Although we think that John McCain may still be in the midst of some sort of convention bump, so far there has been no real letting up of his improved performance in state-level polling:
Ignore, for a moment, the series of Internet-based polls that John Zogby released today. What else do we see?
We see John McCain continue to consolidate his advantage in red states like Utah and South Dakota.
We see Nevada polling pretty close to the national averages, as it has all year. Right now, our model forecasts a 2.2-point victory for John McCain in Nevada, versus a 2.4-point victory nationwide. Just as was the case when Barack Obama was leading in the national polls, the key metric for determining resource allocation is not a state's standing in the absolute sense, but where it stands relative to the national numbers. Nevada remains an important state because it's polling so close to the national averages. Conversely, something like Wisconsin, though certainly winnable for John McCain, is polling about 7 points better for the Democrats than their national estimate, which means that it is unlikely to be a decisive state. New Jersey is also a good example. We see some evidence that it has tightened (Marist has him 7 points ahead among registered voters -- the version we will use until the first debate -- but just 3 points ahead among likely voters). But it is still polling at a considerable enough distance from Obama's national averages that it is unlikely to serve as any sort of tipping point.
We do see a couple of polls showing Obama's numbers holding up reasonably well in the Pacific Northwest, though the Elway poll in Washington is a bit weird. They split their sample into two, using different phrasings for each group; half the sample was asked a question that included the names of the VP candidates (e.g. "Barack Obama and Joe Biden") and half got the top of the ticket only. Obama led by 9 points with the veeps included and 6 points without. Each of these are perfectly valid ways to ask the horse race question, so we simply average the two numbers and combine the samples.
...As for the Zogby Interactive polls, I tend to prefer to let them speak for themselves. Obama ahead in North Carolina but 6-7 points down in Virginia? I don't find that especially credible. Anyway, they're in our model, but given a very low weight.
I've also made one methodological fix. Alaska, because of the selection of Sarah Palin, was having some weird effects on our various sorts of regression analysis that we use throughout our model. Alaska has a lot of young voters, for instance, and so when the model sees that McCain has picked up 20 points or so in Alaska, it says "Gee Whiz! Obama must be tanking among young voters!". So in other states with a lot of young voters, like Colorado, Obama was getting harmed by this, whereas the opposite might have been true in a state without many young voters like Florida. But really this pattern had nothing to do with young voters, and everything to do with the fact that Alaska is Sarah Palin's home base; it hadn't manifested itself in other states with substantial youth populations. To correct for this, I have simply pulled Alaska (and Delaware) from the sample whenever we're calculating a regression, which produces what I find to be somewhat more intuitive-looking results.
9.13.2008
Today's Polls, 9/13
by Nate Silver @ 7:00 PM...see also georgia, methodology, nevada, new jersey, oklahoma, oregon, south dakota, today's polls, utah, washington, zogby
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Fascinating group of headlines:
McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions (New York Times)
McCain Wrong on Palin Earmarks (Los Angeles Times)
McCain Lambasted for Inaccuracies (Seattle Times)
Palin, McCain Contradict Each Other on Spending (San Francisco Chronicle)
McCain Wraps Distortions Around One Truth (Washington Post)
Palin Reviews Are In, and Gibson Got a... (New York Times)
Fact Check: McCain on Palin and Earmarks (Dallas Morning News)
The Associated Press reports that Ms. Palin "asked for nearly $200 million in targeted spending for the 2009 fiscal year."
emily - NM
Darien,
No not just me..... the negativity is spreading and it ain't pretty. My mom, who is a midwesterner (read: she lives in one of those precious swing states) is a moderate independent, who was for Hillary. When McCain made his announcement she was excited with the Palin prospect. But she watch the recent interviews with Gibson and has had a change of heart... Guess whose got her vote now..... And she and her book club have been talking. Lots of skeptisim is seeping in. Y'all should get worried, come next week. You'll see
emily,
what state are you in?
Yes Emily of course.
By then you will have the new:
"Liar-Liar Pants On Fire Strategy"
going full bore.
That always works.
I am in CA... but I have been volunteering in NV recently and will be going back in the next couple of weeks---registering voters, you know that ground game that people whisper about
What part of NV? I've driven through it at least a hundred times in my life. The north/south route is so ... uneventful.
% of people who support Palin and are *shocked* to find another hit piece on her in MSM - 100
darien,
Hmmm, let me think. Oh yeah, historically it worked for the GOP. I see absolutely no reason the Dem shouldn't try it out, too.
All's fair, right?
You know Darien,
You can go on and on all you want in an immature manner, but I am not in this to argue with people. There are serious issues at stake here.
I am one of those 40+million of people who do not have healthcare. I work but do not get healthcare from my employer (since I am contracted) and I can't afford to pay for it. I fear getting sick and I fear a major emergency. What is at stake in this election is very real for me. Do you know what it is like to worry so so much about what the hell you will do if you get sick?
vince - there is nothing that will sway evangelical support for Palin.
Others were swayed and now some will sway back, either to Undecided or to Dem.
Typical politics.
Absolutely Smitty...
We beat you with a VP pick.
We didn't even have to go after Obama.
Too easy this year
I love these tales of conversions.
Reminded me of "I'm a conservative and I can no longer support the Republican party because of the budget deficit. I'm voting for Obama"
SUUUUURE...
And now we have "My mother and I are rabid feminists. We were going to vote for Palin until allegations of lying and an inconsistant record were discoverd by the same people who said she swapped fetuses with her daughter. That is outrageous!!!! I'm voting for Obama now!"
SUUUUUURE
Smitty,
Reno and around Carson City... Not very exciting territory, Nevada. But its worth it when you actually get someone excited about voting for the first time
emily,
Healthcare is so, so important in this election.
1. That healthcare becomes easily and financially accessible for all.
2. McCain has stated that he will tax employer-provided health benefits. I guess that is his idea of cutting taxes. Does NOT get my vote.
The only way around that is to drop the employer coverage and purchase your own. I checked our employer coverage - it would add $20,000 a year of taxable income.
Smitty,
Tell me about. I am a teacher. I have worked hard for my own education (and have plenty of college loan debt) and love my job, but I hold three part time positions at different community colleges and so none of them will cover you unless you are a full time employer.... This is what they have done here in CA with our budget crisis---cut education, only hire teachers part time, raise tuition on students.
So I don't make enough $ to be able to afford my own health care plan, but make too much (just above the poverty line) to qualify for some sort of state aid.
These are real challenges facing Americans today. And it drives me crazy that the McCain campaign lies and creates distractions and a ton of BS when we are faced with some serious serious issues right here right now
Health care is a serious concern for me and I know I am not alone.. And yeah, McCain's plan does nothing to help me. I'd still have to come up with $7000 or so for my husband and I to be covered
Pay for your own damn health care.
My God who do you people think you are taking my property without compensation for your own personal use.
The health care issue was awfully huge in the Dem primaries but you really don't hear much about it now.
You are dreaming if you think there will be a big government paid for health care program.
Every time the Dems try to do it... it's shot down in congress and never goes anywhere and it won't this time.
They use your desire to have a free doctor at your beck and call (won't happen) to make doctors and lawyers richer. Whenever someone is trying to get you to make the government pay for something... you have to ask... "Who Benefits".
It's not for you... ever.
Obama's plan is to make health care AVAILABLE and AFFORDABLE!
You, vince and darien, are discussing the Clinton health care plan.
and besides in case you haven't the Federal govt is in over 50 trillian in debt .. and that's before Fannie and Freddie collapsed.
The govt is bankrupt. It's only a matter of time before it falls apart
Vince,
Do you believe that teachers, hardworking American teachers who server their communities doesn't qualify as "compensation"? Don't teachers deserve the right to see a doctor in an affordable manner? I have no problem paying for it--- but it needs to be AFFORDABLE. $12,000 a year for a healthcare plan (Kaiser) is simply not affordable-- and I work full time.
You spew such hate. THAT'S what's wrong with the state of our country right now. So much hate.
"The govt is bankrupt. It's only a matter of time before it falls apart"
All the more reason to continue spending 10 billion/month in Iraq and 3 trillion by extending the Bush tax cuts. Might as well fast track the economy straight to hell, eh? Seems like a wise plan
vince,
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you say "who do you people think you are taking my property without compensation for your own personal use."
And Darien, health care was quite affordable before the GOP gave us the HMO and corporate crap. Now we have big business and Wall Street profits.
I could see any doctor I wanted and if the bill was more than I had on hand, I was allowed to make payments to the doctor. That was true for most people...no insurance required.
No... Obama wants the government to pay for everyone's (even illegals) health care. Hillary wanted to mandate that you pay for it. Big difference.
It will be paid for through taxes. He says on the "rich". Rich to Obama means you actually get a paycheck.
Under an Obama government... if he actually got everything he wants... no one would have an incentive to do anything at all. So we would all have to do what we're assigned to do. Because the government controls your life.
Well, Vince, high debt is exactly what happens when taxes are cut drastically while conducting two wars.
McCain wants to keep existing tax cuts AND add additional tax cuts. Cutting earmarks will be like bring in dimes while spending hundred dollar bills.
emily: Give it a break with the cries of hatred. The only one stirring up hate is the Saul Alinski street agitator Trojan Horse Marxist, Obama.
smitty: what was the revenue loss due to the tax cuts?
Ah, Darien.
Soon enough the focus of the campaign will be on John McCain. He knows it too. That's why he's desperate to change the subject to anything other than his failed record.
It's over, darien. But you guys put up a spirited fighting try. You really did. In the end, you just couldn't keep America distracted enough from your party's miserable failure.
Darien, sorry, but that is not correct at all. If a person has health care through an employer, the person keeps that health care. Someone like Emily, who has no health care, will have an affordable plan available.
If YOU make $250K a year, yes, you will see a bump in income tax. If YOU make $2.5 million a year, you will see a very big bump in income tax.
If YOU make less that $250K a year, then you will get a TAX CUT.
Sheesh, this has been in almost every newspaper, independent economist reviews.
That's not true. Obama's plan will "make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress." Key words: make available and buy....
And you obviously don't get the mandate thing. Obama doesn't mandate that adults get it--meaning you can choose to buy into the plan or elect not to. It is you CHOICE. He opted for the non-mandate b/c who would really turn down a decent healthcare plan, if they could afford it. Again, key word: affordable.
I am happy to pay for a plan that I can afford. But at present I cannot afford to pay $500/ month for healthcare. That is clear NOT affordable. Under Obama's plan it would be affordable, but not free.
Vince - any revenue gain was, and continues to be, outstripped exponentially by massive increases in spending.
I wouldn't use the future tense. Nothing Obama says should be trusted by anyone as any sort of commitment. The people and ideas under his bus have jacked it up off the ground.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/28353589.html?elr=KArks:DCiUBcy7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Woo! 45-45 in Minnesota.
Smitty -
It's no use pointing it out. McCain junkies have RDS, Reality Derangement Syndrome. They hate reality.
When reality is pointed out to them, they shout 'elitism' and 'liberal media'. When it's shown they're lying, they say 'screw you'. Just keep making them talk about themselves and John McCain's complete failure. Then they lose, and they know it.
smitty: this is what you said:
"Well, Vince, high debt is exactly what happens when taxes are cut drastically while conducting two wars."
What do tax cuts have to do with anything unless they resulted in less money going to the govt.
So ... how much money did the govt lose? There must be a reason you made that statement
McIdiots thought they were going to win with a VP pick and constant lying? Sheesh.
Too easy this year.
You guys realize you're trying to argue facts with someone who thinks facts are stupid and people who use them are wimps, right?
Screw them. They're going to lose and they're desperate. President Barack Obama, children...deal with it.
vince - believe what you will.
Personally, I trust Obama with my life. I genuinely believe he has all the personal qualities necessary to make an exceptional leader of this country.
I also believe his plans to connect us all to the government so we can have great visibility and input are excellent.
Bill, my thoughts exactly.
I try to have an honest conversation about how stressful it is to live without healthcare and the hopes of being able to afford it sometime soon and this is what our dear friend Vince has to say about the man who hopes to deliver it:
[He's a] Saul Alinski street agitator Trojan Horse Marxist, [that] Obama.
Vince, Obama is no Marxist. He's no socialist..... My husband, who is from Venezuela falls down laughing anytime someone tries to paint him as such. Get real.
I wouldn't be so smug thinking the press is going to achieve the goal of alienating voters from McCain. Obama's past is largely unknown... but not for long,. not for long.
Here's a hint at what is coming:
Obama covers his tracks
Ed Lasky
Barack Obama apparently wishes his two autobiographies to be the definitive record of his past. He has blocked efforts by others who wish to independently examine his past.
He won’t allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.
He “lost” his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy (see “Where in the World is Obama’s Missing Thesis” which might provide insight regarding his seeming lack of knowledge about Soviet policy during the Kennedy years).
He won’t answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School.
He “lost” his Illinois Senate records.
He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition.
He won’t release his application to the state bar, which, as National Review’s Jim Geraghty notes raises questions about whether he told the truth about parking tickets and drug use, among other issues.
He won’t disclose list of his clients from his law firm days or the nature of the work he did for them as a lawyer (his clients include the indicted political fixer Tony Rezko).
He walks away from uncomfortable questions about Rezko at a news conference.
His cultists try to shut down inquiry into his stewardship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by sliming a journalist investigating his days at the helm of that group, which blew through $100 million dollars with no discernible benefit for the schools and students that it was putatively designed to help (what does the constitutional law lecturer say to the chilling of free speech by his acolytes?).
He tries to muddle his long-standing ties with Pastor Wright by producing a version of his attendance record at Trinity Church that is sharply at variance with previous versions he has given (”Obama Re-invents his Trinity Church History”).
The Wall Street Journal joins the battle over Obama’s past in today’s editorial (”Obama’s Lost Years”):
The Columbia years are a hole in the sprawling Obama hagiography. In his two published memoirs, the 47-year-old Democratic nominee barely mentions his experience there. He refuses to answer questions about Columbia and New York — which, in this media age, serves only to raise more of them. Why not release his Columbia transcript? Why has his senior essay gone missing? [....]
Voters and the media are now exercising due diligence before Election Day, and they are meeting resistance from Mr. Obama in checking his past. Earlier this year, the AP tracked down Mr. Obama’s New York-era roommate, “Sadik,” in Seattle after the campaign refused to reveal his name. Sohale Siddiqi, his real name, confirmed Mr. Obama’s account that he turned serious in New York and “stopped getting high.” “We were both very lost,” Mr. Siddiqi said. “We were both alienated, although he might not put it that way. He arrived disheveled and without a place to stay.” For some reason the Obama camp wanted this to stay out of public view.
What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him.
Barack Obama is the least-examined Presidential candidate in American history. Partly this may be due to the fact that he has a paper-thin resume and few accomplishments. However, he does have a record and past (he is, after all, approaching 50 years old). An informed electorate is the foundation of American democracy — a principle which Senator Obama has ignored. The mainstream media — with a few courageous exceptions (the pages of National Review, Weekly Standard, ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper) — have aided and abetted Barack Obama’s quest to change history retroactively by immunizing him from any serious examination. Meanwhile they send the journalistic equivalent of the dogs of war to create their own history of Governor Sarah Palin (notably by pulling journalists off the terrorism “beat” to cover Palin’s record in Alaska).
He accuses people who scrutiny his record of being engaged in distractions or pulls the race card out and slurs them as racists. At times, he has all but accused people who inquire about his record as being stupid. He imperiously declares some areas of his life as being “off limits”.
For a man who constantly trumpeted the importance of transparency he seems to be adverse from applying that principle to his own life. He owes the voters a clear accounting of his past.
Why have journalists allowed Barack Obama to avoid scrutiny? The media has been called the Fourth Estate for its crucial role in ensuring that democracy thrives. When journalists abdicate their role, we all suffer. What is Barack Obama afraid of regarding his past? What do journalist fear to find?
When they rely on Barack Obama’s version of his life to become their stories they become nothing more than campaign workers laboring away for free.
Come to think of it, this does not seem so far from the truth.
Right on, emily. Their big trick is to say outrageous things and hope we get worked up and distracted. Not gonna work this time.
Just smile condescendingly at the conservative children, and then go right back to telling the truth about John McCain and his running mate George W. Bush.
ROFLMAO - is that the best you've got? That is just sad, vince!
Go read the Arizona Republic and compare McCain's history with what you've just posted here. Don't think you will like it at all.
vince -
John McCain is a miserable failure. The election will turn on his pathetic record. It can't be defended, so he will lose.
And it's driving you crazy.
bill p,
Oh no, not running mate Bush...it's running mate Cheney time 10. Mercy, she makes Cheney look like a wimp.
Vince so much of what you have just written sounds as tasteless as the Palin baby rumors and the like....
Tasteless......whether a smear attack on Palin or on Obama.
Besides, Obama has been in the public's eye for a long while now, being scrutinized severely--- and he has survived it all. Face it, things don't stick to him. And yet, Palin has only been in the public eye a couple of weeks and already countless lies--that have been proven.
But see, emily, none of that stuff REALLY bothers them. If Obama had an "R" behind his name they'd be worshiping him. They're just conservatives, and there's no point in pretending like they have any understanding or willingness to learn.
They're just conservatives who can't defend John McCain's pathetic record.
Also there is this pending case in court right now considering the fact that Obama is ineligible to be President
The lawyer who filed the case has a site here
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
In the brief they lay out this case
- There’s controversy that he might have been born in Kenya
But regardless of that
- His mother subsequently married an Indonesian and relocated to Indonesia
- Under Indonesian law, when you marry an Indonesian and live there, the mother becomes a citizen of Indonesia
- Under US law, when a person aquires a new nationality, their US citizenship is revoked
- Under US law, when a minor’s guardian aquires a new nationality, the minor loses his citizenship
- Under US law, when a former citizen returns to the US, they could regain their citizenship by swearing an oath of allegence at an embassy or court.
Barry never did this, additionally, when he was 20 years old,, he went to Pakistan with an Indonesia passport
Berg v. Obama, et al. Civil Case No. 08-cv-04083
Answers are due from the various parties to the lawsuite as follows:
Barrack Obama September 24, 2008;
DNC: September 24, 2008 and
FEC: October 21, 2008 (Federal and Government Employees and Entities have sixty (60) days)
So when you add up the press doing stories about Palin's afterbirth while ignoring the mountain of questions about Obama.... one must be deluded into thinking Obama will be elected. The Press has already blown its wad with the public.
smitty -
True dat.
:)
You folks could laugh all you want.. Obama's numbers are dropping like a rock.
Vince -
The election is going to be about John McCain's pathetic record. That's why he'll lose. Just accept it and stop pretending.
You really did your best though...tough ads, celebrity VP pick, you tried your little conservative hearts out. But it has to go back to John McCain and his record of failure. And at that point..
it's over. You lose.
President Barack Obama - get used to it.
"I wonder how many times you have to be hit on the head before you find out who's hitting you? It's about time that the people of America realized what the Republicans have been doing to them," - Harry Truman.
Actually, vince, that isn't completely accurate. As Nate has written time and again, the earliest we will know exactly who is up/down, will be next Friday, but more likely around the first debate.
Also there is this pending case in court right now considering the fact that Obama is ineligible to be President
Thanks, that brightened up my day. I'm imagining a ballot where my only choices are John McCain, Bob Barr, Ralph Nadar and (occasionally) Dr. Ron Paul.
yeah uh uh i know uh the debate uh is coming soon and uh Barry wont uh have his uh tele uh prompter to uh help him uh speak. You know?
Bill P - sounds good, comforting, to say President Barack Obama.
Ya know, I've never heard anyone on the other ticket say, "I love you back" at a speech. Have you?
I dont want my civil servants telling me they love me. How nutty is that.
You people are begging for a demagogue
hey, dr. matt!
Somehow, I doubt there will be an issue for Obama. It seems logical that as a law student or during his 12 years teaching constitutional law that he might have encountered the concept that there is a problem IF one does exist.
Besides, if he weren't a citizen, he'd have had encountered difficulty re-entering from a place like Pakistan, especially during that time frame.
Give me a break Vince et al. If you think McCain is going to win because Obama is not a citizen, I suggest you keep on looking for something else to keep hope alive for you all. Remember when I group of people accused McCain of not being a citizen?
If you really want to see Obama's birth certificate, look here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
And in any case Obama's mother is American. That makes him American regardless of where you accuse him of being born:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Trust me, I know all about dual citizenship and citizenship issues with kids as my husband is a citizen of another country.
vince - Obama debated at least 22 times during the primary season. He managed to get through those debates even with your uh uh uh and no teleprompter.
Demagogue -"a leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times" Mirriam Webster dictionary
Vincep,
stop spreading lies.
The US actually allows dual citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
"In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:
1. is naturalized in a foreign country;
2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.
When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship. "
emily,
And I know about citizenship issues because I worked in an area that required high security clearances.
McCain wasn't born on the mainland...born in Panama, I think. No one seems to question that.
emily,
And I know about citizenship issues because I worked in an area that required high security clearances.
McCain wasn't born on the mainland...born in Panama, I think. No one seems to question that.
oops - apologize for double entry.
Thanks Diogo for that exerpt from the State Dept. Of course I am not sure Vince and co. will accept the word of the State Department.
And yeah Smitty, McCain wasn't born on the mainland and there were people a while back trying to discredit his eligibility... to no avail.
But seriously, if the Republicans are staking victory in Obama's ineligibility.... I wouldn't count on it
Emily,
It is truly silly season that they want a copy of a paper Obama did at Columbia. His professor said publicly that is was a simple "all students write a paper about..." exercise and he doesn't keep those.
With a rare exception, I did not keep my homework papers from college. Did you?
I have actually have a couple, but that's because I am a geeky English teacher!
It is a joke, though to think of my students, if any of them were to someday run for president, being pressed to produce a paper they may have written for me in college. I mean, aren't there more pressing things that might be used to demonstrate one's character than a college paper!
@smitty
You've convinced me not too be overly concerned about waking up to a Cynthia Ann McKinney Administration on November 5th... for now ;-)
As for the numbers... eh, not interesting until at least the end of next week. Why? Read Nate's analysis (here), or even just look at the picture at the bottom.
Smitty,
It looks like we may have scared away the Republicons.
Too much of a reality check for them
smitty -
Never a 'love ya back' at a McCain rally.
Again, vince isn't going to care what the State Department says because vince doesn't care about facts. Facts are stupid and anyone who pays attention to a fact is an elitist egghead who doesn't understand real America. Think Stephen Colbert, only it's not satire.
All vince and his ilk are doing is trying to get us to talk about anything but the failed record of John McCain and George W. Bush.
Senator Obama has asked that we focus on John McCain's miserable record of voting with George W. Bush 90% of the time. McCain offers nothing different, just more of the same.
John Kerry trailed by 14 points at this time in 2004, and that ended up being a two point race. Barack Obama is either 1 or 2 points down nationally, and Nate's model will be catching up soon. Keep the focus on John McCain, don't be distracted, and keep working.
See ya at President Obama's inaugural ball. :)
Dr. Matt,
Love your humor!
It is a tight race, but, at best, right now it looks like red became redder. The rest is noise until all of the convention/VP hype settles down.
Bill P
I really am not worried. I believe WE and Obama will win this thing! I live in a swing state. Earlier tonight, on this topic, one of the RepubliCONs told me all about NM demographics (I asked) and why it was going to McCain.
I've been here 11 years. His interpretation of the demographics isn't what I see.
This state has been a 50/50 split since we moved here. The party that has the most voters show on election day wins.
Thanks Bill for the reminder to keep on message. You're right.....
BTW, sometimes don't you just feel like we are living in Orwell's 1984. Only it's not fiction but reality. Scary..
If the rumors are true that GOP operatives paid some people off to get Barack's SAT and LSAT test scores and one of his undergrad transcripts, Barack may have a very interesting October. He can't be covering them up without a good reason.
As for the mysterious missing certified birth certificate, I assume Hawaii's GOP Governor Lingle has ways of finding it if Baarck was indeed born in Hawaii. What could Barack be hiding?
Smitty -
Ah, NM...home of the 600-vote margin elections. Love it!
Emily -
Sometimes it feels like 1984 alright! Let's just not get into Animal Farm mode after we win this thing. :)
You just keep on going with that, mrinsight! :)
John McCain votes with George W. Bush 90% of the time. We can't afford John McCain.
MrInsight22,
Shall we ask for transcripts from all five of the colleges Palin attended to finally finish her BA, after six years...Now, I don't know, but it can't be pretty if she had to keep moving around like that.
But the fact is, it doesn't matter. What matters is how the next president will work to improve the economy and our position in the world as well as keep us safe and return us to a state of prosperity. THAT is what matters, not SAT scores and rumors about missing birth certificates...
BTW I did poorly on the SATs, but you know what, I made it through 4 years of college with a 4.0 and graduated with honors. Who cares about what some standardized test has do say. Does a test reveal one's character or judgment?
Emily and Bill P,
Yes, we must stay on message!
Have you seen McCain's missing birth certificate from Panama? And what about his flight training scores from the Naval Academy? How many planes did he crash?
There also is the tiny issue about his buddies, the convicted felons, that took him on yacht trips. Hey, and Cindy even became a business partner with one.
Then there is the NY Times story about past drug use.
Yes, we must stay on message.
From ObamaCrimes.com...
18. "Wikipedia Italian Version... states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital."
19. "There are further references circulating on the internet claiming examination of the hospital's records"
21. "Wayne Madsen... published an article on June 9, 2008 stating the GOP sent a research team to Mombasa, Kenya and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama."
26. "Additionally, there is a rumor circulating on the Internet that his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted Obama."
I'm all for good investigative reporting, but this stuff is pretty far out there. Of course, this could explain the emails I got from a Kenyan prince who has $25 million in a bank account, and just needs my bank account and password to transfer the money to me...
As I said earlier, Dr. Matt, love your sense of humor!
1988, huh? Me, too.
Including any online poll is a joke. Ron Paul lead every online poll, was in fact wiping the floor with every other candidate, and failed to reach what... 25 delegates during the actual primaries? LOL.
All the movement in the polling over the last month (which was predicted in the modeling) has me wondering: How the hell could you be undecided right now?
I've never been a good independent - I check out all the candidates well before Iowa caucuses, and figure out which guys I like and the ones I don't. At this point, you have two candidates who are polar opposites on nearly every metric you can identify, whether it be issues, personality or style. Seriously, what are you weighting to see?
I really wish I could understand what it was like to be undecided in 2008.
Thanks smitty.
Dr. Matt,
Undecided are all of those people who do not pay attention until a week or two before an election. They *might* watch a debate or two. Their decision is just as likely to be made on the last TV ad they see before voting or, even, as late as listening to the people in line with them.
How do I know? I used to be like that when I worked several jobs while raising children.
@Smitty
You've convinced me to stop reading about polling altogether, since this close election will probably be decided by random chance! ;-)
There's just been SO much media saturation this year, it's sometimes difficult to imagine the person who hasn't heard much of anything. Of course, I don't have kids...
Dr Matt,
My husband and I have been empty nesters for years now. We sometimes comment about how silly we were for never getting engaged in politics.
We keep up now. We, like you, find it hard to comprehend that so many haven't decided, especially after such a long, widely televised primary season.
And keeping track of the polls becomes almost addictive. LOL
General Info:
So-Called Energy Expert Sarah Palin Doesn’t Know How Much Energy Her State Produces.
"Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy"
But, as the non-partisan FactCheck.org points out, Palin’s claim about Alaska producing 20 percent of America’s domestic energy supply is “not true. Not even close.” In fact, “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent.”
General Info:
Greenspan: Country Can’t Afford John McCain’s Massive Tax Cuts For The Rich
On Bloomberg Television this weekend, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told host Al Hunt that the country can’t afford John McCain’s massive $3.3 trillion tax cuts.
After endorsing Bush’s massive tax cuts for the wealthy which turned Clinton-era record surpluses into record deficits, Greenspan has much to atone for. Telling the truth about McCain’s agenda is a good start.
True story. This site is like crack for amateur political junkies!
Nite, all
LOL Yes, it is exactly like that, Dr. Matt. Great description.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Don't want to miss the Chris Matthews Sunday show.
Nite.
I'm just after the truth.
It seems the info from the State Dept would render the lawsuit moot.
All the doubt could be removed if he would just release his records , but Democrats seem to have a problem with that.
It still remains Obama is hiding as much as his past as possible and I see that as dangerous.
This has nothing to do with partisanship.. i'm putting my country first and this country would be damaged by the Marxist
That's powerful stuff, vice. Hold the election, boys!
Here's a question you may want to ponder:
With seven weeks to go, it's very likely that Obama will experience a period where he's again in control of the chatter. What will be the cause of Obama regaining control? A McCain stumble or a positive action on Obama's part?
With all the focus on LIAR!!!1!!11! around here, it seems that most of Obama's supporters have put their hope in McCain messing up. Pretend that doesn't happen. What issue will put Obama in front?
Oz.
The leftist wingnuts are going crazy as they are making pathetic references to McCain's lack of accomplishment. McCain has probably co-sponsored or produced more landmark legislation in the Senate currently other than Ted Kennedy whereas Obama has had the same level of accomplishment as me in the Senate .. zero.
If the argument of the 'pathetic' McCain record is used, maybe Obama will win 100 EV.
Personally, our party was much better off with you wingnuts. We managed to win 9 of 11 elections, only losing to the great general Eisenhower.
Maureen Down on Palin:
Palin v Thinking
"The proximity of the country from which William Seward bartered to buy Alaska for $7 million — Seward’s icebox — is so illuminating that I suddenly realize that we would commit a grave error by overestimating Russia’s economic strength. After all, it represents only 2.8 percent of the world’s G.D.P., even though its gross domestic product has ballooned from $200 billion in 1999 to $1.7 trillion this year.
But I overanalyze.
An Arctic blast of action has swept into the 2008 race, making thinking passé. We don’t really need to hurt our brains studying the world; we just need the world to know we’re capable of bringing a world of hurt to the world if the world continues to be hell-bent on misbehaving.
Two weeks after being thrown onto a national ticket, and moments after being speed-briefed by McCain foreign-policy advisers, our new Napoleon in bunny boots (not the Pamela Anderson kind, but the knock-offs of the U.S. Army Extreme Cold Weather Vapor Barrier Boots) is ready to face down the Russkies and start a land war over Georgia, and, holy cow, what business is it of ours if Israel attacks Iran?
The trigger-happy John McCain has indeed found a soul mate. Trigger squared. In Fairbanks on Thursday, at a deployment ceremony for her son who is going to Iraq, Governor Palin followed the lead of McCain and W. in fusing Osama bin Laden’s diabolical work on 9/11 and the mission in Iraq. She told the departing troops, “You’ll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans.”"
Hasn't Bush even said Iraq and 9/11 are not tied?
Two quick comments ...
First about the "liar" thing. I am a moderate, middle of the road kind of guy. Enlisted Military for the past 19 years.
I like(d) John McCain a lot. Had he been the R nominee in 2000, I was fully prepared to vote for him, and I think he would have made a fine President.
With that frame of reference in mind, right now I think John McCain has sacrificed his honor to try to win an election. I don't recognize the guy anymore.
All political ads "massage the facts" a little bit ... that's a given.
But these last couple of weeks, there's no way a fair-minded person can conclude that some of these claims aren't just bald faced lies.
It's one thing to want your guy (or girl) to get elected. But in the end, aren't we all still Americans? When did we stop thinking it was important for our elected officials to at least pretend to be honest with us?
My second comment is about the way people follow these silly daily polls and intrade numbers like it's some kind of a sporting event.
It's still almost 2 months until election day ... practically a life-time in politics. It's hillarious to watch people get all excited and make grand predictions about how the campaigns should change their whole strategies; based on small movements in polls, where the results are still within the margin of error.
It seems to me, when you get right down to it, all these polls will have to be adjusted by factors unknowable until after election day ... the Bradley effect vs. turnout by unreachable cell phone only voters.
Just my three pennies :-)
You say you've added Zogby but weighted it low, but even so, it seems to have had a huge effect. Most of the non ZI polls there AREN'T bad for Obama (WA,OR are actually improvements, NV's not that far below) and the only national poll of the last day's even, the tracking polls haven't moved much, and the ev column for Obama goes down 13 points(???!) from yesterday approaching landslide territory....that's just ridiculous and doesn't seem to follow any logic except for these obvious outliers...and that's why McCain and Obama have been campaigning in red states?
Actually, is there some sort of glitch or anomoly going on...just by states he's winning in at least 60% he's at 263 evs...and since CO really should be in Obama's camp, by any logic I've learned from you (3 polls that are well in Obama's favor over the national average), that's 273 evs counting states that are on Obama's side...I don't get it.
Sundays Rasmussen tracking just released:
McCain 50 Obama 47
His bounce is hanging in there, but Rasmussen is weighed toward the GOP.
For the first time in the general election campaign, McCain is at 50%in Rasmussen's tracker today, ahead by 3 points.
Des Moines Register Iowa poll has Obama up by 12.
Survey USA and the Star Tribune have Obama up by 2 and tied in their polls of Minnesota.
Geoff-
This is a late response to an early comment, but I'm late to the party and thought it merited. Colorado MAY be a convention bounce, but I think it's more likely a permanent seen-Obama-for-an-extended-time surge...I'm sure some people called Iowa's lead temporary as well, but it's most recently 12 points at the height of McCain ridiculousness. If CO, with its evangelicals, doesn't poll towards McC when his base support is at its highest, it never will.
And to the people who are saying if McCain wins PA, he wins...well, of course (he wins MI before that). Ain't gon' happen though.
Change in Ras weighting:
Like all polling firms, Rasmussen Reports weights its data to reflect the population at large (see methodology). Among other targets, Rasmussen Reports weights data by political party affiliation using a dynamic weighting process. During the final two months of Election 2008, paty weighting targets are updated each Sunday (see additional information). For polling data released during the week of September 14-20, 2008, the targets are 38.7% Democratic, 33.6% Republican, and 27.7% unaffiliated. For the previous week, the targets were 39.7% Democrat, 32.1% Republican, and 28.2% unaffiliated.
Murray-
Yes, it should be interesting over the next few weeks....CO and OH are the election.
MN all tied up at 45%.
Hehe, Rasmussen decreased the Dem vs. Rep identification by 2,5%. Tomorrow the 9/11 numbers fall out of the average. That will bring McCain´s advantage down to 1 or 2 percent - AFTER the id changes.
Well McCain had to have at least a three point lead to hold up the average of plus 3 - 9/11 was plus 5.4, 9/12 was plus 1.
Anyone know when the Daily Kos poll is released?
Obama raised $66 Mio in August.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_raises_66_million_in_August.html
He´ll probably top that in September and October, too. So he will likely have at least $50 Mio more to spend than McCain. But maybe the RNC can make up for that...
OBama's 50 state strategy has been to be hubris.
They need to work in OH, FL, PA, CO, NM, NH, and amybe a couple more after I have coffee.
From check to checkmate: Obama’s winning strategy.
All those stories about the Dems being suddenly outmaneuvered and scratching their heads have to end – it is time to refocus. Presented below is the simple chess move that will decisively win Obama the election. If you agree, please copy, paste, post, spread the word and even pass it on to someone in the Obama camp if you possibly can!! The stakes are too high, and the thought of getting that 3am call that McCain has won the election is just too frightening:
The strategy:
Don’t try to refute and in fact actually acknowledge that McCain and Palin are “mavericks” – then, make “maverick” equal “dangerous” and “unsafe” and make “maverick” equal “more of the same.” Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Aschcroft, Wolfowitz, Gonzales etc. were all mavericks - and look what happened! All that maverick behavior soon led to corruption, deception, mismanagement, damaged relationships across the world, a weakened America etc. etc…:
“Can we really afford four more years of maverick? Barack Obama: real leadership.”
Why it will work:
Firstly, you don’t win campaigns by just trying to refute the opposition’s attacks - you have to boldly set the agenda and this does just that. The Reps took Obama’s popularity and tried to turn it against him - i.e. “Moses” “The One.” But they themselves are banking literally everything on this maverick brand (both for McCain and Palin) - that is all they have and that is actually their greatest weakness – don’t run from it, tackle it! By challenging the maverick premise head-on and changing the meaning of “maverick” into something unstable and unsafe you will redefine their own message and use it against them. They will either have to stop using “maverick” and focus on the issues (which means they lose) or keep using it and dig themselves into a hole whereby people come to see that they really don’t want another maverick administration.
“Enough!”
You will have to push it hard and over and over again, but it really is that simple.
“Hasn’t America had enough of maverick?”
Clip of Bush: “Bring ‘em on!” Clip of Gonzales: “I don’t recall.” Clip of Rumsfeld: “Heenie-peenie pie in the sky!”
“Barack Obama: leadership that restores America.”
Other advantages:
-It is not sniping or petty, so Senator Obama can uphold his “new kind of campaign” ethos.
-The McCain camp are instantly on the defensive and that is where you want them.
-It is not trying to tear down Palin (which won’t work and may backfire), but rather just grouping both McCain and Palin with the other dangerous mavericks like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. Add to this McCain’s famously bad temperament and you have all the material you need.
-It is new, but keeps in tune with your prior messages (so you won't look like you are desperately shifting strategy) of tying McCain to Bush and presenting him as more of the same. That message ran its course and lost its power, this will give it a whole new jolt of life.
- It is bold, audacious and headline grabbing - very un-Gore/Kerry.
-Most importantly it will work because most voters don’t want more Bush and don’t want more Republican leadership. This presents a crystal clear message that if executed strongly will shift opinion back towards Obama as something new; as a real agent of change; as a new kind of leader. That is what his supporters already believe, and it is time to make that message loud and clear.
A new Iowa poll from the Des Moines Register.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080913/NEWS09/80913038&theme=IOWA_POLL
Obama 52
McCain 40
Barr 2
Nader 1
Foot, obama has already gone down the road of attacking cainer personally - too late.
MCCAIN REACHES 50%!!
SPREAD THE WORD! OBAMA SUNK! SUNK!!
The bubba vote will cause Obama to lose Wisconsin and Michigan.
For those of you talking about Obama's legitimacy to be prez, I gotta laugh. At least he says he was born in a state. McCain is a zoner and was never born in a state (but because his dad is a citizen that citizenship carried over, Oh wait wasn't Obama's mother a citizen too?).
Why doesn't he talk about his birthstate like Obama and Biden does in order to garner some support there? Because Panama doesn't have any EV's.
BTW the Iowa poll was done by Selzer & Co., Nate's top ranked pollster.
I am feeling pretty good about the Iowa part of the Kerry + Iowa + Colorado + New Mexico scenario. The Kerry, New Mexico and Colorado parts still have me worried though.
Chun, fairly scurrilous attack on a military family that has worked to keep citizens safe since the American Revolution.
With McCain reaching 50% in Ras tracker his lead has solidified nationwide and has settled in at 3%. He need only to maintain that advantage to lope to victory easily in November. That is why the Win Percentage and Super Tracker have tilted so decisively to McCain.
McCain's favorability levels exceed Obama's with McC's nos about 4 points over their lows and Obama down 6 pts from his high, a 10 point shift since the beginning of September.
Also for the first time that I have seen, McCain's voters are now more excited and enthusiastic than Obama's.
Obama is clearly worried about the immediate vectors in this election and has gone sharply negative calling the McCain-Palin team liars and going hard on the age thing.
Negativity works and I would not be surprised to see McCain's numbers fall by a measurable degree in the short run.
The long-run prognosis for such a strategy is not good for Obama. He has always needed much more so than others to make a positive case for his candidacy and so much of his appeal was his appearance on the scene as a different sort of politician.
In his new strategy, Obama is trading his long run strength for a mess of pottage.
Minn mike - that' sabout right.
Geoff,
Not an attack. I am not attacking his candidacy at all and I think he has every right to run. I'm just asking why Obama is not extended that courtesy as well. It smacks of racism and reminds me of "literacy" tests that were administered after African Americans got the right to vote.
If you are saying what I am saying about McCain's birthplace are lies then I suggest you go look it up.
So why didn't Obama pick Hillary? Everyone is saying he should have (even Palin and Biden himself!)
Why not Hillary? Because McCain would have picked Lynn Swann for his VP pick then.
Those rooting for Obama are clutching at straws to find comfort in numbers or to attack them where they don't like them.
The favorite here seems to be Rasmussen's Republican ID nos.
Despite what Nate would have you believe, the Palin pick has changed the structure of this race. Ultimately her appeal will be broad and th in roads she will make among moderates and independents will be breathtaking in their sweep. We are already seeing the signs of this.
In disputably, we are seeing that Palin has brought the Republicans home and solidified McCain's support within his own party.
Over the past several years we have seen a sharp decline in Republican Party ID; it is only natural to see a reversal of that as the ticket becomes more popular and the campagin generally achieves success.
For this reason the Ras change in party IDis legit and relfects other data out there.
Gotta love it:
Minnesota Poll: Obama, McCain are dead even in state
With 51 days before Election Day, Barack Obama and John McCain are tied with 45 percent support, raising the stakes in the campaign.
By BOB VON STERNBERG, Star Tribune
Last update: September 14, 2008 - 8:37 AM
Rass with McCain at 50% and still 3 pts up !
pete we know our guy is behind. We're not stupid.
We can only hop that he performs well in the debate and that the media continue to call McCain out on his lies.
Hey wasn't it you yesterday that referred to the Obama campaign as Broke???? 66Mil in your grill!
I gotta admit that McCain timed his VP pick pretty darned well. He gave just enough time before the convention to make it look like Palin was getting picked on, then when she gave her speech everyone goes oh she's just one of us.
If the media scrutiny hit after the convention (and it's starting up again) a lot of people would see her in a different light.
Vanessa,
Granted it was a good number, but reflects the political realities and excitement of August. Now the bloom is off the Obama rose and he is, as you have noted, losing. People like to back winners.
It is going to take a lot of energy and time to sustain that fund rasing rate, which Obama has has throughout the year, little good that it has done him.
McCain and the RNC will more than keep pace, esp now with Sarah Barricuda on their team.
Van, good numbers for Obama - good use of false rumors about low numbers as well to tamp expectations.
Recall the 100 million a month vow right after beating hillary?
Pete, you have no basis for saying that. Most candidacies raise more in the last two months than any other month. And guess what, 50% of those candidacies are behind in the polls.
He now has close to 2.5 individual donors.
Does the new poll showing MN is a tie have an effect? That has to be a crazy outlier, right? There should be no way there is a tie in MN.
Morning Vanessa,
We don't believe you are stupid. We do believe you live in the land of OZ. You just "hope" Obama is not losing.
You have been infatuated with the "concept" of Obama. What you love about him has been manufactured by a money machine with George Soros in the drivers seat.
These people think an election can be bought. Ask Mitt Romney... he will tell you and it doesn't matter how much is wasted trying to elect Obama. If he was really out for the people he would not throw so much money away on his own vanity.
petekent said:
"Despite what Nate would have you believe, the Palin pick has changed the structure of this race."
I think I´ve got the republican plan now. I think they want to make the convention bounce permanent by connecting that short-lived effect to the new consistent factor of Sarah Palin. That´s why someone like Pete says that she has changed the structure of the race. It only is if McCain can keep exactly that picture he projected to us during the Convention. Of course, that picture has come under heavy scrutiny now, but it was a game worth playing, because McCain would be toast if he couldn´t funda-mentally change the race.
Chun, that was the McCAin strategy, and the media/Obama fell for it by raising curiosity so much that Palin got to go over the media's head at the convention and set the first image.
BJB is right to point out the big declone in Obama's MN lead as prefiguring across the board trouble for Obama's campaign.
The shifts we have seen in MN, WA and PA, to name just three over the past two weeks shows how much the electoral map has shifted.
It will be interesting to see how well Obama plays on defense and what he will do shore up his candidacy.
The problem Obama will have is that he will have to really emphasize the AA vote and try and really get his left wing base more excited about him. Neither is calculated to win the swing votes in this election.
"If, if if", Alex. If pigs had wings they could fly.
Let us wait and see!
PA, MI, OH, will all vote for McCain.
The rustbelt will kill Obama.
That was obviously their strategy Alex. Their internals showed him losing on turnout by a mile - now he's even on enthusiasm. That's why he has a chance now, pre Palin, no energy, no chance.
On MN, I'd agree its not an accurate picture of what the race is, similar to the current CO polls.
Remember, each party spent 100 million in those respective states - a longer and deeper bounce for each is inevitable - only after the first debate will MN or CO polls show the actual margin
Hey Nate! Minnesota's "Gold Standard" poll came in this morning!
Minnesota Star Tribune Obama 45, McCain 45 Tie
The 'money' factoid from the poll and quoted from the Minneapolis Star Tribune this morning is:
"Despite the widespread belief that Obama is overwhemlmingly popular among young voters, he and McCain are essentially tied with voters younger than 35" (Actual numbers for 18-34 are: McCain 46 and Obama 45.
Obviously, with Minnesota tied, Obama is in very serious trouble nationwide.
Obama will lose the entire upper midwest it seems, too.
MN? Trouble in MN?
ITS OVER BABY!
Geoff,
I agree it was a good move, though I am not sure if he gave much thought to the long term. Now that Palin no longer has a convention to show herself off I think the luster will begin to fade.
If she wants to keep that from happening she'll need to be let free from her trainers and talk to the media.
BTW let me say that I am so happy to be able to talk to a intelligent conservative that won't hurl insults for no good reason. Class is a very hard thing to find on the internet.
I think the MN surge is real.
Alot of people in MN will like Sarah Palin. They can identify and relate to her and they will vote for the Alaska Governor in mass.
Same with Washington State. They have close ties to Alaska.
I just hope this get out the vote operation is as sick as they say it will be.
"I just hope this get out the vote operation is as sick as they say it will be."
Yeah like Howard Dean's was. ROFL!
I have a lot of faith in Barack Obama and his intelligence.
I think he has run his campaign in a manner that I would like to see government run. Efficient and sensible.
Well John his get out the vote operation in the Primary was pretty darned good. If he can match or exceed that, I'd be very happy. Getting people to vote in the general is much harder than the primary.
Chun,
I'd disagree with your prognosis for Palin success. I think keeping access low means the media will continue to have hunger for it, and the bubble will continue. Plus, unless she does a major, major gaffe (remember biden is there matching her minor gaffe for minor gaffe now, not to mention obama minor gaffes and cainer minor gaffes), it could be a soft landing instead of a hard landing.
that's really the interesting thing about this election right now.
also, im not a true conservative, more centrist than not.
Yes Vanessa it is as sick as you think it is.
Democrats always bet the farm on the "youth" vote and it never happens. They don't really care about anything but getting the money together to go to that next concert, or the new gizmo from Apple.
It's sick alright... anemic is more the right word. I wouldn't trust those kids with my future, not one second. They only care about themselves.
Obama had the crowds 9 months ago because Jenny had a crush on Obama and he was the new sensation. Johnny went with Jenny to the Obama gig because Johnny wanted to get into Jenny's pants. Obama is not the star anymore and Jenny hates Johnny now and nobody cares.
Please don't tell me you have only this idea to fall back on!
Vanessa - i agree obama is a great candidate - but his people aren't suited to the next 50 days. Noone in his top command has experience in a general election. Primary was more like an urban race, the ones that axelrod excelled at (Chicago Daley wins), general election is different. That's why he's floundering now, and needs some Clinton folks to shake things up.
You've gotta love this becoming a GOP bragging board.
Palin has swung women voters to McCain in the immediately post-convention polls because, well, she's a woman. The more that comes out about her, however, the less attractive she seems to be to socially moderate or liberal women. The assumption that the swing is permanent would be a dangerous one.
There's a good front-page article in the Wash Post today (online access for now is subscriber-limited) about her time as mayor of Wasilla, summarizing
-how she fired the city librarian (for saying she would refuse to ban any books) before re-hiring her due to public outrage;
-how her city charged rape victims for their own rape kits;
-how she built an NHL-size hockey rink (on land the city didn't have clear title to) instead of the new city library citizens had been clamoring for for years;
-how she expanded the budget of the town by 50%
and more. The truth is coming out, and the voters who rushed to her thinking she is really a small-government, ethical reformer will leave as fast as they came.
Libs always say "the truth is coming out! Palin is done!" as McCain continues to surge in the polls (like MN, which used to be safe Democrat).
"Democrats always bet the farm on the "youth" vote and it never happens. They don't really care about anything but getting the money together to go to that next concert, or the new gizmo from Apple."
Thanks for that patronizing analysis, but that isn't true. My only opinion is based on my own experience, but in 2004 I was in college and while I voted, I know a lot of my friends didn't. We didn't talk about the election much.
I am at a different school now (for grad school) but the demographics are similar. The level of interest I have seen in this election compared to in '04 does not compare. Will it translate to the polls? I don't know....college/grad students and young profressionals on the whole work much harder than other age groups, so maybe they won't do their civic duty. But if I were a GOP supporter, I wouldn't count on it.
Whether it will really be different on election day remains to be seen, but the level of excitement/interest in the election is unlike anything in my lifetime.
"McCain continues to surge in the polls"
McCain continuing to surge in the polls? The national trackers are drifting towards Obama.
The MN poll is encouraging for McCain, but it's the first to come out since the RNC, so it's impossible to say that his momentum is still building. In fact, most evidence nationwide says it isn't.
It'll be a careful balance with Palin. If they let her talk to every media show there is then Americans will suffer from Palin fatigue.
If she continues to ignore the media then eventually the media will get the message and start ignoring her.
I get the feeling they are going for a middle ground approach with limited exposure to the media like the Gibson interview.
In the end some of the hype is bound to fade, that's just the nature of all things novel. It's just a matter of how well the McCain campaign can extend it.
National Trackers you say, justin?
MCCAIN HIT 50% FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY IN RAS!
If MN isn't encouraging for McCain, then CO's post dem convention 1-3 point lead for Obama CERTAINLY isn't encouraging for him.
Chuck, it technically adds up to 272 if you start with Kerry's 251 with one Minnesota defection to Edwards--but at least if there is a 269 tie we can be almost assured there will be no such accident (the elector in question had a senior moment, and quite frankly it was a microcosm of all the other problems the Democrats had around 2004 with all their Senate and House losses.)
> false claims about forcing creationism and banning books
False or exaggerated rumors floating around the net do not abolish these findings:
Palin is on record for peddling creationism as a viable "alternative" to evolution worth being discussed in science class, in accord with a common creationist tactic seeking to portray evolution as "just another theory"...
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html
…and having fired a librarian after she inquired about the possibility of banning books, probably motivated by her Church’s teachings:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5it8KyOqY5ZF4nQaF8rc4tX5tLvCgD93535600
this should be called McCain's 9-11 bounce. it will be insignificant after debates and further scrutiny of McCain's bullsiht ads
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