We may now be getting a firmer sense of how the electoral map has changed in the post-convention universe:
Where is Obama polling well? In Virginia and North Carolina, where he gets a couple of very strong numbers today. Both SurveyUSA and the ABC/Post poll show him with a lead outside of the margin of error in Virginia, although the latter depends on just which version of the poll you use (we use the registered voter version with third-party candidates included; as of next week, we'll switch over to the likely voter versions). And in North Carolina, Civitas confirms PPP's finding from yesterday and shows the race as a dead heat. Rasmussen is more tepid on both states, but still, the trend on balance is favorable for Obama in this part of the country.
Virginia is now projecting very slightly ahead of Obama's national trendline, and would seem to represent a better pickup opportunity for him than Ohio. I'd assume that the Obama campaign is fairly pleased with that, because this is a state where they overperformed during the primaries, where they have Tim Kaine in the governor's mansion, and where the Republicans don't have quite as much of a ground game, as they are not used to having to defend the state in Presidential cycles (remember, John McCain is mostly relying on George W. Bush's scraps from 2004).
So where isn't Obama polling so well? In Ohio and Pennsylvania, where his numbers remain sluggish. While Obama would very probably win Pennsylvania if the election were held today -- he ticked up a couple of points in Rasmussen's numbers -- it has gradually moved toward Obama's national averages. What that means is that if the national numbers revert to a tie, Pennsylvania may be vulnerable, which is why it has moved up and now rates as the most important tipping point state.
The model's thinking is basically this: in a very close election, Obama probably won't have too many problems flipping enough Bush states. Iowa and New Mexico seem to be absolutely in the bag for him. And somewhere -- maybe Colorado, maybe Virginia, or, somewhat less likely, Ohio, Indiana, Florida, Nevada or North Carolina -- he'll pick up that last state he needs to get him to 269 or 270 electoral votes. We don't know exactly which one of these states he'll flip, but he'd have to have a fairly bad run of luck to come up short in all of them, particularly as they are pretty well diversified across the demographic spectrum. But all of this could be for naught if he blows Pennsylvania or Michigan. Michigan seems to be moving in his direction, whereas Pennsylvania is going the opposite way.
(Why are the states moving in opposite directions? Michigan has notably higher unemployment than Pennsylvania -- meaning that Obama's newfound economic populism may have better resonance there -- whereas Pennsylvania has a lot of pro-life moderate Cathloics, a group with whom Sarah Palin probably performs well).
Obama doesn't appear to have any such problems in Minnesota and Wisconsin, each of which gave him a good poll today, and which probably represent big teases for McCain. But he does have trouble in New Hampshire, where the University of New Hampshire gives McCain a 2-point lead. This was a weird little poll -- it was in the field for a week and there are different versions floating around of its numbers -- but UNH has a strong track record, and with little other polling to look at in the Granite State, it needs to be taken seriously.
9.22.2008
Today's Polls, 9/22
by Nate Silver @ 9:31 PM...see also florida, georgia, michigan, minnesota, nevada, new hampshire, new jersey, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, rhode island, south dakota, today's polls, virginia, wisconsin
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"8 out of ten polls in VA in September have come out with McCain on top. "
I count a lot more than 10. Are you averaging?
Ignore that last message, joshua. That was the troll. I'm the real one. You're scum because you dare to go against the Obama Fest taking over this country. There is no room for dissent. We are going to win even if we have to get every thug in Chicago to help us spread our message. And you stand against us. That makes you slime.
I always like looking at the tipping point chart first to get a feel for the pulse of the election.
The more "traditionally blue" the leading tipping points are, the more trouble McCain is in because he will have to reach into less probable states, and vice versa. Right now PA's leading status, along with MI being on top during other Obama leads, are examples of this; conversely, VA, CO, and FL tended to be higher on average when Obama was at risk.
inkstain,
congratulations on your impersonation occasion!
How many times do you fucking GOOPER idiot trolls have to keep screaming "BRADLEYAFFECT!!!" and get proven to be full of shit before you stop posting.
Guess what? Your parroted bullshit isn't working. Maybe instead of practically jerking off to the thought of racism, you should be doing something to help your boy JMAC who it appears is getting a worse beating in the polls every day...
Oh, now the impersonator has my name according to his blogger profile. Yay.
"its the 800 lb. gorilla no one wants to talk about in the room"
nah, that would be your latent homosexuality when you're hangin out at the parents house, reality check.
Clearly the media has been in the bag for McCain from the beginning. He wooed them with the "straight talk express" back in 2000 and they've been waiting all along to support him once again. Every reporter I know is saying "Obama who?" and running off to cover McCain and his elegant running mate. Obama can not get any positive coverage through the morass of the media so taken by McCain. There is no way Obama can overcome both McCain and the media. And having all the celebrities come out in favor of McCain is really hurting him too. People in this nation do what celebrities tell them. I've seen "Team America" I know how it works.
What is the Bradley "Affect" anyway? Is that when you decide to act like Bradley?
Come on impersonator. I'm waiting. Make it good! My real id ends in "33019" and the impersonator ends in "83214"
Impersonator's profile:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/08742999642953783214
First debate on national security, Obama should tie in the economy. How do we keep pouring 10 billion a month into Iraq in addition to the 700 billion bailout?
Sam,
Exactly!
Whether or not it exists, it is the Bradley Effect not Affect.
Come on people, basic English
I am going to be sad to have to stop reading comments because they are just too offensive.
Please, Nate, isn't there something that can be done?
Hmm, that kinda sucked Mr. Impersonator. I think you tried to mock me as if I were a McCain supporter. "Tried" being the operative word.
Exists because the racism.
Bradley Effect is racism not an "effect".
I agree. It is getting somewhat mean in here. Let's just all agree to stop the impersonating and have a reasonable conversation. I happen to believe Obama is the best candidate but I'm willing to hear why McCain would be better. Can we all agree to this?
Thanks
i agree that GA is the most bizarre poll.
an enormous black population and a huge liberal city.
fi NC is a tie, GA is probably McCain +5.
Eve,
Don't let the trolls upset your sensibilities.
Seems like Obama has surged based on the economic news. Why is McCain even close. Unless Rasmussen is cooking the books. Do you really think NC or Virginia are very close?
"but I'm willing to hear why McCain would be better"
The only way he'd be better is if Palin gave free blowjobs at each campaign stop.
Thanks Bill,
that really contributes to the conversation
Virginia is very close, NC not much but the numbers are not pretty for McCain.
Reality check, what 800 pound Gorilla? He is black. Oh wait...
First off in your world, are you proud of a country that can't select a black man to win the presidency simply because he is black?
Does that make you happy? Are you one of those voters?
The country is prepared for a black president. I think racism, especially those under 40, doesn't mean the same thing as people older.
I am 31, and the civil rights movement is a history lesson.
Everyone under the age of 40 wasn't around for the Vietnam War (or at least wasn't in Kindergarten). There is a monumental shift happening in electoral politics that may burst through this year, but is likely going to hit in 2012 and 2016.
Look at the map, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and less so Arizona (if it weren't for McCain, it would be in play) are trending dem because of the Hispanic vote. California, the home of Ronald Regan, is gone to the GOP.
There is a shift coming in politics. If Obama wins this election, it destroys the electoral map. Obama would have own without winning a Southern sate. Obama can win this thing, quite plausibly and probably even the favorite, with not a single state of the Confederacy. That is a titanic electoral shift.
We can pooh pooh ODUMBO, but he may very realign the political atmosphere in the country for decades to come. Nixon's Southern strategy will have finally been defeated.
wow, you ask for civil conversations then someone like bill go's and say's somthing stupid like that.....there will never be a civil converstatio again in this world.
Just saw this ad on fox News:
A man and a woman were walking to church and they were holding their bibles.
They were talking about their bibles and how they like to live their lives according to the bible.
Louise brings up the fact that Obama accused people like her and Harry of clinging to their bible.
Harry said," I thought Obama was a Christian." Louise said, " Christians don't accuse other Christians of clinging to their bible,"
Harry said, " Is Barack Hussein Obama a christian."
Interesting observation about PA. It seems even Nate is admitting it is up for grabs.
For McCain the playing field has gotten very narrow.
He need only flip PA and hold OH and FL and he can win, with or without CO, NM and VA.
I think Nate is extrapolating too much from that one MI polls. Most have shown it similarly tight. Most likely if PA flips so will MI and OH will be safe and we will say "Good Morning President-Elect McCain!"
VA will be a footnote in this election.
The battle will be for PA.
widmer--Honestly there's no reason GA should be close at all...it's moved rightward faster than almost anywhere in the country (went from a 1% Clinton win in '92, to a 1% Dole win in '96, to 12% Bush in '00, to 17% Bush in '04.)
Johnny, reality check is an stupid racist.
Don´t lose time for answer it.
Johny
Good points. But we shouldn't presume that everyone who votes against Obama does so for racist reasons. Just like not everyone who votes against McCain does so for ageist reasons or against Palin because they're misogynists. People may just reject Obama because of his core beliefs.
Then Bill said, "screw those Republican so-called 'christians' and their bibles. When the husband's at work, the wife's banging the next door neighbor. What a bunch of hypocrites."
One other thing, I know McCain is for a Resolution Trust solution for the financial crisis with bi-partisan adminsistration and oversight.
Obama has yet to issue a competing declaration.
Where does he stand on the bailout??
Is he ready to lead?
Or just to vote "present"?
Pete, MI is leaning Obama right now, not a toss-up. PA yes and it´s obvious because PA is more conservative than MI.
McCain has a lot of experience with the Resolution Trust after being a Charter Member of the Keating 5.
Colorado is going to be decided in Larimer, Weld, and Jefferson Counties. In 2006, Gov Bill Ritter (a Denver DA) won the election by running healthy margins in these counties. I grew up in Larimer and have family there still. Obama opened up an office in Fort Collins (pop 115k) and he's running strong.
Hate to burst your bubble petey... but the battle is pretty much over.
Your boy JMAC can't crack a single poll even during his palin honeymoon, and now that it's over the polls have been trending back toward Obama.
This is a state that kerry won, DESPITE George bush holding steady leads in during September.
Remember, JMAC hasn't led ONCE.
Or are you still banking on those mysterious unpolled mountain folk voters you were talking about yesterday? They're the ones that Santorum used to win, right?
Anyone hear about the Palin lesbian porn video October surprise?
I'm sure McCain is for the Resolution Trust solution. He's been through this before with the Keating Five scandal and probably has a shitload of skeletons in his closet leading to this collapse, too. Once a crook, always a crook.
I said this about 125 comments ago...
We know there is a N-Effect in the Northeast and the Western regions (of PA).
This is what the conservatives mistakenly call the Bradley Effect. As it has been explained a hundred times on this board, there is no Bradley Effect. People who will not vote for a black man are not supporting him in the polls. They are already telling pollsters, and I quote...
"There ain't no way I'm voting for that N-word."
Hence, the N-Effect.
And, Johnny, you make a fine argument. But there are more people who say what I say above than there are people like you in swing regions of swing states.
PA is more conservative then MI? really? i alway's thought it was the other way around since they'v hardly talked about PA untill recently as a battle ground. i alway's thought MI was more republican the PA.
Do the Amish and Mennonite vote?
In Pennsylvania, at least, there may need to be more 'Biden-Putting-His-Arm-Around-Obama' events. The 'Its OK, folks...this man is one of us!' Strategy. Does that admit that Obama needs help with this demographic? Damn straight it does. And Biden can help a bit. I'd personally like to see more of them standing and smiling together, playing the 'Buddy Flick' card in Pennsylvania.
"there is no Bradley Effect"
But is there a Bradley Affect?
pete baby
Shh. Yes you may have the facts backing you up but it doesn't fit the story we're trying to tell. Obama has approximately 800 million paths to victory. That's what we want everyone to believe. Even if all 57 states go for McCain we want people to know Obama will somehow pull it off. So shh.
Bill, if your going to only say stupid thing's could you go somewere else where dumb people want to hear that junk. it get's tiring hearing it from a bunch of idiots. you'd be doing us a favor.
"Do the Amish and Mennonite vote?"
How about the Quakers?
I agree with Johnny in the sense that if Obama wins he'll be the first in decades to win without KY, TN, LA, AR, and probably semi-southern Missouri; however, as far as "eliminating the Southern Strategy" goes, Virginia remains one of his clearest paths to winning.
Only thing is I think someone like Jindal could easily undo the new "Western Strategy" in 2012, especially since I'm not convinced either party can fix the current economic issues and will suffer from it, and electoral vote shifts will favor the red southern and western states.
NC: we havent even had one debate yet.
I dont see Obama cracking 50% in many polls either. I think he has hit his ceiling and he will side down in the national polls for the rest of the week.
Whoever the people prefer in the first debate will go up in the polls after that. Might even be McCain? It's possible, right?
As for PA, there are many there who hate him for what he said. Caught on tape in San fran making fun of them. Not good.
Catholics are not going to support Obama the same as they did Kerry who was after all a co-religionist.
Then Joshua said, "but Sarah, I don't swing that way. How about Todd?"
Sam:
The "bradley effect" is an antiquated effect that has never been proven to exist, and might have only existed over 20 years ago.
The "BradleY AFFECT!!!!!" is a GOP talking point used by JMAC-action-center trolls who are nearly creaming themselves at the thought of racists putting their guy over the top.
They'll admit one day that it doesn't exist though. Probably sometime around when President Obama takes the oath of office.
And it goes without saying the Obama is pure as the driven snow. Yes I called McCain a crook. The guy has skeletons in his closet like crazy. But as far as I know Obama didn't even know Rezko. Never met him. Not once. And Ayers? Didn't even live in the same town as him. Moved to Gary, IN the day he heard Ayers was coming around. Rev. Wright? Come on, have you actually ever SEEN a picture or video of Obama there at Trinity? I didn't think so. Obama went to the Second Church of God just down the street. He never stepped foot in Wright's sanctuary.
Mr. Impersonator fails horribly at impersonating Dario.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/12497037307741924368
Give it up kid.
Oops I mistyped that. It should read http://www.blogger.com/profile/00343117495910933019
Get lost loser.
No, no we haven't. If you are banking on the fact that the debates help your guy, well, I have a feeling you are going to be in for a disappointment.
First it was "obama hasn't cracked 50% he's in trouble!!!!". Now it's "i dont see him cracking 50% that often"? Shouldn't you be concerned that your boy JMAC can't seem to crack 45%?
Anything is possible.
Yes, and those people have already decided not to vote for him. The people that message most affected were folks that were most likely in JMAC's camp anyways.
Ooh good to know that you have some kind of insight into the mind of all catholics.
Pete, what is your opinion on Part time working, Hockey/Badminton moms affecting the map this year? Enough to swing New Jersey? Will it be offset by arugla farming, basketball uncles?
Inkstain:
"I think Obama will not only win all 57 states but Europe as well. He truly is the saviour we have been waiting for."
All the 57 states, plus Europe, and all Asia, and - of course - Africa, and - perhaps - Oceania, and - most humbly - the rest of America (Latina & Canadian).
Frankly, I don't know what the Republicans are afraid of: post-Obama USA will make the "Manifest Destiny" look like children's play...
"NC: we havent even had one debate yet."
Well, you managed to tell the truth for once, but how many elections turn from this point on, debates or no?
Yeah... you can keep impersonating me all you want to. I don't really give a shit one way or the other. But folks here aren't stupid and know the difference.
I posted earlier that these forums were going to shit anyhow, so by all means - keep it up! It'll speed up Nate shutting them down or coming up with some other solution. You might be having fun annoying the shit out of people here, but in the long run you're helping all of us out. So, thanks kid.
States which polls close at 7:00pm ET.
Indiana- Tossup
Kentucky- McCain-Palin(R)
Georgia- McCain-Palin(R)
South Carolina- McCain-Palin(R)
Vermont- Obama-Biden(D)
Virginia- Obama-Biden(D)
Obama-Biden(D)16ev
McCain-Palin(R)31ev
7:30pm ET
Ohio- Tossup
North Carolina- Tossup
West Virginia- McCain-Palin(R)
Obama-Biden(D)16ev
McCain-Palin(R)36ev
8:00pm ET
Alabama- McCain-Palin(R)
Connecticut-Obama-Biden(D)
Delaware-Obama-Biden(D)
District of Columbia-Obama-Biden(D)
Florida- Tossup
Illinios-Obama-Biden(D)
Maine-Obama-Biden(D)
Maryland-Obama-Biden(D)
Massachusetts-Obama-Biden(D)
Mississippi-McCain-Palin(R)
Missouri-Tossup
New Hampshire-Tossup
New Jersey-Obama-Biden(D)
Oklahoma-McCain-Palin(R)
Pennsylvania- Obama-Biden(D)
Tennessee- McCain-Palin(R)
Obama-Biden(D)112ev
McCain-Palin(R)69ev
8:30PM ET
Arkansas- McCain-Palin(R)
Obama-Biden(D)112ev
McCain-Palin(R)75ev
9:00PM ET
Arizona- McCain-Palin(R)
Colorado- Obama-Biden(D)
Kansas-McCain-Palin(R)
Louisiana-McCain-Palin(R)
Michigan-Obama-Biden(D)
Minnesota-Obama-Biden(D)
Nebraska-McCain-Palin(R)
New Mexico-Obama-Biden(D)
New York-Obama-Biden(D)
Rhode Island-Obama-Biden(D)
South Dakota-McCain-Palin(R)
Texas-McCain-Palin(R)
Wisconsin-Obama-Biden(D)
Wyoming-McCain-Palin(R)
Obama-Biden(D)198ev
McCain-Palin(R)145ev
10:00pm ET
Iowa- Obama-Biden(D)
Montana-McCain-Palin(R)
Nevada-Tossup
Utah- McCain-Palin(R)
Obama-Biden(D) 205ev
McCain-Palin(R) 153ev
It is safe to predict that Obama-Biden will be the next President of the United States.
If We give McCain-Palin all of the Tossup States.
1)Indiana
2)North Carolina
3)Ohio
4)Florida
5)Missouri
6)New Hampshire
7)Nevada
This gives McCain-Palin(R)246ev
11:00PM ET
1)Alaska(12:00AM)-McCain-Palin(R)
2)North Dakota- McCain-Palin(R)
3)Hawaii- Obama-Biden(D)
4)Idaho-McCain-Palin(R)
5)Oregon-Obama-Biden(D)
6)Washington-Obama-Biden(D)
Obama-Biden(227ev)
McCain-Palin(256ev)
California- gives Obama 282ev needed to win the White House.
Obama-Biden needs to win.
Virginia
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire
PA,OH,or MI.
One more impersonation and there's going to be some head cracking going on.
Congratulations to President-Elect McCain!!! said...
Today's polls are SURREAL NEWS!!! For John McCain!!!
For once I agree with CTPEM.
*McCain sees the latest polls*
"I'm losing Virginia???? North Carolina is a tie??? WTF??? This is freaking surreal!!!"
Yup.
Soon the Republic party will know the bitter taste of defeat. Barack Obama will be an outstanding American President.
nkpolitics. you should put VA in obama's collum yet, it's not even close to be safe for anyone. MO should be lean mccain insted of tossup. mccain's been up 4-7 point's in the last poll's done there. and PA is a tossup as of now. and it probly will stay that way untill election day same as VA thoses are the only two i would change in your map.
Jesus man, you really suck at the whole impersonation thing. Come on! If you're gonna waste your time doing this, don't half-ass it.
Amish do not vote.
Mennonites do, and tend to vote Republican, though they oppose the war. They are like Amish, but they drive.
Quakers do vote, and tend to vote Democratic. There is an organization called the Friends Committee on National Legislation.
It's definitely Obama's to lose. I wouldn't worry too much about Pennsylvania. It will be relatively close, but as long as Obama and Biden continue to have a presence there, they should be fine.
Demockracy.com
"if you libs were really serious about winnning this election..."
You realize Obama is ahead in the polls, right? You might have an argument if Obama was tanking, but he's ahead.
Don't forget that McCain has been pushing as hard as he can in PA for the last several weeks - he is drastically outspending Obama (in the Philly region at least) but he has only been able to get within 2% or so.
It's the same story as always - Republicans can get close but they can't the last few percentage points to draw even.
In the Philly burbs, there is no excitement for McCain. There are more linger W'04 bumperstickers than McCain bumperstickers. On my way home from work, I counted 1 McCain sticker, 4 W'04 stickers, and 9 Obama stickers.
Plus, don't dare forget... Pennsylvania has registered 500,000 new voters. And also, Penn State is one of the largest public universities in the country, and Obama is planning a huge rocket concert/rally (Grateful Dead reunion!) there soon.
Note per Ras McCain has broken 50% in each of OH, FL and VA. Obama rarely reaches that mark.
By the way, I saw we get two Colorado polls tomorrow. Hopefully they continue the swing towards Obama.
Demockracy.com
Demockracy.com
My, what wonderful polls today... for Barack Obama!
I do wonder if people even know what the Bradley Affect is.
They know what it is. The odd thing is that they are supposed to deny any such thing exists. We are all post-racialists and the only racists in the world are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They are supposed to be so color-blind they don't even know the other guy is black.
Watching them pin their hopes on an under the radar, racist vote is delicious. All to elect John McCain whom they hate anyway. What an inglorious end to a useless pack of dunces.
Petey you didn't answer my question.
Will the Equestrian aunts be offset in the midwest by squash playing god-fathers? Will the under-polled presence of good ol' fashion god-fearing presbyterian midgets be enough to swing PA, WI, or MI?
What do the GOP talking points have to say about it??
Polls trending more blue
Sockpuppets making no sense
Obama Biden win
Interesting note: Obama spoke today in the same arena in WI that Palin filled to capacity last week. it was reported he had one-thrid of the seats unfilled.
NC_voter said...
Petey you didn't answer my question.
Will the Equestrian aunts be offset in the midwest by squash playing god-fathers? Will the under-polled presence of good ol' fashion god-fearing presbyterian midgets be enough to swing PA, WI, or MI?
What do the GOP talking points have to say about it??
---------------
Silly, NC...
It's the trees! It's gotta be the trees.
PeteKent said...
"I dont see Obama cracking 50% in many polls either. I think he has hit his ceiling and he will side down in the national polls for the rest of the week."
Ummm... if Obama's ceiling is 50%, then that's damn good. It's not like he has to get 60% of the people to vote for him. Hell, given the nature of the EC votes, he probably only needs about 49% to win it all.
Please run a multidimensional state trends analysis -- it would be very informative!
If you did an analysis where you take each state's trends (expressed as a time series over time, subtracting the state's mean level) as an input, you could come up with a similarity metric over state trends. This would tell you, for example, which states tend to move together, which tend to move opposite each other, which states most closely follow national trends, etc. It might clarify why Ohio and Virginia move in opposite directions relative to national trends, and other potentially useful information.
I'd be happy to expand on how to do this if anyone is interested.
Nick
Ok petey I need your help, seriously. If we use the traditional statistic of seats-filled in the standard election prediction equation, what do I put as the Z-value??
[sqrt(empty chairs) - cricket moms / Z(# of trees statewide)*1/BradleyAffect!!!! + "the fundementals of our economy are strong"]
Wait, I think my tree numbers may be off as well. Can I replace that number with any other quantity of shrubbery?
Obama Strategy is AMTRAK.
DC to Baltimore.(VA,DC,MD)
Baltimore to Philadelphia(MD,DE,PA)
Philidephia to NYC(PA,NJ,NY)
NYC to Boston(NY,CT,RI,MA)
plus VT,NH,and ME 130ev.
Chicago Metro Area- (IL,IN,and WI)172ev. plus MN and IA- Anti War Upper Midwestern States. 189ev.
CO,NM,and NV (the three battleground Southwestern States)208ev.
CA,HI,OR,and WA- Pacific West Coast.
I didn't realize the Amish didn't vote; I did know that in Ohio the Amish areas were super-red (Holmes and eastern Geauga counties.)
"Interesting note: Obama spoke today in the same arena in WI that Palin filled to capacity last week. it was reported he had one-thrid of the seats unfilled"
Dude, just stop talking about my state, you don't know shit about Wisconsin and never will. Green Bay is the city, and that's a red leaning city. Obama's speech was at 9am, a time when Wisconsinites are WORKING. Yes, we work here in Wisconsin and can't afford to take off work to go to political rallies at 9am. Palin's was at prime time when Wisconsinites are not working.
Palin got a crowd of 60,000 in Fl over the weekend.
"Palin got a crowd of 60,000 in Fl over the weekend."
Yeah, that's a good sized crowd. The rally was in Orlando IIRC, a usually reddish area and a huge population.
60,000 is huge. People had to wait hours to see her. She is a phenom. A giant killer.
Actually that "60000" claim has been discredited.
It was merely an estimation that the McCain campaign cherry picked from someone who they grille for an answer, who even admitted that there is no reasonable way to tell.
others put the number around 20,000.
"60,000 is huge. People had to wait hours to see her. She is a phenom. A giant killer."
Luckily for us, petekent, Obama doesn't need Florida since it's that close and Palin is drawing good sized crowds. A state with a population of 18,250,000 getting 60,000 votes, thats a whopping huge 0.003% of the people. That's HUGE!! It's over for Obama there, whew! a big 'ol 60,000 peeps, jesus Christ.
I don't understand why people say McCain is stronger on foreign policy. I understand that he polls better in that area but is that all there is to it?
All I've ever heard are sound bites and gaffes on the topic. Can anyone point me to anything McCain has said in this campaign that would convince me he has even a glimmer of understanding of foreign policy?
If there's something to worry about, it's the Democratic Congress giving McCain his next campaign lie.
glix-
He isn't all the good on foreign policy, imo. He's the dumbass who said on Meet the Press in 2003 that the Iraq war would be "easy" and over in "a matter of days, not weeks". His foreign policy knowledge is actually really limited despite his service in the armed services committee. He IS good at knowing our armed forces inside and out, but foreign policy not so much. He was not on the foreign affairs committee AFAIK, just the armed services committee.
"Note per Ras McCain has broken 50% in each of OH, FL and VA. Obama rarely reaches that mark."
Obama hit 51% in two Virginia polls released today - y'know, they're the topic of this thread.
What in hell happened in here? Who let the crazy have a moron orgy? I think it's even talking with itself.
Clearly, a sign of the best kind.
Dude, just stop talking about my state, you don't know shit about Wisconsin and never will. Green Bay is the city, and that's a red leaning city.
*cough* Milwaukee *cough* Madison.
Jack, Nate has been really consistent about taking RV>LV this far out from the election. He is going to flip to LV>RV next week. I expect you'll have another hissy fit then too.
As far as poll over/underperformance, I think Nate's leaning of undecided voters was a pretty sharp way to address that fact.
Let me also point out that Obama has bled a couple points of support in Gallup/R2000 over the last few days, and that the state polls seem to lag the national polls by a couple days, so things should tighten a bit.
At the same time, we're rapidly approaching a situation where Obama locks up CO and McCain has to take away PA. (There just aren't any realistic scenarios where NH matters. Obama will win CO if he wins NV.) PA hasn't moved much with any of the various bounces. Not sure what to make of that. Maybe McCain should trot out the "bitter" comment at one of the debates.
Forget the coughs, I bet McCain loses Janesville fer Christ's sake. WI is gonna be blue as hell.
Mr. Hendricks dies and Janesville goes blue. Wow, indeed.
Not sure if you all saw this. Pretty funny:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
"Forget the coughs, I bet McCain loses Janesville fer Christ's sake. WI is gonna be blue as hell."
Janesville went Blue last time. We have a GM plant here, and it's going under after 85 years, no more GM in Janesville. We were blue before in 23/24 wards...this year we'll be ..
Another post up, move to different place guys.
*sniff sniff*
Whew, obtuse generalizations about the horrors of an Obama presidency, blatant racist comments, using other peoples' UIDs....
The stench of desperation emanating from the fringe right-wingers on this thread is virtually overwhelming.
Both SurveyUSA and the ABC/Post poll show him with a lead outside of the margin of error in Virginia, although the latter depends on just which version of the poll you use (we use the registered voter version with third-party candidates included; as of next week, we'll switch over to the likely voter versions)
This is bad--very bad. You've said in the past that you use likely voter numbers where available, and learning that you don't use the methodology that you've posted about in the past upsets me greatly.
I say this as a stark raving mad Obama fan.
There is no such thing as the Bradkey "Affect"{ uinless you are talking about your feelings for someone named Bradley. It's the Bradley "Effect,".
AS to whether it exists. yed it does. There are people out there who will lie to a pollster about their intent because of fear of feeling denigated in the pollster's eyes should they reveal theri true intentions.
Question #1: Why would anylie lie to a com=puter in robopolls - since there is no live person on the other end of the line?
Question # 2: how many of such people are there out there? Is is enough to make a measureable impact? By definition, we cannot know until after the election, since the terms refers to a sifference between reported intent and actual voting behavior.
Current research tends to downplay the likelihood of such an effect's being significant today, regardless of what has happened 20-30 years in the past.
Remember 50 years ago Blacks could get lynched for trying to vote.
Nate...just ignore all the crap, keep being true to those who value factual info and appreciate your efforts. We thank you and are your true readers each and every day. Stay safe in your travels and we all look forward to the more frequent updates when you get home...that was meant with a grain of salt as you might say, on the road stuff means just as much to us.
Bob
It's funny Obama would go back to Penn State where he called the football team the "Nittaly Lions" --twice, showing his lack of football knowledge. Joe Pa must have had a fit.
Johnny, you must have missed the recent AP/Yahoo study showing racist attitudes among white Democrats. There will be a Bradley effect all right, we just don't know how much of one. The states where it is most likely to make a difference are OH, PA, NH, MI, FL, and VA.
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I think you have to look at the history of polling in certain states. Pennsylvania was all over the place in the polls preceding the last few Presidential elections.
I'm happy to be up in Virginia and not Ohio if it can't be both, but it seems counterintuitive to me.
Since the Ohio economy is worse than the Virginia one, I would think that worsening national economic conditions would create a bigger shift towards Obama there.
After all, in 2004 the Florida economy was doing pretty well and Bush won by a few points while barely winning Ohio, which was the flip side from 2000 (when Florida was doing better than Ohio and Gore was the incumbent party).
McCain will be forced at some point to put money into defending IN, NC, VA, and NV.
Ironically, if you look at migration patterns, those states were all affected by the economic paralysis of the 1970s in big ways. They all lost or took in economic refugees, Reagan came in, and they became red states for a generation.
Now their kids are revolting against the GOP.
Indiana lost population to AZ and CA. Two congressional districts were lost from 11 in 1978.
NC and VA are now feeling the pain of 30 years of industrial and agricultural policy that has buckled their rural economies. Throw in new residents from the northeast and midwest with college degrees and Obama's numbers begin to make sense.
NV is feeling the pain. Top three in the nation for foreclosures. Even the casinos are feeling it. Barring that, you have a population that is more of the other 49 states than it is native Nevadan. Las Vegas was the fastest growing city in the US a few years back. The shift in numbers does not surprise this observer.
We are a generation past Jimmy Carter. I remember people crucifying him for high gas prices and high interest rates. But the gas prices were relatively high and at least the high interest rates staved off collapse of the economy. Foreclosures by the bushel basket were not the norm and a wholesale bailout of Wall Street would have given Reagan a 538 EV win. Truth is, things are much worse now.
IN, NC, VA, and NV may be indications that the negative sentiment of party brand name toward the GOP is stronger than we can gauge in a poll.
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