9.30.2008

The Tongue Jut

Last night on The Colbert Report, Dr. Stephen T. Colbert (DFA) noted that John McCain was doing something peculiar with his tongue. The upshot of the joke was that McCain was repeatedly sticking his tongue out like a reptile.

Colbert Screenshot


While the late-night laughanistas were having their fun, as a professional poker player I instantly recognized an increasingly well-known poker tell that I’ve been able to use to my advantage at the table.

Retired FBI agent Joe Navarro, a Bluff Magazine columnist and author of Read ‘Em and Reap, a book on poker tells culled from his professional interrogation experience, has written about the “tongue jut,” which is exactly what McCain was doing in the Colbert debate clips. Its significance?
Tongue-jutting behavior is a gesture used by people who think they have gotten away with something or are “caught” doing something. I have seen this behavior in flea markets both in the United States and in Russia, among street vendors in Lower Manhattan, at poker tables in Las Vegas, and in business meetings. In each case, the person made the gesture – tongue between the teeth without touching the lips – at the conclusion of some sort of a deal or as a final nonverbal statement. This behavior has several meanings – depending on specific situations – but is usually associated with one of these: I got caught (taking candy from a drawer), gleeful excitement (look at what I just did, Mom), I got away with something (and I didn’t get caught), I did something foolish, or I am naughty.
Naturally, this made me curious as to what exactly McCain was saying when his tongue jutted. So, today, I watched a replay of the whole debate tape.

A few examples:

“Greed is rewarded. Excess is rewarded.”
“I have a fundamental belief in the goodness and strength of the American worker.”
“I don’t believe we’re gonna go back to the Cold War. I am sure that that will not happen”
“... loss of all the fragile sacrifice that we’ve made of American blood and treasure which grieves us all.”

Take a look:



What can we conclude from this? I’m not a trained psychologist, but I have used observation of this particular tell in the past to my financial advantage. Usually when I’m observing two players are in a hand against each other, one decides to make a laydown, and the other tongue juts when that happens, I’ll mentally capture their entire body language during the hand in my memory bank, and when I see it again, I’ll assign greater likelihood that the opponent is bluffing. I’ve profited from this tell.

Does that mean McCain is getting away with something he knows he shouldn't? Not necessarily -- he could be excited to be scoring points -- but Navarro's long FBI experience tells us this unconscious reptile-brain mimic is in that ballpark. Perhaps trained body language experts will see the clips and make more definitive conclusions about what McCain is doing here.

Looked at as a composite body of jut-work, I notice these are definitely moments when McCain is feeling pretty good about himself and the points he's making. McCain partisans may even like this clip being out there, because, juts or no juts, they're a lot of the comments he wanted to get in. Every mention of General Petraeus seems to be something McCain feels good about, for example.

Or he could just have a really hilarious tic and it could mean nothing.

[PS – the other day I heard a crazy rumor about Dr. Stephen T. Colbert (DFA)’s future programming. Now I can’t remember what it was. Maybe I’ll recall by Tuesday of next week. Thanks to our intrepid photographer Brett for editing the clips together, he's very excited about the MNF-style donkey-elephant smashup.]

167 comments

ian said...

You should create a widget that people can put on their sites.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

I think Texas is in play this year for Obama.

Geoff said...

Just saw Nate on Countdown, nice work! Too bad Kieth didn't ask more about the data - that's the most impressive part about the website. Keep it up, this is my preferred political update.

mark said...

surveyUSA in Ohio

M49
O48


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Oxy said...

Why did this disappear for a while?

wartank777 said...

Stephen Colbert, the only talking head that knows what he's talking about.

Also Nate/Sean, thank you for this site. I started reading and June and it is now the only political site I really go to.

Vote said...

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Sept 30 Polling Update

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Jonathan said...

Sean or Nate,

I realize that Georgia is probably out of reach for Obama, but any idea how the gas shortage crisis there will effect the election? Is it good for Obama because it contributes to a general sense of economic discontent, or good for McCain because it reminds them of offshore drilling?

the iDiot said...

LDoF - As much as I'd like to agree with you, I am on the ground in San Antonio, and it just isn't happening.

While I haven't seen a Democratic presence like this in my adult life, but the mountain is just too high to climb.

Sure - Dallas County and Travis (Austin) and down in the valley and maybe El Paso will be pockets of blue, but overall, I just don't see it.

Nobody is spending money here which indicates neither campaign thinks Texas is in play.

boobot said...

YEAH WHITE SOX!!!!!!!

AnotherMike said...

I've yet to see any real science behind any of that body language psychoanalysis. It's always some guy's unsupported BS.

Steven said...

Ever consider he might have loose dentures? I know I know, it's silly, but I'm serious.

Can you say "WorSHington"? Same phenomenon.

...

White Sox suck.

eric said...

William Buckley used to do the same thing with his tongue. A friend of mine always referred to him as "old lizard tongue" and did an hilarious impersonation. Perhaps Buckely's ghost has possessed McCain?

Marcus said...

I play a lot of poker and I would love to here what Mike Caro, The Mad Genius of Poker thinks about this tell. He has wrote a few books about poker tell but I just don't remember this one.

Mark said...

Or he had dry lips. Just sain'...

Funny clip though!

joe said...

Check this out, ha ha. Watch in High Quality for best effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZLg_lmx10

Brandon said...

Nate - Just saw you on HDNet with Rather. You an Ian Curtis fan by any chance? But seriously, glad to hear you'll be on during election night. I know which channel I'll be watching.

Look out Chuck Todd!

Darío said...

Mark, this poll is old.
Another poll from Insider Advantage Obama is up by 2 in OH.

Charles Crook said...

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.


Can't wait to see Tina Fey this week.

Juris said...

Sean: I'd say that P.S. of yours is a tell. Now I know what I'll be watching at 11:30 PM next Tuesday. Gooooooooo Nate!

Rodney said...

This morning an insane and dangerous stalker a girl and I have been dealing with for months made an implied text messaged death threat against Bristol Palin and her unborn child. You can see what I'm talking about here at my MySpace blog:

www.myspace.com/370392338

It's quite disturbing.

I'm guessing McCain is suffering from dry lips, dry tongue, something like that. Not unusual for someone 72.



"I'm going to be there to make sure you have Miss Alaska standing by in your trailer ready to blow you at all times."-Ari Gold

H IN FLORIDA said...

Could the recent gas shortages in KY, TN, NC, SC and GA have anything to do with the recent polling trends in these states - especially since incumbent Republican Senators Dole, Chambliss and McConnell all look to be in trouble.

This is probably a very big local issue for voters. I am sure that there is some anger that the challengers can tap into since it is another failure of government. Especially when these states had no other direct impact from hurricane Ike.

Any thoughts?

mark said...

it's old?

RCP marks it as Oct 1st

I guess it's a messup on their part

?

Trevor said...

Jonathan--I doubt the Presidential race matters in GA, but it might affect Chambliss/Martin.

I'm inclined to believe the GA Senate race is closer to the 2-point margin than the double-digit margins we've seen. Chambliss ran well behind Bush's 2000 and 2004 margins in 2002, and a Democrat who is more closer to Cleland than Obama/Kerry/Gore should be able to make a good showing.

EJVEricV said...

Juris: Maybe it'll be Sean that's on, ever think of that? ;)

Smunker said...

The Ohio SurveyUSA poll was taken 9/28 - 9/29.

tibor75 said...

Regarding Ohio SurveyUSA, I think when somebody says it's "old", it means we've already discussed it today.

Obliterati said...

Here's another interesting tell: you know that strained, strange smile he flashes occasionaly?

It means he's a fucking lunatic.

Darío said...

You´re right tibor.
InsiderAdv is the other poll in OH.

Dean said...

Nate

I like your site. Stick to the polls. Leave the personality blogging to others, I diminishes the rest of the site.

STepper said...

Rodney

You're a self-absorbed bloviator who never learned how to write in school. Go away.

@Dean

This is Nate's site. he can do whatever he wants with it. Go away, too. Maybe you can join Rodney in his search for bad people.

shadowguidex said...

"Here's another interesting tell: you know that strained, strange smile he flashes occasionaly?"

Also, another tell he has that I've noticed is when he's standing behind someone else who is giving a speech, he constantly plays with his digits, perhaps it's his wedding ring, dunno. Anyway, he is tugging away at his fingers, but he only does this when someone else is speaking, notably Sarah Palin. My brother also has this tell, and he normally does this same thing when he is buying something or when he is getting something from somebody else, basically whenever he takes possession of something he didn't already have. I'm not sure McCain's finger tugging tick is the same exact psychological thing, but he seems to do it either when he is being praised or because he is nervous about what others say about him.

Jen said...

Steven- I doubt McCain wears dentures. If he had dentures, his teeth would not be that yellow.

I do agree that the White Sox suck though!

Reader said...

Gee, thanks, Nate, I can hardly wait to see the mashup clips the conservatrolls make of Obama's supposed "tells".

Ed said...

The President has a tell - I can always see when he's lying.


His lips are moving.

John Nail said...

Nate, good job on Olberman tonite. I told my 6 year old daughter that you and I email once in a while and she was really interested in watching you as well.

Cossack said...

The elephant and donkey smashing thing looks pretty dumb...too much like the AARP ads...

RedHawksO4 said...

Good old Stephen, DFA from Knox College I believe (the prarie fires)


Expectations for Palin in Debate

McCain Chaperones Palin to Latest Interview

John Nail said...

Jonathan - GA may be back in play as SUSA shows McCain +8 down from +16 13 days ago....I think the gas crisis could be a play here as well.What a pain!!

Cossack said...

Btw Nate I like that you are blogging about things other than raw polling. I know you are a smart guy and its nice to see your observations on things that aren't numbers.

emilyqatwork said...

I noticed a different bit of body language that I haven't heard any commentators mention: Whenever the camera aimed at McCain while Obama was speaking, McCain's jaw was pulsing as if he were pressing his molars together with all of his force. My (admittedly partisan) interpretation was that he was controlling his rage by grinding his teeth together.
BTW, I was watching in HD.

quantman said...

OK, this is BS.

I think McCain is just trying to lubricate his mouth while he is talking to ensure his words flow smoothly!

People, C'mon!

STepper said...

I believe the tongue thrust comes from the removal of some of his salivary glands during cancer surgery.

(Of course, if you ask McCain, he may remind you he was a POW, too.)

lperreault said...

Is it possible this is neurological -- i.e, the melanoma spreading to the brain? I remember that when my kids were babies that was something we were told to watch for when they were very small to be sure they had not suffered any oxygen deficit at birth or other neurological deficit -- a repetitive tongue thrusting. I wonder if it is the first sign, along with the temper, the erratic decision making, the seemingly lost and vacant expression, that the melanoma has spread.

Adam said...

meh... it could be something, or it could be nothing. But it's not what I expected to find at 538.com. I'd prefer to see more poll analysis (and On The Road, and Nate on the TM, and, and...), but not so much of this personal stuff.

Thanks for the wonderful and dangerously addictive site, btw :)

Jon said...

Hey Nate, I saw you on Countdown tonight.

You famous now boy!

kellysirkus said...

I'm just glad to know that I wasn't the only one who felt disturbed by that odd tick

Hayford Peirce said...

I see that the Chicago White Sox just clinched their divisional title after playing their 163rd game of the season.

Someone a few days ago, in some other Comment, called Nate an imbecile for having predicted that the White Sox would win the World Series -- and went on to say that the White Sox had just been eliminated from the pennant race.

Dream on, imbecile....

Josh said...

Yeah, I'm thinking that the tounge-jetting is more of an "old man" thing. I seem to recall my grandfather doing the same thing, when he was struggling to stay alive in the hospital. Which doesn't make me at all confident in Gramps McCain.

kellysirkus said...

@ emily
speaking of jaws -- have you checked out Bush's grinding jaw? looks like time for rehab to me

Gregory said...

Totally just saw Nate on MSNBC. And he did a good job!

Carew Suárez said...

Should have left Mr. FBI agent man's description out of this. Its laundry list of the possible "significance" of this involuntary gesture cheapens the whole post. Your evidence, from poker and from McCain's actual speech, is far more interesting.

Becky Sharp said...

Why do I feel like we're at the top of the roller coaster again - waiting for gravity to overwhelm momentum and shoot Obama's numbers downwards again?

Maybe I'm just trained to be pessimistic

Rich said...

This is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Most of the time it looks like he's simply wetting his lips, something many people do during conversation, especially during a heated argument/debate. But there are a few times where his tongue does not touch his lips and simply his teeth... food for thought I suppose.

Raddude said...

Just saw Nate with Olbermann.

He tongue jutted twice!

It just shows high confidence and feeling good about your self.

Jason Roepka said...

Hey Nate, I just saw you on Countdown... I think you licked your lips a few times.

mageekl said...

I'm wondering what it means the McCain constantly twists the last joint of his left ring finger.

And finally someone pointed out the amazing debate line about the height of Koreans. Thank you Colbert, I thought I was the only one who heard that one.

Jay said...

Actually that segment also reminded me of a Dave Barry column on the Dukakis/Bush race (I think it was from his 1988 Year in Review column) where he said something along the lines of:

"Things were going swimmingly for Dukakis until his tongue started flicking out of his face like a lizard, likely to catch a passing fly, and the race was all downhill from there."

I'm not doing the column justice, but it's well worth looking up if you can find it.

Zizzle Mizzle said...

I might be in the minority here but, while I fully support Obama, my favorite part about the website was that it stuck to data analysis. IMHO, I think it should stay that way. As soon as bias is introduced, credibility can be questioned.

We live in an age where there are too many people offering opinions and too few people offering facts. Facts, and thoughtful data analysis, are the reasons I check this site 10 times a day.

STepper said...

Zizzle Mizzle

I have a suggestion. Read the data and ignore the stuff that bugs you. This is Nate's site and he can do what he wants.

Right (tongue thrust) Nate?

NC_voter said...

All you people complaining about these kind of posts have an option... Don't read them.

It's not like Nate or Sean writes these things in PLACE of poll analysis or "On the road" segments, it's just something in addition to those.

eve said...

"The study of body language is conducted at present mainly by anthropologists, linguists, and social psychologists, who refer to this science by the name of kinesics — the study of non-verbal communication or communicative body movements."

STepper said...

@nc_voter

Plagiarist.

Jen said...

Wow does McCain blink frequently. Flutter, flutter. What is up with that. Anyone know what that indicates?

Super creepy.

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Kelly said...

Note to trolls: Nate and Sean, despite posting on the same blog, are in fact different people.

If you're going to complain about perfectly legitimate postings, at least complain to the right person.

NC_voter said...

This site suffers a little every time nate makes a media appearance.

I don't blame him in anyways for doing so, but the troll count always rises afterwards. And it's ALWAYS, always GOP trolls. It's like they think repeating the same lies and talking points everywhere will convince anybody...

Alyssa said...

This is horseshit.

X said...

No mention of Reptilians? :)

"According to writer David Icke, reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders are in fact related to 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking, reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis, in the constellation Draco."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid#Conspiracy_theories

Bush must be one, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVIglDQpb50

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/reps.htm

OTF said...

Just 2 days away to more of this!

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

Caribou Barbeie hasn't read anything. Just admit it instead of looking like a fool and saying you did, then being unable to name anything.

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Allen said...

Off topic, but... I just got polled!

I asked the name of the polling company but couldn't remember it (multi-name, not one like Rasmussen or Gallup).

It wasn't a push-poll. The questioned were very neutral, asking things like who I intended to vote for, favor/unfavor ratings of McCain, Obama, and Palin, etc., including an open answer about what I've read/heard about Obama and McCain recently and what my reaction was to that information. Overall the questions ran probably around 5-7 minutes, I think.

I'm in New Mexico. This was cool! Never thought it would happen to me.

PA John said...

Someone a few days ago, in some other Comment, called Nate an imbecile for having predicted that the White Sox would win the World Series -- and went on to say that the White Sox had just been eliminated from the pennant race.

Dream on, imbecile....


That would have been the amazing PeteKent who has a greatest hits list of "spot-on" (*snark*) predictions that are wat too numerous to list here.

Wesley said...

*Frequent comment reader, almost-never poster*

This site just needs a more sophisticated comments section and a moderator. Otherwise, Piggy gets splatted by a boulder and Ralph is chased into the woods.

I rather enjoy Sean's color commentary and Nate running the numbers.

such sweet thunder said...

Sean: Are we going to get any more road trip diaries this campaign season. Love the pictures and the write ups.

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jjph said...

I'm an OB supporter, but I am a little nervous about the state of the game. Not much in those state polls, and McCain is so erratic that I can't find too much comfort in the polls even though they are looking good. Is it just me or does 35 days feel like a lifetime in this crazy-mixed-up-topsy-turvey-world we find ourselves in? The new (factual inaccurate of course) ad about Freddie Mac featuring our best campaigner (for McCain) Bill go-f#&K-yourselves Clinton is pretty good if you don't know the whole story. Also, for all his craziness, McCain is still getting heard. I have to say, I'm still a bit nervous.....Is it just me?

drvince62 said...

Um, has anyone considered the possibility that this is tardive dyskinesia - an invouluntary movement caused by long-term or high-dose use of dopamine antagonists, usually antipsychotics.

This would explain alot if you ask me -and I am a Doctor.

NC_voter said...

Petekent jumped the shark after he interpruted an O+5 poll of Maine to mean that palin played well in places with "lots of trees"

Not even joking.

He's a running joke around here.

Guancous said...

Breaking footage about Sarah Palin's Facebook page getting hacked at Heartless and Brainless.

Alex Jay said...

As much as I'd like it to be some tell to which we could point to highlight McCain's ... interesting ... behavior and air of mendacity of late, I'm thinking that it's a simple case of dry mouth due to steady talking; I assume I do the same thing when delivering a case argument (I'm a union steward, not a lawyer, so admittedly, my arguments tend to be even shorter).

I DO think, however, with as many lies, shaded half-truths, and downright idiocies which come out of the mouths of those on the redder side of this race, we don't need so much to focus on this--it only leads to unnecessary finger-pointing (or tongue-jutting) towards minutiae.

I mean, really; when seeing Nate on Countdown tonight, I was struck by his steadfast refusal to blink--but that's no knock on his reliability or honesty ...

PA John said...

@NC

"Petekent jumped the shark..." (Insert any Petekent comment here).

We should just call him the Fonz.

ASP said...

Has anyone noticed the way Obama goes to the outside of his nose at regular intervals? I seem to remember one Internet rumor that he was giving Hillary the finger...since then I've half-noticed that he does it regularly (brush his nose, not give anyone the finger).

AnotherMike said...

Maybe I'm just trained to be pessimistic

We're Democrats. We can't help it.

Nick said...

Good job on Olbermann Nate.

NC_voter said...

"These polls are GreAaaayhht news for John McAaaayhhn!!!"

chris said...

Hank Paulson was showing the same "tell" when he was on the Sunday shows pitching the bailout a week and a half ago.

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Wesley said...

@alex jay

Agreed, I can't say that this post on the tongue thing was particularly relevant to the site. Relating it to poker tells is interesting enough. To me, it's the Colbert picture that makes the entire post seem too snarky.

fred said...

crickets...high in protein...i need crickets...repugs have taken my meat...

iamchriskelley said...

This jump into pure speculation has, for the first time since I've regularly read your blog, led me to think less of the content you post. You neglect to address the null hypothesis that his mouth is dry. He's 72 years old. Way to look partisan. You can do better than that.

xiann said...

Don't you remember? This is how we knew Tom Riddle was Voldemort.

mhigh said...

>>As much as I'd like to agree with you, I am on the ground in San Antonio, and it (Obama taking Texas) just isn't happening.<<

Agreed. I'm not seeing much political activity around here at all, other than some Ciro Rodriguez commercials here and there (in fact there's one on the TV as I type this). Just a bare handful of bumper stickers, the strong majority being McCain/Palin.

Texas will only go to Obama in a landslide scenario. I could imagine it being closer than expected (like within 5-6 points), enough that the networks cannot call the state for McCain immediately after the polls close, but the Republican Machine is just too big and entrenched.

xyz said...

Is it just me or does Nate totally look like Harold Ford Jr.?

NC_voter said...

Give texas eight years of a successful Obama administration, then run a Warner or Schweitzer. I expect if this scenario comes to fruition, we will be seeing texas as a toss up.

Jen said...

"I mean, really; when seeing Nate on Countdown tonight, I was struck by his steadfast refusal to blink--but that's no knock on his reliability or honesty ..."

If Nate doesn't blink then he would make a good VP according to Sarah Palin. Maybe Nate should be singing a different tune regarding dumping Palin, if he is McCain's new running mate. Talk about a game changer.

Les said...

@xiann

No, no, no. That's how we knew Barty Crouch Jr. was Mad Eye Moody. :D

InkStain said...

"Don't you remember? This is how we knew Tom Riddle was Voldemort."

No, we knew he was Voldemort because the letters of his full name rearranged to I Am Lord Voldemort. (Well, I knew it when he came out of the diary and said it, but I'm not real good at that literary clue stuff).

"No, no, no. That's how we knew Barty Crouch Jr. was Mad Eye Moody. :D"

Only in the movie. I don't think there was much giveaway in the book, which was unusual for Rowling.

InkStain said...

Of sure, I start talking Harry Potter and everyone gets quiet.

It's freshman mixer 1999 all over again :(

Obliterati said...

Thanks for killing the thread Ink.

InkStain said...

I might as well have just typed "Avada Kedavra!" and pointed my wand at the thread.

Jen said...

Well at least you are not talking about Star Wars.

Michael said...

great job on dan rather's show tonight..will look forward to your election night coverage

Obliterati said...

*embarrased shuffle*

*stares at the floor*

*pretends to text on cellphone*

Les said...

@ inkstain
'
"No, no, no. That's how we knew Barty Crouch Jr. was Mad Eye Moody. :D"

Only in the movie. I don't think there was much giveaway in the book, which was unusual for Rowling.


No, in the book there wasn't a "tell" with the Crouch/Moody impersonation. But my teenage daughters are real David Tennant fans, through Dr. Who, and he played Barty Jr., so I've seen that whole tongue flick thing far more times than is healthy.

Jeremy said...

Shit! The McCain folks will read this thread and tell everyone and their mother that his lips got dry due to water shortage during his POW years, so he needs to constantly wet them, and shame on Sean for belittling McCain's love of country...

InkStain said...

I think I'd pay good money for a bumper sticker that says "Obama: Finishing what the Viet Cong started"

I wouldn't have the courage to actually put it on my car, though.

Les said...

Going off to play with my dinosaurs...

"Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

"Har, har, har! Mine is an evil laugh!"

InkStain said...

Firefly reference?

Nerd.

eve said...

I don't think it's the Harry Potter references -- just not a lot of activity tonight.

I think it odd that some might discount body language. We use emoticons online because we can't see the body language or hear the tone.

I don't know if McCain's tongue hanging out was due to dry lips, medication, or because he was excited or lying or whatever. But most people pay attention to body language in their everyday life without even thinking about it.

wolfie said...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/221050.php

he's doing the tongue jutting there in the interview with the des moines register.

Luke said...

OK, "laughanista"? Is this a Quinnism? It returns exactly ZERO results on a Google search, which is a tough task in and of itself. Care to define it for us so we can spread it and create that neologism with a tail back to your Sep 30 post?

eve said...

Letterman let McCain have it again tonight. Never a good idea to piss off a comedian with a nightly audience.

GregM said...

Allen said: I asked the name of the polling company but couldn't remember it (multi-name, not one like Rasmussen or Gallup).

Maybe American Research Group?

Jen said...

I found the blinking and tongue thrusting unpleasant and uncomfortable.

If I saw someone younger than 72 doing that, I would think they were a tweaker.

Isn't Wassilia the meth capital of Alaska?

Alyssa said...

Star Wars rules.
I think you meant D&D.

New post! Yay... this one was dying a slow death.

newfgirlz said...

Wolfie- I noticed that too and was just coming here to post about that.
He seems to do it after particularly decietful statements - such as Obama supporting sex ed for 5 year olds - you can read about it on his web-site...
I really think Sean is onto something.

Here is another link to the vid.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=videonetwork&maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralObject=873527229

Jen said...

Laughinistas was cute.

Poker Samurai said...

---Is it just me or does Nate totally look like Harold Ford Jr.?---

Dead ringer, aside from the skin tone, facial structure, eyes, nose, mouth, hair, ears, and bearing.

sortalikenathan said...

OK. I could not get through that without being totally grossed out.

I feel dirty now.

John Peterson said...

First of all, totally stupid article-- nice work as usual, Sean. I am a poker player myself, and a math-oriented one (ie. a "good" poker player), and I imagine you are as well. So you know as I do that "tells" are by far the most overrated aspect of poker. My conclusion: whatever.

The Colbert thing is interesting, though. For a while I have been thinking that the Colbert humor has no future under an Obama administration. How can he speak ironic 'truth to power' (by assuming the opposition's "arguments" he demonstrates their manifest absurdity) when the power is The One We Have All Been Waiting For?

If you're going to touch on that, I am excited. Otherwise, thanks for the usual hackery.

Michael said...

He does it in this recent and very scary Des Moines R interview, too, at the end:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/30/231224/007/123/616189

all I have to say is that the dude is no robert mitchem--extremely hard to watch

monkd said...

These facial movements are characteristic of a person taking antipsychotic medicines like Thorazine.

assmole said...

Great analysis Sean. Smashup was cool too.

Poker Samurai said...

---So you know as I do that "tells" are by far the most overrated aspect of poker.---

Closely followed by math. The years of work it takes to subtract from 52 and then divide, grueling. The hours spent pokerstoving ranges of hands, honing yourself to a fine edge....

Haha, sorry. I just grow tired of both myths, that you can look into someone's soul and know what cards they hold OR that poker requires some sort of knowledge of complex math theory. "I studded game theory so I sometimes look at my watch and fold if the second hand is in the bottom half."

Aratina said...

He does it again in this interview with the Des Moines Register! A real full tongue jut through the teeth toward the very end.

AxmxZ said...

The only thing Nate and Harold Ford Jr. have in common is that they both make very, very obvious that we are all descended from small lurky arboreal predators with convergent and frontated orbits.

o_O

Nathan said...

Uh. . . let's stick to the models and stay away from bad amateur psychology.

John Peterson said...

Poker Samurai, sure there is the math, which isn't that difficult. But most of successful poker is game theory, not "tells" or any sort of mathematical determinism.

Nickname unavailable said...

@Nathan
Agreed. The (very significant) value of this blog, in my humble opinion, is that it is a beacon of reasoned and careful analysis in a sea of underthought opinions. This post belongs somewhere else (and it was: The Colbert Report..).

assmole said...

Naysayers be gone. These guys can post whatever the hell they like -it's their site!

Jeffraham Prestonian said...

May have already been said, but I think this can also be the side-effect of certain drugs used to treat geriatric brain disorders.

That wouldn't necessarily account for the timing, of course.
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Thomas Neyman said...

You people harrumphing any discussion of facal expressions don't know what you're talking about. Google "Paul Ekman" and then get back to us with your dismissive condescension.

My favorite facial expression of the day ('cause, you know, I catalog these things) was Nate's accidental smile when Keith Olbermann announced that the Secy of State in Ohio had won her case. Nate grinned with glee, then remembered he was supposed to be an impartial expert, and his smile suddenly went flat, re-assuming the "I'm not a pundit, but I play one on TV" expression. I wasn't laughing at you (and happy to hear the news from Ohio), but I was laughing.

Andy Edwards said...

Here's how I feel about this diary... if tongue-jutting is really hard science as you imply, then anyone who saw McCain doing this would've understood it subconsciously. The one thing I could not get over was how many non-political junkies I know were keyed into the debate body language while I was not.

It never hurts to promote a good Colbert piece though! And speaking of which - your postscript... ARE YOU OR NATE GOING TO BE ON THE COLBERT REPORT NEXT WEEK!!?

craigw5 said...

This is a really interesting topic. I noticed the tongue jut earlier in a slightly modified form in a clip from TPM media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkM5BWAnTDE

I remember that McCain performed this lip covered tongue jut in his appearance in front of the "Sausage House" in Berlin, Ohio, the day that Obama was making his speech in Berlin, Germany.

Initially, I thought he was cleaning his teeth, because he had a toothpick he was working, intermittently, but the more I think about it, he seems to use this as a statement, sort of like a baseball player spitting his tobacco between swings at the plate.

As if to say, "oh, yea!" (Like, so you think you're hot, well, I'll show you.)

clubok said...

Another tongue-jut moment from a new interview with the Des Moines Register. McCain juts his tongue after defending his "sex ed for kindergartners" ad. It seems to fit with this explanation.

ogre said...

Hell, give the guy a break. Maybe he just spotted a cricket and was unconsciously feeling a bit peckish.

Sparky said...

That "tongue thing" is also very similar to a common tic seen in people taking high doses of antipsychotic medication.

nixtuff said...

Um. In most of those he's just licking his lips. I'm no McCain fan but at least use REAL things to attack him on. SOME of those were that weird tongue thing, but most of them were just an old man trying to keep his lips moist.

Ladypeyton said...

John McCain absolutely wears dentures. He's got the telltale whistle whenever he pronounces his "s"es.

Arfe dentures the reason he sticks out his tongue? Possibly, but my parents and uncles who now wear dentures don't have that tell.

Thomas Neyman said...

Amen to the person who watched this on HDTV and noticed McCain's popping cheek. I don't know what it really meant, or if it's just a medical condition, but it LOOKED like he was clenching his jaw with barely controlled rage. Perception is everything, and it reinforced a negative stereotype, which is of course a cardinal sin for a debate, especially at the end of a 2-3 week period in which McCain repeatedly drew attention to his temperament.

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timschel said...

Check out the video on the left, posted under "Deep thought" for more examples of the tongue. He's not licking his lips, he's getting called out on his lies.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

ken_bodine said...

The way things are going, and the way he is looking, I'm waiting for McCain to get caught on tape saying the N-word, ending his campaign in one final mushroom cloud.

homunq said...

Isn't he just saying "I did it, I hit that talking point dead on!"? I mean, if you don't like him, you think it's a lie, if you like him, you think it's a win. But does anybody really think that any politician in a debate isn't gunning for talking points rather than impartially analyzing the fascinating point at hand? It's not 2 AM in the dorm, it's a #&$*# presidential debate.

I'd rather talk about why he's wrong and dangerous, than what he does with his face.

Liam Hedge said...

Check this out! I just noticed it on Huffington. Around the case the McCain is defending the Obama sex ed ad he does the exact same thing as in the debate. Now correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt this show exactly what Nate meant. He got away with absolute BS. It is absolutely uncanny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-testy-with-de_n_130801.html

Liam Hedge said...

lol, i should read the 150 odd comments before I post. I just got excited seeing McCain caught again. My bad :-)

Maggie said...

Back in the mid to late 60's, there was a comic strip by Walt Kelly called Pogo. There was one strip that has been my favorite explanation for the tongue hanging out of mouth behavior. I can't remember which character said to which other one, but the dialogue goes something like this:
A: Why is your tongue always hanging out of your mouth?
B: It relieves the pressure on the lower part of my brain.
I think we need go no further for an explanation of why John McCain exhibits this behavior.

Daniel said...

I love this site, and I'm an avid Obama supporter... But this article is a very poor representation of this site.

This kind of pop psychology analysis is what annoys me about Republican sites; every time I try to figure out their issues and stances, I get this kind of crap. This is not political analysis, folks.

Go to Republican websites and you'll find people arguing that Obama had memorized the bracelet thing and fumbled because he was trying to recall it. That kind of crap.

Meanwhile, if you're looking for a rational discussion exposing the good and bad of crossing into Pakistan... It's nowhere to be seen.

hazmaq said...

This does belong on this site because it was sheer brilliance in its creation. Colbert is such a master at what he does - as are this sites creators.
Colbert and his team deserve an award for one of the funniest bits I've ever seen.

Stephen C. Rose said...

I am 72 and my mouth does not get dry. I think McCain is a tell period. Then again most people are. Cheers, S

Carol said...

tongue darting and facial tic (particularly cheek puffing) are symptoms of Tardive Dyskinesia, a neurological disorder associated with a reaction to neuroleptic medication. There may be other reasons for McCain's symptoms, but this might be an interesting trail to follow.

Christina said...

I had to deliver a 5 minute public speech once and I did this constantly...consciencely...except it wasn't tongue jutting, it was from EXTREME dry mouth that accompanies the anxiety that comes along with speaking publicly.

Pinku-Sensei said...

May David Icke never notice this tic of McCain's.

Poker Pundit said...

Awesome. Had to give you a shout out.

arkham4269 said...

There is another explanation, as anyone who has taken the John Reid Course on interviewing/interrogation and that answer lies in neuro-linguistics. Lies cause stress and stress has to come out somehow. Often times that reflects in the tongue coming out. Pres. Bush II does it all the time.

Generally it is hard to use this method on politicians because they can hold on to the lectern so their hands don't move and their eyes/head don't do the classic 'move to the right' since they are reading a teleprompter. So often times it's the tongue that moves.

I took this class prior to deploying and found that your body tells the truth while your mouth is lying more often than not.

Mary Godwin said...

Nate, you have got to check out this Des Moines, IA video of McCain responding to a challenge about the honesty of his ads: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=videonetwork. It is unbelievable how many times we see the tongue jut! ...awesome post. Thanks for focusing my attention. -mg

Michael said...

Both McCain and Bush show evidence of tardive dyskinesia, as an MD posted earlier...Bush cogwheels like crazy--the jaw thing--so I'd bet dollars to donuts that he is on (and off again, like when he dances on the White House steps) a major antipsychotic, possibly treating BPAD.

christockos said...

TONGUE JUT ALERT
During McCain's answer about "100 Truth" with the desmoinesregister.com (I saw it on Countdown tonight) and right in the middle of some b.s. about how he "always tells 100 percent truth" there is the most obvious tongue jut yet. Check it out.

StonedLiberal said...

Yet Another tongue jut alert!
There are so many in this video it's quite incredible. First video when speaking about the negative ads about the Obama sex ed bill he is doing a lot of weird things with his mouth before finally relenting to the full blown repeated tongue jut.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-testy-with-de_n_130801.html

Norske-Division said...

Are you kidding me?

When did FiveThirtyEight turn into DailyKOS?

What a waste of time.

Even the polygraph is not reliable enough to convict or exonerate someone. Relying on physical cues would be even less reliable.

I don't understand what this has to do with polling data. Posting stuff like this just discredits otherwise solid polling data.

JeanDodge said...

I heard a rumor in the air above Boulder, Colorado that McCain's facial tick was possibly the effects of Ibogaine abuse! (HST joke, where is he when we need him?)

The tic is not so odd when you consider the possibility that John McCain may be on several prescription medications for various brain and body issues. We can speculate all day about this stuff and it won't get us anywhere, except to snarks-ville. And yet one does have to worry a bit about a man in his seventies, in such a high stress environment day in and day out. If you were his doctor or family member, you would be tempted to offer him some better living through chemistry help. I've heard others speculate that he may be on beta blockers, something that keeps a temper in check and relives stage fright. Others speculate about Aderol (sp?) which is high performance meth, and makes you think your ideas are brilliant. Anti siezure, anti psychotics, medication for skin cancer and other pills have been mentioned by wags but the truth is, we just don't know.

Obama smokes cigarettes "occasionally" we are told and some say it contributes to his smooth speaking voice. But that also affects the brain, as does sugar intake, and how much fish oil one consumes. In the end, perhaps it is best to pick a candidate based on, golly, tells like issues, character and voting record.

I like the Pogo comment from above tho and will clsoe with Walt kelly's advice.

vote early, and vote often!

Thomas Nephew said...

Late to this comment thread, but another mannerism of McCain's I've noticed is a kind of tippy-toes routine when he thinks he's made a particularly good point. It might be compensation for him being a bit shorter than average, I don't know.

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