palin was easier than getting a job at McDonald’s
"Want lies with that?"
(shamelessly stolen from poster at ThinkProgress)
If anybody has access to Rasmussen premium content:
What is the AA percentage in their LV sample?
funny about the NH numbers by Rass--they are an imporvement by Rass who had Obama up only by 4 last time. Ha! Yes the tightening is happening.
McCain saying: "We got 'em just where we want 'em" is odd and annoying. BUT it also was what he said before the 2000 SC primary.
I hope he's as prophetic as he was then.
Excellent summary, but when is the book coming out?
You could write the book on the 2008 elections.
Does anyone have a link to all saved electoral map projections (the top map on the right side) from 538?
I'd like to make a gif animation of all of them.
This race is by no means won, and I have also wondered how McCain is just so damn certain that he will absolutely win.
McCain is so certain of victory that he's skipping his own victory party.
There's another poll on pollster that has PA very close . . . what's going on??? I scared :(
Dominic,
I have no technical knowledge on the subject, but your theory of voting machine manipulation sounds plausible and less likely to yield some sort of obviously fraudulent code to outright change a small percentage of votes ala Superman 2/Office Space. In the pictures of malfunctioning touchscreen machines I have seen so far on CNN.com, etc., McCain is also the top candidate on the screen, and it may be easier to modify the machine's calibration to get Obama presses to count for McCain.
I am one of the "tin foil" types that will go to my grave convinced that some type of voting fraud occurred in 2004 in Ohio (2000 in Florida is well-documented), so this definitely worries me. But thankfully, this election isn't going to come down to a single big EV swing state with state officials on McCain's campaign team (or if it does, it's much harder to foresee than 2000 or 2004). I think it's too big to fix, and I think a lot of lower-level Republicans aren't going to take any risks to bail out McCain/Palin. They aren't worth fighting for, even to them.
Research 2000 Montana:
M: 48
O: 44
Other (Paul I assume): 3
I love these segments!! I live in California and volunteered one weekend for Obama in Washoe County Nevada and was so impressed by the size and organization of the Obama campaign. There were at least 1,000 of us ready to work for Obama at 9AM on a Saturday morning, and the campaign said that what we were doing had been happening every weekend for weeks. That was a few weeks ago right when early voting started and I left as sure as I am about anything that Obama would win Nevada and moreover this election.
For Pete's sake, if you're going to concern troll, you have to be more subtle than saying you are scared. Where did these people learn how to do this?
It's the McCain / Palin November surprise.
All of McCain's volunteer efforts are underground. Come Nov. 4th America will see the 5 votes cast for McCain. The most miserable, deceitful, hate mongering, racist, and disgusting campaigns in history.
LOVE the McCain/Palin ad at the end of this article.
Actually Matthew, instead of brain washing what you are seeing are people freely exercising a love of country. I'm a conservative who decided to support Obama. Early on I decided that if you actually value something you'll be willing to publicly proclaim that value, knowing the alternatives, and despite the consequences. I've been amused by claims, like yours, that seem to have bought into the early celebrity ads. Maybe you're the one that's been brain washed, heh?
You can see my reason for voting HERE. What's your reason?
I know you guys have been covering this theme for weeks, but seeing it all together like this really makes it hit home. Really well written, great pictures, great everything. A+
So come on Nate, how about some statistics on how likely it is that you guys have literally "just missed" concerted, enthusiastic activity in every single McCain office you've visited?
@Dominic How can the vote-flipping that has been going on this week in WV, TX, CO, TN be explained (all of it from Dem to Repub) if not that the machines have been rigged in some way?
Different things are happening in different places. I am not following this issue comprehensively this cycle, but I am well-informed regarding some of the situations developing in some places, and generally aware of what's going on.
Below are some explanations that account for some issues.
Some touchscreen voting machines (DREs) have well-known alignment problems, where the computer may not agree with the voter on what part of the screen has been touched. This problems is exacerbated for visually impaired voters, even voters with mild visual impairment like my minor astigmatism. Thus the machines can easily select a candidate different from the one desired.
Some DREs have lousy user interfaces that, at least in some situations, make it appear that a candidate has been selected when this is not actually the case.
Finally, if you are going to rig a DRE to steal votes, you should normally do it so that no evidence of this is visible to the voter. There is no particular relationship between what appears on the screen and what is recorded in memory, except as enforced by the software running on the DRE. Hacking the DRE means that any rules enforced by the software are vulnerable. There is thus no reason to advertise that votes are being stolen.
In summary, DREs are vulnerable to failure, fraud, poor performance, and denial-of-service attacks. What we've seen so far is the typical lousy behavior from these poor-conceived and shoddily manufactured devices. There's no news here. That does not mean that all is well, but I am aware of no particular evidence of votes being stolen this cycle.
If you have specific situations you are interested in, post links and put my name in the message to increase the chances I'll notice, and I'll try to give you more specifics. (Unless, of course, my inbox starts looking like Nate's.)
(word: rhodamm: unreasonable optimism that prevents necessary action. Second try: holedati: how we used to record votes before FL2000.)
Sean -- you and Brett are doing phenomenal work, and I hope you use it to springboard to a rewarding and lasting space on the national scene -- the work you, Nate, and Brett are doing are truly changing journalism and raising the bar. It's almost painful to watch the talking heads on TV (except you, Nate) profer old hackneyed expressions based on very little but anecdote, rather than insightful analysis and the hard-work, on-the-ground style journalism you guys are re-inventing. Thank you and great job.
I really do wish the On The Road series had some national recognition. It's phenomenal and it is very very much in the spirit of active citizenry that Obama encourages (and is one of my FAVORITE things. Fancy thinking that we are CITIZENS of this country and not just renters and hangers on of the government, like little pet gerbils who give them money and can be trotted out to die when needed). It is a new era. I feel it.
wv:proohe The proohe is in the OH pudding.
zzyzx --
I'm not a troll you silly. I've posted here before. I'm ACTUALLY nervous/scared, even if it's hard for you to believe people can be honest on these boards. I actually come here for reassurance. Golly gee!
Dom: 'My own theory is that the software has been set up so that the default position for cast ballots is the straight Republican ticket.... I'm not an IT person by any means. Does this theory make sense?'
Yes and no. If the machines were intentionally rigged, then anything is possible. Then again, that makes it easier to spot.
If the default initialization value of some hypothetical party vote variable was GOP, then whenever you first logged in or whatever (haven't actually voted before..) it would show GOP. So everyone would have to manually change it to vote not-GOP. That would be really obvious.
You could also, I suppose, have the GOP be the 'else' part of an if-else evaluation tree, which would make everything not explicitly specified previously go GOP. However, in order for that to work, the party var would have to be written to incorrectly somehow. Barring glitches/'glitches' (the first case), then nobody's Dem vote would go through properly, and there's no way that would pass even the most basic effectiveness test.
And then there's hardware failure...
Here's the poll:
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/strategicvision_mi_nh_pa_10272.php
:(
This is why I got so annoyed by so many leftists whining about 2004 (or even 2000).
They've lost the ability to distinguish between actually rigging an election and perfectly normal irregularities.
w00t for Obama! : D ,
At my workplace you can take time off for any reason because sick days and vacation are the same time pool. I'm taking the 4th off to drive people.
Helen, calm down. It'll be quite fine come Tuesday. GOTV! It's important for the downticket people.
re: Helen
There have been *dozens* of polls of Pennsylvania in the last few weeks. Troll or not, anyone who is a regular reader of this site should be intelligent and discerning enough to know what information can and cannot be gleaned from cherrypicking the two most favorable to McCain.
Regarding the possible notion of getting over 400 electoral votes, here's the thing, if there are 1 or 2 states where AA turnout is underestimated as a % of the elctorate by 3-5%, the polls could be off a huge amount. A state like Mississippi or Louisiana could baffle the pollsters and pundits. It's a defnite possibility. I'd argue Obama hasa better chance of winning Louisiana, Mississippi, or Tennessee than McCain does of winning Pennsylvania.
Helen, SV has a GOP lean. O+5 on that one isn't anything to worry about.
RCP still has PA O+9.3.
Helen:
The 2 "close" PA Polls are from Republican-leaning pollsters (Mason Dixon O+4 and Strategic Vision O+5). A new PPP PA Poll had Obama up way over 10 points. The truth is somewhere in between the polls and I will take an Obama +8 win in PA anyday. The MSM are talking about these "close" polls for ratings and are desperate for this election to look close. I am not worried until I see some less repub-leaning polls of PA down to 4 or 5. Rasmussen's latest PA Poll was O+7 and I generally add 2 points to that for Ras.
@whilden -- I pitched in $30.
Thanks Andrew,
I believe, that Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States based on, well every damn thing. If that does not happen, than basically everyyyyyyyybody was wrong, unlikely. I just get the case of Pessimism (reality check?) on idiots. For those of you who don't think there are idiots out there, tell me your secret.
WV-whing, what Cindy does backstage because she is never allowed to talk.
where can i see pictures of obamas ground campaign offices?
One of the first posts I read on this site was one of Sean's On The Road pieces in which there was a vibrant Obama office and a moribund McCain one.
Knowing the importance of worker enthusiasm and GOTV as I do, I knew that the election was basically done and dusted there and then: I've been round enough election campaigns in the UK to be able to smell a victorious campaign a mile off, and this one positively reeked of winning.
The polls have merely served to confirm the obvious.
stianl: A Spanish aunt on SNL.
This article was fascinating, and reassuring, but I find it incredible to think that McCain has no ground game to speak of, especially since the ground game has played such a major part of past elections, essentially winning them for the Republicans.
And they certainly claim to have one hell of a ground game, right now, including millions of touches a day.
Anyone have any other first hand experience with the R ground game?
As for the voting machine theory, I'm not so sure.
I'm an electrical engineer who has done some coding, and yes, it's possible that the programmers could default the systems in that way, but if anyone got hold of the code, that would be really freakin' obvious, and ruin the company reputation, as well as pretty much destroying the GOP. You won't find that scenario on the machines themselves.
The bigger concern is if these things are compromised via a network. The diebold machines were shown to have numerous software and hardware security flaws by independent investigators, so a USB stick could temporarily modify the code to do the vote switch, or the system could be accessed by a backdoor for the same purpose.
The more probably difficulty is with the interface getting misaligned, as well as having a crap-tastic graphical interface.
Personally, I'd use a system that had hardware buttons on the side of the screen, like most ATMs possess. Press the button corresponding to your choice, the choice is highlighted, press another button to vote for the highlighted option. Buttons to scroll up and down through options, if needed.
Touch screens are too finicky and unreliable for the voting process.
@kittles93,
It's a good question. I think most of us just wish McCain had run an honorable campaign...or something approaching one...or at least something better than the disgrace they have rolled out. McCain might well be winning this thing if he had, and quite frankly, I think a lot of us are concerned that the McCain/Palin tactics are going to get someone killed. McCain could campaign on the issues if he wanted, as he said he would. Instead he blames Obama for these unrelenting personal attacks because Obama didn't want to do McCain's town hall debates. I am thankful that McCain seems to be keeping his promise about not "using" Rev. Wright, but truthfully it's baffling that he thinks he is somehow preserving some integrity by doing so.
The fact that this race is still close speaks to the effectiveness of the divisive GOP politics of the last 14 years and the true race-baiting that the campaign, Palin and, to a lesser extent, McCain himself, have engaged in. Make no mistake, even in blowouts, a lot of people vote for the loser, and that doesn't make them racist or any other type of "ist" that should be condemned. But I have a hard time believing that McCain has convinced a substantial portion of voters of any kind with his rare policy arguments, and has convinced far more by offering nebulous and often ridiculous rationalizations why people shouldn't trust an "other"-looking candidate.
Yes, please do another post showing pictures of the Obama HQ and field offices for contrast!
helen, your frowny face and "i scared" made you my new favorite concern troll.
"So basically Obama has just done a much better job of brain-washing his followers into complete submission."
@Matthew: I hear that word a lot around here, "brainwashing". Could you define it before using it again? Because while I'll admit that a lot of Obama supporters are kinda "out-there", most of the folks in these call centers are only there for a couple hours a week. Not exactly what I'd call "complete submission"...
Eric is on top of it.
crises...I kid you not
2000 Pennsylvania is 3.8% bluer than national popular vote
2004 Pennsylvania is 5.0% bluer than national popular vote
2008 Pennsylvania is 3.9% bluer than national popular vote
(Based on 35 PA polls from 17 pollsters over the last 5 weeks compared to the national RCP average)
It's impossible that PA is close. bush worked it hard in 2000 and 2004. The polls show the truth.
I wrote it up on the last thread, but what Rick Sanchez did to Ben (young right wing talk show host) over the Goldfarb interview yesterday was brilliant.
The McCain campaign now says that Goldfarb yesterday was anti Semitic was Keremiah Wright. After destroying the talking points, Sanchez ended with a statement from the Anti-Defamation League saying, no, we don't think so, and Ben basically saying, hey, that's just one group's opinion.
This interview is going to go viral soon.
I drove from my Yonkers, NY home yesterday to the Stroudsburg, PA headquarters to volunteer for Obama, having been away for two weeks. I found that the staffer I had reported to in my earlier work there had been moved out to a new location closer to the part of Monroe County for which he and his crew were responsible. The Stroudsburg HQ wasn't large enough to hold all the activity. There was a room full of callers, all day; there was a room full or yard sign assemblers most of the afternoon, and by mid-afternoon the database positions were all occupied, processing the info from the callers and preparing for the weekend canvass. Scranton, only 50 miles away, surely has an even larger HQ; Biden was in Allentown, just 40 minutes away, yesterday afternoon, surely their two HQs were buzzing; and all told there are at least 10 Obama HQs within one hour of Stroudsburg. It's a phenomenal operation and it's headed for a big win.
Wow. Great post; fantastic site. I've done some volunteering for the Obama campaign and was blown away by the both the numbers of people and their diversity (and I'm in CO). Woo hoo for CO going blue!
Thank you guys for clarifying the polls!! I got worried despite obviously knowing that there are lots of good PA polls for two reasons -- that these are two in the past two days (vs the past week), and because McCain really does seem convinced that he is close in Iowa and PA for whatever reason . . . we don't know what their internals are showing. He might be dillusional, or he might not and we won't know until Nov. 5. It's just getting so close to election day that I'm getting nervous. :) Haha and I'm in MI and we're DEFINITELY going to be getting out the vote!! I plan to not sleep the next 4 days, we're going to be doing canvassing non-stop starting tomorrow early morning until the polls close. :) :)
Inkstain, you need a hug.
RCP has not put the latest two AZ poll released today ARG(M+4) and R2000(M+1). They will have to move AZ to toss up.
Interesting, some of those dialers aren't dialing. One is just staring off into space. Maybe the phones are out. Yeah, that must be it
A thought on absentee ballots. Is it as certain as it usually is that absentee ballots are going to skew GOP this year?
Am watching Sky News on TV in the UK, and the amount of talking up of McCain thats going on is ridiculous. (Sky is Fox's British cousin).
Over at DK, Kos implied that there was yet another ND poll coming out that shows it being a tossup. Will this finally get Nate's model to accept the swing state reality of ND for more than a day?
OK, first off....
hahahahahahahaaaa...cough..ahem..snort...
Second, two posts back to back, one questions Obama for advertising in AZ, ND and GA, the next post proves exactly why.
I agree with 99.9999% of what I read from Nate and Sean, but I have to disagree that this 5% deficit is really insurmountable. That's in contrast to everything we've been reading on here about how ground game is going to be turning out voters who don't show up on the radar of pollsters. Nate well knows the one big remaining question is "who will turn out?"
We have ample evidence now that this 5 point lead in Georgia could easily end up being overcome by a 30% AA turnout. Move a few white voters, and hey, remember that no one legitimately disputes that all the Kerry states and Iowa are safe for Obama, even if the much debunked Bradley Effect turns out to be real (worrying that he might lose PA is actually buying into McCain's desperate argument, and Nate knows better than to go there...or I thought he did). Given that, w/ 259 EVs sewn up, all it takes is for Virginia to go blue and we know Obama has won. But what it VA turns around (or is stolen). Georgia would do it.
Add to that the fact that McCain has demonstrated himself to be a tit for tat kind of campaigner when it comes to TV advertising, but has completely left the ground game aside, as if he has more confidence in (and fear of) TV ads than of face to face voter contact. Clearly if Obama starts advertising in red states at this point, it's going to force McCain to either leave those ads unanswered and go all in for the ground game, or go all in on the ads and leave the ground game. Arguably, the later is the better choice for Obama, and McCain fell for it.
Seriously though, think about it. 538 has a good sense of where the election is based on the polls, but knowing that what we're averaging out to is a methodology based on sound reasoning and historical context. Well there is no sound reasoning or historical context surrounding an election wher one of the choices is not a rich, old white man. We know Obama excites the youths, the non-whites, the disadvantaged who normally don't vote, and we know that the superior ground game can move quite a few votes. We also know about the large enthusiasm gap, and we're seeing signs of it in early voting everywhere.
Bottom line is, in a "typical" election, a 5 point lead at this point in the race is insurmountable. But the fact that Nate didn't point out that this has great potential to be anything BUT a typical election is somewhat disappointing. I will not be surprised if Obama wins every state that is within 10 points in polling...we've heard how Seltzer gives Obama about 5 points for this, and I honestly think she's being too conservative. This means that if he can compete, he probably should.
The main reason is, a 272 to 266 EV victory is good enough, but if I were Obama I'd be looking at Nate's #'s and saying, OK, I'm probably at 375, if nothing gets stolen. But add Georgia I'm at 390. Add North Dakota I'm at 393. Add Arizona I'm at 403. I'd be looking at Montana, South Dakota, Mississippi and NE-1 and 2 if I were Obama and had the money to spend. Hell, I'd even pour some money into Arkansas and West Virginia, get it up to 428/110 as best case scenario. And be happy with anything over 325, because the media will call that a landslide.
@Jason
There's actually a significant chance that this race is not close at all.
The mood in Repub circles seems to be so bad that the McCain vote could drop off a cliff in the last few days, and with no significant GOTV, a lot of them will stay home rather than waste their time hanging around for hours to cast a losing vote.
Alice,
I'm from Stroudsburg PA. Glad to hear the office was buzzing. Did you talk to John? How was your canvassing experience?
Looking at the Sterling, VA office, I'm rather shocked. I'm working for the Obama campaign in Leesburg, VA, which is in the same county (Loudoun) as Sterling, VA. The Loudoun for Obama campaign has 4 offices in Loudoun County alone (with many more temporary hubs), as opposed to McCain's 1. We close at 9 PM, the office is always packed, and we have hundreds of volunteers that canvass every weekend. And in this picture, at 5 PM, McCain has 1 volunteer in all of Loudoun County? Shows how well organized this campaign has been... jeez
Here's my election day surprise that no one is predicting:
Obama wins Mississipi!
So is RCP ignoring Research 2000 and ARG again now? lol
To Dominic:
The machines are calibrated incorrectly so that screen positions for voting don't quite match the command. Whether this is deliberate or not is probably something the supplier can answer. But they can be corrected.
Helen and everyone else: Occam's Razor.
-All the public polls are wrong and McCain's internals are the only ones showing an accurate picture
-or-
-McCain's people are just desperately blowing smoke to keep their voters from getting discouraged and not showing up at all.
You decide.
Sean, your reporting has been absolutely priceless. It's wellbutrin for the Obama election obsessed. I liken this site to living in a ski town, like Steamboat Springs, where I used to live - you come for the winters, but you stay for the summers.
I came to this site originally for the numbers, but I stay for the great stories, especially your Pulitzer Prize quality, unmatched On the Road series. It's the best exclusive story of the election.
Also, I read your article on Clinton's concession speech and I couldn't agree with you more. She's rehabilitated herself some since then by doing the right thing, but I'm completely relieved Barack didn't pick her.
Sean Quinn - you rock and I definitely have a fangirl crush on you. Nate "Big Brain" Silver - you rock - (sorry no fangirl crush).
Everything about the McCain campaign says "tired", "old", "behind", "last war", "beffudled", "angry", "vindictive", "hateful" ... basically and totally "pwned" ('course, they wouldn't have a clue what that meant).
...like their philosophy.
" I'm wondering if this is campaign wide or if it's just this place. While it's historic and phenomenally important given the last 8 years, I can't imagine Obama asking us to risk our jobs."
I hope its campaign-wide. You more likely will be risking your job if McCain is elected. I know that McCain's federal spending freeze would put mine in danger.
btw, lots of employers have vacation and sick time in the same pot. Its called PTO or paid time off.
@ helen
I'm ACTUALLY nervous/scared, even if it's hard for you to believe people can be honest on these boards
The Strategic Vision (R) poll of PA showing Obama only up 5 is the last nail in the Obama coffin. I know, I know.... 10 of the last 16 polls of PA have shown Obama up double digits, but those are all outliers! When you consider the Bradley Effect and the vote suppression and the vote rigging and the post-Phillies hangover and the latent racism, there is no way Obama can win PA! And without PA, there is no way Obama can win the election!
Bottom line: don't be surprised if Obama's win percentage is down to 20-30% after Nate does his update this evening.
An outstanding post Nate!
wv = innap = McCain Campaign
October 31, 2008 1:59 PM
Sedi said...
"Frankly, I'm appalled at the blatant journalism that is evident in this story. It's almost as though you've gone around the country actually observing what is going on in terms of the ground game, and reported on it. Typical lefties."
No kidding. Blatant journalism at it's best.
Mc Cain rep Danny Diaz on MSNBC just said they have the best GOTV in history.
wv = encyn = insane!
Dead Cat,
Haha I like option number 2. :D
Do you guys think the youth vote is gonna show up? We're notoriously unreliable and in Florida the early voting numbers aren't great for youth so far. On the other hand, I know the HUGE GOTV effort happening here at the UofM in Ann Arbor on Tuesday so I dunno. Thought?
Eric, here is my surprize prediction: O carries MS and AZ.
Another outstanding entry.
I am in the UK and have been truly fascinated by this election and thank you all for providing the perfect mix of serious facts and intelligent humour.
It has struck me for some time that this race has been all about respective levels of "connection" and "disconnection". Obama has been all about connection - of ideas and people. McCain has been all about the opposite. Not only evidenced by failing to get the ground game going but also by focussing so much on BO. Surely it is one of the Top 5 rules of Selling that you spend as little time as possible discussing the competition?
There will be books written about this election that will be core texts in business schools for years. Hope Nate and Sean's is on that list.
Did Bush's 2004 turnout operation really run from Bush or GOP headquarters? Or was the pivotal action organized through churches and social groups?
If the latter, it's imaginable that McCain actually does have a GOTV army out there at other addresses. Ones Sean and Brett couldn't find listed in the phonebook.
(I'd say imaginable but improbable: just trying to stay alert for what we might be overlooking).
Magnificent work, by the way!
Sedi said...
"Frankly, I'm appalled at the blatant journalism that is evident in this story. It's almost as though you've gone around the country actually observing what is going on in terms of the ground game, and reported on it. Typical lefties."
Brilliant.
Andrew,
HAHAHA ok I'm genuinely laughing now. Thank you!!! :D I must have sounded very silly in the first post out of the blue like that. :D I just tend to get nervous when it's so soon!!
First!
the GOTV organized by Rove was run by the RNC with church volunteers that fanned all over the country in the last 72 hrs. This year you have zero coordination with the RNC and local party apparatus, no ground game to speak of in terms or plan and strategy (note that McCain never used all the $$$he had from the primary to build up an organization he blew it on ads against Obama). If they are robocalling they fail to understand the power of neighbor to neighbor operations which is what Obama has. The program that the McCain people have on line is risible compared to Obama's
This is Bahgdad Bob time on the GOTV and the last few days fo the campaign. The fact that they think Iowa is in danger and that is why Obama is there does not even compute---Obama went to give Iowa his love, they deserve it. They made him.
We SHOULD be worried. Obama's surge is working, but much remains to be done. Complacency is the enemy.
Please join me for the next four days in getting Obama supporters to the polls.
Remember what is at stake.
lat, I'm just glad Rove decided to work for Obama this time!!!
Helen, I think we are all nervous until the fat lady sings, but at the very least, take heart in the fact that as many people say "Why isn't he ahead by more", the real kicker is "My God, how did someone this young, this brilliant and this idealistic get there at all". I mean, seriously, think about it. To me, that is the amazing part. I am way to cynical most likely, but to me, the amazing thing is that we are way in the game and likely to win. It won't be a cakewalk, and I hope folks don't expect miracles, but understand that to have any kind of a visionary in at all is at least the guarantee of returning to what this nation is all about.
wv: desses Cease and desses worrying so much and enjoy the excitement.
@lani,
This post and the whole series is done by Sean.
No respect I tell ya!
Remember that much of any Republican GOTV effort consists of white evangelicals urging their fellow parishioners to vote for "God's Party." The evangelical "Base" will provide roughly 40% of Republican votes in this election, so we need to keep this religious "auxiliary" force in mind. It works in sort of a parallel universe to the Republican Party machine, and it costs the GOP very little.
That said, the "Base" will not be enough to deliver this election to the GOP. Will the Republicans learn from their likely upcoming defeat and decide to join the 21st Century, rather than seek to return to the 13th?
The GOP leadership continues to rely on the Rovian strategy of pandering to the worst demons of our nature: racism, bigotry, xenophobia, jingoism, and science-denying, willful ignorance. That worked in 2002 and 2004. It failed to work in 2006, and it looks as though it will fail to work in 2008. Most Americans have moved on.
Will the GOP learn its lesson? Or will it continue to keep pursuing the same disastrous political strategy and ensure its status as a political footnote for the next generation?
I expect the GOP's learning curve to coincide with the "x" axis on the graph. Anyway, here's hoping,
Katherine, I'm in CO too, in Castle Rock, and even the office there is always staffed, open late, and busy. I'm poll watching Tuesday, but have volunteered several times since they opened up the local office here. I love that CO is going blue!!!
dang, need a faster machine. pasted from end of stale thread:
Poll-wonk question: do pollsters ever use "tag and release" methods to determine population means? Not really germane to the current thread, but how much here ever is ;)
wv: prouhro: "Prouhro me another."
Nice article and thank you for making my day. I cannot wait to say "President Obama" can you?
And I cannot fully express my joy in voting for the first candidate that I completely respect and believe in. Sure, I voted Gore and I voted Kerry... but with Obama, it's more than just a vote -- it's a statement to help make change in MY COUNTRY.
It is time. And I believe that Barack Obama will lead us into a new era of unity where we all pull together to rebuild this country.
LOL read this blog post on Fox about the alleged "purge" of McCain endorsing reporters:
"It’s easy to draw the conclusion that the reporters were slighted because of unfavorable or less than glowing coverage, but to be fair, it should be noted that just today on the flight to Iowa, FOX News - hardly an Obama campaign favorite - had four coveted seats on the cramped campaign plane.
"Each news organization (yes, even the New York Times) has had their number of seats limited, meaning that if a big shot wants to swoop in to cover the end, in theory, someone will have to forego a seat."
link
I think even Fox is throwing in the towel.
Oh please, syncbox. Spare us. Obama is just another politician. Nothing he does separates himself from the rest of the pack.
I wish someone from 538 had come to where I volunteer- the most Republican county in my state, where our Democratic Congressional challenger will get approximately 42% of the vote, which will be the largest percentage for a Dem in over 50 years. I work (that is, I volunteer, as I am unpaid) around 20 hours a week for the Dems because I was fired from my job (doing baseball statistics, Nate- BASEBALL STATISTICS!) and decided that it was more important to me to help the cause than to worry about getting a job immediately. It's a bustling office (at minimum over the past six weeks, there have been eight people working, regardless of the day and time), and the Republican county headquarters are literally one block away. 538 could have done interviews with both!
Wouldda made a good story, y'all.
Great observation, Sean.
The McCain assertion re phone calls is, I believe, yet another in a now endless series of lies by the contemptibly mendacious campaign and candidate. I don't know what is funnier, their pollster asserting that the private internal polls show a close or tied race (but we don't get to see any actual numbers) or some in the media presenting that as fact. Ironically, it is to both candidates' benefit to portray the race as closer than it likely is, Obama for fear of complacency and with memory of voter suppression/stealing burned into the brain, and McCain due to the real possibility that a dispirited base will just sit it out and a 5-12 point lead in the polls will expand ala Reagan (from behind to plus 10) and Bush 1 (from up 3 to up 8) according to some polls.
That said, Rick Davis and the rest of the campaign have proved themselves to be so pathologically dishonest so many times, that I'd bring an umbrella if Rick told me it was sunny at his house.
I do not want to get complacent, but the relaxed smile from Obama as he reminded nervous Rachel Maddow "I think we're winning, Rachel" speaks volumes. This is starting to smell like a blow out, as regardless of the McCain number (38 to 47), virtually every pollster has Obama from 51 to 53.
The question now (barring major voter hacking/theft) is not whether but by how much...
The other major question is whether the right has already created the narrative that a fawning media and the "Acorn" meme created a stolen election. That is why, in the end, I think Obama needs to run up the score as much as humanly possible. If the final score is 50-48-2 and 300-238, the reich wing will foam about fraud for 4 years. If the final score is 54-44-2 and 375-163 they will be silenced. They will still hate and irrationally demonize Obama, but they will not question the legitimacy of the election.
One of the Youth Vote in FL (i was told I still am at 32 how flattering!) that has not voted yet. Our stations are now showing wait times and they are all basically over 3 hours. Even late last night at 7 pm (when it closed) the line was around the building, now this is fantastic and awesome and I will be joining them, but many of us, as explained before, want to say we voted on election day,just to say we did (first time voter here). Also the libraries are holding to hundreds if not small thousands of residents and are overwhelming, on election day when we go to our precinct it will be a much smaller so called "group". With that being said, I have gotten the "take a day off for Barack" emails. They are not "call in work and say you are sick" clearly they are asking you to take the day if you have it and can, if you don't and can't then delete.
I have an election party to go to on Tuesday (wanted to be on here) and would be a moron if I went without voting. Tomorrow is camp out day with the 3 kids to try and vote early.
lymbl-what I think I am after a few drinks.
Just for the record - No polls showed Bush or Kerry with a double digit lead in all of October. How many double digit leads have Obama had in October?
@Shawn...oops!
I usually check the author before I post.
Great job Sean. Sorry.
Oh please, syncbox. Spare us. Obama is just another politician. Nothing he does separates himself from the rest of the pack.
Obama has raised our expectations very high, higher than most presidents. If he wants to be president for 8 years instead of 4, I guarantee he's going to do a good job.
Re the published McCain comments about much higher # of calls and knocks this year (5.3M) vs 2004 (1.9M) -- the following sentences goes on to attribute the increase to improved technology. Clear code for robocalls.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that 90% of those "calls and knocks" figures are robocalls. They're using big numbers to disguise the very low quality of these voter contacts -- if one can even say a robocall is actually a "contact."
I'm feeling optimistic, but a healthy dose of concern is just prudent avoidance of "tempting fate." So as not to have to go outside, turn around, and spit, I'll spend the next few days worrying about bad weather, inexplicably low AA turnout, voter machine malfunctions and "malfunctions", 6-hour lines in D-heavy districts, crappy ballot design a la NC, and anything else that could possibly go wrong.
@ Helen
I think we all will breathe a sigh of relief on Nov. 5 ... no matter the result.
michael:
Acorn fraud = x + margin of victory
Bush just dropped another missle in Pakistan.
Boy oh boy. They'll try anything to win this election.
Whoa, you guys should see the CNN EV map. Wow. Wow. There are some pink states that well, just should not be pink. Wow.
wv: presteri=presidential mystery
Remember that McCain's "military experience" does not actually include commanding any unit larger than a flight crew. He has no talent for leadership, at all, and this is why his campaign is turning out the way it has been. It really shouldn't be a surprise.
David: "wv: redisti. I dunno. Something about the red (states) getting isti. I'm so punchy at this point" You're not just getting the subliminal messages: RED IS TIED! See? The red states will be too close to call, the purple states will be slightly Obama, the blue states will be double digits. Mine is "vatba", clearly standing for "Virginia, to be announced": as soon as Virginia is called for Obama, we will know that the game is over.
Rachel Maddow. Yes, she's someone to be proud of on the Democratic side. She, who suggested to Barack Obama that attacking only a select few such as Bush, McCain, Rumsfeld, et al and treating them as anomalies within the Republican party isn't enough - she suggested an all out attack on conservatism.
I hope someone listens to her and launches that attack on working class, heterosexual, God-fearing, gun owning people. She'll find out just how much support their side is getting from conservatives now who'll quickly turn against them if they feel demonized and threatened by the hard liberal left.
Roll out the "cling to guns and religion" meme as much as possible and see how far it goes. I dare you, Rachel.
@eric 2:42
My election day surprise Louisiana
Lani
Bush is following the Obama plan on Pakistan, which McCain opposes.
I don't see how this is anything like an October surprise.
@KIC
Eek--LA and AR??
Bush just dropped another missle in Pakistan.
Boy oh boy. They'll try anything to win this election.
To be fair, he's just doing what Obama has promised to do once he is in office.
Maybe Bush is just trying to ease the transition?
@Dominic
> My own theory is that the
> software has been set up so that
> the default position for cast
> ballots is the straight
> Republican ticket.
I saw two or three of these on TV showing how the voter puts their finger on the screen wanting Obama and the highlight goes to McCain. What I noticed was that in the cases I saw, the ballot was organized alphabetically (M before O), which is fair. Also, the voter's eyes were above the screen (which is a touch screen) and so was putting the fingertip towards the top of the Obama area and naturally rocking the finger up as they pushed. This likely caused the area touched to move upwards into the McCain area after initially highlighting Obama, making it look like the machine was 'flipping' the vote. This is the result of having the label areas be too small (too many options on one screen) and the screen too low for the voteer.
Labels on touch-screens should be very large and well-separated. This is just poor User-Interface design and possibly poor setup for screen height. In a randomly placed label set, such problems would 'flip' votes randomly, as well. I don't think there is a default voting scheme.
CNN just moved ND to toss up and AZ to lean McLame
lani, all this activity, out of the blue here days before the election, truly smacks of a sad state of how the current administration "plays" politics and has no concern for true security :(
Vinny,
You can't guarantee anything. I respect your opinion but disagree wholeheartedly. We shall see what he's made of.
Hi Helen,
So, you are in A2, too?
Well, you are better off driving down to Toledo and helping there. Washtenaw is about as locked up as they get. In my neighborhood, >50% of houses have Obama/Biden signs. Somewhere between 1-2% have McCain/Palin. (Over in the 5th Ward).
Relax. Enjoy. Make some phone calls. Or go to Ohio.
I like this particular bubble...
My guess with the huge discrepancy in VA is probably because VA has been traditionally a red state for so long there was no existing network and organizations in the state.
When I started canvassing back in May here for Obama I signed up to the McCain site also. Back then there were probably 5 or so canvassing activities every weekend in NoVA for Obama. This didn't include voter registration events which was in the dozens already. McCain had one launching location back then in Arlington.
Around September time frame, when the McCain campaign realized VA might be a problem and started investing here, they had probably 5 canvassing staging locations in NoVA every weekend. By this same time, I'd guess Obama had upwards of around 15 and there had to have been over 100 voter registration drive events happening on any given weekend.
The last GOTV email I received from the McCain campaign was last week I think. It had maybe 12 canvassing efforts listed for NoVA.
I don't know exactly to what extent the Obama expansion has happened here in NoVA but I'd say in the DISTRICT were I canvass there are at least half a dozen staging locations now.
I don't recall receiving a last GOTV email from the McCain campaign for this weekend for Virginia.
I imagine this last weekend here in norther Virginia is going to be insane. I have no clue what the head count is going to be in Northern Virginia. I'd have to guess there will be at least several thousand canvassers that will hit the streets for the final GOTV effort this weekend in NoVA. The weather will be in the 60's and sunny right up through election day which will help ensure people come out to help.
lani-bush cant go fast enough for me.
it seems like all he is good at is destruction-
Question- i heard that mccain is going to springfield IL does anyone know if that is true?
yesterday behind mccain on stage it looked like cindy was crying. i think they know they have lost
Okay, so who else has got an Obama pumpkin (Obama-lantern? Barack O'lantern?) out tonight? I tried to carve one of the sunrise logos and I'm not sure it came out well enough to be recognizable.
That may be good, since I live in a GOP-leaning district.
whide=Obama MOV
I guess it reflects their respective life experience.
McCain like all pilots thinks that wars can be won from the air (advertising/robo calls). Obama thinks more like a great general who realizes that while it helps to have air superiority real estate can only be held by ground troops.
No question in my mind who makes a better C in C.
KIC,
I love that way of looking at it! And he isn't ahead nationally by just 1 or 2 points, he's ahead by a lot! Wasn't it RFK who said that "in 40 years, we can elect an African American to the White House"? It's been 40 years!!! And it really really might happen!! :D
The Mule rides back into town carrying a new load for big John, eh?
Listen, can you at least clear up one thing? Are all the "Mule Rider" posts the same guy or was that other dude an imposter?
For all of you who are interested in where you align vs. the candidates check out this site!
Without even trying, I line up almost perfectly with Barack Obama.
There have been some imposters of me.
"she suggested an all out attack on conservatism.
I hope someone listens to her and launches that attack on working class, heterosexual, God-fearing, gun owning people. "
What does conservatism have to do with working class, heterosexual, God-fearing, or gun-owning?
Nothing, of course. Its only in your delusional mind, mule.
@sfergus, andrew and kic...
Good points about Bush carrying out Obama plan, yet as kic said, why now. This is the second strike in less than a week before the election.
He is trying to instigate an attack to sway voters to vote for McCain out of fear.
Listen to my Hype,
Haha that definitely makes sense. I'm out of college 1 year and I went to a really politically active one, so it's hard for me to know what's going on on campuses . . . but I'm forgetting that a) the youth vote is way more than just college kids and b) voting is sometimes easier on election day! Not to mention college kids procrastinate LOL. :) :)
Research 2000 North Dakota
M: 47
O: 46
Here's the most serious mark against Liddy Dole...
She was Secty of Trans under Reagan and helped scrap Carter's plan for mandatory air bags to be in cars by the mid 80's. She and Reagan bowed to the auto companies.
Got pushed back to the 90's... 10 years and thousands of good Americans being maimed and killed in auto accidents, unnecessarily. Father's and mother's who could then not support their families - which destroys a family's future - sons and daughters cut down in their youth...killed or permanently disabled.
That's Dole, that's Reagan, that's Republicanism.
No Regulation, Fiscal and Tax policies that always favor the wealthy. Decades of shiting on Joe the Plumber and his friends.
BURY THEM. THEY RUIN LIFE IN AMERICA.
www.barackobama.com
(make calls for the next 4 days)
@markymark
No to your question on absentee ballots. It is definitely true that, in the past, they have heavily favored the GOP.
However, much of the early voting going on now is by absentee ballot. 31 states now have some form of early voting, and much of that is from 'no excuse' absentee ballot. What that means is that you can vote absentee without providing a reason why you cannot vote on Tuesday.
Surprisingly, in my very liberal state of MA, we don't have this. One can vote absentee, but there's a specific list of reasons that qualify for it.
So, no, traditional voting patterns of all types have changed this time around.
markymark:
Here is the bit I don't get anbout all of this, does John McCain not know how to run for President? Does he not have a campaign team that can organise a ground game? I know Obama has organised the best ground game ever, but McCain hasn't organised any kind of ground game AT ALL.
Here is my theory. I'm beginning to suspect that for at least the past two elections, and maybe that past four or so, the vast majority of the Republican volunteer base has been turned out by the religious right, and the rest of the campaign workers have been paid. (Until 2006, it was always true that the Democrats had more volunteers and the Republicans had more money.) Those "72-hour" professionals we've heard so much about (including the article Sean cited) parachute in at that point because there's already an army of volunteers, and they just have to direct them.
Because the GOP has gotten accustomed to depending on this, and depending on paid and automated methods to collect information on voters earlier in the campaign, they have completely forgotten how to recruit and maintain a volunteer base. They don't have the money to pay the "seed" of the ground game personnel, and their entire election operation that has been so powerful was entirely dependent on those two things.
That's the only explanation I can think of that seems to fit the facts. McCain's campaign staff are experienced, and although some of them are evil, they're not stupid. I think they're craftsmen who are well-trained in the use of their tools, but were completely unprepared for the lack of the usual raw materials.
ABC/WaPo tracking poll
O: 53
M: 44
O +1
I wish there were some imposturs of me- you lucky thing.
Nice news on the ABC poll. I think there is enough evidence now that says the 30 min ad caused a definite bounce.
All this openness in the Obama/Biden campaign. You have to wonder if Karl Rove and his ilk aren't sitting at home right now trying to figure out how they can infiltrate and use this in 2012?
Such as gain access to a prioritized by likelihood voter list and use it to direct an attack on the weaker parts of it?
lani-
Exactly. FEAR FEAR. That is how they have won the last two elections. But it particularly concerns me after listening to the author of The Dark Side. It is literally terrifying how Bush and Cheney have been disseminating the "information" they get and how they get it. I *trust* that Obama would get better info and that his actions would therefore be supported. I fear that Bush just "does things" to look like something is getting done.
>> you win on the ground, not from the air. A military man should know that. Oh, he was a pilot...
Bingo!
Andrew, Haha yes!! Most definitely.
JM is my Love Child,
The Obama campaign has already sent a bunch of people out of state -- almost all of the organizing people are gone to Ohio, Florida etc and some of the volunteers, too. They still want us to stay here, though, and GOTV -- believe me, we asked if they'd rather we drive out. We're trusting the campaign. :)
In good news, 98% of eligible people in MI are registered to vote!!! :D :D :D So proud lol.
lani: If Bush is carrying out Obama's plans, why not keep Bush in for a third term?
"Nice news on the ABC poll. I think there is enough evidence now that says the 30 min ad caused a definite bounce."
I don't. I'd generally like to see trackers move more than a point for a candidate before I even acknowledge the movement.
Lindsay:
McCain's ought to be kicking himself right now for accepting the public funds, which drastically limited his ability to run ads and get-out-the-vote operations that could have helped him.
I don't think that's right. It assumes that without the restrictions, McCain could have raised money competitive with Obama. But Republicans and especially McCain are much more dependent on big-money donors, and it wouldn't have just magically happened; Obama (and Howard Dean) built this thing. Presumably McCain didn't believe he could raise significantly more than the $83 million he got, and he's probably right.
I don't think public financing imposes significant restrictions on GOTV spending (that's definitely not the reason for his lack of GOTV), and I doubt McCain has actually been hampered by the ad spending limits.
If he hadn't taken public financing, he would have been spending a lot more time at fundraisers (because he doesn't have the small-donor base) and he still wouldn't have had nearly as much money as Obama.
Also, for those of you worried about the machines (and that's a legit area of concern), here's a Q&A from today that may offer either re-assurance, or at least tell you wnat to do if you suspect anything untoward is going on:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/10/29/DI2008102903392.html?hpid=topnews
I don't know but it sounds to me like the McCain volunteer office staff has been off-shored, out-sourced and automated out of their jobs. You can probably find all their staff at the local unemployment office. ;-)
"Remember that McCain's "military experience" does not actually include commanding any unit larger than a flight crew."
Actually he did command a training squadron in 1976. But all of his talk about being tested is amusing... and wrong.
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