Well, we finally have what I would consider to be some fairly definitive polling on Sarah Palin's speech last night, and it would tend to support the consensus view (which I had tended to dissent from) that she did very well.
Survey USA polled 1061 voters who watched Palin's speech and asked them to grade it from A to F. 60 percent gave it an "A" and her average GPA was 3.1. Among Republicans, her GPA was 3.7, among independents it was 3.0, and among Democrats it was 2.2.
SurveyUSA did not conduct a national poll on Obama's convention speech but they did collect numbers in two important swing areas: Tampa-St. Petersburg and Columbus, Ohio. The numbers were literally almost identical both to one another and to Palin's speech. Obama got a 3.1 GPA overall in Columbus and a 3.0 overall in Tampa. In each region, he polled at a 3.6 among Democrats, a 3.0 among independents, and a 2.2 among Republicans -- the mirror image of Palin's numbers.
I would still make a distinction between a near-term emotional high and the longer-term persuasive ability of the speech, which means we'll want to wait a week or so before we take any numbers too seriously. But certainly, the smart money is on McCain-Palin getting a bump in the polls tomorrow.
9.04.2008
SurveyUSA: Palin's Speech Comparable to Obama's
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I would give her a high grade for her speech even though I disagree with both the tone and the substance and dislike her politics immensely. So what does a high grade really mean? Great delivery or persuasive?
I just don't get it. What did she say in the speech that was good?
If people liked it though, people liked it. Just because I don't understand it doesn't make it not true.
If 60% gave her an A, a lot of the remaining 40% gave it a D+ or lower.
Great speech, but if America elects Palin it has truly jumped the shark.
So many peopled expected so little that I am not surprised the grades were high...she did a fine job with delivery and she delivers a punchline well. I am more interested in seeing how it effects votes in the long run.
near-term emotional high and the longer-term persuasive ability
How are you qualified to distinguish between the two? You were emotionally affected by Obama's speech, not Palin's. The opposite is true of conservatives.
This is classic projection (or transference, I forget the difference).
Please, Nate, get back to the electoral analysis. Political punditry is not your niche.
Of course, that doesn't take into account the fact that expectations for Obama's speech were sky-high, while Palin's were abysmally low. Nonetheless, I think it's fair to say she cleared her low hurdle by about the same margin as he cleared his high one.
I'm with John. The poll's not capturing the difference between "I agree with Sarah Palin in my heart and soul" and "I thought she delivered her lines well."
She was a newscaster and a beauty queen. I expect her to present well. She's still (unimaginably) a bigger turd than McCain, who I used to respect, once upon a time.
After the smoke settles on all the slicing and dicing, she inspires the committed on both sides to entrench deeper, and she goes down in flames with the undecideds. I believe there are some numbers floating around to that effect.
I highly recommend everyone follow the link and look at the breakdown.
"If 60% gave her an A, a lot of the remaining 40% gave it a D+ or lower."
Here are the numbers:
A: 60%
B: 11%
C: 11%
D: 9%
F: 8%
Interestingly she did slightly better with females than males (more Bs, fewer Ds and Fs).
"I just don't get it. What did she say in the speech that was good?"
Apparently you and 60% of the country strongly disagree. Another 20% gave her B's and C's.
You gave her an F, making you part of 8% of America.
The most important finding is that a majority now thinks McCain will win. That is a huge swing from just a few weeks ago.
So sad that our country thinks this is even comparable. Will this be a JFK speech or a MLK speech? A bit of partisan hackery wroguht from the Bush administration. Sad the cynicism in America.
If we think Bush was bad, lets just wait and see what Palin would be like. Scary territory.
Before Obama's speech, everyone set major goals for its purposes that he had to show the Democratic Party that he could unify it around his ticket. He did so with enormous success.
Palin did the same (well, or so I perceived and party members testified) for the Republican Party, a task which the McCain ticket needed accomplished.
So they really were on parallel tasks, and succeeded outstandingly in each of their respective parties in that.
I didn't think either speech would have major lasting impact on "independents" (especially not on the 'leaners'), and so quick polling on that doesn't say a whole lot to me.
On the plus side for Democrats, the Democrats are a larger party, with more registered Democrats, and there are many states in which this matters, so a speech which polarizes one party has a beneficial effect on the other.
*cough* low information fucktards *cough*
Peterbilt:
Read the polling data, she's up strongly amongst independents. Read, think, learn.
At least one news outlet is reporting that McCain's speech will center on him "ending partisan rancor"...what the hell is the message of this convention? Palin demeans and mocks the Democratic ticket the night before and then McCain comes out to end partisan "rancor"? He just created it. This convention's planning is a disaster if this will be his key point.
Read the polling data, El Cid before you talk.
See Results on your claims of Palin flameout with indies:
Palin Speech Moves Independents: Results of two nationwide polls conducted by SurveyUSA show Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention on the evening of 09/03/08 has helped the McCain campaign.
24 hours ago, independent voters nationwide were split on whether Palin was an asset or a liability to McCain's campaign. Today, by a 2:1 margin, independents say Palin is an asset. Overnight, the percentage calling the Alaska governor an asset to the campaign climbed 13 points; the percentage calling her a liability fell 17 points.
The numbers are similar among moderates, who 24 hours ago viewed Palin as a liability by an 11 point margin; today, Palin is seen as an asset by an 18 point margin.
Betting Line Changes: 24 hours ago, when asked if they would bet on Obama or McCain becoming president, Obama was a 16:15 favorite; today, it's flipped, and McCain is favored by the same ratio.
Grading The Speech: Of those who watched Palin speak last night, 60% give the speech a grade of "A." When those giving lower grades are factored in and a standard grade point average computed on a 4-point scale, Palin scores a "B," overall. Among Republicans, she gets an "A-;" among Independents, a solid "B;" among Democrats, a "C."
Filtering: SurveyUSA interviewed 1200 adults in two separate surveys, on 09/03/08 and 09/04/08. In each survey, those identifying themselves as registered voters were asked the questions which followed.
I also don't get it. From what I've read in the national press and blogs, the majority of writers, and those posting comments, state that Palin was mean and sarcastic. I have to completely agree with them! I also work in a large corporate office building (blue state of California), and the buzz all over the building is that Palin's speech made her come across as a hateful, lying bitch!
And who dressed her?! Behind the podium was an average, knee-length, black skirt; no problem there. But all we saw above the podium was a dove-gray, Church Lady straight jacket with a collar. I guess all the wingnut Republitards could relate to the straight jacket.
Isn't it playing right into McCain's hands to be comparing whether the Veep on his ticket has more/less experience than the President on his opponent's ticket?
Please, Nate, get back to the electoral analysis. Political punditry is not your niche.
Seconded.
Low information fucktards is the best you can do?
No wonder the left is widely seen as bereft of new ideas and simply recycling the failed ideas of Great Society which the centrist governing Bill Clinton and Gingrich reversed, much to America's pleasure in the go go 90's.
Wake up lefties.
"SurveyUSA did not conduct a national poll ... they did collect numbers in two important swing areas: Tampa-St. Petersburg and Columbus, Ohio."
Neither of which are what you'd call Democratic strongholds.
I wonder what folks in other battleground states like Iowa would say??
New troopergate story - pile it on
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/palin.investigation/?iref=mpstoryview
I'd give her a C for last night. But then, I'm not moved by any speech that is long on rhetoric and short on substance, and that includes many of Obama's speeches.
The debate is where we will hopefully see what she is made of. I noticed she ducked out of her press conference today without taking any questions. Not a good sign.
I am not trying to crow here -- I know there is a lot of good and bad news for both sides in the next 60 days. I grant the insight that democrats provide on Obama speech. I did not like it very much but I realize I am not supporting him. I loved Sarah's speech. It was hard to believe that if I liked it so much, it would not ring true to many moderates or independents AT ALL. Sarah was Authentic and spoke to the angst of middle America. That is a group (maybe incorrectly) that they get dissed as stupid. I have seen those kind of comments on posts here.
naomi9 - "But then, I'm not moved by any speech that is long on rhetoric and short on substance"
Watch McCain's speech tonight -- it's supposed to be more focused on policy.
After all, he's the one who is running for President, not Palin.
Peterbilt said: The poll's not capturing the difference between "I agree with Sarah Palin in my heart and soul" and "I thought she delivered her lines well."
EXACTLY!!!!
This was the discussion today at the pleasantly redneck coffee shop where I like to drop in after hiking. The group all agreed she "gave a really good speech." The waitress said, "Gawd, that musta been hard for her, too. I couldn't of done it."
"But," one old boy asked the group (his name is Baxter and he wears suspenders, he's so cute...:-) "would you like her to be President?"
"What?!" everybody said, more or less in unison. "Are you CRAZY?"
Geoff: Stop being a douchebag. I know what the polling numbers say about independents right now. What did I say? What did I say, dorkwad? I said lasting.
Did I say Palin would flameout with independents? I said I expected neither Obama's nor Palin's speech to greatly affect the movement of non-leaning independents. Clean the wax out of your eyes.
It's hard to recall, but Obama's speech was just a week ago. Neither a 1 day poll from Palin's speech nor 1 week from Obama's counts as "lasting" by anyone sane.
For god's sake, read someone's comment first.
Obama fans and America-is-shark-jumping-worriers:
CALM DOWN.
Speeches fade. But her scandals keep on giving and will last for weeks. That's all people are going to hear about for the next 60. The Clintons and GOP went after Obama for ever on Ayers and Wright and CAC and whatnot and the best they got was "he was in the same room and next door and made legal transactions that were almost fishy" and whatnot. It's all old now. Ditto with McCain's Keating 5 stuff.
Palin's stuff is allll new. And we'll be hearing about it every day between now and the election, and it will knock the shine off. It only takes a point or two.
Poor Geoff, wrong again.
Cid:
Your incendiary comments belie a deep fear that you are completely wrong and disproven by the data.
By the way, the excuse on the CBS poll showing a tie today is the really low pollster rating Nate gives CBS.
Well, low and behold, Survey USA is #2 in the rankings.
Care to get out of that contradiction?
Silly lefties.
Hey filly, that's pre speech. Get with the times, ole buddy. :)
filistro -- If you want to know how the respondents felt about her on actual substance instead of just delivery, look at the asset/liability numbers.
On the whole, is Sarah Palin an asset to John McCain? A liability to McCain? Or, do you not know enough to say?
Asset: 55%
Liability: 24%
Don't know enough/Not sure: 22%
Compare with Biden:
On the whole, is Joe Biden an asset to Barack Obama? A liability to Obama? Or, do you not know enough to say?
Asset: 50%
Liability: 27%
Don't know enough/Not sure: 23%
David... I'll believe she's an asset when they finally release her from her secure undisclosed hermetically-sealed location and have her answer her very first question.
At the moment all she can do is "no harm"... at least until the next scandal rolls down the pike. (I predict that will happen in... oh, let's say about 13 hours.)
Geoff: No, my "incendiary" comments indicate that you attempted to sarcastically dispute something I didn't say. Thus, the "douchebag" label.
If you want to find some leftie to disagree with who is arguing that Palin's support is a flash in the pan or whatever, do so. That isn't what I said.
And please, when I want some pretentious internet right winger to attempt to textually intuit what obvious comments "belie", I'll be sure and look for you, but so far, your untalents are not needed.
Of course the speech was great. Her audience matched his and her speech held together better as a matter of narrative and theatre.
Obama was like the emcee at the Olympics. That French guy. Tons of blah, blah, blah.
Then Palin. Family first, advocacy for all, one of us.
This feeling will only grow with time. With each exposure she will reach out and invite you in. Men and women alike seemed attracted to her.
The wave is building my friends, it is building and it will rise and move the trackers and crest all over us, washing everything we believed to be true away.
A game changer.
More on those asset/liability numbers --
The whole point of choosing Biden was to shore up Obama's lack of foreign policy experience. Given that he chose someone with about as much foreign policy experience as humanly possible, the fact that he is seen as more of a liability to the ticket than Sarah Palin -- a first term governor from a tiny (by population) state who has plenty of... issues -- either says something very bad about Biden or very good about Palin.
filistro - oh it won't take 13 hours, it is already here. Now it is 2 ethics investigations underway. So much for ending corruption.
PeteKent - my goodness, man. and they say Obama has a cult following.
Don't count your movements before election day, m'kay?
So I'll comment on this one too...I'm independent and I can tell you that I felt more moved by Sarah Palin's speech than I did Barack Obama. Let me explain why. Sarah Palin's speech connected more personally with me than anyone else. Barack Obama is amazing, his speeches are always cool. But after the speech is over I can't help but feel what Sarah Palin pointed out: what am I left with after the glittery words and the soaring oratory? Truth be told, the media's focus on personal issues like her family, as well as her special needs child, probably makes me focus more on the fact that she is more like me than Barack Obama. She's not like me on the issues. I don't agree with her on 90% of the issues. But, I connected with her speech in a way that I did not with Barack Obama's speech.
Geoff, buddy...
You did know there was going to be a Republican convention, right? The rest of us knew that, and really, kind of expected that there would be a bounce for McCain/XXX coming out of it.
Sure, we hoped he'd blow things big time, but you can't count on that.
So, really, can the smug attacks, if you don't want to look like a doof. The game isn't over yet.
Wow Cid, you really are grasping at straws to defend your obviously false post based on verbal dexterity.
You really should read polls before you comment on them, even the power of the Messiah cannot change a published poll's figures.
Then Palin. Family first, advocacy for all, one of us.
This feeling will only grow with time. With each exposure she will reach out and invite you in. Men and women alike seemed attracted to her.
The wave is building my friends, it is building and it will rise and move the trackers and crest all over us, washing everything we believed to be true away.
Wow, I guess the religious right squads are already showing up at sites like this, because for people trying to make fun of Obama fans for feeling too much ecstasy, that sounds like we just shared a moment with this guy which should have been private.
Geoff: Douchebag -- Literally, I didn't say what you said I said. Read the f***ing paragraph. There is no "verbal dexterity", unless you're trying to say that you're just too stupid to understand words. If you're feeling your oats, why don't you quote where I said what you think I said?
Jon ole buddy:
Lefties were dancing on Cainer's grave yesterday and the day before on here, so a little comeuppance was due.
Honestly, I just like the intellectual exercise. I'm a centrist and enjoy playing the unconventional side.
Aright Cid, ya wore me down. Your reliance on the terms major and lasting arguably make your post coherent. :)
OMG Palin's speech was awful. Her speech was so empty and void of her own PLANS, full of vicious attacks, and lacking any justfication for why people should put their trust in her. OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE.
I'm a woman, and I think she sounded like an angry woman at Macy's the day after the One-Day Sale. Attack after attack. I'm offended that McCain thought he'd sway Hillary supporters with this choice - most everything Palin stands for is against what the Hillary supporter wants.
I'm offended that McCain choose someone so unprepared, that he would deem his #2 position to the hands of a silly novice. What an irresponsible choice.
Geoff: No problem, sometimes there's a point you just want to make and someone's comment seems to be the one you want to hang it around. I've done it plenty. But if called on it, check twice, and clarify or correct if needed.
Half of me doesn't get this and yet the other half was expecting it all along.
She is a third rate speaker with an OK scripting team. Her beliefs are frightening, her record is wretched. And yet...the "home run" response was *so* damn predictable
Put her success down to a Forrest Gump like love of the mediocre, blended with cheesy sex appeal and the PTA factor
All - the latest update on "Water Breakgate" is here.
The lies are startling to unravel and you will find the latest interesting.
A week or so more and she will be back in AK.
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3587
Not just the Enquirer but the WaPO and others like CNN are on the track now.
David, I think it says something bad about the American public. Specifically, that the last 8 years of Republican rule have twisted them so much that they no longer think rationally. It's sad - it's like watching the fall of the republicans. The lunatics have won, and all the Republicans had to do was offer them bread and circuses.
Easy to get an A when the curve's so steep. Let's see when she has the real test.
My over/under is Monday for Palin to officially jump the shark and show permanent decline, along with the steady erosion of McCain's numbers. They made a BIG mistake in p*ssing off the Obama base, because even if Barack and Biden take the high road, we'll make sure people know of her corruption and craziness. And the Dems won't be complacent after this.
And McCain gets lost entirely in the shuffle. Soon to be a footnote having to defend his crazy VP....Sympathy bounce ends by 9/9 and Obama leads consistently by 3-5 from thereon in (barring any goof-ups, of course).
James at 727 is exactly the demographic I am talking about. He demonstrates Palin's potency.
Imagine what she will do when she is atop the ticket?
Sarah Palin: the presumptive presidential nominee post McCain.
Good one on me El Cid. Nothing I like better than satire -- and publicity!
Did you guys just see that 9/11 Video. I hat the Republican party. They SUCK and need to change. That was ridiculous!!!
Like Nate, I expect to see a bounce start to register in the polls tomorrow.
But I have to ask: what moron designed this poll? The questions are ambiguous; none of them get to basic issues like "are you more/less likely to vote for Mcain/Obama?" and "if the election were held today..." In other words, we have to *guess* whether moving independents on the "asset" question is equivalent to moving them on the "voting" question.
This is basic stuff. Horse-race polls are a waste of time. Horse-race polls that don't ask questions likely to mean the same thing to different people are even more of a waste of time.
I actually was looking at someone else's comment and misnamed you as the culprit.
Forget Sarah Palin...it's Lindsey Graham that has the shrill voice.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/20m-challenge-now-spread-the-w.php
SPREAD THE WORD. Let's ALL make a statement and raise 20 MILLION for Barack Obama before tommorow morning. Let's show that even on a so called "republican night" us democrats WILL BE HEARD.
To me the most galling thing in the SurveyUSA poll is the response to the last question. 54 percent think the media is rooting for Obama; only 8 percent think the media is rooting for McCain. How can such a huge majority have it so obviously backward? We haven't had a liberal media in this country at least since the Nixon days. Is it just that the Republicans have been screaming "liberal media" so loud and long that everybody just believes it, when by any objective measure the exact opposite is the case?
I wouldn't argue that Palin had a polished delivery. But, let's not forget that 'reading' someone else's words on a teleprompter convincingly is different from writing your own speech because it's what you believe. You may still use a teleprompter to keep you on track, but there is a world of difference.
Palin was an actress delivering a script. Obama was a statesman delivering what he believed.
Let's see how see does when she's not scripted by the Bush handlers. I predict the only place will you ever see her is on Fox News.
In the interest of honest debate, Geoff, try including some facts with your contempt.
Newsvine: Palin causes undecided voters to flock to Obama:
http://gbixler.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/01/1811910-palin-causes-undecided-voters-to-flock-to-obama
God, I spend too much time on the internet.
This long comment starts with a note about the speech comparison, but is mostly about a comparison of qualifications taking off from the line that a mayor has responsibilities but a community organizer does not. It combines material gathered around the net over a couple of days, along with my own observations. I apologize to those who see their own thoughts but are not credited explicitly. In particular much of the comparison list originated in the work of SanteFeMarie at Kos, who deserves credit. A brother added the Giuliani lines. I have been advised that the material is helpful. Here you go:
The nation is under attack, just as Rudy Giuliani said at the Republican convention.
The United States of America is under attack by the Republican party.
Sarah Palin joined the attacking force Wednesday night. Mrs. Palin had one chance last night to introduce herself to the nation and the world. She chose to do it with a vicious speech, a “speech to nowhere” as one person noted. Compare her speech to Obama’s debut on the world stage in 2004 – a speech which is most remembered for his line that we are not a red America or a blue America but the United States of America capable of being and doing more, together.
Palin featured a high nastiness level. Palin read the speech competently, but mostly she looked like she enjoyed every second of delivering the zingers and was even amused when she knew she was blatantly lying. The speech wasn't meant to inspire but to divide — it was not about our better selves or what we might be able to accomplish as a nation — it was all about rage, sarcasm, resentment, mockery, and disdain for the poor. The use of “community organizer” as some kind of character flaw, both in her speech and throughout the night, is a rhetorical tactic designed to conjure images of poor black people making trouble.
Palin’s speech will, in fact, be most remembered for the line that “being mayor is kind of like being a community organizer, but with actual responsibilities.”
So let’s make a few comparisons between Obama and Palin, remembering he is running against McCain, but taking on the notion that she is actually more qualified than he.
Qualification Comparison (from various sources)
1980 - 1984
Obama: B.A. in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University.
Palin: Wasilla High School, captain of the state-champion basketball team. Miss Wasilla, competed in the Miss Alaska pageant.
1985 - 1990
Obama: after graduating from Columbia, moved to Chicago; became a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization on Chicago's far South Side. This was time period when the local steel plants had been closed or off-shored, and the neighborhood was in dire need. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.
Obama moved to Boston to attend Harvard Law School. Selected as an editor and then elected the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.
Palin: Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, with a minor in political science from the University of Idaho after transfer from North Idaho (Junior) College, with 3 other colleges thrown in. Brief stint as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations; left to join her husband in commercial fishing business.
1991 - 1995
Obama: graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School; received contract and advance to write a book ("Dreams from my Father") as well as a fellowship at the University of Chicago Law School. Directed the Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.
Appointed as a Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Active in several community organizations, usually as a board member.
Palin: flirted with the Alasaka Independence Party which advocates "Alaska First" and state secession from the U.S. (Husband Todd was a member till 2002.) Elected to Wasilla city council.
1996 - 2000
Obama: promoted to Senior Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. Turns down offer of tenure. Elected to the Illinois Senate from District 13, a Chicago area district with a population in 2006 of 780,000 (compared to total state population in Alaska of 670,000 in 2008). Served in State Senate from 1997 to 2004. Sponsored more than 800 bills. In 2000, lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.
Palin: elected as mayor of Wasilla (population then 5,470 when elected), defeating her opponent 616 votes to 413. The post is part-time.
Town budget when she starts about $5 million, when she leaves office about $8 million (a 60% growth in city expenditures). Wasilla has approximately 50 employees including a town administrator who handles city administration. Reduced property taxes but increased sales taxes. Fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. (He then sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right, under state law, to fire city employees even for political reasons.) Fires all city management people at one point as a “test of loyalty to her.”
Hired a DC lobbyist to bring $27 million in earmarks to the city (but later claims she is against earmarks). Earmarks go to various projects, the biggest of which is a hockey center. (I think such earmarks are fine, but the point is now she lies about being against them.) Wasilla had zero debt when she enters office but she leaves office with the city in debt of over $22 million, including $15 million-plus for construction of the hockey center which was built on a piece of property that the city didn’t have clear title to, a matter still in litigation. Attempted to ban books from the city library and fired librarian when she refused, but later relents due to protests.
2001 - 2004
Obama: re-elected in 2002 as State Senator, and became Chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee.
Publically spoke out against the invasion of Iraq BEFORE the congressional authorization in 2002, and then again before the actual invasion in 2003.
Wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.
November 2004: elected to the US Senate from Illinois, receiving over 3.5 million votes, more than 70% of total.
Palin: elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. Unsuccessful bid for lieutenant governor, coming in second in a five-way race in the Republican primary, receiving 19,000 votes. Appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, served as chairman from 2003 to 2004 and also served as Ethics Supervisor. Resigned in protest over the "lack of ethics" of fellow Republican members. Exposed the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, for doing party work on public time and working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Director of Ted Stevens' 527 group.
2005 to present
Obama: Sworn in as the fifth-ever African-American U.S. senator. Worked with Republican Senator Lugar to author and implement a program to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMD's. Designated by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as the party's point man on ethics. Worked with Russ Feingold to pass a major ethics/lobbying reform bill. Cosponsored, with John McCain, the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3 percent every year for 15 years). In total a sponsor or co-sponsor of 150 bills or more (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate
It is true that Obama has not sponsored any bills to give tax breaks to the wealthy, and perhaps that is what Palin meant when she said he has not sponsored one piece of “important” legislation.
Assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Veterans' Affairs, and Homeland Security. Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. Campaigns for 18 months to become the Democratic presidential nominee, receiving on the order of 20 million votes. Currently manages 2,500 campaign employees and a budget of $40-$50 million/month.
Palin: 2005: board member, Valley Hospital Association, which runs the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla.
2006: Became youngest and first female Governor of Alaska, taking office in December, 2006. Received 114,600 votes. The population of Alaska is 683,478 and more than 50% of the state budget comes from oil revenues, not taxes as in other states.
Attempted to auction the Governor's jet on eBay. Took on fellow-Republican Senator Ted Stevens regarding the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska. Helped pass a wind-fall tax increase on oil company profits, distributed to Alaska residents. Formed a sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change but does not accept that it caused in part by humans. Objected to listing polar bears as an endangered species because it might hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat. Was for the “bridge to nowhere” while campaigning for Governor, now pretends that she was not. Alaska kept the federal money but did not build the bridge. Supported abstinence-only education. Currently under a bipartisan investigation for abuse of power for dismissing Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother in-law.
Obtained her first passport in 2007 to perform visits to the Alaska National Guard in Kuwait and Germany. (Foreign experience is so limited that an airplane refueling stopover in Ireland is listed on her resume as foreign travel experience.) Lives next-door to Russia.
It is easy to find facts like these if you just go to, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and search Obama or Sarah Palin.
I am not sure why so many people think she gave a great speech. I would give it a C at best.
I am a Republican and strongly support McCain's campaign; additionally, I am very socially conservative, and see most issues like Palin.
That said, she looked amateurish, like she had no right to be on stage, like she was just saying what McCain's people told her to.
That said, the things she said were good, even if her presence was poor, and I am not sure her inexperience is much worse than Obama's; she's just not a great speaker.
I guess, however, the Republicans are in luck; maybe this will reverse Obama's convention bounce which was looking pretty deadly.
This survey don't tell us much. ``Did Sarah Palin's speech make you more or less likely to vote for John McCain?'' is the relevant question. I could give an A+ to a jumping seal act but that don't mean a jumping seal should be president.
Similarwise with the asset/liability question. ``Does Joe Biden/Sarah Palin make you more or less likely to vote for Obama/McCain?'' Is what gives you useful information.
I really don’t get it. Maybe bc I have been living overseas for the past eight years and America has just changed that much. Or maybe my politics has moved a lot further left than I ever imagined. Or both.
I watched Sarah Palins speech twice. First I watched it and I found it white trash, crass and 100% void of substance. I sms’ed my friend in the states and they said it was “great”. I thought I had down loaded the wrong speech, so I trudged ahead, found a different version and watched it again.
This time it really pissed me off. I was so different than Obama’s speech. I felt good after his speech even though I did not agree with all of it. With Palins speech I felt almost dirty. She is a terrible speaker who simply played the false divide between rural and urban America. I am from a town with 1000 people and I did not relate to any of it. I don’t hate people that live in cities and I am damn well sure I don’t think they are less American. And to suggest that Democrats are not moral or patriotic was foolish. Obama was right in his speech. He said, “Patriotism has not party…” Why the hell did the Republicans or the press not get this message.
I am so disappointed in American’s for the positive view they give this speech and this person. She was degrading, crass, belittling and above all she represented the fox news, inaccurate, crap ass politics that we should be moving away from. I am also disappointed for the press not putting speech through the ringer. Its almost like the expected her to fail so badly that when she did an half ass job they were like the Messiah had come. Shame on the press, shame on America. If that is the type of politics and slander that Americans really believe, it blows my mind. Hopefully….HOPEFULLY…America is bigger and better than this.
I cannot believe I once considered myself a quasi republican. I am ashamed.
What criteria exactly were used in this grading scheme? My guess is that many people graded on a curve, calibrated to what they expected (not much).
I agree with Daniel Nexon and "kingfish". The survey does not tell us much.
I too believe she is an asset to McCain and the Repubs, but I was moved to donate to Obama because of her divisive lying rhetoric.
A couple of other observations about the polls:
There were 3% more Repubs than dems in the entire sample (36% to 33%). Independents accounted for 26%. However if you look at the #'s for those who heard the speech, it is 40%-29%-27%, R-D-I.
The data presented for the questions represents the answers of the entire sample. Both the people who heard the speech and those who didn't. A full 25% in the sample did not hear the speech.
Given all of this, I do not know how anybody can draw any reasonable conclusions on if people are more or less likely to vote for McCain/Palin based on the speech.
I don't think these grades mean a whole lot for either Obama or Palin unless someone can show us an example of a speech that was graded poorly.
I suspect there's a strong tendency to simply give a good grade to anything that's delivered with a smile, is halfway interesting, and doesn't contain any obvious verbal flubs.
For anyone who's been a teacher or a student, it's similar to the ceiling effects you get on course evaluations.
What I don't get is that if the Democrats have such a party ID advantage, and the approval/disapproval split along party lines, with independents ranking both Obama and Palin pretty much the same, how do they come out with the same average score?
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