10.26.2008

538 on The Colbert Report

The polling thread, regrettably, is going to be out fairly late tonight, so let me buy time by taking the long overdue step of posting a video of my interview on The Colbert Report, which occurred two weeks ago.

330 comments

PA John said...

LOL The PeteKent sock puppet now has his own in-depth blog:

Attack on Syria
Expect the polls to have a McCain SURGE, libs. ;)

Palin worship
Let us take a moment to honor our Goddess Palin I.

The Palin Scripture
Allow me to read you a segment of the Palin scripture:

Bristol 12:16-17
"If thou art with child, you shalt bear the child without delay, not mattering if it hurts your money, feelings, or life. If you refuse to bear your child, thou shalt invoke the wrath of the Goddess Palin."

That's the entire blog... figured I would save everyone the trouble LOL

Real Joe said...

honoredb said...
I wonder if we'll see an influx of non-troll McCain supporters. Only a week left to earn that t-shirt!


i'm here

McCain supporter

Genevieve said...

Arizona DailyStar:

A statewide poll taken by Tucson-based Democratic pollsters Carol and Pete Zimmerman two weeks out from the election suggests McCain's lead over Obama falls within the margin of error: 43.5 percent to 41.5 percent, with 10 percent of likely Arizona voters undecided.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/264209

MysticLaker said...

@dcm

downs baby's hold a lot of weight as infants.

JJ said...

Howard said...

photo ops with big crowds ...


Hey Obama is bad becasue hes popularand can draw huge crowds.

Unlike McPalin that were bragging about drawing crowds of 10,000 a month ago and were consistently overstating the numbers of people in the aforementioned crowds

DCM in FL said...

WESLEY

IF I tell you where I left my hammer, would you pick it up & smash your thumb with it ?

guess I better lock the gun up...

lol, I mean it IS Dickie Morris

[gotta admit I look at Rove's map from time to time, but only for a laff at how his 'electoral majority' has evaporated already]

Meg said...

I <3 Nate Silver.

Wesley said...

Can someone post the internals (if there are any) for the latest AZ poll? I can't find them.

MysticLaker said...

@wes

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/264209

OTF said...

The Nashua Telegraph's Kevin Landrigan reported today that McCain campaign are reducing their ad buy on WMUR, the state's lone broadcast TV station:

Whatever spin the McCain campaign puts on it, the numbers spoke for themselves last week.

• Oct. 16: The McCain camp buys $111,540 in advertising to air from Oct. 17-Oct. 26.

• Oct. 21: The McCain camp amends the same buy to $110,190 for ads, but those were to run Oct. 17-Nov. 3.

OTF said...

jj,

Notice when McCain defends the Palin selection he always says she is the most popular governor. Wasn't being popular a bad thing to him in July/Aug with his celebrity ads against Obama?

Wesley said...

DCM

Yeah, it was good for a larf. Which drawer did you say the hammer was in?

My favorite line of Dick's: "States that should have been definite for McCain but were on the verge of straying — Texas, Indiana, South Carolina, Georgia, and Kentucky — returned to the McCain column."

Stunning analysis! I also love how Arkansas leans Obama. I feel like I'm looking through a window into another dimension.

Troy said...

I'm trying not to feed the troll, but just reminding everyone the the line about winning without a vote being cast is BS. Yes, people talked about Obama having won the primary before all the states (and the 7 non-state primaries) had voted. Yes, not all votes had been cast, but at that point, a lot of real votes had been cast.

fred said...

Dick Morris is whipshit insane. His stuff makes no sense. Is he on some something or just fruit loops? Does he does this just to be different?

DCM in FL said...

WESLEY

Rove's map & commentary is actually pretty much in line with the consensus.

guess he is going through the stages of grief faster than many other GOPers...

@ http://www.rove.com/election

my word is 'nopolit'

IL_Grimacѐ said...

"The Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit is heading to the US Supreme Court."

Micheal, the reason why it is going to the Supreme Court so quickly is because the defense is attacking something foundational to even bringing the suit at all. Because it's clearly a junk law suit I haven't followed it that closely, but I would imagine that the plaintiff's standing is at issue. There's definitely no way that substantial issues of fact have been tried so the case has been dismissed, either during summary judgment or because the plaintiff lacks standing. The plaintiff is now appealing.

Summary judgment is the stage where the court would decide that there are no genuine issues of material fact. Basically the evidence doesn't meet a minimum threshold whereby any reasonable jury could decide in the plaintiff's favor. Standing here would essentially be even if everything the plaintiff says is true they haven't been harmed in anyway. Basically that the plaintiff hasn't been damaged or had any legally protected rights violated.

When a man in California sued McCain, alleging the same thing that plaintiff alleges in this suit that McCain was born on a military base outside this country therefore is not natural born, the suit was dismissed because the man lacked standing. His rights were in no way violated nor is somehow damaged by McCain being able to run for president. Yes, I know, I can already see objections to this, but it is sound law nonetheless that I am not directly harmed by who is and is not allowed to run for office. The court held, quite properly, that the only one who could challenge McCain's status is Obama. I can't imagine that the supreme court would decide differently here. I know they are conservative but the majority of them aren't THAT partisan. Scalia may be many things but he is not irrational, and even he would see that the plaintiff's do not have standing here.

All of that about standing said, it also may very well be that standing wasn't challenged and that the plaintiff's 'evidence' is pure crap. It's also possible that some sort of tangential federal question was raised and that's why it is going to the supreme court. Bottom line is that there is no way that the merits of the actual suit are in dispute yet and thus this has no real ability to effect the outcome. You absolutely do not need to worry about this.

sfergus483 said...

As I said 2 weeks ago, Rove and Morris pushed states into the Obama column for one reason:

so they could take them back as "proof" that McCain is coming back.

It was obvious then, it is being proven now.

Wesley said...

UGH. Hardly internals. Interesting (perhaps unbelievable) tidbit: "Surprisingly, the poll also found that Obama was leading slightly among surveyed voters over 65 years of age, while McCain led among voters 45 and under. And Obama leads narrowly among independents."

markymark said...

I wonder if Rove isn't a bad place to get an accurate prediction of what might happen actually. I would imagine he has enough contacts still to get a look at internal polling.

And also interesting that even on Rove's map he has all but 1 of the toss ups with an Obama lead.

Buckeye said...

re: black radio stations
Why waste your money preaching to the choir. Is Obama going to gain or lose any voters by doing that?
-----------------------------------
Preaching to the choir???? If you can use black media and benefitting from it but you think you don't have to pay for it eventually it will come back on you. You already have many blacks calling in and saying is this (ignoring paying for black media but will use it) just an early showing of how he will do once he is in office? Ignoring blacks until election time. It wont matter now because most are caught up in the idea of having a black president, however if the problem is smooth out it will comeback to bite him. People comment how the enthusiasm is so high for blacks because he is black. Well most people are harder on their own and if this constiuency feels slighter and ignored in 2012 the enthusiasm will disappear. In Toledo we had a similar situation. We elected our first black mayor in 2004, however, once he got in office the community was ignored and guess what happened? The community ended up splitting their vote and now the first black mayor ir the former black mayor.

DCM in FL said...

SFERGUS

I tended to agree with you several weeks ago, and certainly Rasmussen is doing a dance with his electoral map - by holding as many as possible in the tossup & DEM leaning categories to justify a horse race...

but their time is slipping away
too fast to make a case for a comeback IMHO

especially as early voting is underway in many states...

ugh - my word is 'mucesse'

Aunt Karen said...

For a little background, of the On the Road series type, I watched this yesterday:

http://online.wsj.com/video/the-legacy-of-the-mccain-name/14167AA7-92C8-49FD-96FF-6851A7F08276.html

Interesting stuff, and just sort of fleshes some things out.

sperricar said...

Those Arizona polls are amazing.
And if the dems had had their convention in Phoenix instead of Denver... That would have been a maverick trick!

Wesley said...

The dough boy's (Rove) map lazily mirrors RCP's mediocre map. *sigh* I'm glad this site exists. That is all.

MysticLaker said...

I actually think RAS is doing the right thing. He uses a conservative model (note the minimal flucuation we've seen for 30 days). It has a lot of value I think.

mizack2 said...

tick tock, mccain!

JJ said...

OTF said...

jj,

Notice when McCain defends the Palin selection he always says she is the most popular governor. Wasn't being popular a bad thing to him in July/Aug with his celebrity ads against Obama?


Nice point. and the irony of them laughing at Paris Hilton style celebrity in those ads and then bringing up their own version of her onto the VP position is delicious...

Wesley said...

Doesn't Rasmussen use Nate's regressions to fill in for unpolled states?

MrInsight22 said...

Both Arizona polls were by Democratic-affiliated pollsters so they are about as valuable as Zogby interactive numbers.

In 1972, McGovern's crowds were way bigger than Nixon's but Nixon's silent majority crushed McGovern in 49 states. BTW, I had dinner with McGovern back in the 1980's when I was in law school and he is a very nice man.

Rupert Doobe said...

West Virginia would probably go blue if Obama held a couple of rallies here. Its a labor state and is reliably blue for just about everything but president. Not that I am asking Obama to come--even though I would be thrilled if WV went blue. His energies are probably best put where his coattails will help shift the senate.
I am born and raised WV, a future dead white male whose ancestors go back in this state a very long time. I am a proud hillbilly but who now has to work and live out of state. I am a flaming liberal who was last excited about a presidential race when Mcgovern ran. It has been long, long lonng time since politics were moving in a direction that moved me. As far as I am concerned this wasn't due to the South or poor rural states, they are too small to make a big difference, It was due to very rich political manipulators many of whom were raised and educated in places like Connecticut and Chicago. This does not make me castigate rich people or urban midwesterners. Listen we are all in this together. Even in hell that was the last two elections millions and millions of southerners, poor people and rural people voted democrat and millions of rich urban people from the coasts voted Republican. Everytime you purvey a stereotype it will cost you. Obama knows this very well. We should learn from his sense of politics.

Gerbie said...

Has this endorsement been mentioned before?

Obama is the better choice

Pretty significant in the current economic environment I'd say.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

Guys and Gals.

Is there any way we can all put some pressure on Nate to maybe make a final week Super Tracker separate from the regular super trackers.

I'd really like to see which way the momentum is going in the final week but its almost impossible with the current tracker.

If anyone that frequents here has any influence on Nate and gang I really think that would be another great feature for the final week.

MrInsight22 said...

The Puerto Rican born commenter above can be President as PR is American territorial soil making him/her a natural born citizen.

The more interesting BO citizenship issue is not his birthplace but rather the fact that he became an Indonesian citizen as a child and there is no evidence he ever did the necessary procedures to get his US citizenship back after returning to the US. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship back then. Also, Barack traveled on an Indonesian passport in 1981 or so.

DCM in FL said...

MYSTIC

a conservative model is fine if that was how Scott R modeled his polling

but his hyper-partisan 'Evangelical Conservative' influenced model using IVR & small state samples with no cellphones & 2004 voter trends & unknown 'LV' screen is another matter IMHO

watch as he tries to refine it in the next week to appear not to have been applying such a biased 'house effect' after 11/4

still, his results are at least pretty consistent - as opposed to that MAGNETIC John Zogby's screwball #'s

or IBD-TIPP's results with 70/30 young voters for Mac

obsessed said...

Georgia Senate Runoff?

I was reading that:

1) the GA senate race has a significant libertarian component

2) GA law stipulates that if no candidate exceeds 50%, a runoff must be held between the two top vote-getters

Troy said...

@buckeye
Your warning regarding a possible backlash agains Obama is somewhat reasonable. But the backlash, if it comes, probably won't be becuase he didn't advertize on those radio stations.

My comment is from my experience listening to a more liberal radio station. All pro-Obama, really helps to keep the listeners enthused and excited. Very helpful for Obama. But I've never heard an advertizement for him. It would be a waste to do that because everyone is already voting for him.

SHERWICK said...

From the end of the FT endorsement that gerbie posted:

Rest assured that, should he win, Mr Obama is bound to disappoint. How could he not? He is expected to heal the country’s racial divisions, reverse the trend of rising inequality, improve middle-class living standards, cut almost everybody’s taxes, transform the image of the United States abroad, end the losses in Iraq, deal with the mess in Afghanistan and much more besides.

Succeeding in those endeavours would require more than uplifting oratory and presidential deportment even if the economy were growing rapidly, which it will not be.

The challenges facing the next president will be extraordinary. We hesitate to wish it on anyone, but we hope that Mr Obama gets the job.

MrInsight22 said...

The Berg lawsuit was thrown out on the grounds of lack of standing and was not addressed on the merits.

The Philly district judge ruled that individual voters have no standing to require a Presidential candidate to show proof he is eligible to be President -- begging the question of who would have standing to do so.

There is no mechanism currently in place for a candidate's constitutional qualifications (at least 35 years old and a natural born citizen -- meaning a citizen at the moment of birth either because born on American soil or because born abroad of two American parents) to be legally confirmed.

Troy said...

MrInsight,
just because the AZ pollster is partisan doesn't mean the poll is bad. Nate chrunches several partisan pollsters. He just rates them appropriately. The Interactive polls are crap because they use crappy methodology.

Real Joe said...

only citizenship Obama has is American

he has never obtained or received any other nationality

mrinsight22 is another nut

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

troy, I hear Obama commercials on the local right wing radio station.

Ed M. said...

The more interesting BO citizenship issue is not his birthplace but rather the fact that he became an Indonesian citizen as a child and there is no evidence he ever did the necessary procedures to get his US citizenship back after returning to the US. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship back then.

That's total bullshit and it's nearly impossible to lose your U.S. citizenship anyway. A child can't do it no matter what.

pygmy_owl said...

Frankly, I think Obama has a stronger chance of picking up Arizona than West Virginia; but what do I know?

JJ said...

MrInsight22 said...
The more interesting BO citizenship issue is not his birthplace but rather the fact that he became an Indonesian citizen as a child and there is no evidence he ever did the necessary procedures to get his US citizenship back...


Even IF true, there is one piece of cast iron evidence. There is strong evidence he has ran for public office.You have to be a US citizen to do so, and I Believe you provide documentation to that effect. Regardless hey do a background check.

MysticLaker said...

http://abcnews.go.com/pollingunit

52-45 M+1

last nights internals:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_102608.html

Antmatic said...

ABC Wash Post
O-52
M-45

Obama has com a bit off of his peak in this poll, but a 7 point lead is still great.

Troy said...

liberal,
That's great! I'm not hearing any McCain adds in WI. Personally, Obama probably has a better chance of picking up votes there than McCain would here.

Wait, Senator McCain, forget I said that. Please advertize on my radio station. please, please, please!

SHERWICK said...

Breaking News: 25% of Americans do not have their orignal birth cerificates and therefore may have been born in Kenya!!! The Kenyan Government is going to issue a statement soon on possible forced repatriation of 25% of the US population next year!!!

Aunt Karen said...

@rupert

My mother (long since deceased) was from West by God, too. I have a lot of family there, still (Lumberport area). Actually, my mother was an Elkins, and yes, the same family. It's a beautiful state, in many places, and doesn't deserve the hate often heaped on it.

While my relatives there and I don't always see eye-to-eye, I'll give them this - they are intelligent, and really about the kindest and gentlest people I've ever come across. I've got every confidence that they'll make a good decision this time around.

PA John said...


mrinsight22 is another nut


Once again MrInsight22 offers absolutely no insight.

sfergus483 said...

ABC tracking out; 52-45; was 53-44 yesterday - some combination of slight McCain uptick yesterday and/or strong Obama day dropping out.

Andrew said...

Great interview. You are definitely a U of C alum. I love you website, check it constantly.

Troy said...

jj,

You don't have to be a citizen for all elected positions. Just ask Arnold.

elliv said...

Howard,
Yes it's really unfair and ugly of Obama to doing rallies, fundraising, running tv-ads etc. I heard rumors of Obama even trying to win the election. The nerve!

Ed M. said...

You don't have to be a citizen for all elected positions. Just ask Arnold.

Uh, yeah you do. Ask Arnold.

SHERWICK said...

Great photo posted ealier by another poster:
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/bump.jpg

Real Joe said...

troy

Arnold is a naturalized president

he can't be president/vice president because of that

Real Joe said...

typo !

naturalized citizen

Wesley said...

You mean citizen.

FreeThinker said...

Way off topic here, but a friend posted a realtor's view of the Origins of the Mortgage Banking Crisis. If you are interested you can find it here http://activerain.com/blogs/jerryrolling . Yet another story of how the K Street Project generated private profits at public expense. The outright thuggery is astounding.

markymark said...

The case against divided government:

Recently some people seem to have suggested that maybe it would be better if America returmed divided government to Washington. The FT endorsment that gerbie posted suggests that the US has a better record when it has divided government. Historically I find that a very difficult statement to back up.

The indecision, power brokering and partisan blame game that exists during divided government is one of the reasons for gridlock that so paralyses American government. Take the battle over the League of Nations charter and the Treaty of Versailles after WW1. Republicans, lead famopusly by Henry Cabot Lodge, took umbrage with the Treaty, as much as anything else because it was negotiated by Woodrow Wilson. There was no attempt to reach reasoned consensus on either side (I am laying as much blame at the Democrats door at this point.)

On the opposite side we can find plenty of moments in US history when divided government would have made political achievements far more difficult. Take the New Deal, FDR would not have been able to take such swift decisive action without the aid of the Congress.

And you think a Congressional majority makes governing straightforward? Bill Clinton had 58 Senators to keep him company in the first two years of his Presidency, but failed to achieve a substantial legislative achievement, indeed had more success legislating, you could argue, once the Republicans took control of Congress.

So do not fret if Obama is elected alongside a substantial democratic majority. He is a good guy and won't overreach, but these are serious times that need solutions, not partisan fights and confusion.

GregM said...

Speaking of WV, does anyone know if Sen. Byrd has endorsed Obama yet?

JJ said...

Troy said...

jj,

You don't have to be a citizen for all elected positions. Just ask Arnold.


Arnold is a US citizen and is entitled to run for public office. Obama has the added qualification of being a natural Born US citizen and has been resident in the country for 14 years and over, and is therefore entitled to run for president. Arnold would not be able to under present rules.

SHERWICK said...

Byrd was at an Obama campaign rally last week so I assume he's endorsed him!

markymark said...

gregm

I believe Byrd endorsed Obama during the primary season.

SHERWICK said...

Pictures of the Denver Obama rally with 100k people can be found here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/26/obama-draws-100000-at-den_n_137951.html

Real Joe said...

Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm is also a naturalized American

she can be Governor but she can't be president

because she was born in Canada she has Canadian citizenship

i don't know if she has denounce her Canadian citizenship or she is a duel citizen

Aunt Karen said...

#gregm

here you go:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/sen-robert-byrd.html

PorridgeGun said...

Again, I find it disturbing that McCain gains ANYTHING in these national polls. Everything we've seen in the last few days would lead one to expect him to drop below 40%. It seems that whenever "distractions" dominate the news cycles, McCain gains. It doesn't matter if it's somewhat negative either way - He seems to benefit.

My expectations and respect for the American voter, at least in these polls, is rock bottom at this point.

Real Joe said...

sherwick said...
Byrd was at an Obama campaign rally last week so I assume he's endorsed him!


he endorsed him in the primary

Bob X said...

Josh said...
"The whole birth certificate thing is hilarious. I bet a LOT of people don't have their original birth certificate. I don't. I mean... What a ridiculous criteria. Does McCain have his original birth certificate? "
No. The original records from the Canal Zone are now in a public archive, and it's already been searched: the original records of McCain's birth have been lost or destroyed. Not surprising, but very ironic.

Real Joe said...



Financial Times endorses Obama

newsinOH said...

Bill Richardson is doing 7 stops across mostly northern Ohio this week. Obama will be in Canton tomorrow. I was half tempted to go to the Canton "show" since it's not that far away but figured it will be a full day event, getting through the traffic, walking the 3 miles to near the venue from the place they make me leave the car, then being only about a mile away from the platform anyway!

Still, it's good to see them locking down northern Ohio and pushing yet again for early voting.

Aunt Karen said...

In general, I have to apologize for my typos these days. I spit wine all over my keyboard while laughing at some political satire or other on Friday, and I have sticky keys.

Sadly, I can't afford a new one for some time to come, so this is just blanket apology.

markymark said...

From Senator Byrd's wiki page

'On May 19, 2008, Byrd released a statement endorsing Barack Obama (D-Illinois) for President of the United States. One week after the West Virginia Democratic Primary, in which Hillary Clinton defeated Obama by 41.32%,[51] Byrd said, "Barack Obama is a noble-hearted patriot and humble Christian, and he has my full faith and support."[52] In a written statement, Byrd called Obama "a shining young statesman, who possesses the personal temperament and courage necessary to extricate our country from this costly misadventure in Iraq."'

Dr. Matt said...

We already know that Al Qaeda is endorsing John McGrampa (R-AZ). Ouch.

Dr. Matt said...

Ashley Todd (R) is endorsing John McGrampa (R-AZ) too.

SHERWICK said...

When I think of John McCain, I always have the following image in my mind:

OLD MAN SHOUTS AT CLOUD!

Where did it come from?

GregM said...

Thanks, all!

Real Joe said...

dr. matt said...
Ashley Todd (R) is endorsing John McGrampa (R-AZ) too.


LOL

newsinOH said...

Those pics of Denver are just crazy!

As are the pics of about any of his rallies, actually. Fantastic to see that kind of support.

Now if they all vote . . .

Buffalo Wing Conspiricist said...

yawn. fake pete[r]kent as he's a HRC fan, he'd never want to endorse a theocrat, now...

Syria? please... = a botched border skirmish, 5 stories down on Reuters besides how does that help a weak Repub with a population SICK to death of war?

Obama birth cert? pff.. fail >>

nice try trollies

next...

M $0
P $150k

PALIN SPLURGE!!!

NotYourBlog said...

I'm a noob and I'm sure this is going to come across as 'concern trolling', but you guys are generally so level-headed and I can't help myself:

Please tell me why I shouldn't be worried about Obama standing up, exposed in a crowd of 100k people. I'm sure this is based on my own ignorance of the security procedures, but man.

kittles93 said...

Call me crazy, but any 'undecided' voters in Arizona are likely Obama supporters who don't want to say it to a pollster in fear of sounding ungrateful to McCain for his service to the state.

Aunt Karen said...

@dr. matt

I'd sure hope so. She's a paid employee of his (or was, wouldn't surprise me if she's lost her job now).

mlf said...

That was a great segment on Colbert. You really cracked him up several times. Sharp! I'm so glad that you will be continuing with this site; I am completely addicted (and I'm not so much interested in baseball, sadly).

newsinOH said...

"But at Northern Iowa University here, Obama was the recipient of tough criticism from McCain's warm-up act, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). Graham accused Obama "of making a joke of our political system," by raising $600 million "from God knows who" to finance his campaign."

Hey, Lindsey, I'm one of those "God knows who"s!!! Yeah, look over here, it's us "little people" that you're talking about.

kittles93 said...

PA Morning Call

O 53
M 40 (-1)

Out early due to Phillies game. Go Phils!

DanP said...

Regarding the ABC New tracker, could just be statistical noise.

Otherwise, one would expect some tightening in the last week because, as Obama says, "that is what these things do..."

Incredibly, however, Rasmussen continues to be at +8 and in Gallup Obama actually went up +1 in the expanded LV model.

Looking more and more to me like and landslide with big seismic numbers. The surprises on election night may be places like Georgia...

Real Joe said...

kittles93 said...
PA Morning Call

O 53
M 40 (-1)


McCain SURGE !!

Real Joe said...

notyourblog said...
I'm a noob and I'm sure this is going to come across as 'concern trolling', but you guys are generally so level-headed and I can't help myself:

Please tell me why I shouldn't be worried about Obama standing up, exposed in a crowd of 100k people. I'm sure this is based on my own ignorance of the security procedures, but man.


no need to worry

SHERWICK said...

Almost under 200 hours left to election day!

newsinOH said...

Since I'm working the polls, I'm probably going to miss them calling the election live!!!

I figure I've got to DVR several stations so I can watch them into the wee hours of the morning. Definitely MSNBC, possibly Faux (I just don't know that I have the stomach to watch it under even the best of circumstances). Any suggestions as to other stations that might provide interesting commentary??

One$Earned said...

notyourblog said....Please tell me why I shouldn't be worried about Obama standing up, exposed in a crowd of 100k people. I'm sure this is based on my own ignorance of the security procedures, but man.

It's always a concern, but if Obama
is not concerned then we trust that
the necessary security measures are
all in place. If Barack is elected
president, that concern of some
crazed lunatic that would like to
cause harm to him will always be
present. That concern exists for
every president unfortunately but
with Barack, the concern is
heighten for obvious reasons.

He can't be govern in a cocoon.

Bob X said...

"There is no mechanism currently in place for a candidate's constitutional qualifications ... to be legally confirmed."
The issue of what electoral votes are valid is, constitutionally, up to the Joint Session of Congress to decide. The courts do not, as a matter of "separation of powers" doctrine, decide issues which are entrusted to another branch (yet one more reason why the Berg suit was hopeless).
In McCain's case, when the question of whether being born in the Canal Zone counts (there were some tricky technicalities: the Zone was never a "territory" as some sites inaccurately put it, but a "leasehold"; Panama theoretically retained "sovereignty" over it all the time, and children born to Panamanians living there did not become US citizens), the Senate passed a resolution that McCain is included in the definition of "natural born citizen". If the House joins in that resolution, or just receives the electoral votes for him without contest, that is conclusive.

Similarly in Obama's case. If the wingnuts really think there is an issue there, they have to raise it with their Congressmen (the procedural rule is that one Representative and one Senator is sufficient to raise an objection to the reception of electoral votes).

MysticLaker said...

@sherwick!

i love that stat.

Dominic said...

If Arizona is so close, why won't Obama campaign there? Is there some kind of bogus courtesy thing where candidates don't campaign in each other's home state?... as if Obama owes McCain even the slightest shred of courtesy at this point?

Real Joe said...



Obama to give 'closing argument' during Monday speech

Dave Brodbeck said...

A student of mine (for those of you that don't know, I am a psych prof, and I teach stats, which makes this site extra fun for me) just emailed me and asked about his mark on a test. He is a really bright guy, but always thinks that he has screwed up assignments. I had typed 'stop being such a concern troll' I realized before I sent the message that he would not know what that meant....

I may be reading fivethirtyeight.com a bit too much...

newsinOH said...

Obama to give 'closing argument' during Monday speech

Damn, now that makes me want to go to the Obama rally in Canton . . .

SCIndie said...

Numbers updated, Obama up to 96.7%

slicknickshady said...

I can live with that ABC poll.

mizack2 said...

notyourblog said....Please tell me why I shouldn't be worried about Obama standing up, exposed in a crowd of 100k people. I'm sure this is based on my own ignorance of the security procedures, but man.










I've been to an obama rally... There were snipers for atleast a mile surrounding the area from rooftops to windows. It was awesome.

markymark said...

I can just imagine the irony of Obama's electoral victory being challenged, neither of George W Bush's having been challenged. Would be the most shameful day ever in the Republican Party.

DanP said...

Ooops! I meant to leave a nice little piece by Gallup looking at how campaigns typically tighten in the last couple of weeks-- and this one which really hasn't.

Which election does this one look most like? Interesting statistical exercise and discussion. To me it looks most like Clinton vs. Dole in 1996

Nate: crunch some numbers for us on this issue in your ever-expanding free time.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/Gallup-Presidential-Election-TrialHeat-Trends-19362004.aspx

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The 1 McCain landslide scenario disappearing is GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!1!!!.

MysticLaker said...

1988..

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/Gallup-Presidential-Election-TrialHeat-Trends-19362004.aspx#2

1976 has a ford surge...we haven't seen a hint of that yet.

SHERWICK said...

i thought there were 2 mccain landslide possibilities?

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For the masochists out there, here's the link to a Mc page containing videos submitted by "real JTP"s.

http://www.johnmccain.com/content/default.aspx?guid=8b14b7cf-bf1f-4c3f-8ee3-dc6b68912742


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SHERWICK said...

interesting that Nate's stats show that even if Obama loses OH and Fl that he still wins the election 75% of the time...

MysticLaker said...

I guess they are not following Nate's strategy.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/palin_plans_pennsylvania_tour.php

PorDem said...

The evidence these GOP posters cite are incredible.

The polls maybe have shown tiny movement towards McCain today, but what weekend has that NOT happened? His average is actually higher this sunday than last sunday.

The race is not tightening. If McCain can be happy going down from 8.2 to 8 then by all means, but reality it setting in with the states. Obama has Kerry + IA,NM,CO and perhaps now even VA and NV.

Where does the map show McCain closing? He has closed up perhaps MO and WV.

MysticLaker said...

I can't wait to see the Battle of PA next week!!! This is great news for John McCain.

markymark said...

I think that in a way this is quite like 1980 in reverse. I think that any movement that happens late might well be for Obama, but 1996 is a good shout, I remember the polls being fairly stable that year to.

I'd be fascinated if it was possible to draw any parallels between this election and the 1932 elction. (Though I believe its right that Polling hadn't started by then).

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brian said...
The 1 McCain landslide scenario disappearing is GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!1!!!.



?????????

newsinOH said...

Oooof--Mc win percentage down to 3.3

That's the lowest yet, no?

newsinOH said...

mysticlaker:

The Ambinder article says:

Pennsylvania will see a lot of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin next week.

Given the size of the rallies, though, Pennsylvanians won't see a lot of Mc/P next week . . .

markymark said...

Those Gallup charts are fascinating. If I had to pick a best fit comparrison to this year I would go for 1940 actually. FDR opens out significant lead in September that Wilkie never really closed, and a late tick up in polling for Wilkie proved a false dawn as FDR won easily.


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DanP said...

I still think Obama takes Missouri, Indiana, Florida, North Carolina, Montana and even North Dakota. Indiana may be very close though.

O: 381 vs. M: 157

Big question for me is Georgia. I think it is closer than the data even show. Democracy Corps may have called it best.

Just opinions, but I get to have them.

Does Rasmussen include cell phone only? If not, then the closing speech could bring Georgia into play. If Georgia goes down, political tsunami. Eight on the Richter scale.

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Nate - Love your work, but your prediction on jetpacks might be a bit pessimistic. You can put down a deposit now. Go to martinjetpack.com for look. It's a real think. I've flown it.

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Jay said...

Just wanted to compliment you on the "Seattle Pilots" line. Colbert doesn't crack up often and you managed it with that one. Good work!

Lindsay said...

theblahgirl, I'll fight you for Nate's hand in marriage. There's nothing sexier than an inordinate love for accurate polling and an appearance on the Colbert Report.

Catrina said...

Nate, you looked like you had a halo. The globe behind your head seemed to give off a glow.

Charlie said...

Nice. What happened at 4:36-4:39 though?

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