Today we continue with our Road to 270 series with the Cornhusker State, Nebraska.
WHERE FOOTBALL IS RELIGION, Nebraska would ordinarily be as straightforward in the presidential electoral discussion as a Tom Osborne-era Big Eight title. However, there's a little quirk everyone needs to understand about Nebraska. Along with only Maine, the state allocates its electoral votes by congressional district (one per CD) and two for the statewide winner. John McCain is going to win four Nebraska electoral votes for sure, and there may be a battle for the final EV -- Nebraska's 2d congressional district.
Key Demographics
Note: Factors colored in red can generally be thought to help McCain. Factors in blue can generally be thought to help Obama. Factors in purple have ambiguous effects. Except where otherwise apparent, the numbers next to each variable represent the proportion out of each 100 residents in each state who fall into that category. Fundraising numbers reflect dollars raised in the 2008 campaign cycle per eligible voter in each state. Figures for seniors and youth voters are proportions of all residents aged 18+, rather than all residents of any age. The figure for education reflects the average number of years of completed schooling for all adults aged 25+. The figure for same-sex households reflects the number of same-sex partner households as a proportion of all households in the state. The liberal-conservative index is scaled from 0 (conservative) to 100 (liberal), based on a Likert score of voter self-identification in 2004 exit polls. The turnout rates reflect eligible voters only. Unemployment rates are current as of June 2008.
What McCain Has Going For Him
Right now, John McCain looks poised to pick up all five electoral votes, and you'll know his campaign's internals are looking a little tight if he starts sending surrogates to the area. McCain starts from the basic fact that no electoral vote has gone for a Democrat since 1964. Bush won by his 4th biggest margin of any state in the union in 2004, and the 2d highest percentage of Republican voters (R 54% to D 24%) was here in the state. Only three states had fewer Democrats. Those are the kind of structural advantages that are simply tough to overcome.
What Obama Has Going For Him
Barack Obama wouldn't be thinking about Nebraska except for the electoral vote quirk. That, and the fact that Obama got a chance to organize here for the February 9 caucuses has given the campaign an opening to try and steal one EV. While Nebraska as a whole has only 4% African-American voters, many of them are in Omaha. The second congressional district is diverse, with a large blue-collar manufacturing base and many independents. In a state that has no trouble sending Democratic Senators to Washington, Nebraska voters are drawn more to the non-insider candidate, all things being equal. Obama also benefits from two additional factors: (1) the relative compactness of the district, which is basically a bit larger than Douglas County, makes it easier to canvass and organize; and (2) the fact that voting lasts for 37 days here when you count early voting. That helps a better-organized ground effort.
What To Watch For
In the presidential race, watch to see how many surrogate or candidate visits these campaigns make. As long as we're not seeing much movement on that front, we can infer that the internals are telling the campaigns the same thing. In particular, look to see what John McCain's campaign does, as they are the ones who would need to shore up the vote with a little defense.
In the downballot races, Scott Kleeb is struggling to get name recognition in the more-Democratic areas, after his 2006 run boosted his visibility in the huge rural CD-3. The formula would be win CD-2 by the same as he loses in CD-3, and then win CD-1 (Lincoln and most of the eastern 1/4 of the state) by one vote. Mike Johanns is a relatively popular two-term ex-governor and Bush Agriculture Secretary. He's also an extremely disciplined candidate who's been smart enough to take advantage of Kleeb's low name ID and tack to the left on issues like energy while keeping his pro-life base fired up.
Jim Esch is the young 32-year old Democratic candidate in the Omaha-dominated Nebraska CD-2 challenging Republican incumbent Lee Terry. His own significant ground organization works in parallel with Obama's large ground game, and indeed Esch has gotten himself on the DCCC Red to Blue list this cycle. Watch this race as a rising-tide-lifts-all-boats prospect.
9.26.2008
Road to 270: Nebraska
by Sean Quinn @ 4:30 PM...see also nebraska, road to 270
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I think Obama will carry this state easily come November. It's been trending strong in his favor.
Seriously though. What are the differences in the demographics of a state like Nebraska and Iowa? Is there any really?
Sarah Palin isn't qualified to bake a pie.
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The scenarios in which the 1 EV from Omaha might be useful are dwindling rapidly. It's marginally helpful in a 269-269 tie, since it takes some pressure off of House Democrats to maintain party unity and vote in Obama as president. There are a few odd scenarios of Obama losing by one EV, but they aren't terribly plausible, if I remember correctly. Still, it's likely worth the organizing effort for the long-term benefits, if nothing else.
What really happened inside closed doors. McCain is grandstanding so that he can grab all the glory of having "saved America from financial disaster! What a Maverick."
The Inside Story:
"Inside an intense White House meeting over the financial crisis on Thursday, where nearly every key player came to an agreement on the outlines of the bailout package, Sen. John McCain stuck out. The Republican candidate, according to sources with direct knowledge, sat quiet through most of the meeting, never offered specifics, and spoke only at the end to raise doubts about the rough compromise that the White House and congressional leaders were nearing.
McCain's reluctance to jump on board the bailout agreement could throw the entire week-long negotiation into a tailspin. Sen. Chris Dodd, after leaving the White House, suggested on CNN that the tenuous process could be derailed by what he viewed as McCain's political motives.
"What happened here, basically, if you want an honest appraisal of the thing, we have been spending a lot of time and I am tired. I have spent almost seven straight days at this in trying to come out with a workout plan for our economy a rescue plan," said Dodd. "What this looked like to me was a rescue plan for John McCain for two hours and took us away from the work we are trying to do today. Serious people trying to do serious work to come up with an answer."
According to the source with knowledge of the White House gathering -- which featured both presidential candidates, congressional leaders and the President -- virtually ever key figure in the room, save McCain and GOP Sen. Richard Shelby, were in agreement over a revised version of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's plan.
Towards the end, McCain finally spoke up, mentioning a counter-proposal that had been offered by some conservative House Republicans, which would suspend the capital gains tax for two years and provide tax incentives to encourage firms that buy up bad debt. McCain did not discuss specifics of the plan, though, and was non-committal about supporting it. "
So, McCain is waffling on exactly what he is proposing, so that he can jump on the band-wagon at the last moment and try and claim credit for steering it all the way!
Only it's such an utterly transparent fraud that it will never work, unless he can bludgeon the Congress into agreeing to the House Republicans plan, so that he can then call it "the McCain plan!(tm)"
Only Bush, House Democrats, and Senate Democrats and Republicans are all determined to come to agreement, whether John McCain does or not.
McCain is now officially screwed.
Rumors are Palin is out after tonight if Debate goes poorly. Her name appears to no longer be on McCain's bus. She will graciously bow out - blaming intense media scrutiny for destroying her family.
Any idea how influential Warren Buffett's support of Obama might be in the Omaha area?
He's respected world-wide, of course, for his business wisdom and integrity - but he's the pride of Omaha. And many people there know him, have worked for/with him.
Would love to hear thoughts from some Nebraskans on this.
Demographics-wise there is probably little difference between the two states.
The biggest difference is that Iowa has the Caucus every election year - thus there by nature has to be a somewhat functioning Democratic party structure and a reason to care about voter ID.
In Nebraska the Dem party has historically been basically one or two governors who managed to be politically middle of the road enough to still claim D (and not get kicked out of the party) and vote R a significant portion of the time to satisfy who they think are the voters.
Also, you add in the fact that with the NE non-partisan Unicameral, there's not many races to use to build the Dem brand up.
It really has more to do with the inadequacies of the Dem party structure than demographics. This is why it's so important that Obama is at least playing in the 2nd CD.
dpldust said...
Rumors are Palin is out after tonight if Debate goes poorly. Her name appears to no longer be on McCain's bus. She will graciously bow out - blaming intense media scrutiny for destroying her family.
Don't you believe it for a minute! McCain would go down faster than the Hindenburg if he has to kick Palin off the ticket.
If she's so tender a wilting violet that she can't stand the media attention he should never have picked her to begin with!
If you can't stand up to Katie Couric, how can she stand up to the Russians? Etc.
Of course, if McCain comes out and says: "I stand behind Sarah Palin 1000%!" then we'll know she's in trouble!
BTW: the conservative National Review Online has just publicly called for her to "resign" from the campaign "for the good of the country," calling her interview performance "painful to watch."
I think the establishment conservatives are wavering as they see the Obama tsunami approaching. But McCain knows he made that particular bed and now he has to stick it out and hope for the best.
Obamaha seems like a stretch. I suspect Obama would win Indiana, North Carolina, Nevad, Colorado, Virginia, FLorida, Ohio, and Montana before Obamaha flips in his favor. We have to remember the RepubliCONs are motivated to keep it and can laser focus there. When it comes down to it, there's a lot more of them there, if both sides get their vote out.
Apparently Cafferty just RIPPED on Palin's response to that bailout question with Katie Couric on CNN:
*plays the Palin response to Couric's question on the bailout*
Jack: I am 65 and have been covering politics for a long time, and this was the most pathetic answer I've ever heard from someone aspiring to one of the highest elected offices in this country.
Wolf: Well she was trying to cram a lot of information into...
Jack: No, don't you try and make excuses for this. It was completely unacceptable.
P.S., for all you children who might not know, the "I'm behind her 1000%" is a reference to McGovern's comments about his VP choice-- Sen. Tom Eagleton, shortly before he kicked him off the ticket.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-should-step-down-conservative-commentator-says/
As I predicted weeks ago, with McCain's plunge in the polls, republicans want McCain to throw Sarah Palin under the bus.
Psychic? No. Stating the obvious? Yes.
I don't think Iowa and Nebraska are as demographically close as several of you have implied. Iowa has a wider distribution of decent sized cities and towns, a very informed electorate, a capital in the heart of the state, and numerous colleges and universities, including some small liberal havens spread throughout. The entire population of Nebraska is pretty much concentrated on the eastern edge, and the rest is a barren wasteland. Iowa also has nearly double the population of Nebraska.
I'm wondering how much sway Chuck Hagel carries in NB these days. If he hasn't officially endorsed Obama, it's pretty clear regardless where he stands.
oh yeah, and I can't believe Sean spent time in Nebraska at all and didn't even mention the Huskers/Hokies game tomorrow in his "what to watch for". Good thing they went through on a non-game day or the offices would have been closed. :)
"As I predicted weeks ago, with McCain's plunge in the polls, republicans want McCain to throw Sarah Palin under the bus."
They might want to, but realistically they can't. If Palin is pressured to resign (and that would be how it was perceived, regardless of the reality), then conservative enthusiasm would plummet and a McCain loss would be virtually guaranteed. It's not going to happen, barring a MAJOR scandal or a nervous breakdown (or similar disastrous event).
Isn't it strange how all the right-wing trolls were chortling about how stupid anybody who criticized Palin was just a short week ago? She was the "original Maverick!" The "soccer mom!" who could see Russia from her house. "A world's leading energy expert" in a bout of overblown rhetoric so extreme that it may be unequaled.
She was going to "transform the race! It's over!" Well she has, and it is. But not in a good way.
Now that she's officially a disaster and can't come out of her undisclosed location without waffling horribly and sounding like George Bush after he'd been stunned with a mallet, I have a question.
Can we have a quiet minute to gloat?
Or is that too unseemly?
After reading NRO's Kathleen Parker saying Palin needs to step down, and Ed Schulz's comments that the McCain aides were calling Palin clueless (but we all knew that), I have now concluded that McCain stalled the debate to deal with the Palin problem, and not his own polling problems. After all, McCain has been up and down on polls before. He has never behaved this erratically. But with Palin he now has one, insurmountable problem he needs to deal with - The Palin/Biden debate. I think he tried to stall not his debate but her debate, primarily.
Are American swing voters dumb enough to give credit to McCain for a successful bill? That would be mind-blowing. I have a finacial background, so could anticipate the dominos before they fell. There was never anyway Congress was going to not have a bill passed by this Sunday night. That was guaranteed as early as last Friday. It's a no-brainer that if you give the investing public a weekend to ponder the idea that no bill will get done, we'd open down 1000 points next Monday. That could never happen. McCain flies into the rescue. Really? Really? Seriously? The man knows nothing about the economy, knew nothing about the bailout package as of yesterday, and has never brought sides together, but rather switched sides when he thinks the other side is right. He deserves no credit in any way shape or form for this. I acknowledge he was the biggest proponent of the surge (though Obama was one of the loudest voices against the War in the first place back in '02). I also acknowledge that McCain running from his own party on torture and the environment show an independent streak, being on the right side of the issues, and should be commended. But, please don't pretend he deserves credit for anything in this matter. He has nothing to do with it and likely knows less about what's going on with the bailout prop than 90% of the Congress. They don't listen to him because he has nothing to say.
All good points Steven. And that may be so, but trust me there's plenty of wasteland in IA (I live in WI now so I get to drive through often enough).
But both states have a lot of similarity when it comes down to issues like agriculture and immigration (both are new growth states and struggling with what that means to the population).
Ultimately the fact that Iowans are an informed electorate stems (I would argue) more from the fact that every presidential candidate spends a significant chunk of time there every election cycle. (and much as I love my home state I can't defend the University system in comparison to that of IA so you probably have a point there)
I was born and raised in NE and can't remember any time in my history that a presidential candidate has made it a point to actually come to Nebraska. That leads to a lot of apathy.
We are on the same page Bay Area Resident. I think the twin disasters of Palin and Davis put Mac in dice rolling mode. He wanted to do anything to change the inexorable slide of his campaign.
Bay Area Resident: Remember that the "debates" are anything BUT. All she has to do is memorize enough soundbites to get her through 90 minutes without biting her tongue, falling off the stage or misspelling "Potatoe."
The bar has been set so low that just by showing up she's exceeded it. Republicans will all scream "that wasn't so bad! I expected worse. She was a little flustered when someone asked her an unexpected question about oil reserves, but overall she handled herself pretty well. This has to put McCain right back in the game!"
All the talking heads WANT to give her the benefit of the doubt so they don't appear "too partisan." They desperately WANT to find good things to say about her, but so far there just haven't been any.
So, they'll seize on the fact that she "stood up" to Biden, who is much more experienced.
Frankly, Biden has a tougher job not to appear to be piling on and humiliating a defenseless woman. Even the appearance that he's enjoying the carnage will be damaging to Obama.
He has to be totally deferential to her, and can't even criticize her at all. That might backfire.
I'd say Biden has the tougher job than Palin, trying to gauge whether she's been handed enough rope and is choking on it, or whether he needs to subtly put in the dagger without appearing to do so.
Even if he knifes her carefully so as not to get blood on his hands, if she then cracks up, he's going to look cruel-- like he's taking advantage of the handicapped.
I don't see this as a good opportunity for Democrats at all. Nothing can happen that will be worse than the opinion people already have of Palin.
Nate,
When are you going to put up the missing polls from ARG?
September 26, 2008
Presidential Ballots
State McCain Obama Other Undecided
CO 48% 45% 3% 4%
FL 46% 47% 1% 7%
Not that they are a great pollster, but any lighter shade for Florida is welcome...
Cheers!
I am a Nebraskan, and I'll touch on some things people are curious about.
"Any idea how influential Warren Buffett's support of Obama might be in the Omaha area?"
I doubt it will be that influential. People don't look to Warren Buffet for political guidance. He is respected a great deal of course, but his word isn't gospel and people will be more than glad to disagree with him over non-financial matters. Lot's of people whine about Buffett's politics, in fact. Then again, Buffett's support certainly won't hurt. It could help a bit but the effect in the end will be negligible.
re: Kleeb
Kleeb really has no shot. He lost but 9 or 10 points in the 3rd District Congressional Race a few years back, and since then state Democrats have seen him as their progressive savior. But his showing in the 3rd wasn't that impressive, for two reasons. First, Congressional races in the 3rd that have not featured an incumbent have been historically much closer. [The exception to this is, of course, Tom Osborne, who won easily his first time running.] Second, Kleeb's opponent, Adrian Smith, was a much much much weaker candidate than Johanns. But Kleeb still lost to Smith by 10 points or so. The point here is that there is no reason to believe he will perform as well in the 3rd against Johanns as he did against Smith.
re: Esch
Esch is a much stronger candidate than Kleeb & the Esch campaign is betting on the Obama campaign boosting up his efforts. The big fly in the ointment here is the Ward Connerly-led affirmative action ban that is being voted on in the state this election cycle [assuming it doesn't get thrown out it upcoming legal battles]. If McCain does choose to have a presence in the 2nd District you can bet that he will latch onto this in his campaigning. And the fact of the matter is, Connerly's affirmative action bans have been incredibly successful in states with large numbers of minorities. In a state like Nebraska it is almost guaranteed to pass. And if McCain is able to frame his campaign in the 2nd around that issue I think he could probably kill Obama's hopes in Omaha. This would of course effectively kill Esch as well.
This is just getting pathetic for McCain now.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
His ONLY leaning state is West Virginia! Lmfao! Do any republicans honestly have any hope left, other than McCain taking all of the toss-ups? LOL
National Review Online - Palin should withdraw.
McCain's bus no longer says McCain Palin.
Long-time reader, first time poster. I love the site Nate! I just told my dad earlier today that this is the politics site he should read (he's prone to seeing the results of one poll and getting overly depressed/excited).
I just wanted to jump in about the IA/NE discussion. I was born in NE, raised in IA. I love both states, but they really are quite different. IA should be thought of as a continuum between IL and NE. The further east you go, the bluer it is. The further west you go, the redder. Plus, in general Iowans are very open-minded people. I think one of the reasons why we've been a swing-state for awhile is that we're not only fairly evenly split politically, but we're also willing to listen to both sides. We also really respect politicians who "put their time in," in IA if you will, and I think that's why we're so strongly behind Obama right now.
Now, I love NE. Like I said, I was born there, I have friends there, and I still cheer for Cornhusker football. But, the voters I know in NE are definitely not open-minded.
Also, the other notion that someone made about IA having a few liberal enclaves is definitely true. Iowa City is about as blue as you can get. As far as I'm aware, liberal enclaves don't exist in NE. My dad once joked that he personally knew everyone in NE who voted for Mondale.
**McCain has not had much preparation for today's debate. Since Economic security is a PREREQUISITE for National security, it will be part of today's debate.
**I hope he and Obama have a in-depth discussion about MBS (mortgage backed securities) valuation and credit spreads and the reverse auction process than Paulson's plan will use. Also, Macroeconomic issues like Bernanke.
I WANT TO SEE McCAIN DISCUSS economic issues IN-DEPTH.
Where the debate to go bad for McCain tonight expect another big announcement from McCain tomorrow. Palin is going to withdraw and Romney is going to replace her.
If McCain discards Palin, I suspect Obama wins Alaska.
If he swaps in Romney, he loses the very people who were most excited by Palin.
McCain's box just got even smaller.
haribelafonte said...
McCain's bus no longer says McCain Palin.
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Mr. Belafonte,
I truly respect your work, but it is fucking stupid to come here with a rumor like that without a link.
Provide a source of fuck off.
McCain should be very happy about the +3 in Colorado.
Other than that, it will be a very long next few weeks if he cannot pull out an OUTSTANDING debate performance (which he can.)
Niedda,
IF Romney or any guy replaces her, McCain is toast!
He will lose at least a few million women voters.
If McCain replaces Palin with another woman, let's say Whitman Ebay CEO, then ordinary women or men do not know her and there is no time to introduce her to the USA and have her debate!
That's all assuming Palin withdraws because McCain cannot fire her, the party nominated. Palin abosutely will not, it is not in her personality. She is a vicious and mean fighter! She will claw McCain and rip his eyes out!
No way......McCain-Palin straight to Nov 4th. ENJOY!!!
This shit isn't even about winning anymore, McCain needs to drop Palin because he's risking the safety and security of the American people by having her a 72-Year Old heartbeat away from the presidency.
McCain, honestly, just lose with dignity, honor, and respect. I used to respect you. I used to view you as a man of honor. I used to think you have some dignity. You have flushed it all down the crapper in 6 months.
I'm a former Hillary supporter, and I was VERY reluctant to support Obama when he won. I remember telling my friend that I'd probably be undecided until the first debate. Well, a week or two later you flip-flopped on youre offshore policy and the following day you received $27 million in contributions from the oil industry. My decline in respect for you started on that day, and it has dropped like a rock in a lake ever since. Right now, you're acting like a SILLY CHILDISH GREEDY FUCKHOLE. Lose with dignity, it's ok. History wants to remember you fondly, not as a pathetic joke.
I was raised in IA, married a Nebraskan, and live in Illinois currently, so I can't resist a couple of comments.
First, Ann, there is NO wasteland in Iowa. Every inch of that state is tilled land and the small-town population density is consistent throughout the state. By contrast, Nebraska west of York is mostly ranchland and is sparsely populated.
Second, iastudentvoter, your observation that Iowa gets bluer as you go east is generally true, but I've actually found rural Illinois to be more like Indiana than Iowa politically. Illinois is blue because Chicagoland holds 3/4 of the state's population, and Chicago proper is about 90% Democratic. Iowans are middle of the road but have some quirks which have made the state trend liberal lately:
- tolerance. Iowans greatly value it, due to some aspects of the unique Iowa lifestyle, and in particular to Scandanavian influence in the northern part of the state, and the influence of Amish, Mennonites and Quakers in the eastern part of the state. These groups are cultural conservatives but do not proselytize and are strongly focused on their respective relief efforts.
- peace. Wars are never popular with Iowans, for reasons similar to those stated above.
- the economic woes of the mid 1980s had a profound impact on Iowans. While most Iowans are no particular friends of taxes and government, neither will they be particularly pro-big business as a group.
- the helping hand. The legacy of Herbert Hoover, Iowa's only President, that Iowans really value was his famine relief efforts in Eurpoe following WWI. Iowans believe in helping those less fortunate and are not uncomfortable with those aspects of policy.
- education. Iowa has long been one of the best-educated states in the Union, and the high density of colleges and universities creates numerous local venues for liberalism to flourish.
"The entire population of Nebraska is pretty much concentrated on the eastern edge, and the rest is a barren wasteland. Iowa also has nearly double the population of Nebraska."
Steven you are right about some fundamental differences between Nebraska & Iowa but you are pretty wrong in your estimation of how much weight the 3rd [Western] District can carry in politics. In the last race for the Governor's Mansion, the race was decided in the 3rd. Heineman's ability to flip the 3rd from heavily in favor of Osborne to heavily in favor of him is what won him the election.
"I'm wondering how much sway Chuck Hagel carries in NB these days. If he hasn't officially endorsed Obama, it's pretty clear regardless where he stands."
Hagel doesn't hold much sway anymore. Then again people aren't as happy with the war in Iraq as they once were. If you go by the letters to the Editor in the various Newspapers you would probably assume that Hagel's popularity is an at an all time low. I doubt it is that bad but I think his popularity has fallen off a fair amount. I think mostly that Nebraska Republicans are embittered by Hagel because he has done nothing but flirt with Barack Obama for the last 6 months are so.
The attacks on Palin here are both humorous and dishonest. How would you be holding up right now if the entire news apparatus had attacked you, your children, your husband, your state, your town and everything you had ever done? How would you feel if they hacked your email for the purposes of digging up dirt?
Give her time on the national scene. She'll be just fine, even if the echo chamber here hates her. In fact, that's a good sign.
Anyway, the skewed poll coverage here has passed into "jumping the shark" territory. Nate continues to tweak everything to fit the picture he's trying to paint as he tries to help Obama win.
Good luck guys and may the better man (and woman) win.
By the way, don't get me wrong. I think Nate's passion for this is great, it's just that his biases are too pronounced and affect every aspect of this site's coverage of the polling data.
bruce: can you provide an example of how Nate's "bias" has affected his presentation of polling data?
Bruce said...
"How would you be holding up right now if the entire news apparatus had attacked you, your children, your husband, your state, your town and everything you had ever done?"
Palin was an attack dog from the moment she came onto the scene. Am I supposed to feel bad for her?
Come on. Everyone goes through that process. Obama is still being attacked for not knowing the personal history of someone he served on a board with. It's how the process works.
Cugel, if this were a week or two ago I would have agreed that the bar was so low for Palin she would just have to show up to have the republicans calling it a Palin win.
But that Couric interview changed my mind. I now think she is not presentable in public, other than a prewritten speech with the help of a teleprompter. She can't think on her feet, and she is SO BAD that even with expectations below zero, she will still disappoint.
Did you see the Couric interview? Wow, just wow is all I have to say. I think somebody gave her the talking point of "track record" and she just spit that out whenever she couldn't think of something to fill whitespace with. Horrible just horrible.
Sept 26 Polling Update
Obama 301, McCain 237
A 700 Billion Dollar Question
bruce,
That is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've read today. And I've read alot of bullshit.
The MSM have been fawning over Palin ever since she delivered her "SLAM DUNK" (Wolf Blitzer) acceptance speech at the Republic convention. So don't start whining about her being attacked. The MSM are still giving her an easy time, likewise McCain.
Also Bruce, why not take your complaints to actual discussions of polling data rather than an analysis of a state?
bruce-
Skewed coverage HERE? Take a look at the entire internet...nobody thinks this woman is qualified...from conservative websites to the most liberal. Take a look at CNN.com. Watch the most recent Cafferty files. She is not qualified.
BTW - Nice cut and paste on those talking points. Any time I see a post that has non-uniform sentence lengths and weird paragraph structure it is obviously some drone cutting and pasting. What, you're going from site to site with mass responses furiously trying to defend this undefendable woman? Get a clue, buddy.
Konochingo, thanks for the insights.
I guess I should clarify I didn't mean to say the 3rd district doesn't have any sway, but I think in terms of interpreting the demographics you can glean a lot just by seeing what a huge amount of open space separates the people who live out there. It's deeply rural, far more than almost any parts of Iowa I've ever been to. That said, I lived in Iowa for only 3 years, and I never spent much time in NE (sorry for getting the abbreviation wrong before!) so I'm no expert.
"Give her time on the national scene. She'll be just fine, even if the echo chamber here hates her."
The only "echo chamber" is in your head. Long time conservatives are now openly calling for her to resign. Can you explain that?
Long time conservatives are ditching McCain too, care to have a stab at enlightening us as to why?
First you'll have to read those articles though.
Honestly, some Americans are by any reasonable definition, literally, insane. This republican thing is a kind of vast, nationwide Stockholm syndrome. So wierd.
bruce, Palin has NOT done just fine on the national scene yet. I am convinced you Palin supporters have not seen either the Hannity or Couric interviews. Seriously spend some time evaluating her performance, its not worth criticizing it is just so sad. These are 2 mostly friendly interviewers! As far as being attacked, my god this woman is a vice presidential candidate. The fact that she accepted John McCain's offer makes me far less sympathetic. She herself had to know she was not ready for the job. As one of the conservative writers says, there indeed is a PALIN PROBLEM.
bruce said...
By the way, don't get me wrong. I think Nate's passion for this is great, it's just that his biases are too pronounced and affect every aspect of this site's coverage of the polling data.
Bullshit.
Read Nate's balanced analysis on today's polls. His restraint is cleatly evident.
Get some new conservatroll talking points.
"I'm wondering how much sway Chuck Hagel carries in NB these days.
I doubt Hagel has any clout whatsoever in New Brunswick.
NE on the other hand...
Dammit Jakam!!!!! I already apologized!!!! When will the vicious attacks end? Sheesh, I feel like Sarah Palin over here.
Besides, from what others have indicated, it seems Hagel might be more popular in New Brunswick than he is in Nebraska.
Also, where I come from NE stands for New England. No excuse, but still. Cut me some slack, jack.
Can you imagine Palin one-on-one with Tim Russert for an hour?
I think by the end she would be apologizing to the country for accepting the VP slot.
again, I'm not arguing that Nebraska university system compares to IA or IL or a whole bunch of other states. It doesn't. Which is why I didn't attend the system. Nebraska has a serious issue there.
But I will argue that I've worked on a lot of liberal issues over the years in the state and I've generally found that if you take the time out to actually talk to people, find the right frames for the discussion you can actually convince many nebraskans to support some very liberal ideas.
Most nebraskans that I know are conservative by nature but not ideologically stuck there. While they won't necessarily switch their position they're usually willing to at least listen with an open mind and discuss.
I guess I'm just incredibly biased and don't want to give up hope for my state.
Seriously, folks, Sarah Palin is getting steamrolled by the former hosts of Good Morning America and The Today Show.
Think about that.
She's not failing at interviews with Russert, Matthews, Farheed Zakaria, Bill Maher, etc, but CHARLIE GIBSON AND KATIE COURIC!
This shit isn't even about winning anymore, McCain needs to drop Palin because he's risking the safety and security of the American people by having her a 72-Year Old heartbeat away from the presidency.
Right reasoning, wrong conclusion. To have an honest election where the issue is about a 72 yr old passing away, the election should be Obama vs Palin. Therefore McCain should withdraw to allow the people an honest vote on whether or not they will allow Palin running their country.
"Seriously though. What are the differences in the demographics of a state like Nebraska and Iowa? Is there any really?"
I'm from Nebraska!! Although I live in The Netherlands now (long story). I don't know off hand all the demographic differences along race and so forth... But Nebraska and Iowa are very different animals.
1. Except for Omaha, Nebraska is overwhelmingly small town and rural. Only 1.5+ million people in a land area bigger than Germany. Iowa does not have a city as large as (?large?) Omaha, but does have a more even distribution of middle sized cities: Council Bluffs, Des Moines, Davenport, Quad Cities, etc.
2. Iowa has a LOT of college towns whereas Nebraska's only college town is the state capital, Lincoln--and that's only because the main campus of the State U system is there...UNL - Cornhuskers, football, "USA! USA!", etc. The rest are mainly commuter campuses. But except for English departments and Fine Arts their mainly MBA track yahoos or communication majors. Ironic.
3. Nebraska has a lot more ranchers than Iowa. Out in Western Nebraska, that's ranch country. We also have a replica of Stonehenge made out of junked cars spray-painted gray.
4. At a drunken party in Iowa one is waaaaay less likely to have a political conversation with a 20 something girls which goes like this... "Politics? This is Nebraska. Republican. We're Republican. This is Nebraska".
5. You have to forgive that sad innocence. We're insanely populist. William Jennings Bryan was Nebraskan (So was Malcom X, Christopher Lasch, and technically Gerald Ford...and I think also Marlin Brando...so, like, really the cream of the Midwestern crop). We're so populist that our state legislative body is unicameral, i.e. only a senate and not a senate and house--and it is technically non-partisan. State senators don't run on a party ticket and there are no party caucuses...
6. Obama could have picked up Nebraska in a cinch, I think, had Chuck Hagel been his running mate. But, hey, I'm a district 2 absentee voter and no sour grapes here.
And, also, as another Nebraskan I saw post. We are, most of us, pretty open minded and if one takes time to frame a discussion the right way, you can get people to see sense in a lot of things they otherwise might not. In any case!!
OBAMAHA 2008!!
Has anyone done a study to see how the EC would shake out if all states awarded their EVs by districts or some other higher resolution standard?
Has anyone done a study to see how the EC would shake out if all states awarded their EVs by districts or some other higher resolution standard like Maine or Nebraska?
RE: the Nebraska as wasteland comments--I think you are confusing a lack of population with a wasteland. Spend time canoeing the Niobrara river and you won't consider it a wasteland. There is no desert in Nebraska and lots of trees, etc. if that is your definition of wasteland. I don't consider desert wasteland either. I'd rather go with Wallace Stegner, who saw a beauty in the dry West. But the open space of Nebraska is only a wasteland to some who just "drive through it".
Ann is incorrect that the governorship has been the sole basis for the democratic elected office presence. Dems have been extremely successful in Nebraska the last 30 years. It is true that Exon (D) was governor for two terms in the 70s and Bob Kerry (D) in the 80s and Ben Nelson (D) in the 90s. But all went on to serve in the Senate for much longer and each had much more funds to campaign and influence over the party as Senators. With Cavanaugh to Hoagland, the Dems have held the CD2 House seat quite a few years pre 1994 Repub Rev. The Omaha mayor is now and has often been a Democrat. Ann is right that Nebraska Democrats are to the right of Democrats nationally, but some such as Hoagland and Kerry have been openly pro-choice. In 1990, the dems held CD2, both Senate seats, the governorship, and the Omaha mayor.
The Nebraska democratic party is not non-functioning and has cared about and performed voter ID over the years, particularly in Lincoln and Omaha. The state party had a statewide voter database as early as the mid 1980s that included voter and census data and has had well-funded senate campaigns. The Hoagland house campaigns in the late 1980s were some of the most expensive in the nation (4th most in 1988 for example) and did great targeting to win by razor thin margins. That said, Iowa has a much more active party on the presidential level with its super-influential early caucuses and the fact that it has been competitive for both parties when NE has not been.
d. Nebraskans aren’t less educated than other states—see the education ranking of 16 out of 50; Nebraska test scores have consistently been higher and the state was open-minded enough to opt out of the No Child Left Behind ridiculous testing requirements. The alternative music scene in Lincoln and Omaha has been vibrant at times over the last 20 years, with Conor Oberst at the lead lately. That said, the people are generally conservative, but their ability to elect democrats to statewide office shows they are not ideologically inflexible—especially post-Gingrich. I’m very put off by the attitude of some of the ex-Nebraskans posting there that they are so much smarter and informed than those they left behind. Not to go all Palin on you but I don’t think so poorly of the people I lived with and worked with. I graduated from a Nebraska high school and from Stanford. While at Stanford I stopped out a quarter and took a semester’s worth of classes at University of Nebraska to save money. In the seminar I took, discussion was at the same level as I had at Stanford, with less attitude. The professor was better than most I had a Stanford. The larger classes didn’t have the same level of student, but an open admissions policy gives you that. I agree with the poster who basically said, if you listen you find more than you think you will. Ralph Ellison has a wonderful essay about “Chehaw Station” and how in America if you assume you are more knowing because of appearances, you can get surprised.
Ann is right about few recent candidate visits during general election -- However... : ) candidate visits include Wm Jennings Bryan (dem candidate from NE) in 1896, Teddy Roosevelt (starting in my hometown of Falls City) in 1900 (still lost NE to McKinley). In 1936, FDR visited Lincoln in the fall of that election year. In 1940, Henry Wallace campaigned in several towns. Al Gore did visit when VP during 1992 election time, I think, but for other candidates. But in primaries, Obama visited… Ford, others.
Also. "Wasteland" is not the right term for the landscape of Western Nebraska. Beautiful buttes, sand hills from when it used to be an ancient inland sea. Really gorgeous. I toured the whole state before I moved abroad. Beautiful.
I have to laugh at the close minded sterotypes most of the "liberals" have posted on this thread.
Nebraska has a culture that is much, much more rooted in the frontier than Iowa. If you knew anything about American history, you would know that the frontier and the frontier culture is essentially classical liberalism, which is modern conservatism in the US.
Iowa is strongly influenced by its position as a presidential caucus state. Iowa gets an incredible amount of federal government handouts due to this process. Both parties campaign to give money to any kind of Iowa lobby, that is just the price of doing business in Iowa. The entire state is really built around the farm culture, and has the interest of farmers 1st.
Nebraska may appear the same as Iowa, but it is not. Beyond culture, Nebraska has a much larger urbanized population than Iowa. 50% of Nebraska lives in the Omaha or Lincoln metro areas, both urban. Iowa is dominated by smaller towns.
Both are very well educated, both are very active in civics. Both share similar demographics. There is simply a different culture and mindset between the Husker and Iowegian.
I'm amazed that nobody in this post has mentioned that even in the 2nd Congressional District, Bush won 61% of the vote here against Kerry in 2004. The Omaha TV market reaches Western Iowa, so there is some merit there - but if Obama ends up losing a start really close (like Florida 2000 or Bush in Wisconsin in 2004), then I would have to really question the investment in a ground game in Omaha.
To make every vote in every state politically relevant and equal in presidential elections, support the National Popular Vote bill.
The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). The bill would take effect only when enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).
The National Popular Vote bill has been approved by 21 legislative chambers (one house in CO, AR, ME, NC, and WA, and two houses in MD, IL, HI, CA, MA, NJ, RI, and VT). It has been enacted into law in Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These states have 50 (19%) of the 270 electoral votes needed to bring this legislation into effect.
see http://www.NationalPopularVote.com
Im going to put a different slant on everyone's views of Nebraska. First of all, this is a conversation about CD-02. We all know, like the article states, 4 of 5 electoral votes are going to McCain. Comparing Iowa and Nebraska is pointless. They are different states. I live in the central part of Omaha. I am young, in college, and pay a lot of attention to politics. EVERYONE I know is supporting Obama. In my neighborhood there are a lot of houses with Obama signs, and Ive only seen one McCain sign. I rarely hear any public support for McCain, so those voters must be keeping quiet, but I have heard many vocal supporters for Obama. Canvassers have been out in full force throughout CD-O2, and the volunteer effort is massive. Obama has opened in office here and everytime Ive been there I see the place is full of people making phone calls. Republicans have no help from McCain but only the Nebraska republican party. The demographics in Omaha are much more diverse than the rest of the state, so dont lump the city in with everything else. There have been huge GOTV efforts throughout the district, especially in the african american heavy northern side, and the hispanic heavy southern side.
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