9.28.2008

Today's Polls, 9/28

Here's the long and short of it for John McCain: Barack Obama has as large a lead in the election as he's held all year. But there is much less time left on the clock than there was during other Obama periods of strength, such as in February, mid-June or immediately following the Democratic convention. This is a very difficult combination of circumstances for him.

On the strength of a set of national tracking polls that each show Obama at or near his high-water mark all year, our model projects that he would win an election hold today by 4.2 points. It discounts this lead slightly to a projected margin of 3.3 points on November 4, as most races tend to tighten as we approach election day.

This lead might not sound like that much, but it's fairly significant: we've been through two conventions and one debate, voters have dug their heels in, and Obama's position in the Electoral College is extremely robust. Trimming away a 4-5 point lead isn't that difficult over the summer months -- in fact, McCain accomplished exactly that in July and August -- but it's a steeper hill to climb after Labor Day. And if anything, our projection may be lowballing Obama slightly, as the aforementioned national tracking data (which incorporates one day of post-debate interviewing) has Obama's lead in the range of 5-8 points; the model will need Obama to hold those numbers for another day or two before it catches up to them.

Democrats have no reason to be complacent. Although the situation looks dramatically better for them than it did two weeks ago, so too have the stakes of the election increased. The next president will face perhaps the most challenging set of circumstances of any since Franklin Roosevelt, and could potentially have nearly as much impact on the future direction of the country. Obama could very easily lose, and even if he wins, odds are that there will be at least one more swing back toward McCain in the intervening 37 days. Nevertheless, as Isaac Chotiner suggests, I believe that the national punditry is understating the difficulty of the position that McCain finds himself in.

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There is almost no action at the state level today. Mason-Dixon has John McCain ahead by 16 points in Tennessee and 12 in Kentucky; SurveyUSA has Obama up 16 in Connecticut. Among these results, the only remotely interesting one is Kentucky, and then only because it suggests that Obama might be able to avoid a complete disaster in Southern Ohio.

450 comments

JulieInSeattle said...

YIPPIE!

adam said...

let me be the first to say...

The polls today are great news!!! FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!

lol

Guancous said...

Obama already running Get Out The Vote ads. Check it out at Heartless and Brainless. Click the banner for more stories.

Justin said...

Wow, Real Clear Politics has NC already going to Obama if you look at thier electoral map with no toss up states. Has him at 301, basically same map as Nate's except no blue in OH, FL or IN

Real Joe said...

McCain Landslide !!!

Kid G said...

Believe me, having increased my involvement in the campaign the last few weeks and seeing first hand how much volunteering interest there is even in NJ, Obama/Biden is not taking anything for granted.

PorridgeGun said...

Battleground should be punted.


Something I reckon Palin will be soon...

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/2008/09/mccain-sticks-i.html

Burt said...

Actually, the KY and TN results are interesting, because Obama now isn't doing any worse in those states than any other non-Southern Democrat.

Wizard said...

McCain is singing today:

...I'll just cry all night long
Say it isn't true
And don't it make my white states blue...

neekblas said...

I think this is the first time the 538 projection has had a candidate more likely to win in a landslide than their opponent was to win at all.

koszul said...

A big lead right now might help a lot in Ohio, where the one-stop voting window is exactly next week?

Jon said...

HOLY JESUS!

LOOK AT ALL THAT BLUE!

LOL

Real Joe said...



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McCain 60

Obama 35

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Simon said...

neekblas,
Actually, yesterday was the first day. (21.8% O Landslide, 21.5% M win)

Seattle said...

Neekblas,

Good eyes! I think that was the case yesterday as well.

But still plenty of time for the race to tighten up. Still time to make another donation!

Justin said...

Who is this Real Joe dude? Judging by his "tracker" or whatever it is he is on some pretty good Meds...may I please have some?

Real Joe said...

guys

remember to watch Entourage(HBO-10 pm ET)

no more fake polls coming out today ??

InkStain said...

As Obama learned in California this year, early voting has changed elections forever. You can't just hope for a last-minute surge to save you.

If McCain polls 5 points behind all month and turns it around in the last few days to make it even, he will lose.

adam said...

it's great news, but hopefully the obama camp is not taking anything for granted.

given that they just released an ad predicting their own defeat, i don't think that's gonna happen.

and the republican spin that everything is going great for them will actually help the dems this time.

PorridgeGun said...

Despite Rain, 26,000 Virginians Show For Obama-Biden Rally

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/26000-virginians-show-up-in-ra.html


Pictures and Videos

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/despite-rain-26000-virgin_n_129981.html

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/obamaroadblog

Ben said...

I can't wait to see this week's polling after the debate. A few of you might remember me as the guy who was talking about Sun lunch conversation after services at my Baptist Church. Everyone who has been badmouthing Obama was actually shocked how presidential he seemed. It seems the McCain camp really set up an untenable CW in its base, if they actually watch these things.

Simon said...

Today is boring. And it's raining out too...
Tomorrow I think we will have a lot of polls because Rasmussen will have some new ones and I think CNN releases their weekly battleground polls on Monday. I think.

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Matthew said...

That KY -12 in addition to indicating southern OH will be reasonable so might southern IN.

Redshift said...

Guacous: Obama already running Get Out The Vote ads.

Early voting has started in lots of states. Any votes from supporters Obama can get cast and finalized before election day are ones the ground game doesn't have to flush out then.

Solid strategy, and something you can do especially well when you have more money and more volunteers than your opponent. (The RNC can spend money on this, but such ads wouldn't be able to mention McCain specifically, if I understand correctly.)

RedHawksO4 said...

Obama is definitely in a great position, but his supporters must not get complacent, I agree. It's time to double down and close this out!

Debate Reactions--Part 2

lloyd said...

Nate, could you explain somewhere the mechanics of how you fit the curve to the datapoints in the Super Tracker? I am interested in how some retrospective changes appear in the red line, once you know whether an uptick was a brief meaningless spike or the beginning of a real trend. Thanks.

Real Joe said...

with new 527 ads obama is finish

McCain Landslide !!!

Ben said...

Virginia?? Where are all these blue voters coming from? In my day, Republicans could take Virginia for granted and not even waste time campaigning there.

Joey said...

Kid G:

Are you in NJ?

I'm in north jersey and really have not felt that much worry about Obama/Biden or Lautenberg for that matter. In fact, I can't even find a local Obama HQ (the closest one I've found is in West Windsor/Princeton) but felt that working NJ (at least my area) would be kind of pointless.

I know people who have hooked up with the Brooklyn office to get sent to PA, though I wish I could go to OH, as I feel that's a better place to spend some time now.

Redshift said...

PorridgeGun -- I was there! It was a great time, a party atmosphere despite getting soaked to the skin.

fred said...

I just can't wait for the debate.

Does anyone know in the VP debate if someone answers for 30 seconds in a two minute answer, is there then 1:30 of dead air or do they move on?

Justin said...

Anybody notice how on Nate's map all the states that were considered "toss ups" are going to Obama (technically IN isn't but it might as well, just going to McCain by 1%) the only one that is not blue or white is MO...which watching CNN right now who just pointed out that McCain is only up by 1% with 7% undecided...I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I just find humor with how McCain's road to 270 is quickly starting to look like the road to nowhere...(Ha I made a funny, gold star for me?)

Real Joe said...

Sarah will crush Joe in the debates

she's a fire ball !!!

McCain Landslide !!!

fred said...

ben-

northern va, around dc

miles said...

hey guys, don't get so mad at real joe. this is an exercise in impartiality, and joe, like it or not, represents a formidable demographic consisting of perhaps half of americans. whether or not they have their heads in their asses, the fact of the matter is they're there, and they managed to elect all but two of the last presidents since lbj. majority consensus does not necessarily yield truth, but it does move mountains. i mean, look at the ridiculous state the world is in right now! we, in large part, have the real joes of the world to thank for that.

-"there's the way things ought to be, and the way things are" -sgt. barnes, platoon

Medusa said...

Does anyone have any predictions of what McCain's strategy will be now? Will he try any more game changers, or not, now that he's been burned?

I'm predicting that they will try using tears from Palin like Clinton did in NH for some pity votes.

Ben said...

An additional note about lunch after church: Not more than 10% of my friends today say that they really are excited about Palin anymore. (ALL of this group loved her when she was announced). Conversation got really quiet and embarrassed when we started talking about her. My favorite quote was "I love Sarah Palin on her social positions, like, marry her level, but oh my gosh, half of us here at this table would be more qualified to be VP." - from a 100% Republican voter. Also, everyone was mad at McCain for his role in the hated bail out. I think that the polls are going to continue their side in this kind of environment. The views I'm reflecting were those held by a crowd of 25ish, with only Republicans and a sprinkling of independents (I am one of those). This is insane. NO ONE would have talked like this about Bush 4 years ago at a lunch of these people.


I know this discussion is most focused on polling and more empirical analysis, but this is too insane not to share. The change in this crowd's views over the last 3 weeks has been incredible as the Palin stuff has become to obvious to deny to oneself anymore.

PorridgeGun said...

McCain and the POW Cover-Up


If you thought he was scumbag before...

http://www.truthout.org/article/mccain-and-pow-cover-up

hurn0003 said...

"fred said...

I just can't wait for the debate.

Does anyone know in the VP debate if someone answers for 30 seconds in a two minute answer, is there then 1:30 of dead air or do they move on?"

I believe the last 1:30 will be required to be filled w/ rambling about Putin rearing his head in Alaskan airspace, which you know share a maritime border w/ Russia and a land border with Canada, which has not yet reared their head, but I am not sure if we should meet with their leader w/out preconditions because I think they may be close to Spain who we are unsure about, maybe cuz they have bullfights which are cruel, kind of like dogfights, which often involve pitbulls, which sometimes wear lipsticks, but don't be mean to a pitbull in lipstick, or I might cry.

fred said...

real joe is kidding. he does this all day. it is funny.

NC_voter said...

These polls are great news!!! For BARACK OBAMA!!!

Wow, look how BLUE that map is!

On this day, September 28th, in 2004, President Bush led John Kerry 49.0% to 43.7%
For final results, Please see Presidential inauguration, 2005

At this point in the race, the frontrunner in the polls never lost the lead


(22) days since the Fundamental Shift toward McCain/Palin...


No more FOREIGN POLICY debates...
No more conventions...
No more VP picks...



The first book I plan to buy during the Obama administration will be the tell-all book from someone in the McCain campaign explaining how everything went wrong. My money is on the Palin pick.

and of course...


You CONS should be getting nervous!

Justin said...

Miles
I suppose you are correct. Who will ever forget the British Newspaper Headline the morning of Nov. 3
"How can 59 million people be so stupid?"

Ben said...

PS there are two Bens here - I'm not sock puppeting you, other guy commenting about VA. Sorry if this is causing any confusion.

Kid G said...

Joey @3:21:
The state headquarters is in Princeton, but there is another office in downtown that's very active. If you're interested in going to OH, I would look into getting trained as a deputy field organizer. Where in north Jersey are you? I know for a fact that there is a North Jersey field organizer who you should be able to contact. I would just look for a phonebank near you and they will probably also have info on how to get to OH for GOTV operations. I had the option to do that, but I am going to spend election week in PA instead.

fred said...

hurn-

HILARIOUS! (say it like Jon Stewart)

Simon said...

porridgegun,

since i'm not going to spend an hour and a half reading that whole dissertation about whatever, would you care to summarize the exciting parts?

Gerbie said...

Medusa said...
Does anyone have any predictions of what McCain's strategy will be now? Will he try any more game changers, or not, now that he's been burned?

He'll ask all evangelicals to pray for the real McCain Lanslide, all states west of the rockys to slide into the pacific.

michael said...

Thank God we have Real Joe to bring wisdom, insight and calm analysis to the board.

This is the first time that 3 of the 4 daily trackers have Obama at 50% and that is with only one day of polling post-debate. I do think McCain's hijinks with "suspending" his campaign, the Rick Davis fiasco and the surreal Palin interview are being reflected.

That said, watch for the mainstream media to declare a victory for Palin in the debate on Thursday, since the bar is so low for her it is now scraping the tundra...

Obama is probably up 9-10 nationally once the debate effect is fully felt, and (correct me if you know differently) I do not believe anyone has ever lost an election when they were polling up 10 going into October. (Dewey doesn't count, since polling was at about the level of treating cancer with leeches back in 1948).

Wilson said...

Wow nice, looking at the chart, it seems like a technical breakout.

Not sure if anyone saw this speech in VA, but I kind of got goosebumps.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x200640

Justin said...

Medusa, excellent point. I have pondered if this could happen in the debate. Joe gets out there, roughs Palin up a little bit and Palin lets a few tears roll down. (You can be trained to tear up and cry a little on demand, I am able to do it all the time if I want to) How will the media cover that and voters react...will Biden come out as a sexist bully or will it backfire and show that Palin is just not ready to lead? (I would see it as a political stunt but I think most voters wouldn't see past the two smoke screens mentioned above)

Andy JS said...

RCP has removed the North Carolina Research2000 poll from 09/10 which had McCain +17. That means their average has Obama ahead by 0.3 points, although there hasn't been another Research 2000 poll in NC.

NC_voter said...

Anyone notice the lack of trolls lately? How refreshing!

I haven't seen OZ JOHNNY (or whatever his name was) in a while. Wasn't he just in here last week saying how us "libs should be getting nervous" because McCain will dominate the debate? LOL

Chalk that up to another republiClown talking point that never came to fruition...

Eric said...

jakam said...
I said that earlier, but 6-8 is a lot more 2-4 - panties.

Obama went from a 49-44, +5 lead yesterday to a 50-42, +8 lead today. Obama's first post-debate daily yesterday must have been somewhere in the +11 to +14 range. I predict Obama will lead be enjoying his first double digit lead in the national tracker by the time Thursday's debate comes along.



Obama's in great shape right now, but this assessment above is dead-wrong. Obama gained 3 points in Gallup yesterday because Wednesday's poll where McCain was up about 8 points was replaced with yesterday's where Obama was up 3-5. Thursday's polling was Obama's best day in Gallup and that will drop off tomorrow. Obama's lead will shrink in Gallup. It'll be about 49-43. This will have nothing to do with any momentum shift; it will simply be Gallup's imperfect polling from last week screwing up the numbers. Rasmussen is probably the best guide to go off of. They were very accurate last year and seem like they're in line at this point.

Redshift said...

Ben - Democrats have been gaining in Virginia for several years now. (Almost as long as I've been active in politics here -- maybe it's because of me! ;-) There are several factors:

- Northern Virginia is now about a third of the population of the state. A fair number of those people are either transplants or people who have only been here for a generation, and more of the area has also become high-tech and suburban, and less "traditional Southern."

- Because of Mark Warner's broad appeal and being an early testing ground for the fifty-state strategy, Democrats are more visible in places like Fredericksburg, and a lot of people who thought they were the only one in their area are coming out of the woodwork.

- The Virginia Republican Party has been steadily taken over by a younger generation of anti-tax extremists, who are passionately convinced that the voters really agree with them, and every time they lose, they're sure it's because they just weren't anti-tax enough, and purge some more of the moderate members who dare to disagree in the slightest.

There's more, but in my opinion, those are some of the highlights. (The ones that made it competitive, that is; before the more recent gains due to the Obama campaign.)

miles said...

real joe isn't kidding. you obviously don't remember the shit he was saying when he though mccain was winning. if he is kidding, that's too bad. that means this is a forum full of bleeding-heart pinkos (myself included). where is the representation from the other 47.5%. are they just embarrassed and keeping their mouths shut?

markymark said...

Looking good. Obviously not over, but looking good. I think, as I have said before, we are moving away from when strategy matters, if trends continue, as McCain can't win whatever his strategy from this position as it is today. He needs to concentrate nationally and start to move the polls his way before stategising.

Kid G said...

Gerbie@3:31,
Look for McCain to rain ads on how Obama will take us into a depression. Steve Schmidt operates exclusively on installing fear into the minds of people. McCain operates exclusively on rolling the dice with cheap political stunts. There will definitely be some sort of terrorist-related news in the coming weeks. IMO, I think there will also be a switch of VP nominees, probably in about 2 weeks.

STepper said...

@Nate

We need you on the $700B buy out board, with Warren Buffet and Mitsy Romney.

When you come to dinner with me and Sarah Palin (as well as Boone PIckens and Paris Hilton) next Wednesday, to schmooze before the VP debate, we can discuss this.

On a serious note, the Fox commentators have been on other networks today talking about Sarah Palin's "charm" and her "direct" way of speaking briefly and directly. (Faux commentator in point: Molly Hooper.) So, the new strategy for Sarah Palin is to answer as briefly as possible and humiliate herself as little as possible. And the Rethuglicans will spin it that this is the way she always responds.

But the vacuity of her answers to softball questions from Katie Couric are . . . au contraire. But watch the spin this week on Faux Noise. They put it out on the other talk shows this AM so they will be pushing it full bore all week.

PorridgeGun said...

MUST SEE!!!

I wouldn't usually do this, but I'm gonna throw a bone to the conservatrolls. In fact, the FReeptards should link this video to their Republican friends, and on the wingnut blogs. Just watch:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GEaklHCDvKU



That is why McCain lost Friday night's debate.

fred said...

gerbie-


Palin will pray, God put her in this horrendous spot after all. Right Pete?

He has three choices, go silly negative - which he will lose.

Replace Palin with Romeny (if he will take it) which will cause him to lose.

OR

Pray that Palin does well Thursday and changes the momentum. There is zero chance of this but I bet they go mild negative all week and hope Palin's short platitudes win the debate. Another losing strategy.

Or is that a tactic? JM has not figured out the difference yet...

Deadpixel said...

real joe is America's hero!!

He's the only one that knows what's really going on. McCain will win by 18 points. Due to the Bradley effect and the Bristol Palin wedding!!!

President Mavrick!!!!!

Joey said...

KID G:

I'm in Nutley. Not near Princeton. I couldn't find a local office anywhere. I'm more interested in GOTV than phoning.
Do the NJ offices send people out of state? I only thought the BK office did that.

Matthew said...

For all of the shifts in the map since the bank collapses, (which seems to touch off this cycle of the election), it hasn't been consistently shown in any state polls just yet.

Obama still has not scored over 50% in any poll in Ohio, Florida, Nevada or New Hampshire. When I see those polls, I will start believing he has a landslide chance.

Of course, he doesn't need to get a landslide at this point. All he needs to do is win Colorado, which looks like a very good possibility at this point.

C.S.Strowbridge said...

"I think this is the first time the 538 projection has had a candidate more likely to win in a landslide than their opponent was to win at all."

This was true yesterday, albeit but less than 1%.

Eric said...

Again, I want to remind everyone that Gallup was very predictable. I stated yesterday that Obama would likely be at 50-42 in today's Gallup. This was based entirely off of Wednesday's screwed up number that gave McCain a tie in Gallu dropping off. So, for all you Pubs that are paranoid ecause you think Obama's pulling away, don't be. Dems don't clebrate a massacre just yet. Obama will drop 1-2 points in the poll in Gallup tomorrow and Gallup will be back in line with the other polls at about a 5-6 point lead for Obama. It's not a shift in momentum. McCain won last wednesday's polling in Gallup by 8-10 points and Obama won Thursday by a similar margin. These outlier days drop off and you have the number where it should be, probably about O+6.

hurn0003 said...

A major problem w/ replacing Palin is that she has to be on board with the decision to replace her. Remember, that being replaced effectively ends her political career. Her career rests on her ability to rally these last few weeks and even if McCain loses, she stops being a national joke.

PeteKent said...

I think the impact of early voting is being overestimated. don't you think the vast majority of people who avail themselves of it are firmly committed to the point where they really are no longer persuadable?

InkStain said...

"it hasn't been consistently shown in any state polls just yet. "

Colorado, North Carolina, Virginia, Missouri and Indiana say hi.

Clay said...

we need to do everything we can to make sure Sen. Obama is elected.

volunteer, vote, and join me in participating in an obama minute on October 6th at Noon.

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C.S.Strowbridge said...

"Anyone notice the lack of trolls lately? How refreshing!"

Yes. I've noticed that on many political sites I go to. Hopefully a win for Obama will shut them up for a while. Maybe the time they used to spend attacking liberals can be used to learn something.

holgate said...

Nate: Do you have anything in your model to take into account potential 'votes in the bank' during the early voting periods in many states? Obviously, early votes aren't susceptible to late swings in the polls, but I'm not sure how you can extrapolate clear trends from them, other than a measure of relative enthusiasm.

(In NC, the Board of Elections website keeps good stats both of registered voters w/ party affiliations and early voting numbers.)

Wendell said...

Real Joe is an idiot. The liars are getting nervous because the spread is getting to wide to steal the election.

InkStain said...

"I think the impact of early voting is being overestimated. don't you think the vast majority of people who avail themselves of it are firmly committed to the point where they really are no longer persuadable?"

As usual, you show your ignorance of how politics works.

Yes, those people were firmly committed. And normally, the GOTV efforts on Election Day would have been forced to check on them to remind them to vote. Now, they can check on them today. And tomorrow, they can check on the second-surest voters and make sure they vote early.

By the time we get to election day, GOTV efforts will be able to focus on truly marginal voters.

Eric said...

We should also look for state polls in Virginia in the next two weeks. They already started early voting. Potentially Obama could be up +5 there. If McCain closes well and we have a very close elction, he could win November 4th voting in Virginia, but lose the state due to early voting, and lose the elction because of those 13 electoral votes. It's very possible.

Justin said...

Yes, Deadpixel....Im going to switch my vote over to McCain because the image of his Vice President's teenage daughter marrying out of wedlock is just the most vivid picture of hope for America...screw the banking/bailout crisis...I just heart matrimonial ceremonies so much...they will distract me from every other important thing in this election cycle. Excellent point, kudos for you! I think someone deserves a gold star!

markymark said...

Its fascinating to note what people would put a McCain defeat down to. I think they will be typically arrogant conservatives and chalk it up to a bad year in bad circumstances, and the other side having an inspirational candidate, and come back in 4 years with the same platform and be surprised when it goes bad again.

fred said...

matthew-

I agree. Obama has yet to truly solify his best route to victory, much less another. He needs to solidify NH, CO, NM, and MI before I jump for joy. This is NOT over.

joe said...

I think there must be something wrong with my monitor, because it looks like Ohio, Florida, and Indiana have a slightly bluish tinge. That can't be right.

Wait...what?

PeteKent said...

Ben, Fred will tell you that most of those blue votes in VA are disaffected day traders who could never make money in the markets under Bush like they did under Clinton and are looking forward to the return of the glory years where they can crsuh windows and orphans in the market on a daily basis.

Fred is on record wishing for huge market declines as a way of making Republicans pay for any failure to support the bail out.

sherifffruitfly said...

Obama just got a 20% increase in his landslide chances???

Wow.

miles said...

c'mon, conservatrolls. i know you're out there. i know you're reading this forum. defend yourselves. stop lurking. we will have more respect for you if you at least share some of your "insights". don't go down without a fight. at least real joe has balls.

InkStain said...

"I agree. Obama has yet to truly solify his best route to victory, much less another. He needs to solidify NH, CO, NM, and MI before I jump for joy. This is NOT over."

He's led every poll in Michigan, he's blowing out the polls in NM and CO. NH isn't necessary for a win.

What more do you want?

InkStain said...

*almost* every Michigan poll, I meant.

AnotherMike said...

nc_voter,

I'm betting there will be finger pointing in every direction imaginable and more. I'll bet Palin has loyalist who will blame McCain or his campaign managers for putting her on such a short leash. "If they had just let Sarah campaign and do interviews, . . . ." Schmidt is sure to blamed by everyone. Die hard conservatives will say McCain has always been a media whore who cares nothing about the party or the cause (that was their critique of him before he won the nomination). Corporatecons will bemoan the failure to nominate Romney. Social cons the failure to nominate Huckabee. Neocons the failure to select Giuliani. It won't require any logic or factual support. It's hard not to get ahead of ourselves and savor the upcoming war.

Deadpixel said...

Do people not understand satire...?


mCcAIN lANDSLIDE!

Simon said...

Wendell et al,
REAL JOE IS KIDDING. that's already been clarified multiple times on this thread.

Eric said...

It's expected 1/3 of all voting could take place in some states pre-Nov. 4th. If Obama wins early voting in Virginia (let's say 1/3 of the total, it started last week) by 5 and loses Nov. 4th Virginia voting by 2, he probably wins the state.

Mike said...

Great news! I'm going to be overcome with relief if Obama can pull this off. I'm in California, so I can't vote in a battleground state, but at least I get to cast a 'No' vote on Prop 8.

Going to be such a great day if Obama wins, Dems take the Senate with 56+ members, and Prop 8 fails.

Terry said...

Here's my take. If there's to be a big campaign event/surprise that will create a shift toward McCain, and if theatrics and controversy have greater effect than substance, as it seems, I predict Palin will be at its center, one way or another. In fact, I would expect her handlers are writing the script as we speak.

Matthew said...

@inkstain:

I didn't mean that the polls didn't show Obama pulling closer in certain states, just that they didn't show him consistently leading in many of the states that have swung from red to blue on the map. Florida, especially, seems a bit premature. I don't know if a lead in national polling translates into a lead in Florida. Or Ohio, for that matter.

What I am saying is that with all the shift in the national tracking polls, Obama seems to have shifted from a probablility of 264 electoral votes (Kerry+IA&NM) to a probability of 285 electoral votes )Kerry+IA&NM+CO+VA). Anything beyond 285 has not been vouched for in state polls.

Kid G said...

Joey:
You're right, it is a bit of a hike to any phonebank, huh? It looks like most of the offices are strictly positioned along the route 1 corridor. Your best bet if your really serious about it is to join up with one of the NYC chapters. They bus people out of state regularly (more than 100 were in Bucks County, PA a couple of weeks ago). I am sure they are sending people for GOTV out of state. Like I said, the campaign is primarily doing it for people who get training as deputy field organizers, so inquire about that. There are training seminars happening this weekend and next weekend, I believe, so time is running out to look into it.

hurn0003 said...

" PeteKent said...

Ben, Fred will tell you that most of those blue votes in VA are disaffected day traders who could never make money in the markets under Bush like they did under Clinton and are looking forward to the return of the glory years where they can crsuh windows and orphans in the market on a daily basis.

Fred is on record wishing for huge market declines as a way of making Republicans pay for any failure to support the bail out."

This is to discuss the election, if you want to attack a poster on here personally, get there email and do it that way. We don't want to read your personal sniping. Don't be a bore.

Joey said...

I'd still like to why in the side polls NJ is listed as "Likely Dem" yet on the national map it's DARK blue and not medium blue?

fred said...

Petekent-

Fred is clearly on the record as not making this a short term fix about politics (as you are on the record for) but want a long term bipartisan fix as that is what the market and the country needs.

Putting party before country yety again, you republicans are so unpatriotic and sad. Gonna do another surge and kill a thousand or so Americans for political gain? Petekent - killer!

He said...

New SurveyUSA poll out of Virginia:

McCain 49
Obama 42

McCain +7

New Mason Dixon out of Michigan to be released tomorrow morning:

McCain 48
Obama 46

Mac +2

Sorry, libturds, but your delusional fantasies of the magic negro winning is just that: fantasy! LOL!

MARINES FOR McCAIN!
SAY NO TO NEGRO COMMUNISTM!

shadowguidex said...

My brother-in-law, a big Bush supporter who hates government handouts etc, came over last night for a bit. He's not a low info voter, but he certainly isn't consuming all the news constantly like I do. A month ago he was a strong McCain supporter. Anyway, long story short, he was mocking Sarah Palin with me, about how stupid she is and how she should never be allowed to be president. He is probably a bit sexist too, but he just seems to hate her. He said he's giving up and staying home, and added "fuck McCain" when I asked if he's still voting for him. I was dumbfounded since he's really a libertarion type voter. If HE has given up on McCain, I think it might become widespread if Palin really blows it in the debates.

politicalcynic said...

I have to concede (in my cynical fashion) that the numbers are good right now. I'm actually enjoying the "Federal Review" blog site and the Polltrack blog-which are both unabashedly conservative. One gives Virginia to Obama and the other has VA and NC both as toss ups. Both have Obama in the lead. I am also REALLY enjoying the "McCain plus 2%" map at the Princeton site as well-because if you add 2% across the board in all 50 states their snapshot STILL shows Obama winning (which would take care of my "break for the white guy" concerns with undecided voters).

I also note that RCP has moved VA and NC to battleground status from McCain's side of the ledger-where they were for months.

I wonder what McCain's next magic trick will be now that his "watch me pull a bailout out of my hat" trick didn't work? Maybe "see the disappearing woman"? Oh, wait, he's already tried that one....

Political "predicting McCain at 273-but happily starting to think I'm wrong" Cynic.

PS: Gotta tamp down my optimism here-it just doesn't fit my image.

Scraps said...

There isn't going to be any strategy to have Palin cry. Part of her supposed appeal is her toughness. Pit bulls don't cry.

God knows what they're going to do with her, since she has almost no real assets to bring to a debate, but they aren't going to throw away one of the few supposed Palin virtues they've been able to sell to the public.

markymark said...

Current electoral college score if all the blue states on Nates map stay blue is 349-189. Add in the light pink states you can get up to 375.

fred said...

I agree with real joe - the polls are all wrong - it is really McCain by 30.

McCain landslide!

Eric said...

I think Colorado, Virginia, and Pennsylvania are your likely tipping points. These are the polls we should most focus on. Obam likely needs Penn +1 of those 3. I think he'd win all 3 today, but as far as tipping points that's your map right there. Other states are likely to matter a lot less.

Justin said...

@Mike
Yes please cast a no vote to Prop 8!!! Thank you for your support! I'm not in CA unfortunatley...I'm in KS...nothing to really vote for here. No battleground state, no stupid ballot intiatives...and there is no chance Robertson is going to go down to Slattery for the Senate Race.

NC_voter said...

Republican party needs a purging fire to return to its historic ideals.

Kick out the hawkish Neocon warmongers
Kick out the evangelical fundies
Kick out the Corporate blowhards

Then you can talk about getting elected sometime this century. Remember, the long term demographic shifts in this country DO NOT at all favor you.

I, for one, will be doing just great under eight years of the Obama administration. Focus on building yourselves up, not on trying to tear those "liberals" down...

Jon in CA said...

Eric:

My calculations show that the day that's about to drop off the Gallup tracker is 47-44 Obama. If the 3-day tracker is going to move down, Obama has to do worse than that spread.

My prediction is that it'll stay the same, within a point or two.

fred said...

he-

Thnaks for the lowering the discourse to racist levels. Are you Schmidt?

Congratulations to President-Elect McCain!!! said...

Today's polls are WONDERFUL NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!

PorridgeGun said...

SNL: Sarah Palin's disastrous CBS interview with Katie Couric


Tina Fey deserves a shitload of awards just for this skit alone.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/7%2004042/



BTW, I'd hit it. Tina should definately adopt that look.

Joey said...

Kid G:

OK...If I google, what am I looking for exactly? lol

Deadpixel said...

Poor poor pitiful He,

Has to lie to keep his dream,

Hit and run as best he might,

Fails to see he's not so bright.

Eric said...

Did this HE character just make-up polls. Those numbers for Michigan and Virginia sound made up. I assume they are.

hurn0003 said...

I think the future of the GOP has to be a Huckabee type, Social Conservative combined w/ economic populism, Obama would be having a much harder job dealing with him than McCain right now.

miles said...

sarah palin, in summary...

>first watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-qUK6XdDwk

>then watch this:

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/25/palin-on-her-foreign-policy-credentials.aspx

sound familiar?

Kid G said...

joey:

Camp Obama

tibor75 said...

Yeah, I wonder how the early voting is going to help Obama. it was rather amazing that VA started early voting just as the counter-bump by Obama was beginning.

PorridgeGun said...

Actual link:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

Justin said...

@scraps

This is true, forgot about the whole pitbull thing....

Totally unrelated to this board but anyone seen the Yoplait Yogurt commercials with Richard Simmons....few things can take my eyes of this site but that one sure did....wow

DogBitez said...

"Obama could very easily lose, and even if he wins, odds are that there will be at least one more swing back toward McCain in the intervening 37 days."

What? I guess I need more coffee...

He said...

New polls out today:

Gallup:

McCain: 52
Obama: 41

McCain +9

Sorry retards, NoBama's going DOWN.

WHITE IS RIGHT!!!

WHITE ON RICE!!!

fred said...

Palin is a joke, Tina Fay is heroine.

Watch the Couric interview at CBSnews.com and the Tina Fay at nbc.com.

Palin = joke.

Deadpixel said...

He is wrong McCain is up in Virginia by 23! and ahead of Obama by 5!!

mCcAIN lANDSLIDE!!

tibor75 said...

I don't agree that IN is better for Obama than NC. If anything I think his chances in NC are much better than Indiana. Especially with that latest poll from ras showing Obama +5 in virginia. I imagine NC will be + McCain by at least 2-3 compared to VA. If Obama wins VA by 5, he'll probably take NC as well.

Eric said...

Jon in CA said...
Eric:

My calculations show that the day that's about to drop off the Gallup tracker is 47-44 Obama. If the 3-day tracker is going to move down, Obama has to do worse than that spread.

My prediction is that it'll stay the same, within a point or two.

Look at the Gallup chart. I think you're wrong. How did McCain go from down 3 to tied last Thursday and then back down 3 on Friday. The previous three days all look normal. For Obama to jump from tied to up three on Friday, he had to have a really good day of polling on Thursday. more than 3 points. Might only lose 1 tomorow.

Stuart said...

McCain the High-Rolling Gambler is about to take hold (see huffington post).

His gambles resulted in crashing 5 aircraft.

He gambled in picking Palin.

He gambled in switching to "Change"

He gambled on suspending campaign.

Do you want him to gamble with America's futuer?

According to R2K favorables McCain/Palin is in the tank, while Obaman/Biden have plenty of goodwill to serve as a cushion for a very negative 2 week closing game.

fred said...

LOL!

"He" is a new "real joe "character, aren't you?

Real Joe - is that you?

Matt the Dutch said...

Eric, correct me if I'm wrong. When Gallup is showing Obama at +8 today, then this means the average over the last three days is 8? Then if thursday and friday were +4 or +5, yesterday must have been +12 to get to an average of +8. If tomorrow the (thurs)day with +4 falls off and is replaced by a (sun)day with, say, +10 (in line with saturday's result) the average of the three days will move up to +9. That is not the drop you are predicting. Do you expect today's polling result to be only +1 or +2??? Because that is what it takes to get the average down to +6.

Or am I getting this all wrong?

Real Joe said...

why is Obama getting a considerable support from white women ?

not just young white women, middle age & older white women

over the years(70's,80's,90's) more & more white women go out with minority americans ?

has this & the feeding from the media change the minds of our white women ?

i expected white women to be frighten by Obama

did i mention Obama is half black !

Justin said...

@Eric

Yeah those are made up polls, SurveyUSA has no polling out in VA today...just CT (Obama+16) and CA (Obama+10)

Deadpixel said...

"He" just confirmed a new Rasmussen California poll McCain 50 Obama 46!!

Gerbie said...

Congratulations to President-Elect McCain!!! said...
Today's polls are WONDERFUL NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!

Boring

Real Joe said...

fred said...
LOL!

"He" is a new "real joe "character, aren't you?

Real Joe - is that you?

fred its not me

check the id

Nigel said...

That you tube of Romney debating McCain reminds me of why I most feared Romney out of all the Republican potentials - He is smart and has a lot of credentials - his comments at the convention were so weird and not like him at all. All I can think is he is trying to buy support for 2012, how unfortunate for repubs and others that are now writing off the next four years, that Obama will turn out to be like Lincoln with the mess he is being handed, as opposed to Carter.

Deadpixel said...

I almost think "He" is Virginia Conservative showing his true colors.

AnotherMike said...

What more do you want?

Polling average of O+5 or more in PA, NH, MI, MN, WI, CO, IA, and NM, and polling average leads in NV, OH, VA, and FL in November.

Congratulations to Stick in the Ass, Gerbie!!! said...
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shadowguidex said...

The world according to "He":

District of Columbia: McCain 50.01, Obama 49.9
Connecticut: McCain 55, Obama 45
Massachusetts: McCain 50, Obama 21
Utah: Jesus 51, McCain 56, Obama -7

politicalcynic said...

"HE" said:

SAY NO TO NEGRO COMMUNISTM! [sic] in his signature line above.

No need for a rant on my part-but I do want to congratulate whoever is using that signature on his amazing ability to demonstrate the abject stupidity of racism while also providing a case study in the failure of public education under the current administration. And I am even more impressed by his ability to do it in just five words. How amazing.

(And yes-if you're hearing sarcasm-you read this right)

fred said...

Awww, just thought you had skill and could change the ID.

You can you know....

Jon in CA said...

Eric,

Here are the daily results for Gallup that I have since the 21st:

21: 52-41
22: 41-47 (yes, this is screwy, but remember that Gallup doesn't weight for Party ID, so this could be a day with a lot of Republicans)
23: 48-44
24: 49-47
25: 47-44
26: 51-41
27: 52-41

Granted that I can't prove this as a unique solution (unless you go back in the weekly averages yourself and do the same calculations that I did), but the 3-day averages do work out.

And LOL at He - can't even subtract correctly, saying that a 52-41 poll for McCain is +9 McCain. It would be +11, douchebag.

Jonathan said...

Nate, if you want to save time, you can just say "McCain's in deep shit" and we'll all understand :)

fred said...

How long are BO's coatails?

Anyone know if Rahm will get appointed to Obama's seat?

shadowguidex said...

"He - can't even subtract correctly, saying that a 52-41 poll for McCain is +9 McCain. It would be +11, douchebag."


hahahaha. pwned.

Gerbie said...

Congratulations to Stick in the Ass, Gerbie!!! said...
Today's announcement is GREAT NEWS!!! For (stick in the ass) Gerbie!!!

FUCK YOU, GERBIE!!!

Only if you're female...
Sorry no offence intended.

fred said...

Would pawlenty take the VP slot if ofered?

NC_voter said...

Guys if you miss the troll postings, just check out the latest Freeptard polling posts

Some of them are finally starting to acknowledge that Obama is winning! But the real pleasure comes from reading the posts from the freeptards still convinced that stuff like "the bradley affect!!!11!" is keeping this race even...

shadowguidex said...

"Would pawlenty take the VP slot if ofered?"

Holy Lord please! In the outside 19% chance that McCain wins this thing, we can;t have a water-head like Palin as president.

H said...

That's right... FLORIDA IS TURNING BLUE!!!!

The trolls have left all of the sites and have gotten very quiet. Even Drudge can't find anything to throw up on his website this weekend.

Biden will play the debate very cool and take the high road. There will be no reason for him to get nasty. All he will need to do is sit back and allow dumbass Palin speak for herself. Gwen Eiffel is moderating and she will make Palin look foolish enough by asking her tough questions that she cannot answer. Let the black woman do the work just like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler have taken care of her on SNL.

InkStain said...

"Would pawlenty take the VP slot if ofered?"

Not if he's smart.

Blue said...

The news is speculating about whether McCain deserves and credit for the bailout deal. You know who I think deserves credit? Paulson.

The plan he came up with was so God awful they everyone and their brother could agree on it. THAT's what brought both sides to the table. They could all go back to their constituents claiming that they'd stopped the Bush administration's horrible plan.

McCain's stunt messed that up. He dragged party politics back into it and the conservative republicans had to show the flag. If it weren't for McCain, we'd have a deal passed already.

He said...

New Big South poll out today:

North Carolina

McCain: 60
Obama: 39

McCain + 17

To bad libtards!

Sean said...

Regarding NC, PPP polled Wake County (Raleigh) this week (I think Thursday though I could be wrong) and showed a 17 point lead for Obama (55-38). Wake Co. has a population of about 870,000.

In 2004 Bush won Wake C0. by 2 points.


Of course, this is a fake poll, so take it with a grain of salt and a refreshing Joe Cola!

NC_voter said...

He, could you give us the latest polling update out of CO, NM, CA, VT, and Canada? Thanks.

hurn0003 said...

There is 0 shot McCain replaces Palin for a variety of reasons.

1) It is an admission of a failure in decision making which will be heavily criticized.

2) It would require Palin stepping off the ticket willingly, which is an admission by her she has no career in politics after her term as governor is up.

3) How would McCain get someone to jump on his sinking ship of a campaign at this point?

4) Social Conservatives would be mad.

5) Cries of sexism if he doesn't pick another woman.

6) Vetting/approaching the VPs would get out and further hurt the campaign.

As much as we fantasize Palin coming off the ticket and as responsible of decision it would be, McCain won't make it for political reasons.

fred said...

I am not sure, Pawlenty could use the name recognition.

That said, it was Guiliani getting on McCain's plane today. Guiliani would take it, his career is over. Can you imagine the negative campaign ads?

Guuiliani would do SO much better Thursday as a negative attack dog.

AnotherMike said...

I think the future of the GOP has to be a Huckabee type, Social Conservative combined w/ economic populism, Obama would be having a much harder job dealing with him than McCain right now.

I always thought Huckabee would have been McCain's best VP choice. He's the best natural politician among the Republicans, maybe even better skills than Obama. He can take some crzay position and make it sound somewhat rational. Unfortunately for him, I think he really does care about people and sees a government role in helping others which is anathema to much of the Republican party.

PeteKent said...

Thank you, Ink, for your explanation. I'll reflect on it and get back to you.

H said...

They can't take her off the ticket. It is too late. She has already been nominated by their party and she is already on the ballots. Most states are already sending out absentee ballots and starting early voting.

Deadpixel said...

Wow this quote is an astounding moment of truth for FReerepublic...


"To: tatown

“The damage that Bush has done to our party will pay dividends to dem party for years to come.”

No kidding! And what makes me so mad is that so many of our movement leaders like Limbaugh were pretty much saying you HAVE to vote for Bush over McCain in 2000 or else the party will be destroyed. He pulled that same stunt this year in the primaries. Well we went for Bush and look where it got us. The GOP is in a crisis and in terrible shape. I am not saying McCain is ideal but I certainly think we would have been better off if he won back in 2000. He atleast is leading and putting his neck out there on some core principles. He also can complete a sentence here and there.

168 posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:54:04 PM by acsuc99"


I love it! They hate Bush now!

Virginia Conservative said...

McCain knows its over.

I saw him on This Week, and he had the same look on his face Bush 41 in '92 and Bob Dole had in '96 during the last stretch of the campaign.

Terry said...

In case you missed it, McCain is now retracting Palin's comments on Pakistan -- must be embarrassing for him, and she can't be happy about it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Ever seen this much fumbling/bumbling by future world leaders?

PeteKent said...

Justin:

"marrying out of wedlock"

How precisely do you marry our of wedlock?

I didn't know obama has so many values voters among his supporters.

Buit given his support for Wall Street types nothing should surprise me.

InkStain said...

"Guys if you miss the troll postings, just check out the latest Freeptard polling posts"

I keep promising myself I won't read this stuff and mock too much, because DailyKos and MyDD are just as bad, but seriously?

"If this is true then we will have elected a Marxist for president and we can be expected to be carted off to the gulags and reeducation camps. Won’t be long until we are made into soap and our skin into lampshades. This is the Third Reich all over again right here in Obama’s New America. Fascist to the core."


"If I were to say that God is going to avenge the dead of abortion on a national level, anyone gonna listen? Historically, no. But I still have to warn them."

fred said...

anothermike-

Gotta disagree, social conservatives are becoming a smaller and smaller portion of the electorate over time. We have immigration and youth who are less racist and less religious than any prior generation.

We are seeing generational change and idiots like Palin and Huckabee will not play for long.

PorridgeGun said...

McCain's Gambling Problem


New from the NYT:

The article mainly discusses his back handed dealings with casino lobbyists. It also has a completely asinine comment from tucker "sweet cheeks" bounds about the NYT.


Here's a snippet:

For much of his adult life, Mr. McCain has gambled as often as once a month, friends and associates said, traveling to Las Vegas for weekend betting marathons. Former senior campaign officials said they worried about Mr. McCain’s patronage of casinos, given the power he wields over the industry. The officials, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity.

“We were always concerned about appearances,” one former official said. “If you go around saying that appearances matter, then they matter.”

The former official said he would tell Mr. McCain: “Do we really have to go to a casino? I don’t think it’s a good idea. The base doesn’t like it. It doesn’t look good. And good things don’t happen in casinos at midnight.”







Fuck the base! I guess that's how mavericks roll!


Speaking of mavericks, it was really great for him to take on fellow republicans when they were ripping off native americans with astronomical fees....But wait, was it really out of the goodness of his heart? because once he took over the case he was able to take down a few of his rivals and put a bunch of his cronnies on the payroll for the case.


Mr. Hance’s firm billed the tribe nearly $1.3 million over 11 months in legal and political consulting fees, records show. But Mr. Sickey said that the billing statements offered only vague explanations for services and that he could not point to any tangible results. Two consultants, for instance, were paid to fight the expansion of gambling in Texas — even though it was unlikely given that the governor there opposed any such prospect, Mr. Sickey said.

Mr. Hance and Jay B. Stewart, the firm’s managing partner, defended their team’s work, saying they successfully steered the tribe through a difficult period. “We did an outstanding job for them,” Mr. Hance said. “When we told them our bill was going to be $100,000 a month, they thought we were cheap. Mr. Abramoff had charged them $1 million a month.”

The firm’s fees covered the services of Mr. Fletcher, who served as the tribe’s spokesman. Records also show that Mr. Hance had Mr. Weaver — who was serving as Mr. McCain’s chief strategist — put on the tribe’s payroll from February to May 2005.

It is not precisely clear what role Mr. Weaver played for his $100,000 fee.

Mr. Stewart said Mr. Weaver was hired because “he had a lot of experience with the Senate, especially the new chairman, John McCain.” The Hance firm told the tribe in a letter that Mr. Weaver was hired to provide “representation for the tribe before the U.S. Senate.”

But Mr. Weaver never registered to lobby on the issue, and he has another explanation for his work."




And if you think that's not enough, here's a nice little chart laying out all of his connection to the industry

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/09/27/us/politics/20080928_GAMB LING_1.html

Kid G said...

H:
I hadn't thought of the fact that it's already too late because of early voting. Good point!

Joey:
Did that help? It looked like there is one in Brooklyn next weekend.

PeteKent said...

I wonder how much money Mccain saved by suspending his campaign this week?

Will Obama's fundraising suffer b/c of his invetablility?

shadowguidex said...

nc_voter...

They certainly seem gloomy over at FreeRepublic. Tough titties for the newcons. They had their 8-year chance and blew it SO BAD.

Virginia Conservative said...

Inkstain--

Democrat Underground is the Free Republic of the left.

Sullydog said...

@Michael (and everyone else)

I do not believe anyone has ever lost an election when they were polling up 10 going into October.

Yeah, I believe I've heard that before--from George Will, if memory serves. Does anybody have a link or reference for this data? I'd like to have it for a post on my own blog. I was looking for similar data last night but couldn't find it.

If true, it's got to be another point-drop in McCain's stomach pH.

Also, I couldn't help noticing that that bare-glans peckerhead Schmidt (and a number of other GOP surrogates) were on the talk shows this am, claiming that is was Our Hero Johnny Mac who made the bailout deal possible. Setting aside for the moment that everybody in the Cosmos knows that's utter bullshit, suppose for a minute that this meme starts to take hold with the electorate. Is that really good for McCain?

:: doris said...

Almost scary... ;-)

Now, I am looking also for news on how the election itself is being set up. Are there enough ballots printed? Voting places sufficient and in the right places? Machines functioning properly and not "propped up"? International election observation groups invited?

Virginia Conservative said...

Sullydog-

Maybe Thomas Dewey did. That's the only one I can think of that really lost it the last two weeks of October.

Mike said...

NEW POLLS! read them and weep, LIE-berals!!!!!!

Gallap:

McCane: 79%
B.Hussein: 26%

Razmusan:

McCane: 80%
B.Hussein: 25%

even in california home of sick liberal headquarters san franfreako:

New Politizoom Poll California Margin of Arror 0%:

McCane: 60%
B.Hussein: 33%

ITS OVER LIE-BERALS NOBODY IS GOING TO VOTE FOR YOUR SOCIALIST CANDIDATE! GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.!!!!!

Deadpixel said...

FreeRepublic has become totally addictive today!!

fred said...

Hmmm,

Do I get to pick whose skin is on the lampshades? Who wants a nice "petekent"?

MN said...

Okay, here's the deal. I still worry about the Bradley effect. Yes, you showed it might have been exaggerated especially outside "the south" BUT....

....this is the first time people will go into the booths and have a choice between a white man and a black man for the highest single office in the land.

Because it's an unprecedented event for the presidency I worry that when it comes to THE BIG ONE, enough white people just won't be able to do it.

So I'm mentally subtracting 3-4% points from Obama.

tunah said...

Nate:

Nevertheless, as Isaac Chotiner suggests, I believe that the national punditry is understanding the difficulty of the position that McCain finds himself in.

understating?

Joey said...

Thanks Kid G

I've got contact info in my profile if you want to give that to your friend as well. I'd love to talk with them.

Where in NJ are you?

InkStain said...

"Democrat Underground is the Free Republic of the left."

I'll have to check it out.

I keep reading, waiting for *one* freeper to show an understanding of statistics, and I just don't.

One has himself convinced that McCain actually won two of the previous three days on Gallup, but that Thursday was O+17 and about to drop off.

miles said...

you know what, F*** bill clinton. he is NOT upholding his end. it's (more than) fairly obvious he doesn't want obama to get elected. but you know what? the joke's on him, because, when obama DOES get elected, he (clinton) will have burned his bridges.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/28/bill_clinton_talks_obama_mccai.html

Blame said...

I think I know McCains next move.

He will vote against the $700,000,000,000 atempt to prop up Wall Street.

It is unpopular with the public and enough Economists to give the position credability.

After that h will campaign on pure "small goverment"

Sullydog said...

Oh, and in re: RealJoe...

I'm starting to think there is no actual human RealJoe. I think he's an algorithm that somebody wrote, that just automatically composes a post of the formula (random bullshit)+(McCain landslide!!!!) every thirty minutes or so, and fires. Slightly more sophisticated than one of those automatic lawn sprinklers, but not by much.

Virginia Conservative said...

It goes like this, Inkstain:

Daily Kos: Left Wing:: RedState : Right Wing

Democratic Underground: Left Wing:: Free Republic : Right Wing.

niedda said...

Is there any way to get polluters like "HE" from publishing fake polls on this thread?
Assholes like him or, anybody else for that matter, should not be permitted to spread falsity.

Virginia Conservative said...

But he just said he would vote for the bailout. And he voting against it would kill the deal.

fred said...

I agree, McCain will vote against the 700 billion deal, but I think Obama will to. Reid and Pelosi will give him cover.

Schmidt is a small timer and one step behind, or maybe seven steps behind.

Joey said...

kid g
i found their my barack page

don't see one in BK though. next weekend is in queens

NC_voter said...

mm:

Add back 2-3 points for the cellphone effect, as well as a 1-3 for OBama's historic GOTV.

Bradley effect, even it if exists (which all evidence points that it died in the late '90s), would be 1-2% at MOST (and NOT in states like VA, CA, NV, or NC)

Virginia Conservative said...

What part of "I will vote for the bailout" don't you understand?

He's not going to risk the world economy for the sake of his party base.

Modeler said...

Here are my estimates for the Gallup dailies. They suggest that Obama's strength is mostly due to the bailout bill, although the debate didn't hurt.

McCain

09/28/08 | estimated daily result: 41.50, predicted average: 42.21
09/27/08 | estimated daily result: 42.14, predicted average: 43.94
09/26/08 | estimated daily result: 42.98, predicted average: 45.07
09/25/08 | estimated daily result: 46.71, predicted average: 45.63
09/24/08 | estimated daily result: 45.53, predicted average: 44.25
09/23/08 | estimated daily result: 44.66, predicted average: 44.05
09/22/08 | estimated daily result: 42.56, predicted average: 44.02
09/21/08 | estimated daily result: 44.94, predicted average: 44.78
09/20/08 | estimated daily result: 44.55, predicted average: 44.23
09/19/08 | estimated daily result: 44.85, predicted average: 43.88
09/18/08 | estimated daily result: 43.30, predicted average: 44.03
09/17/08 | estimated daily result: 43.50, predicted average: 45.21
09/16/08 | estimated daily result: 45.30, predicted average: 46.69
09/15/08 | estimated daily result: 46.83, predicted average: 46.94
09/14/08 | estimated daily result: 47.95, predicted average: 47.03
09/13/08 | estimated daily result: 46.04, predicted average: 47.08
09/12/08 | estimated daily result: 47.10, predicted average: 47.74
09/11/08 | estimated daily result: 48.09, predicted average: 47.92
09/10/08 | estimated daily result: 48.01, predicted average: 48.12
09/09/08 | estimated daily result: 47.66, predicted average: 48.83
09/08/08 | estimated daily result: 48.68, predicted average: 48.82
09/07/08 | estimated daily result: 50.16, predicted average: 47.83
09/06/08 | estimated daily result: 47.62, predicted average: 45.19
09/05/08 | estimated daily result: 45.71, predicted average: 43.83
09/04/08 | estimated daily result: 42.25, predicted average: 42.32
09/03/08 | estimated daily result: 43.54, predicted average: 42.74
09/02/08 | estimated daily result: 41.16, predicted average: 42.36
09/01/08 | estimated daily result: 43.51, predicted average: 42.81
08/31/08 | estimated daily result: 42.40, predicted average: 42.02
08/30/08 | estimated daily result: 42.51, predicted average: 41.23
08/29/08 | estimated daily result: 41.14, predicted average: 40.97
08/28/08 | estimated daily result: 40.03, predicted average: 42.20
08/27/08 | estimated daily result: 41.73, predicted average: 44.06
08/26/08 | estimated daily result: 44.82, predicted average: 45.62
08/25/08 | estimated daily result: 45.63, predicted average: 45.25
08/24/08 | estimated daily result: 46.40, predicted average: 44.86
08/23/08 | estimated daily result: 43.71, predicted average: 44.09
08/22/08 | estimated daily result: 44.48, predicted average: 43.99
08/21/08 | estimated daily result: 44.09, predicted average: 43.92
08/20/08 | estimated daily result: 43.41, predicted average: 43.22
08/19/08 | estimated daily result: 44.28, predicted average: 43.73
08/18/08 | estimated daily result: 41.96, predicted average: 43.44
08/17/08 | estimated daily result: 44.94, predicted average: 44.60
08/16/08 | estimated daily result: 43.43, predicted average: 44.18
08/15/08 | estimated daily result: 45.42, predicted average: 44.00
08/14/08 | estimated daily result: 43.69, predicted average: 42.91
08/13/08 | estimated daily result: 42.89, predicted average: 42.19
08/12/08 | estimated daily result: 42.16, predicted average: 42.04
08/11/08 | estimated daily result: 41.52, predicted average: 42.02
08/10/08 | estimated daily result: 42.46, predicted average: 42.02
08/09/08 | estimated daily result: 42.08, predicted average: 42.02

Obama

09/28/08 | estimated daily result: 49.40, predicted average: 49.86
09/27/08 | estimated daily result: 49.94, predicted average: 48.93
09/26/08 | estimated daily result: 50.23, predicted average: 47.82
09/25/08 | estimated daily result: 46.63, predicted average: 46.41
09/24/08 | estimated daily result: 46.60, predicted average: 46.75
09/23/08 | estimated daily result: 46.00, predicted average: 46.98
09/22/08 | estimated daily result: 47.64, predicted average: 48.12
09/21/08 | estimated daily result: 47.30, predicted average: 48.97
09/20/08 | estimated daily result: 49.42, predicted average: 49.68
09/19/08 | estimated daily result: 50.18, predicted average: 49.07
09/18/08 | estimated daily result: 49.44, predicted average: 48.03
09/17/08 | estimated daily result: 47.58, predicted average: 46.90
09/16/08 | estimated daily result: 47.06, predicted average: 46.02
09/15/08 | estimated daily result: 46.07, predicted average: 45.10
09/14/08 | estimated daily result: 44.93, predicted average: 45.00
09/13/08 | estimated daily result: 44.30, predicted average: 45.13
09/12/08 | estimated daily result: 45.78, predicted average: 44.83
09/11/08 | estimated daily result: 45.31, predicted average: 44.05
09/10/08 | estimated daily result: 43.40, predicted average: 43.40
09/09/08 | estimated daily result: 43.46, predicted average: 43.73
09/08/08 | estimated daily result: 43.34, predicted average: 44.12
09/07/08 | estimated daily result: 44.39, predicted average: 45.25
09/06/08 | estimated daily result: 44.63, predicted average: 46.83
09/05/08 | estimated daily result: 46.72, predicted average: 47.93
09/04/08 | estimated daily result: 49.15, predicted average: 48.92
09/03/08 | estimated daily result: 47.92, predicted average: 49.21
09/02/08 | estimated daily result: 49.69, predicted average: 49.62
09/01/08 | estimated daily result: 50.01, predicted average: 48.91
08/31/08 | estimated daily result: 49.16, predicted average: 48.28
08/30/08 | estimated daily result: 47.57, predicted average: 48.85
08/29/08 | estimated daily result: 48.09, predicted average: 48.89
08/28/08 | estimated daily result: 50.88, predicted average: 47.74
08/27/08 | estimated daily result: 47.70, predicted average: 45.31
08/26/08 | estimated daily result: 44.64, predicted average: 44.16
08/25/08 | estimated daily result: 43.59, predicted average: 44.79
08/24/08 | estimated daily result: 44.25, predicted average: 45.27
08/23/08 | estimated daily result: 46.54, predicted average: 45.78
08/22/08 | estimated daily result: 45.02, predicted average: 45.15
08/21/08 | estimated daily result: 45.77, predicted average: 45.04
08/20/08 | estimated daily result: 44.67, predicted average: 44.98
08/19/08 | estimated daily result: 44.66, predicted average: 45.15
08/18/08 | estimated daily result: 45.59, predicted average: 45.88
08/17/08 | estimated daily result: 45.19, predicted average: 45.15
08/16/08 | estimated daily result: 46.85, predicted average: 44.73
08/15/08 | estimated daily result: 43.42, predicted average: 44.49
08/14/08 | estimated daily result: 43.91, predicted average: 46.02
08/13/08 | estimated daily result: 46.12, predicted average: 47.50
08/12/08 | estimated daily result: 48.04, predicted average: 47.31
08/11/08 | estimated daily result: 48.35, predicted average: 46.94
08/10/08 | estimated daily result: 45.55, predicted average: 46.94
08/09/08 | estimated daily result: 46.92, predicted average: 46.94

PorridgeGun said...

Conservative Paper Endorses First Democrat For President In 72 Years: Obama

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/A_NEWS0801/809280302

Doug, the subway fugitive. said...

Not so fast, folks. McCain still has a Palin wedding up his sleeve, and I don't think it's beneath him to get this poor girl married before the election.
Honestly, after my first canvassing in NE Philly, it seems (1) there are many undecideds that could be swung by anything, and (2) party ID doesn't mean all that much.

Most of all, Obama should just be seen talking *with* older white blue collar dems every single day.
And expand "Hillary Sent Me"!

couchpotatoxxx12 said...

"He needs to solidify NH, CO, NM, and MI before I jump for joy. This is NOT over."

He has solidified all of them besides New Hampshire...which is inconsequential.

InkStain said...

I'll start checking redstate for my conservative fix.

For the record, I did this a lot in 2004. It was clear all along that Kerry was going to come close and lose, and some of the leftist forums and blogs on Election Night were absolutely hilariously suicidal.

PeteKent said...

Nate has another model. He uses it for his work. It predicted that the ChiSox would win the World Series. The Sox were eliminated from the post-season this afternoon.

CONGRATULATIONS PRESIDENT-ELECT MCCAIN AND VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT PALIN!!!

Ed said...

This so-called "Joe Cola" I keep reading about here. Does it come in a nickel or dime bag? or a glassine envelope, or as a rock in a vial? And how do you smoke....I mean drink it?

NC_voter said...

Wow some of these freeptards must have tinfoil hats that are cutting off the circulation to their brains.

Were these guys DOCTORRONPAUL supporters or something?

Deadpixel said...

Seriously, my heart skipped a beat when I first saw that McCain +7 Viginia poll from "He". It just seemed almost believable coming from Survey USA. They alway publish some wacky results...

Thankfully "He" exposed himself as the lying racist sack of shit that he is with his last comment.

shadowguidex said...

PORRIDGEGUN - YOUR LINKS DONT WORK!!!. .... EVER!

Modeler said...

And for Rasmussen:

McCain

09/28/08 | estimated daily result: 44.41, predicted average: 44.06
09/27/08 | estimated daily result: 43.61, predicted average: 44.15
09/26/08 | estimated daily result: 44.16, predicted average: 44.90
09/25/08 | estimated daily result: 44.67, predicted average: 46.06
09/24/08 | estimated daily result: 45.88, predicted average: 47.07
09/23/08 | estimated daily result: 47.64, predicted average: 47.70
09/22/08 | estimated daily result: 47.68, predicted average: 47.14
09/21/08 | estimated daily result: 47.77, predicted average: 46.97
09/20/08 | estimated daily result: 45.98, predicted average: 47.02
09/19/08 | estimated daily result: 47.17, predicted average: 47.92
09/18/08 | estimated daily result: 47.92, predicted average: 47.95
09/17/08 | estimated daily result: 48.66, predicted average: 47.88
09/16/08 | estimated daily result: 47.27, predicted average: 48.18
09/15/08 | estimated daily result: 47.72, predicted average: 48.90
09/14/08 | estimated daily result: 49.54, predicted average: 49.63
09/13/08 | estimated daily result: 49.44, predicted average: 49.29
09/12/08 | estimated daily result: 49.90, predicted average: 48.77
09/11/08 | estimated daily result: 48.53, predicted average: 47.82
09/10/08 | estimated daily result: 47.87, predicted average: 47.29
09/09/08 | estimated daily result: 47.06, predicted average: 47.85
09/08/08 | estimated daily result: 46.95, predicted average: 47.92
09/07/08 | estimated daily result: 49.55, predicted average: 47.80
09/06/08 | estimated daily result: 47.26, predicted average: 46.28
09/05/08 | estimated daily result: 46.58, predicted average: 45.85
09/04/08 | estimated daily result: 45.00, predicted average: 45.05
09/03/08 | estimated daily result: 45.95, predicted average: 44.99
09/02/08 | estimated daily result: 44.18, predicted average: 45.18
09/01/08 | estimated daily result: 44.82, predicted average: 45.95
08/31/08 | estimated daily result: 46.54, predicted average: 45.76
08/30/08 | estimated daily result: 46.48, predicted average: 45.17
08/29/08 | estimated daily result: 44.25, predicted average: 45.31
08/28/08 | estimated daily result: 44.78, predicted average: 46.67
08/27/08 | estimated daily result: 46.89, predicted average: 46.94
08/26/08 | estimated daily result: 48.34, predicted average: 46.06
08/25/08 | estimated daily result: 45.61, predicted average: 45.08
08/24/08 | estimated daily result: 44.23, predicted average: 45.08
08/23/08 | estimated daily result: 45.41, predicted average: 45.83
08/22/08 | estimated daily result: 45.61, predicted average: 46.14
08/21/08 | estimated daily result: 46.47, predicted average: 45.96
08/20/08 | estimated daily result: 46.36, predicted average: 45.82
08/19/08 | estimated daily result: 45.04, predicted average: 45.38
08/18/08 | estimated daily result: 46.07, predicted average: 45.70
08/17/08 | estimated daily result: 45.04, predicted average: 45.07
08/16/08 | estimated daily result: 45.99, predicted average: 45.11
08/15/08 | estimated daily result: 44.17, predicted average: 45.06
08/14/08 | estimated daily result: 45.17, predicted average: 45.86
08/13/08 | estimated daily result: 45.84, predicted average: 46.09
08/12/08 | estimated daily result: 46.58, predicted average: 45.95
08/11/08 | estimated daily result: 45.86, predicted average: 45.98
08/10/08 | estimated daily result: 45.40, predicted average: 46.19
08/09/08 | estimated daily result: 46.69, predicted average: 46.72
08/08/08 | estimated daily result: 46.46, predicted average: 46.10
08/07/08 | estimated daily result: 47.01, predicted average: 46.00
08/06/08 | estimated daily result: 44.83, predicted average: 46.13
08/05/08 | estimated daily result: 46.15, predicted average: 46.86
08/04/08 | estimated daily result: 47.42, predicted average: 46.85
08/03/08 | estimated daily result: 47.02, predicted average: 46.21
08/02/08 | estimated daily result: 46.10, predicted average: 45.96
08/01/08 | estimated daily result: 45.51, predicted average: 45.93
07/31/08 | estimated daily result: 46.27, predicted average: 46.06
07/30/08 | estimated daily result: 46.01, predicted average: 46.03
07/29/08 | estimated daily result: 45.89, predicted average: 45.95
07/28/08 | estimated daily result: 46.18, predicted average: 44.99
07/27/08 | estimated daily result: 45.77, predicted average: 43.98
07/26/08 | estimated daily result: 43.02, predicted average: 43.35
07/25/08 | estimated daily result: 43.14, predicted average: 43.88
07/24/08 | estimated daily result: 43.88, predicted average: 44.90
07/23/08 | estimated daily result: 44.62, predicted average: 45.34
07/22/08 | estimated daily result: 46.20, predicted average: 45.63
07/21/08 | estimated daily result: 45.19, predicted average: 45.14
07/20/08 | estimated daily result: 45.50, predicted average: 45.21
07/19/08 | estimated daily result: 44.73, predicted average: 45.79
07/18/08 | estimated daily result: 45.40, predicted average: 46.09
07/17/08 | estimated daily result: 47.25, predicted average: 45.89
07/16/08 | estimated daily result: 45.62, predicted average: 45.08
07/15/08 | estimated daily result: 44.79, predicted average: 45.14
07/14/08 | estimated daily result: 44.83, predicted average: 45.89
07/13/08 | estimated daily result: 45.80, predicted average: 45.99
07/12/08 | estimated daily result: 47.03, predicted average: 45.92
07/11/08 | estimated daily result: 45.14, predicted average: 45.25
07/10/08 | estimated daily result: 45.58, predicted average: 44.82
07/09/08 | estimated daily result: 45.03, predicted average: 43.97
07/08/08 | estimated daily result: 43.85, predicted average: 43.36
07/07/08 | estimated daily result: 43.02, predicted average: 43.90
07/06/08 | estimated daily result: 43.22, predicted average: 43.90
07/05/08 | estimated daily result: 45.46, predicted average: 43.90

Obama
09/28/08 | estimated daily result: 49.35, predicted average: 49.92
09/27/08 | estimated daily result: 49.91, predicted average: 49.94
09/26/08 | estimated daily result: 50.52, predicted average: 49.88
09/25/08 | estimated daily result: 49.41, predicted average: 49.13
09/24/08 | estimated daily result: 49.73, predicted average: 48.78
09/23/08 | estimated daily result: 48.26, predicted average: 48.12
09/22/08 | estimated daily result: 48.36, predicted average: 48.02
09/21/08 | estimated daily result: 47.75, predicted average: 47.89
09/20/08 | estimated daily result: 47.95, predicted average: 48.07
09/19/08 | estimated daily result: 47.96, predicted average: 48.05
09/18/08 | estimated daily result: 48.29, predicted average: 47.82
09/17/08 | estimated daily result: 47.89, predicted average: 47.11
09/16/08 | estimated daily result: 47.28, predicted average: 47.07
09/15/08 | estimated daily result: 46.17, predicted average: 47.03
09/14/08 | estimated daily result: 47.76, predicted average: 46.80
09/13/08 | estimated daily result: 47.16, predicted average: 46.15
09/12/08 | estimated daily result: 45.47, predicted average: 46.27
09/11/08 | estimated daily result: 45.83, predicted average: 47.74
09/10/08 | estimated daily result: 47.51, predicted average: 48.03
09/09/08 | estimated daily result: 49.89, predicted average: 47.84
09/08/08 | estimated daily result: 46.68, predicted average: 47.34
09/07/08 | estimated daily result: 46.96, predicted average: 47.91
09/06/08 | estimated daily result: 48.39, predicted average: 48.64
09/05/08 | estimated daily result: 48.37, predicted average: 48.45
09/04/08 | estimated daily result: 49.16, predicted average: 49.72
09/03/08 | estimated daily result: 47.81, predicted average: 50.08
09/02/08 | estimated daily result: 52.20, predicted average: 50.64
09/01/08 | estimated daily result: 50.22, predicted average: 49.19
08/31/08 | estimated daily result: 49.50, predicted average: 49.02
08/30/08 | estimated daily result: 47.83, predicted average: 48.94
08/29/08 | estimated daily result: 49.73, predicted average: 48.81
08/28/08 | estimated daily result: 49.27, predicted average: 47.09
08/27/08 | estimated daily result: 47.43, predicted average: 46.07
08/26/08 | estimated daily result: 44.58, predicted average: 46.22
08/25/08 | estimated daily result: 46.21, predicted average: 47.80
08/24/08 | estimated daily result: 47.88, predicted average: 47.96
08/23/08 | estimated daily result: 49.30, predicted average: 47.97
08/22/08 | estimated daily result: 46.69, predicted average: 47.31
08/21/08 | estimated daily result: 47.92, predicted average: 47.63
08/20/08 | estimated daily result: 47.31, predicted average: 47.13
08/19/08 | estimated daily result: 47.64, predicted average: 47.18
08/18/08 | estimated daily result: 46.43, predicted average: 46.87
08/17/08 | estimated daily result: 47.45, predicted average: 46.89
08/16/08 | estimated daily result: 46.72, predicted average: 46.32
08/15/08 | estimated daily result: 46.50, predicted average: 46.83
08/14/08 | estimated daily result: 45.73, predicted average: 47.11
08/13/08 | estimated daily result: 48.27, predicted average: 47.86
08/12/08 | estimated daily result: 47.34, predicted average: 48.12
08/11/08 | estimated daily result: 47.98, predicted average: 48.02
08/10/08 | estimated daily result: 49.04, predicted average: 47.64
08/09/08 | estimated daily result: 47.05, predicted average: 46.45
08/08/08 | estimated daily result: 46.84, predicted average: 46.90
08/07/08 | estimated daily result: 45.47, predicted average: 46.97
08/06/08 | estimated daily result: 48.38, predicted average: 46.90
08/05/08 | estimated daily result: 47.06, predicted average: 46.15
08/04/08 | estimated daily result: 45.25, predicted average: 46.22
08/03/08 | estimated daily result: 46.14, predicted average: 46.73
08/02/08 | estimated daily result: 47.28, predicted average: 47.00
08/01/08 | estimated daily result: 46.78, predicted average: 47.35
07/31/08 | estimated daily result: 46.93, predicted average: 47.75
07/30/08 | estimated daily result: 48.35, predicted average: 47.77
07/29/08 | estimated daily result: 47.98, predicted average: 47.43
07/28/08 | estimated daily result: 46.98, predicted average: 47.90
07/27/08 | estimated daily result: 47.33, predicted average: 48.77
07/26/08 | estimated daily result: 49.39, predicted average: 49.15
07/25/08 | estimated daily result: 49.57, predicted average: 48.92
07/24/08 | estimated daily result: 48.47, predicted average: 47.95
07/23/08 | estimated daily result: 48.71, predicted average: 46.97
07/22/08 | estimated daily result: 46.67, predicted average: 46.18
07/21/08 | estimated daily result: 45.53, predicted average: 46.07
07/20/08 | estimated daily result: 46.35, predicted average: 46.79
07/19/08 | estimated daily result: 46.33, predicted average: 46.28
07/18/08 | estimated daily result: 47.70, predicted average: 46.73
07/17/08 | estimated daily result: 44.81, predicted average: 46.42
07/16/08 | estimated daily result: 47.68, predicted average: 47.68
07/15/08 | estimated daily result: 46.76, predicted average: 47.08
07/14/08 | estimated daily result: 48.60, predicted average: 46.98
07/13/08 | estimated daily result: 45.89, predicted average: 46.19
07/12/08 | estimated daily result: 46.44, predicted average: 46.87
07/11/08 | estimated daily result: 46.25, predicted average: 47.11
07/10/08 | estimated daily result: 47.91, predicted average: 47.90
07/09/08 | estimated daily result: 47.16, predicted average: 48.12
07/08/08 | estimated daily result: 48.63, predicted average: 48.85
07/07/08 | estimated daily result: 48.58, predicted average: 49.01
07/06/08 | estimated daily result: 49.33, predicted average: 49.01
07/05/08 | estimated daily result: 49.12, predicted average: 49.01

Kid G said...

Joey:
Good. Yeah, Brooklyn, Queens same difference.