9.04.2008

St. Paul: Thursday Night Liveblog #1

9:09 CDT: [Nate]. I think McCain's goals tonight are fairly obvious. To hit a double, reach out to the center. To hit a triple, find some way to distinguish himself from Bush. And to hit a home run, do all of the above with more specificity about the economy than "drill, baby, drill!".

8:58 CDT: [Nate]. Just kind of a slow, somber night, but obviously, that's sort of the mood they're going for. I don't think it's a bad idea to choke up on the bat a little after Palin.

8:53 CDT: [Nate] I think the more interesting story is that Obama has unleashed Clinton to go after Palin. By the way, there's just not much to say about Cindy. To quite Keith Olbermann, it's the kind of thing you'll like, if you like that kind of thing.

8:39 CDT: [Sean] The Rep. Lynn Westmoreland: “Obama is uppity” story is gaining traction. You know it if it breaks through the top of Halperin during the convention.

8:29 CDT: [Sean] All right, perhaps I need to explain more fully what the Captain’s Corner is. I alluded to it the other night, but it’s basically the free upscale bar downstairs from the Press Filing Center. There are some journalists and a bunch of RNC partygoers enjoying the hospitality and large TVs. I rationalized: “I won’t miss Tom Ridge’s speech, I’ll be down in the Captain’s Corner watching. I’ll update when I get back up.”

Nope. The guys are all watching the game down there. And while the outcome is potentially in doubt, it’s unlikely the score will result in overtime. And CNN (the other TVs down there) didn’t carry Ridge’s speech. So on Ridge… sorry, everybody… I got nothin’.

8:14 CDT: [Nate] Is that a Casio Keyboard remix of the theme song from Dallas in the Sarah Palin video?

8:08 CDT: [Sean] Graham accuses Obama of offering troops “a patronizing pat on the back.” Then steals Obama’s line: “I’m not saying Barack Obama doesn’t care, Barack Obama doesn’t get it.”

8:05 CDT: [Sean] Lindsey Graham: “Thank God for Joe Lieberman.”

8:03 CDT: [Sean] Lindsey Graham is up, and he is back on the full Obama attack. “Obama and his buddies at MoveOn.org.”

7:57 CDT: [Sean] That is either the sound of the unabridged John Fogarty "Centerfield" song and delegate dancing you hear, or, alternatively, the sound of Tim Pawlenty cursing out the convention schedulers for giving him three and half minutes. Now we have Kenny Loggins' "Highway to the Danger Zone" going.

7:51 CDT: [Sean] This is high performance art. I am not sure if Joe Gibbs knows where he is. This is not a speech about politics. This is a Joe Gibbs-about-Joe Gibbs speech. Imagine being sent to sports-cliche hell, and add 100 mentions of God, that's the speech.

7:50 CDT: [Nate] Proving that truth is stranger than our bad jokes, McCain will literally accept the nomination at 9:11 central tonight.

7:49 CDT: [Sean] Please, God, someone put this Gibbs speech up on YouTube.

7:42 CDT: [Sean] Video in the hall is somber 9/11 montage.

7:36 CDT: [Nate] Gallup has the score Giants 20, Redskins 6. Rasmussen has them ahead 14-7. But Zogby Interactive has it Redskins 11, Giants 5.

7:32 CDT: [Sean] "Footloose! Footloose! Kick off your Sunday shoes!" They raced through five speeches at breakneck speed in order to play "Footloose" for three minutes and show delegates dancing in the aisles.

7:27 CDT: [Sean] Whiplash continues. Up and down, up and down. Sam Brownback is up, and there was a whole speech (Lt. Gen. Carol Mutter, Ret.) in between. (Sorry about the score posting, I forgot about spoilers. That was an early score, and already more stuff has happened. My apologies.) Brownback tries the Clinton line: "Yes! We! Will!" It's about equally effective.

7:19 CDT: [Sean] Frist already up and done. This is fast. It's all about McCain and vouching for his character, not much Obama-bashing. Not sure if they're saving it for prime time, but I'm not hearing much of last night's mockery.

7:15 CDT: [Sean] I am going to try to convince Nate to post his roster(s) in the comments and I'll post mine. In actual RNC news, they are sprinting through the speeches, seemingly determined to get to the McCain speech on time with no cramping. Pawlenty had a brief speech, sounded safe, bread and butter. Nate says it wasn't on the nets, but we have the C-Span feed in the Xcel Press Filing Center. Pawlenty would not have been the risky pick. McCain definitely shook up the race when he opted not to do the predictable.

7:13 CDT: [Nate] Burress already has 5 catches for 84 yards but can't seem to find the end zone. Wait, this is a politics forum?

7:03 CDT: [Sean] Martinez speaking. People at the poker table used to ask me who I thought McCain should pick as a VP. I would typically reply, if there were a Latino Republican who isn't Mel Martinez, that's the way to go. If McCain gets crushed in the Latino vote, it's a macro demographic death knell.

7:00 CDT: [Sean] Welcome to our final live night coverage of the Republican National Convention from here in St. Paul! Are you ready for some footb Senators? Tonight’s featured speakers include Joe Watkins (speaking now), Mel Martinez, "Sarah Pawlenty’s" husband Tim, Bill Frist, San Brownback, Joe Gibbs, Lindsey Graham, Tom Ridge, Cindy McCain, and the nominee himself. The intro video of Sarah Palin that Rudy’s 30-minute primetime speech bumped last night is re-scheduled between Graham and Ridge in the 8pm Central hour. Finally, our long national nightmare is finally over, as the tyranny of a baseball-only summer ends. 2d quarter score: NYG 13, Washington 0. By the way, 538 Nation, we’re rooting against Plaxico Burress tonight. This 84 yard stuff early in the 2d is not cool. Not cool at all.

291 comments

beowulf said...

SNED - I would say that Obama's results in Indiana should be utterly shocking to Republicans. Kerry lost the state by 21 points, Gore by 16...and even Clinton by 5 and 6%. For Obama to be down 2 is telling.

Rhys said...

"Watch those upstanding "family issues" delegates applaud the mistress who helped John McCain break up his first marriage."

Being a Republican means never having to say you're sorry.

Aussie said...

bjb sai:
You want me to support a man that would botch a rescue mission to Iran like Jimmy C. I will never vote for the party of the weak.

bjb - Jimmy Carter didn't botch the mission. Delta Force and the Military did.
At least Jimmy Carter had the balls to approve the mission...

Justin said...

God Cindy is speaking...makes me wanna gag. For one, "John shakes things up" give me a freakin break..."as a fellow hockey mom" yeah right you elite-ist snob, and for christs' sake, quit saying Vietnam like an old vet would say it

Virginia Conservative said...

Dukakis once thought he had a shot at Indiana, too.

Mason said...

The oxymoronic nature of the clear wrong (negligent homicide) done to the private and the clear right of maintaining discipline and honor in the Core is the whole point of the movie, boss.

And the jury of fellow Naval and Marine officers found that the ends did not justify the means.

But it's only a movie.

Rhys said...

Let's be honest about Cindy. This is the same sort of fluffy personal story speech Michelle Obama gave.

She's not a politician. She's doing just fine.

filistro said...

Oh c'mon Geoff... I was here late last night when the party was winding down, and you were running around with a pair of panties on your head, so excited about Palin's speech that you kept spilling drinks on everybody.

Baz744 said...

The Westmoreland "uppity" story has Republican race-baiting written all over it.

Rhys said...

"Dukakis once thought he had a shot at Indiana, too."

Yeah, and McCain thought he had a shot at Pennsylvania.

Oh wait, that was *this* century.

Joe said...

roddick's making his stand here in the 3rd.

Baz744 said...

"Uppity" obviously designed to call to mind the phrase "uppity negro," while retaining deniability about racist undertone. "It's just an adjective for elitist" after all.

This isn't a fight we can win, progressives. Yes, it's racist. No, middle America doesn't see it or care. Best not to get too worked up about it.

Virginia Conservative said...

In this century, your nominee didn't even carry his home state in 2000. :)

13 said...

Let's just sum it up...

It's just Palingate.... The epitome of everything that is wrong with America!!!!!

eve said...

"Watch those upstanding "family issues" delegates applaud the mistress who helped John McCain break up his first marriage."

Republicans only believe in holding other people to the standards of those alleged values. For themselves, anything goes as long as no one leaks it.

Rhys said...

"In this century, your nominee didn't even carry his home state in 2000. :)"

You don't know who my candidate was in 2000, fucknugget.

Tim R said...

Think we will see any pictures of Mc Cain's first wife after she had her car accident? You know, he said she didn't look the same so he walked out on her. Real nice guy......

Alex S. said...

She is doing ok, ít´s now starting to get a bit too long, but she does it the only way she could do it.

Rhys said...

"This is a good man. A worthy man. I know. That's why I stole him from his wife."

beowulf said...

VC - I never said I thought Obama had a shot at Indiana, personally I don't think he can win it...but the sheer margin in the polling so far tells us something. I also don't think the comparison will ever be valid between Dukakis and Obama...although I am sure many Republicans would love it.

Geoff said...

Yes, Cindy is an awful speaker.

The pictures of her work were good tho.

Joe said...

i think a LOT of people see "uppity" for what it is.

Rhys said...

"i think a LOT of people see "uppity" for what it is."

Pray that independents are less stupid than that GOP redneck brigade. That's all that will save this country.

Geoff said...

Cmon filly i was just rebutting the lefty slander. Playing against conventional wisdom is the place to be. :)

Chris said...

Say what you want about Democrats, but at least they make some attempt to grasp the concept of the "common good." Republicans would rather publicly ridicule their own countrymen while dancing around the flag than to help make any of our lives better.

Trying to trick the American people into thinking that the Dems will Tax-and-Spend us into oblivion and make us unsafe is not a public policy platform. It's hypocrisy.

And no, I am not a card-carrying Democrat. I am an independent and I find this behavior extremely... wait for it... "UNAMERICAN."

Geoff said...

Indiana has a third of its area in Obama's Illinois media market. This is expected, folks.

robtomorrow said...

Now we are going to get the POW story for the umpteenth time in video.

beowulf said...

Chris - great post and I agree.

Rhys said...

They did it again! I hope Chuck Berry sues those bastids!

filistro said...

Geoff, Geoff... you were buying Mccain futures at 45!

If that's not rabid, irrational partisanship, I don't know what is.

You were kinda cute in those panties, though ;-)

Bob said...

bjb - Jimmy Carter didn't botch the mission. Delta Force and the Military did.

Actually Aussie, the problem was there was no Delta Force at the time. The failed rescue underscored the US lack of a lightning ground strike force and Delta Force was born.

Rachmiel said...

Did you catch the sign?: "Terrorists Beware of Sarah (Just Ask Obama)"

How long are the Repubes going to be allowed to call Obama a terrorist? When will ppl call them on that?

Rhys said...

"Republicans would rather publicly ridicule their own countrymen while dancing around the flag than to help make any of our lives better."

Yep.

Not to mention the countrymen they send to their deaths, so they can then exploit their coffins to get re-elected.

Stomach-turning.

beowulf said...

Geoff - that is the same line they used before the Indiana primary and it didn't change the results in those counties. I remember waiting up until 2 in the morning for the NW county results thinking "they will go all Obama since they are in his market"...nope. This is more than than media market.

robtomorrow said...

Now we are going to get the POW story for the umpteenth time in video form.

Rhys said...

What POW story?

johnsonct5 said...

Was McCAin a POW? I never knew that...

13 said...

this is so damn halarious.... youtube cuts of this crew tomorrow are going to funny as anything we've seen yet!!!!!!

Geoff said...

That is true Mason. And that is why this is such an intriguing election and so very much is at stake for America and the world.

NFL over, let the network coverage begin!

TorrentPrime said...

Eve, at the risk of sounding like I stepped off the cast of Ugly Betty: Snap, girl!

jeanine said...

Nate, please talk about what happened to make the electoral count, the win percentage and the popular vote go up. Did something happen in a few states or something more general or...

Actually, I would like an explanation of each of these.

thanks!

dominoid73 said...

Hahahahaha

Five words in - A POW

Geoff said...

No, boss, i bought at 38 a few weeks ago. I would never buy at 45- i said cainer will be at 45 by Monday PM and then i'll sell, make a grand. :)

j said...

why can the repubs not afford to get real music instead of these grating midi sequences?!

GregM said...

I guess they have the same Dallas-esque music for the McCain video.

Will he really begin speaking at 9:11?

Virginia Conservative said...

The music sounds like something from a Super Nintendo game circa 1991.

dominoid73 said...

Jeanine - an uptick in the Daily trackers today (Gallup) combined with the great (for Obama) polls from Time/CNN in Iowa, Minnesota & Ohio released yesterday, but being entered into the equation today.

James said...

Rhys,
Please for one night be civil. I know you hate McCain and right-leaning people, but tonight, please let us have our night. When the speech is done, then you can critique all you want like we did with Obama's speech.

Craig said...

How many bio flicks do we have to see with the same stories? Why haven't we heard about the first wife?

Alex S. said...

jeanine, there were very positive state polls fron CNN and a ton of positive national polls for Obama right after the democratic convention. The model projects good national numbers onto single states so we can get an election night projection even if we don´t have recent polls from that state. And so, a lot of states look much better for Obama with much better national numbers, even though there were no polls from some of these states.

robtomorrow said...

I wonder if they will tell the part about how he devorced his wife.

Alex S. said...

That music..is it... plagiarism?

TorrentPrime said...

gregm:
*HEAD ASPLODE*

Rhys said...

Hey, I am not mocking his little video and I am one of the only people who said something nice about Cindy's speech. Don't push your luck. :)

Geoff said...

Here Here James - civility is king.

McCain is a great man, he may have strayed from being a great man some by pandering to win the primary, but McCain is a great American. He has sacrificed much for this country and deserves respect at least.

Please rage on his policies and flip flops all day and night until the election. Do not claim he has not sacrificed for his country and is a great man for that alone.

TorrentPrime said...

J:
"why can the repubs not afford to get real music instead of these grating midi sequences?!"

that makes me wonder about the cultural tastes of the audience as well as the people hired to create the multimedia. What's the age of the average delegate at RNC vs. DNC? I've seen the racial breakdowns a bunch.

Alex S. said...

Oh, yeah, his imprisonment made McCain the man he is now, I get it. He is the POW, the POW is him.

sixfifty said...

Liking your coverage of the RNC. Just an observation from back here in UK. It seems to me that McCain is running the campaign that if Kerry had run in 04 he would have won. Its as though he learnt from Kerry's mistakes but is still fighting as though we were in '04 and "freedom", security and perpetuating a sense of fear were the main things to do.

Geoff said...

I would agree the music really, really sucked.

Too bad they didn't get a real media consultant.

Geoff said...

Here it comes folks.

If Cainer steps up, he probably wins.

Tito said...

Need a new thread.

Also, I don't think anyone on the McCain side has the right to tell anyone on the Obama side to be civil when you guys are insisting that Democrats hate America. Fuck you. Republicans sure as hell don't have the markey cornered on patriotism or love of country, so get off of it lest you want to start being accused of sounding like Germany circa 1938.

13 said...

This is D- movie at best..... pleezzzz... and the scary in the dark voice-over ending thing???? wtf?????

Mike said...

Is Rhys calling Palin a bimbo again?

Like handing a .38 AND a .45 to your political opponents...

Mike said...

Is Rhys calling Palin a bimbo again?

Like handing a .38 AND a .45 to your political opponents...

Geoff said...

(rolling a phatty for the festivities)
(centrists can be cool)

Rhys said...

I've always respected his service. I was a huge McCain fan when he actually was the maverick he's trying to run on in this election.

I don't care if anyone believes that or not. They also wouldn't believe how much I wanted Bush to win in 2000.

The jokes about the POW are related to his constant exploitation of that service for political reasons, to the exclusion of substantive discussion. And the implications that this makes him more American than others.

That is wrong. And while I am willing to give him credit for what he did 40 years ago, I am *not* willing to allow him to deceive America into the white house on the basis of his military service. There's a line, and he's well, well over it.

beowulf said...

sixfifty - I guess that fits the whole convention...every speech and movie clip was about the past and re-writing much of it...makes sense he thinks it is 2004;)

Virginia Conservative said...

Everytime rhys clicks the "publish comment" button, McCain picks up five votes.

Joe said...

another green screen?

dominoid73 said...

You Cannot Win An Occupation

Classic.

filistro said...

GREEN SCREEN!

TorrentPrime said...

Geoff and James: In that spirit:
When it became clear that McCain had taken the nomination earlier in the year, I realized with some startlement that I experienced a huge, huge sigh of relief. I decided that I no longer felt near terror that I would if, say, Huckabee or 9ui11iani or Romney was going to get it. I completely felt that if a Democrat didn't end up in the WH, I would be ok. I don't like who the man has become since then, but I absolutely respected him.

Virginia Conservative said...

Green? PUKE GREEN? RLY?

Do they learn anything?

13 said...

OH NO!!!!

not the GREEN BACKDROP.... oooooo... bad choice..... timing.... everyone's off... a terrible elementary school orchestra....

goethean said...

Cindy McCain is an alien.

skylights said...

Ooh, this is too perfect: The GREEN SCREEN is back! What were they thinking?! Begin the next green screen challenge!

robtomorrow said...

except when she's a "c***" I guess

johnsonct5 said...

His daring Colbert to do another green screen challenge....tons of exsposure amongst the young'uns for no cost

Virginia Conservative said...

Phew! They got rid of it.

skylights said...

That's not the kind of exposure you want. There IS such a thing as bad publicity.

Terrell said...

What a sweet tribute to his opponent... how quickly will he again accuse Obama and his supporters of treason as his buddy Lindsey Graham did a few minutes ago.

Geoff said...

My backdrop is blue...strange...

Virginia Conservative said...

He kicked that idiots ass.

Bob said...

chants of "Keep Us Safe"

That's their driving motivation - their salient 'point' they want from their president?

Disturbing and scary. Is 'their personal fear really their driving motivation and its not just a campaign tactic?

Geoff said...

I'm glad he is off the militarism kick as i think its a little too much.

I like the family state talk...but it is just pure pandering...is this really what Americans need to hear?

I am hoping for policy on the economy VERY SOON.

Bob said...

And now the booing...

Republicans are just mean petty people as a group, or at least the ones that make the delegate cut at any rate.

Geoff said...

This is better - anti corruption, which really is Cainer's singular preoccupation, all partisanship aside.

Geoff said...

"wishing away the global economy"

NEw jobs - wont go away.

Best thing he's said all night.

13 said...

best description ever!!!

GaMeS said... September 4, 2008 9:38 PM

13 said...

where's his lapel pin, Sean Hannity????

13 said...

is he trying to end like Dennis Kucinich???