9:09 CDT: [Nate]. I think McCain's goals tonight are fairly obvious. To hit a double, reach out to the center. To hit a triple, find some way to distinguish himself from Bush. And to hit a home run, do all of the above with more specificity about the economy than "drill, baby, drill!".
8:58 CDT: [Nate]. Just kind of a slow, somber night, but obviously, that's sort of the mood they're going for. I don't think it's a bad idea to choke up on the bat a little after Palin.
8:53 CDT: [Nate] I think the more interesting story is that Obama has unleashed Clinton to go after Palin. By the way, there's just not much to say about Cindy. To quite Keith Olbermann, it's the kind of thing you'll like, if you like that kind of thing.
8:39 CDT: [Sean] The Rep. Lynn Westmoreland: “Obama is uppity” story is gaining traction. You know it if it breaks through the top of Halperin during the convention.
8:29 CDT: [Sean] All right, perhaps I need to explain more fully what the Captain’s Corner is. I alluded to it the other night, but it’s basically the free upscale bar downstairs from the Press Filing Center. There are some journalists and a bunch of RNC partygoers enjoying the hospitality and large TVs. I rationalized: “I won’t miss Tom Ridge’s speech, I’ll be down in the Captain’s Corner watching. I’ll update when I get back up.”
Nope. The guys are all watching the game down there. And while the outcome is potentially in doubt, it’s unlikely the score will result in overtime. And CNN (the other TVs down there) didn’t carry Ridge’s speech. So on Ridge… sorry, everybody… I got nothin’.
8:14 CDT: [Nate] Is that a Casio Keyboard remix of the theme song from Dallas in the Sarah Palin video?
8:08 CDT: [Sean] Graham accuses Obama of offering troops “a patronizing pat on the back.” Then steals Obama’s line: “I’m not saying Barack Obama doesn’t care, Barack Obama doesn’t get it.”
8:05 CDT: [Sean] Lindsey Graham: “Thank God for Joe Lieberman.”
8:03 CDT: [Sean] Lindsey Graham is up, and he is back on the full Obama attack. “Obama and his buddies at MoveOn.org.”
7:57 CDT: [Sean] That is either the sound of the unabridged John Fogarty "Centerfield" song and delegate dancing you hear, or, alternatively, the sound of Tim Pawlenty cursing out the convention schedulers for giving him three and half minutes. Now we have Kenny Loggins' "Highway to the Danger Zone" going.
7:51 CDT: [Sean] This is high performance art. I am not sure if Joe Gibbs knows where he is. This is not a speech about politics. This is a Joe Gibbs-about-Joe Gibbs speech. Imagine being sent to sports-cliche hell, and add 100 mentions of God, that's the speech.
7:50 CDT: [Nate] Proving that truth is stranger than our bad jokes, McCain will literally accept the nomination at 9:11 central tonight.
7:49 CDT: [Sean] Please, God, someone put this Gibbs speech up on YouTube.
7:42 CDT: [Sean] Video in the hall is somber 9/11 montage.
7:36 CDT: [Nate] Gallup has the score Giants 20, Redskins 6. Rasmussen has them ahead 14-7. But Zogby Interactive has it Redskins 11, Giants 5.
7:32 CDT: [Sean] "Footloose! Footloose! Kick off your Sunday shoes!" They raced through five speeches at breakneck speed in order to play "Footloose" for three minutes and show delegates dancing in the aisles.
7:27 CDT: [Sean] Whiplash continues. Up and down, up and down. Sam Brownback is up, and there was a whole speech (Lt. Gen. Carol Mutter, Ret.) in between. (Sorry about the score posting, I forgot about spoilers. That was an early score, and already more stuff has happened. My apologies.) Brownback tries the Clinton line: "Yes! We! Will!" It's about equally effective.
7:19 CDT: [Sean] Frist already up and done. This is fast. It's all about McCain and vouching for his character, not much Obama-bashing. Not sure if they're saving it for prime time, but I'm not hearing much of last night's mockery.
7:15 CDT: [Sean] I am going to try to convince Nate to post his roster(s) in the comments and I'll post mine. In actual RNC news, they are sprinting through the speeches, seemingly determined to get to the McCain speech on time with no cramping. Pawlenty had a brief speech, sounded safe, bread and butter. Nate says it wasn't on the nets, but we have the C-Span feed in the Xcel Press Filing Center. Pawlenty would not have been the risky pick. McCain definitely shook up the race when he opted not to do the predictable.
7:13 CDT: [Nate] Burress already has 5 catches for 84 yards but can't seem to find the end zone. Wait, this is a politics forum?
7:03 CDT: [Sean] Martinez speaking. People at the poker table used to ask me who I thought McCain should pick as a VP. I would typically reply, if there were a Latino Republican who isn't Mel Martinez, that's the way to go. If McCain gets crushed in the Latino vote, it's a macro demographic death knell.
7:00 CDT: [Sean] Welcome to our final live night coverage of the Republican National Convention from here in St. Paul! Are you ready for some footb Senators? Tonight’s featured speakers include Joe Watkins (speaking now), Mel Martinez, "Sarah Pawlenty’s" husband Tim, Bill Frist, San Brownback, Joe Gibbs, Lindsey Graham, Tom Ridge, Cindy McCain, and the nominee himself. The intro video of Sarah Palin that Rudy’s 30-minute primetime speech bumped last night is re-scheduled between Graham and Ridge in the 8pm Central hour. Finally, our long national nightmare is finally over, as the tyranny of a baseball-only summer ends. 2d quarter score: NYG 13, Washington 0. By the way, 538 Nation, we’re rooting against Plaxico Burress tonight. This 84 yard stuff early in the 2d is not cool. Not cool at all.
9.04.2008
St. Paul: Thursday Night Liveblog #1
by Sean Quinn @ 8:00 PM
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Hope you brought a TV set with you!
and a beer ;-)
Introducing Sarah Palin! oh wai-
Tonight's Theme: Brack Obama is the Devil, and John McCain died for our sins. Good Night.
It just never ends with Palin.............
The GOP candidate for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, may be facing yet another ethics investigation back in her home state of Alaska. An ethics complaint obtained by NBC News was filed Wednesday by the police officers union in Alaska, requesting a probe into possible wrongdoing by the governor or her office. It was brought on behalf of state trooper Mike Wooten, an ex-brother-in-law of Palin who is at the center of the "Troopergate" scandal.
The complaint alleges that the governor or her staff may have have improperly disclosed information from Wooten's personnel records. The complaint alleges "criminal penalties may apply."
John Cyr, director of the union that filed the complaint, told NBC News, "It seems obvious to us somebody has improperly accessed [Wooten's] personnel file."
Tim R, that's the original and only scandal that the Republicans were worried about last week ("troopergate"), and the McCain team says they don't think it amounts to much.
Just because you're finally turning your attention to this one real concern after your week of targeting teen mothers doesn't mean it's a "new" revelation.
WEll, Palin told her base tonight in a safe talk to a safe crown (like Bush in '04) that the dems were just lying. That should be good enough for MSM, right?
boo
Burress is on my fantasy team
Grim
This is a new one, filed YESTERDAY.....the first one was filed by the legislature up there..
That was a real dick move posting the football score. I have the game recording and was going to watch it after some baseball. This does not please me.
Troopergate alone would have been small, when tied to the other abuses of power and her family weirdness (which is only an issue as she has these nutball religious positions) it does make a story. A bigger one than most.
It is not like that score is surprising. Dems need to root for a tie so the eyeballs can't move to McCain at 10.
After the speech last night, troopergate begins to develop a narrative of Palin I think...she is totally black and white...and apparently she will do anything, including anything with total lack of dignity, to make sure her position wins. I guess even stealing people's personal files. Quite a narrative.
Sweet Mother of Jesus,
My buddy just turned me on to this site a few hours ago, and as a fellow BPer, third generation Cubs fan, and lover of all things stats, this site is a slice of heaven.
Thanks for a great site, I'm already in love.
Dan
Man do I ever hate SABR as a matter of principle. I wish I didn't have to rely on it.
Welcome Dan! Be prepared to be bowled over from all sides of the political spectrum.
Boy, you doofuses (is it doofi?) won't let it go with that taser-happy trooper that was let go! Desperation is a comical thing to watch. Glad to see you losers are stuck on retardation.
Here I am watiting as O Reilly rants on to simply wait for Barack to Speak... painful. Really really painful....
Not sure if they're saving it for prime time, but I'm not hearing much of last night's mockery.
I doubt they want Obama taking in $10 million dollars a day for two days running.
Is there any way to watch the Obama/Oreilly thing online? Apparently we don't get FNC. Strange I never noticed that before. LOL.
I've had my fill of gooper lies for the month, so I'm going to gauge the speeches from the comments.
daniel t
hi from a lifelong Cards fan that has many fond memories of Cubs collapses, but I think this is your year! salud amigo.
"Boy, you doofuses (is it doofi?) won't let it go with that taser-happy trooper that was let go!"
Yeah, what's the matter with you Democrats? Why can't you embrace and love 'executives' abusing your power like the Republicans do?
You probably don't even belong to separatist groups or try to get books banned from libraries!
Geez.
Frist sang a dramatically different tune there. Health care for those in misery far away is good stuff. Cindy McCain in Rwanda is too. The corruption-connection had a little edge to it--except that aid really does often go astray before reaching those in need. And the closing was an elevating thing: "thank you, and God bless the children of the world." Leadership in a quiet, dull, no red-meat, real-service mode deserves some attention.
Grim
I believe the first investigation is regarding her firing of the commissioner because he wouldn't fire the trooper--
this would be a new charge
Rhys
Wingnuts use books to prop up broken sofas, never read them.
How do you attend five colleges and get a bachelor's degree?
Palin Attended Five Colleges
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating in 1987, the Associated Press found.
The schools: Hawaii Pacific University, North Idaho College, the University of Idaho, Matanuska-Susitna College and then University of Idaho again.
Stutter - have you ever been involved in divorces before? I have been in many...they are nasty, nasty business. I have learned enough through that to never, ever believe one side's story. I don't know anything about the guy and I am not willing to simply accept her family's story because they said it is so. If you accept her family's position as fact, without any proof at this point, it is truly unfair. Black and white is dangerous.
Thanks for the welcome, guys. This site looks like a wealth of information - I look forward to soaking it all in.
And as for the Cubs/Cards, I'll be at the last home series of the year @ Wrigley, against the Cards.
Go Cubs Go!
Correct Eve.
One is the commissioner firing. WaPo has the emails.
This one is separate. She had the guy investigated by the state troopers, but called that a "joke" in the emails above and now is being investigated for going into his personnel file
"Black and white is dangerous."
But very GOP.
I'm looking forward to Tom Ridge's speech -- I had been rooting for him for the VP slot. Of course now it's looking like maybe Palin wasn't such a bad idea after all.
I thought only whites were at the repub convention...
OK, bad joke.
That is why GOPers loved her speech...black and white...it remains to be seen what moderates thought...not usually so black and white there.
I detect a certain depressed somberness among the left in the crowd tonight.
Remember that John McCain is your opposition and he is likely to say things that will make you mad and wake you up from your somnolent subduction.
I hope when the impulse comes upon you, you will recall the historic nature of this moment and recollect how we all agreed to be respectful during the speech by Obama last week. (Ahem!)
Let us accord John McCain the same repsect, my friends.
McCain will work the room tonight like Phil Donahue, he is natural with crowds and allowed to be natural can be stunningly effective.
This has been the year of confounding expectations.
Rest assured after the speech, you will feel worse not better.
But let not your hearts be too troubled: there is still the disappointment of Friday's Ras Tracker to deal with.
Look at it this way, after Rasmusen at 9:30AM, you will hardly feel the shock of the afternoon Gallup.
david-
time will tell. it all depends on the investigations and how they play, they cannot keep sucking the air of mccain's message for him to have a shot.
pete-
we are not somber, we are watching football.
I am guessing alot of us are watching O'Riley for the first time (being forced to) in order to watch Obama...has nothing to do with be somber.
I'm watching tennis
Roddick v. Djockovic
Obama next on BllO
The fact that some here are just finding out that they don't get the FNC or never watched O'Reilly before...show how one-sided the Obama home-crowd here is. Even I've watched that bumbling fool no-ratings Olberman before. Even though he sucks. At least try to have open minds oh-readers-of-so-many-books.
ROFL!!!!
Wow. 9/11 video. Is there ANY way to narrate this and not come off as insensitive?
Politicizing 9/11. I thought Rudy wore it out. Unbelievable.
Brad: LOL
And just to really throw the conversation a curve:
The gay among us aren't somber OR watching football; we're watching a TiVo'ed Project Runway.
Peter Kent
I see it a tad different. This is the last wild swing of a tired old fighter as he crashes to the canvas. After this he can pick one of his dozen houses to put his retirement rocker.
Let me add two words to my last post "all of"...I have seen O'Riley before, he drives me off in minutes.
Project Runway has to be better than the game.
As for Bill O - what a prick.
Is this working?
"The fact that some here are just finding out that they don't get the FNC or never watched O'Reilly before...show how one-sided the Obama home-crowd here is. Even I've watched that bumbling fool no-ratings Olberman before."
I don't watch news on TV. If O'Reilly broadcast his shows on the net, I'd watch them.
He doesn't. Olbermann does.
Sorry to let facts get in your way -- again.
Pete -- I have a question.
Does McCain ever let you go on top?
The video has the same "they" seizing the American Embassy in Teheran and attacking on 9/11. Shiites and Sunnis as the same people again!
6/10/08: Olbermann’s ratings top O’Reilly’s
Fish / barrel.
I finally found Fox after awhile, it is not even with the news channels group.
God I can't stand Keith Olberman. I wish he would shut up.
He never should have never sat down with Bill O-liar. oh well, no independents watch Fox so it is essentially irrelevant.
Awesome job by Obama on O'Riley. He did an impressive job.
a honestly wonder how much effect the NFL game will have on ratings for McCain. I just don't think there is that much overlap for people who are watching the FIRST game of the NFL season and political junkies. We'll see - I am not expecting McCain's viewership ratings to be off that much.
"I see rhys is too much of a cheap ass for cable."
If I wanted to spend money on something I never use just to impress morons on the net, I'd become a Republican. :P
Like I said, one of Kerry's biggest mistakes wasn't going on Bill O.
Wow,
I just lost a lot of respect for Joe Gibbs. But then again, most big-time footballers are conservatives. But then again, I'm definately not voting for John Elway when he runs for Senate in 4 years.
Dept of did you really just say that---O'Reilly to Obama on Iraq: I think history will prove that Iraq was the wrong battlefield.
I guess if McCain can say he is the man of peace O'Reilly can say that too.
It's bizarro day!
Wow. Obama was so breathtakingly nuanced. Still can't say the surged worked.
Obama meeting IN PERSON with O'reily is genius. He can't get away with cutting him off and being a jerk.
Rhys....you are so full of facts, I'm ashamed to be in the same room with you.
VC-
I cannot even tell anything about the interview, Bill is such as ass and makes the interview about him.
Monica Crowley is a psychotic. What is she even daying. She is not covering what was said, but she wishes had been asked.
So if the surge worked, why are we still in Iraq? Why can't McCain just admit that it is time to leave? The argument cuts both ways.
beowulf, very true.
Todd:I don't think so either, which is why I don't think McCain has many good options here.
If he goes negative, the press will pillory him for losing whatever claim he had to being above the fray and the maverick or whatever: he'll be an in-the-dirt politician forever just like everyone else, and take that as his final loss, to his grave. Not how he wants to go out.
If he goes wide appeal, no one will see it, or care, and the base won't respond as well after. Again, I don't see how Palin really did anything but paint him into a corner.
Any news on the protests.
Obama 297, McCain 241
TorrentPrime -
I think the press is back on the now that he threatened to throw them under it. He can do whatever he wants.
McCain has Palin on the right flank so he can run to the center. He will tonight, it is his last shot. He will act like he has the same positions as 2000.
If the football game ends early enough, it might work for some low info voters who tune in after the game.
At least the game is a little closer. For a while there it looked like the Jints were going to run away with it.
I called the Palin speech right in earlier posts yesterday. It was obvious she would overperform and the media would gush, in part because they feel guilty. No surprise. Though I question whether it will have much staying power. I don't get a sense of whether McCain's speech will be good. I'm guessing it won't be very good actually.
This is classic...“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”
And the Libs want this ding dong for POTUS. Duh Wilber, fighting the war leads to victory and cutting and running, like BO wants us to do, results in losing the war and millions of deaths in the violent revolution we would of left behind.
This is classic...“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”
And the Libs want this ding dong for POTUS. Duh Wilber, fighting the war leads to victory and cutting and running, like BO wants us to do, results in losing the war and millions of deaths in the violent revolution we would of left behind.
I have a very simple question---the news now is that Palin leaves for Alaska to bunker down and 'prepare'. There will be NO interviews. Only scripted speeches and the debate.
Yes--that is definitely one ready-on-day-one VP candidate.
eric-
lets hope you are right. if mccain does not hit a homer it is essentially game over without a failure at the debates for BO.
eric
I'd like to believe that, but I half expected that yesterday, and look what happened. :)
No, that's not true. I half wanted her to tank, but I didn't expect her to, not really. No one cruises from sportscaster to governor so fast without being a gifted politician, and I expected a barn burner. I just didn't expect a patented Democratic Activator (TM) like we got.
McCain, tho... I don't know. I really haven't heard much of his stuff, aside from the jello/cottage cheese stuff. Does he ever deliver? (Honest question, people; I don't know much about his ability here.)
lat-
if the american people fall for that i will be very disappointed.
Of course, they did with Bush...
Palin is Bush. No knowledge, no underlying policy reason to want to be pres, self righteous, and not very smart. add completely unprepared and it adds up to BUSH.
"I have a very simple question---the news now is that Palin leaves for Alaska to bunker down and 'prepare'. There will be NO interviews. Only scripted speeches and the debate.
Yes--that is definitely one ready-on-day-one VP candidate."
The question is -- will the media let them get away with it?
(Yeah, I know.)
Bjb - and you would rather put in the office a person who was 100% wrong about the war at the start. Who is the bigger Ding Dong?
They said on CNN that Cindy McCain's dress tonight only cost $100,000 compared to the $300,000 one last night. And Mc Cain really thinks the middle class will vote for him?
Yes, Lindsay, we need a woman to be able to make decisions for the nation.
Just not her own body.
Tim-
The dress was only about $4,500.
The three carat diamond earrings were most of the price.
"Does he ever deliver? (Honest question, people; I don't know much about his ability here.)"
I expect no green screen tonight.
And that, my friends, is change we can believe in.
Lindsay Graham cannot deliver a spech, and sounds so hate filled.
How did someone elect this guy?
How can this guy be popular in a party that thinks John Kerry is effeminate?
PorridgeGun said...
Tonight's Theme: Brack Obama is the Devil, and John McCain died for our sins. Good Night.
Does Evil exist? Yes
What should we do about it? Defeat it.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/20m-challenge-now-spread-the-w.php
SPREAD THE WORD. Let's ALL make a statement and raise 20 MILLION for Barack Obama before tommorow morning. Let's show that even on a so called "republican night" us democrats WILL BE HEARD.
ya, we all buy $4,500 dresses. And how is that not equal to the Edwards haircut?
rhys, I may not be much more enlightened, but I'm definitely entertained. :D
Rhys said...
"I have a very simple question---the news now is that Palin leaves for Alaska to bunker down and 'prepare'. There will be NO interviews. Only scripted speeches and the debate.
Yes--that is definitely one ready-on-day-one VP candidate."
The question is -- will the media let them get away with it?
(Yeah, I know.)
I honestly think if Tim Russert were alive, they wouldn't have picked her. One hour with him and she and McCain would be done. No question.
I still choke on Cindy's throwaway line about the only way to get around Arizona is by plane. I lived there 9 years and never had the pleasure. Talk about life at Versailles.
...
"Liar.
Criminal.
Cheater.
Separatist.
Hypocrite.
Bullshit artist."
So bjb and stopstutter, do you guys think if it wasn't reported on Fox it didn't happen?
This is not the fist time Obama said the surge succeeded in dealing with the violence.
Reducing violence was the strategy -- not the goals.
But I realize that details are difficult.
Torrentprime- yes. McCain has spoken at just about every RNC since Lincoln's. He's one of the best convention speakers out there.
People who were talking about Palin hitting it out of the park are going to have to think of new sports metaphors. Hole in one? Hit it into orbit? Smashed two cars into the wall on the way to the checkered flag? Hit the three and a foul? Got an armbar in the first round? Smashed an ace in his face? Hit a woogly wicket? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLL?
Gotta be something bigger than a 'home run'out there.
bjb-
thanks for a post with all spin and no facts. That really impresses us here.
Wow. Obama was so breathtakingly nuanced. Still can't say the surged worked.
Which surge? The 'just a troop increase in uncontested areas' surge or the McCain redefined surge that includes all sorts of things that the legislature didn't even vote on or have anything to do with?
Everyone agrees the combination of the Awakening, paying the Sons of Iraq to attack insurgents, and time to allow the ethnic cleansing going on in Baghdad to subside worked. If that is the surge you are talking about its one that Senator Obama never spoke against but it also one that had 'nuanced' effect on the end result.
Of course the Sons of Iraq are about ready to turn because the government jobs they were promised are not materializing. Time will tell if the stability lasts but regardless the country is now stable enough to deal with its own issues and by their own stated desire are ready for the US troops to leave.
Whether we would be where we are today with or without sending a few more troops we can never really know - what we do know is now we can leave.
How is freeing 25,000,000 people wrong? You are as dum as a plastic block. I'd say as a brick but Libs aren't that strong.
You want me to support a man that would botch a rescue mission to Iran like Jimmy C. I will never vote for the party of the weak.
$10 million in donations since the Palin speech. Keep it going.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/04/after-palin-speech-obama-has-record-10-million-day/
Yes, bjb, because placing them into a state of slow motion civil war, run by warlords and marred by suicide bombs and attacks (and, of course, voting) is definitely the definition of free.
Vanity Fair estimates Cindy was wearing about $300,000 on Tuesday night.
Lindsay Graham, eh? Bashing Obama, eh?
Oh, and can someone please shut that closet door.
eve-
exactly, and the surge STOPPED the iraqi's from taking over. We must do that, it is the key to our leaving and that is what he said.
Do repubs listen to the interview or just make up shit about it?
But Lindsay... the troops like Obama more.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-14-military-donations_N.htm
If only I could someone capture the essence of this video into my wheelbarrow.
Bjb - so you must be ready and raring to go into the Sudan to free its people from a butchering regime that everyone would agree is 1000x worse than Sadam...and how about North Korea...lets go!
Is she Erin Brockovich? Is that her appeal?
Greatvid: the world shook, the world trembled.
Just like y'all!
The surge hasn't worked because we are still there and still have soldiers dying....end of discussion
I like how the CNN people are clearly annoyed about the Republican spin from Alex Castellanos and the use of the 9/11 pictures. The McCain campaign has made an enemy with their press treatment.
It could be that football is stealing exactly the kind of voters McCain wants to win over.
This is spot on
Matthew H said...
Torrentprime- yes. McCain has spoken at just about every RNC since Lincoln's. He's one of the best convention speakers out there.
People who were talking about Palin hitting it out of the park are going to have to think of new sports metaphors. Hole in one? Hit it into orbit? Smashed two cars into the wall on the way to the checkered flag? Hit the three and a foul? Got an armbar in the first round? Smashed an ace in his face? Hit a woogly wicket? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLL?
Gotta be something bigger than a 'home run'out there.
God Bless America
Cool, Hermann Göring is up.
*reaches for barfbag*
Brad Rhys,
Yes. I mean why ask her questions that is just sexist. I am sure our dedicated republicans will be here to tell us just how offensive it is to insist that she at least go and have ONE or TWO serious interviews. How about Tom Brkaw? He seemed pretty smitten last night? But no. Not.One.
And guys--don't you know Cindy's daddy earned that money fair and squere she can spend 300K a night in dressing up. It's the american dream. what the middle class does.
the game will end in time, the football game will not interfere, methinks.
"Is she Erin Brockovich? Is that her appeal?"
No, she's Erin Bushovich.
"Greatvid: the world shook, the world trembled."
That was just Cindy McCain accidentally dropping one of her earrings.
Now I see why McCain has any standing in the polls at all.
The ability to question and analyze seems to be missing in the genetic makeup of some of the McCain voters.
Didn't you guys ever see The Wizard of Oz?
"Yes. I mean why ask her questions that is just sexist. I am sure our dedicated republicans will be here to tell us just how offensive it is to insist that she at least go and have ONE or TWO serious interviews. How about Tom Brkaw? He seemed pretty smitten last night? But no. Not.One."
It's sickening isn't it, to watch this incredible snow job?
After 8 years of Bush/Cheney... Americans need to wake up. It's now or never.
If McCain gets away with this Palin move, this country is hopeless.
bjb -
The strongest punch is the one not thrown. People (and countries) are more intimated by the threat of violence. We are now weak, whether you care to admit it, because the whole world knows our achilles heel(s).
That's why Russia invaded Georgia.
I can´t stand the pictures from this convention. Military service, sacrifice, fear, hate, division - this party wants your submission.
Beo the Deo of BO -
Actually I would be if their dictator was refusing to cooperate with inspectors and ignoring multiple UN mandates. I have no problem stepping into Sudan in a support roll to an African force. I am more conservative than the Republicans and have no issue with doing what is right in the world regardless of what the world thinks.
Is there an online feed for football somewhere?
bjb1968,
What does it say about your party and it's candidate when U.S. servicemen have by 6-1 donated more money to Obama, and McCain was against Jim Webb's G.I. Bill because, and I quote "it was to generous"? McPOW stood in front of veterans and lied to them by taking credit for the Webb bill.
Another inconveniant little fact wingnuts choose to ignore.
"I am more conservative than the Republicans and have no issue with doing what is right in the world regardless of what the world thinks."
Congratulations -- you sound exactly like the enemies you want to go after.
Good job. *sigh*
That is either the sound of the unabridged John Fogarty "Centerfield" song and delegate dancing you hear, or, alternatively, the sound of Tim Pawlenty cursing out the convention schedulers for giving him three and half minutes. Now we have Kenny Loggins' "Highway to the Danger Zone" going.
--- man, here comes another artist to bash McCain for using a song without asking....
Smart Libs, give me your feedback:
Sarah Palin may be a blessing in disguise. Obama wins this time. Sarah Palin becomes the star of the GOP and frontrunner for their future. They run her in the future because they love her within their party, but no way she wins a general election with her views. So we get two for the price of one. This election and one in the future.
Bjb - at least that is a consistent position, unfortunately it is not the Republican position. I would buy the "we freed 25 million people argument" if 1) that had been the goal to start and 2) We had the same policy around the world. 5 years later, it is just a secondary excuse.
Money rolling in. At 8:08 the CNN Political Ticker puts up Obama raised $8 million since Palin speech. At 8:50 CNN adds a new item about the $10 million.
Rhys--exactly. Sickening.
You know--not to get biographical here--but I come from a country down south where we did NOT have freedom of the press at all for some time. And here, in this country I love and admired and worked very hard to get to, the press just gives up. Or the spin-masters manipulate people into thinking they are the enemy. Because they don't want to light shining on them.
What a waste!
The effect Palin is going to have is to free McCain to run on his maverick image without alienating the GOP base.
Is Tom Brokaw drunk?
It is not submission to be patriotic, Alex.
The one thing that lefties like you fail to understand can be summed up by Jack Nicholson in the movie about the "Code Red" with Tom Cruise.
Tom was a lawyer interrogating Jack, who plays a General under fire for authorizing informal traditional discipline for a private that caused a negilgent homicide.
Jack explains what liberals will never understand:
Someone has to stand on the wall and defend America. You may hate the fact that someone has to defend America, but deep down, in your heart of hearts, you want him there, standing on that wall, keeping America safe.
I implore you lefties to think - we do not live in a world where if the United States unilaterally disarms everyone would declare kumbaya and follow suit. The United States and Europe have developed strong academic intellectual institutions which rightly justify, using logic, a complete prohibition on the use of force in any meaningful fashion internationally.
While that may be philosophically sound, to follow such a path with encourage regional hegemons to act aggressively and the world will again descend into multiple significant armed conflicts with the risk of a nuclear escalation rising higher than during the Cold War.
I challenge any of you to dispute that view of the world and American strength. Francis Fukyama in the "End of History" at the end of the Cold War in Foreign Affairs was wrong - the end of the Cold War was not the end of history, and if liberals pretend it was, the prospects for a continued peaceful world are dire indeed.
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Wow. Tom Ridge has NO energy here. They seem to be afraid of the "red meat" stuff tonight; like the realize it backfired last night.
--I have noticed Brokaw slurring a bit in the last month or two. I think it must be an age thing (facial muscle related). But who knows? If he is playing the hero drinking game he might as well be. ;-)
Eric - Palin reminds me alot of Hillary Clinton. They hold virtually opposing positions, but both are completely polarizing figures. Republicans were salivating at the thought of Hillary being our nominee because she has a fairly unbreachable ceiling of support (maybe 48%?) and then an almost equally large group of people who absolutely and completely hate her. I see the identical thing happening with Palin in the future.
Thankfully, the Dems didn't make the mistake of nominating Clinton, but I bet the Republicans will nominate Palin in the future.
Lat--
I think hes into his cups, personally.
"YEaaahuu, ya knowuh, if Jawn MacKAhne..."
Please don't give the BS about freeing the people of Iraq. I lived in Iraq, I am an RN and I also lived and worked in Viet Nam. I have dear friends who worked in Iraq with a US based organization who have had to flee their country and now live in Syria or Jordan and life is hell for them and their families. Don't start comparing what you think it was or might be based on spin. Oh and one Iraqi friend was brought to the US some weeks ago by the US and lives in Detroit with his family now. He does not feel as much liberated as driven out of his homeland. He has lost EVERYTHING. Try to imagine that. John Mc Cain is no heroe... to many of us who have lived outside the US media bubble. ANd don't attack me as I am a Viet Nam war veteran. Female.
Hmm . . . how come I never noticed that Tom Ridge is gay? Get her!
We respect other countires sovereignty as long as they don't have something we want. That's a main reason why Obama and Gore are so right about fast-tracking alternative energies. The more we leave them alone over there, the more they'll leave us alone. Isn't that really what we want. We're not supposed to be freedom and Christianity exporters. If that were the case, how about starting with Darfur and North Korea.
There was an article on Slate to the effect that Palin is Bush incarnate.
Doesn't look good for Andy Roddick...down 2 sets
With regards to North Korea, that's easy. Because South Korea won't let us simply because half of Seoul would be blown back to the Stone Age by North Korean artillery even though we'd win in the end.
its the 4th quarter with 10 minutes left Baz744
Giants ball on their own 35, up 16-7. Running out the clock with Jacobs.
Speech will not be interrupted by football, 20 million views from NBC will be fed into convention coverage.
Tough break for Obama, good break for McCain.
A Few Good Men? Really?
The left understands the geopolitical realities. We just arent so jingoistic and jaded as to think that questioning poor government is somehow unpatriotic.
Its as if repubs simply arent aware that you can love your country and be disappointed in your government.
Are these shameless liars REALLY trying to make Cindy "My Outfit Costs More Than Your House, Especially This Year" McCain sound humble and homespun? Barf.
Cindy McCain has done a lot of good work in her life.
That is undeniable, even if you hate the GOP.
Geoff, I can't remember if you're Dem or GOP, but I'd say the more people that watch McCain's speech, the better for Obama. I don't think McCain will impress. I know bounces happen in large part because of the nominee's speech and they almost always occur, but McCain will not give as good of a speech as OBama, Palin, or Hillary for that matter. He'd probably be better off if noone watches.
Not that many people really care about content from such a liberal website, but here's some information you already had drawn conclusions about:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html
Oh crappo! Just got a call and now have a biz meeting at 10 PM, asia. This completely sucks.
Let me know how McCan't does, and if he runs to the center!
Good bye for now bitches!
Geoff-
Jack played a Colonel, not a General.
"There was an article on Slate to the effect that Palin is Bush incarnate."
She is a better looking Eddie Haskell.
LOL VCon!
Well seriously--if I had to cover 2 conventions back to back and yap yap all day by now I too would be well into my cups. (
PMOC:
You want the grumpy soldier on the wall, defending you, even though you hate everything he stands for.
That is the message.
"Please don't give the BS about freeing the people of Iraq. I lived in Iraq, I am an RN and I also lived and worked in Viet Nam. I have dear friends who worked in Iraq with a US based organization who have had to flee their country and now live in Syria or Jordan and life is hell for them and their families. Don't start comparing what you think it was or might be based on spin. Oh and one Iraqi friend was brought to the US some weeks ago by the US and lives in Detroit with his family now. He does not feel as much liberated as driven out of his homeland. He has lost EVERYTHING. Try to imagine that. John Mc Cain is no heroe... to many of us who have lived outside the US media bubble. ANd don't attack me as I am a Viet Nam war veteran. Female."
Worth repeating. And thank you for your service.
Geoff -- Take your lies to Freerepublic, people here know how to think.
"Tough break for Obama, good break for McCain."
maybe -- good be a break for Obama.
Johnson... where are you getting the tennis game?
And while I have your attention... why did you get poor Bristol pregnant?
How do you know you're rich? You know you're rich when you start a medical charity for the third world just so you can steal drugs from it.
---Cindy McCain
You're probably right Eric, and I'm a centrist.
I enjoy the intellectual aspects of politics, not so much the choosing between the two, but i love to be the unconventional side so on here i end up defending McCain.
On right wing blogs, like red state, i defend Obama.
Geoff,
"I challenge any of you to dispute that view of the world and American strength. Francis Fukyama in the "End of History" at the end of the Cold War in Foreign Affairs was wrong - the end of the Cold War was not the end of history, and if liberals pretend it was, the prospects for a continued peaceful world are dire indeed."
Do you even know what that article argued? Judging from this comment, I don't think you do.
Fukuyama was arguing that with the fall of the Soviet Union and Communism in general, there will be no competing ideologies to democracy and the free market. That's it. Not the end of competition, conflict, and certainly not "history."
"You want the grumpy soldier on the wall, defending you, even though you hate everything he stands for. "
No, you lying fuck.
I want soldiers to DEFEND this country. Not go around starting UNNEEDED wars that KILL soldiers and BANKRUPT the treasury. Wars based on LIES.
Thats funny Brad hehe
Hey, everyone fucks up some of the time.
No Rhys, you sir are a unhinged radical. :)
8:05 CDT: [Sean] Lindsey Graham: “Thank God for Joe Lieberman.”
8:06 CDT: [Sean] God "Hey, leave me out of this"
Rhys, thanks for CAPITALIZING the WORDS you want us to READ for good EMPHASIS.
"No Rhys, you sir are a unhinged radical. :)"
Yeah. I'm as much of a radical as Ron Paul.
It's called the constitution and the rule of law. Try reading it sometime, and maybe you'll stop being an ignorant mouthbreathing dittohead.
Well, she is no Michelle Obama in the speech department.
Geoff, you'd be making an excellent point if our occupation in Iraq had anything to do with Col Jessup's speech.
Iraq is a failed experiment and we're wasting our time there better served in Afghanistan and going after the real bad guys rather than helping them recruit.
The world is not safer. To say that there has been no attack on America since 9/11 is proof positive that we're safer is a logical fallacy.
It's time to admit face facts and admit that the war is a sham and cut our losses.
The war on terror is one of ideology and it must be fought with wisdom and intelligence, not cocky brawn.
Col. Jessup was wrong. He made an illegal order that helped no one and killed a soldier. The kernel of truth in his speech does not justify his negligence of the reality of the situation.
Hmm...sounds familiar.
"Yeah. I'm as much of a radical as Ron Paul."
That was supposed to be a defense of your position? Are you sure you wanna go there?
Geoff, I know centrists. Centrists are friends of mine. And you, sir are no centrist.
What was that? "Service"?
Where's the laughter?
Cindy McCain has zombie-like qualities in her face.
The left understands the geopolitical realities. We just arent so jingoistic and jaded as to think that questioning poor government is somehow unpatriotic.
True - I mean I was in the US military for decades and have no problem with fighting the fights that need fighting.
But I do recall when the UN inspectors said there was no indication of WMD in Iraq prior to the invasion. I turned to a friend and said "Its obvious an Angel of the Lord could come down and tell George Bush there were no WMDS and he would still invade'.
The was an unnecessary war with unnecessary deaths all around. A secular saber rattling state that with its bluster helped keep Iran in check. Now its an islamic state where Christians are run out of country, harrassed and killed. Gay iraqis are being mass murdered, disappearing off the street, and the illusion of democracy is fading fast.
Patriotism? Seems the Republicans don't even understand what the word means.
"Cindy McCain has zombie-like qualities in her face."
It's called botox. Nancy Pelosi has the same "quality".
I´ve always had some sympathy for Cindy McCain. There was a reason she took painkillers, and I think it was the regluar absence of her husband. She can´t be blamed for inheriting so much money. And her philantropic work is very admirable.
VC -- You know nothing about my real views. You see one thin slice of them here -- my being SUPREMELY pissed off at the neocons and what they have done to the Republican party.
I am no fringe liberal, the difference is I don't defend my positions in detail because this isn't about my positions, and because I don't give a fuck what you think of them.
Geoff,
you are an ignorant ass incapable of comprehending that the serviceman following orders is not the same as the heartless, selfish, irresponsible prick who orders him into harms way for his own political gain.
VCon... Botox?
You're pretty worldly for a Republican.
That's more than Botox.
http://www.howeypolitics.com/2008/09/04/howey-gauge-poll-a-presidential-barnburner-big-daniels-lead/
I have to think that this poll is quite good for Obama. I for one did NOT think that Indiana could be competitive...
They forgot to put the cheating on his wife and dumping his wife for Cindy part in the bio.
Botox is still considered "worldly"? I thought that stuff was old news.
Nick:
I'm happy to see at least one person on here is a foreign policy reader.
The idea of Fukyama was like you said, with the corrolary that the cycles of hegemony would end and no longer would the world move in multipolar and bipolar and unipolar geopolitical cycles but instead we'd all get along as capitalists, essentionally, as the dollar would be more important than raw power of force.
That is turning out to be premature of Fukyama, and he has admitted as much in subsequent articles. The point is right now the lid is still on the cauldron of regional hot wars, but barely - see Georgia.
US Military credibility is high right this second - we won in Iraq, and we are no longer a paper tiger, we expended blood and treasure to win. To waste that credibility by not electing a strong leader on foreign policy would risk the lid coming of the regional hot spots and a descent into a much more dangerous multipolar world.
"Cindy McCain has zombie-like qualities in her face."
It's called botox. Nancy Pelosi has the same "quality".
Somewhat. Pelosi is a little different though...she has that permanent, stiff smile and eyes that say I want to fucking stab you. Cindy looks more part zombie, part cute blonde.
Wow, I know I'm biased and good speech giving is not a requirement of a first lady, so I don't think this is too judgmental or harsh, but Cindy McCain is Terrible at giving this speech. WOW!!!
"you are an ignorant ass incapable of comprehending that the serviceman following orders is not the same as the heartless, selfish, irresponsible prick who orders him into harms way for his own political gain."
It's not ignorance. It's dishonesty.
All of the neocon warmongers do it. It's part of the Big Lie.
Cher, Thanks so much for your service and for posting what you did.
You cant tell me what i am filly. I am a centrist, and i believe in divided government with social moderation and fiscal conservatisma and a strong foreign defense.
Throw that squeaky toy to the base Cindy!
How many times do you think Neocons and the media will use the term "home run?"
"You cant tell me what i am filly. I am a centrist, and i believe in divided government with social moderation and fiscal conservatisma and a strong foreign defense."
Geoff, if you really believed in "social moderation" and "fiscal conservatism" -- you would not be supporting this bastardization of the GOP.
While you're at it... if Palin is such a great VP choice, so experienced and tough and ready to go, why is she afraid to give a press conference?
The republicans do understand that hockey - of which i am a fan - is a dying professional sport in this country? Their playoff were on OLN for crying out loud. How many people identify with hockey? It's a pricey youth sport...forking out a ton for pads and skates every 18 months as you hit your growth spurts...
So if McCain were president, would Cindy be first mistress?
We have to stay in Iraq because as soon as we leave, Maliki is going to form an alliance with Iran.
It's like having to stay in a lousy marriage because if you move out your wife is going to marry your jerky next-door-neighbour, and he'll get your camper and your boat.
Stan:
You couldn't be more wrong.
Jessup was maintaining centuries of tradition in the Marines. That tradition, and honor, made this country safe for centuries. So, the order did not "help no one".
The oxymoronic nature of the clear wrong (negligent homicide) done to the private and the clear right of maintaining discipline and honor in the Core is the whole point of the movie, boss.
My, my. After suffering the slings and arrows of those same Republicans when we Democrats had a womanizing cad up for election, it is interesting to note the careful editing of the McCain story. You wouldn't know about the relationships that began while one of the parties was married to some one else. Watch those upstanding "family issues" delegates applaud the mistress who helped John McCain break up his first marriage.
Maliki doesn't want an alliance with Iran. He wants to play both us and the Iranians against each other for Iraq's benefit.
So when do we get to the part about Cindy being a convicted drug addict and stealing from her own charity?
8:14 CDT: [Nate] Is that a Casio Keyboard remix of the theme song from Dallas in the Sarah Palin video?
I was thinking it sounded a lot like the Dallas theme song too. They played a song at her first Ohio rally (see here around 9:00) that reminded me of the Dallas theme song, also. I think it is a different song than the montage video song, though.
hopefully no more once the conventions are over
Wow... Nothing says "I support the Navy and the Marines" like wearing a couple of $10K pieces of bling on national television.
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