8:29 CDT: [Nate] McCain, calling out ethanol subsidies as a bad thing, would seem (correctly) to have recognized that he's lost Iowa.
8:28 CDT: [Sean] Nate's right -- it's hard to do this objectively. But it seems Obama is in control and crisp.
8:24 CDT: [Nate] Everything about McCain says "old". Anecdotes about things he accomplished a long time ago. References to Dwight Eisenhower. Old jokes about bears in Montana. Old Reagan-Bush style economic talk.
8:22 CDT: [Sean] Has McCain looked at Obama yet?
8:16 CDT: [Nate] I don't quite understand this MediaCurves thing, but it looks like independents are breaking about 60:40 for Obama on this economic stuff so far.
8:11 CDT: [Sean] What was that "write two letters" story in one of those Cold War movies? The first letter was to blame it on your predecessor, the second letter was to his successor telling him to write two letters.
8:09 CDT: [Sean] Obama beats McCain to the "I was trying to fix this problem before it got to this point" punch.
8:08 CDT: [Nate] As a Democrat, I felt very good about those first five minutes. Tying this whole mess to Bush was exactly what he needed to do. And McCain looks tired; the visual difference is pretty striking.
8:05 CDT: [Sean] Welcome, Nate.
8:03 CDT: [Nate] Have to say: the debates are probably the most difficult element of the entire campaign to evaluate objectively. But we'll give it the old college try.
8:02 CDT: [Sean] Here we go. The Superbowl of politics.
8:00 CDT: [Sean] So, I'm hearing CNN is talking about FiveThirtyEight. Toobin mentioned us, and then Begala referred to "90210 dot com." But I haven't heard what they were saying. Was it about Nate's scary giant brain?
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>>Yes what Becky?
Dario - Obama started with "We should never have gone in". I liked that
Here we go! Surge, surge, surge
ooooh VVVVEEEEEP
@Nicholas - Yes
McCain: "He didn't hold a hearing!"
Obama: "There he goes with Washington inside baseball."
BooYah!!!
McCain is getting mad, very nice. Shoiw the split screen.
Obama def sounds in control more than McCain.
when did the war start? LOL
Nice! 2007!
Bang! Slam! Kapow!
Mccain won't hold up, he is getting exasperated...
Heh, heh.
He said "orgy."
Yeah. Heh, heh.
Now he's getting me wet!
McCain sounds tired and angry
OMFG He's insane,
Obama turned that question to his advantage. McCain is winning the red states, Obama just got the independents.
McCain just got killed in that exchange.
Define "WIN" in Iraq.
100 years John!
McCain have chances in Idaho?
"A strategy is different from a tactic"...McCain
Let no conservative dare call Obama 'condescending' after that shit.
michele-lee, maybe Obama has a few umms in there but the fact is the points he makes are much clearer and "bigger picture". McCain just said Obama doesn't know the difference between a tactic and a strategy. WELL neither do most of the american people except a few hardcore military people in red states. Thats where McCain is failing he can't make a salient, simple point. I think Obama has won the iraq issue here.
If McCain knows he's lost Iowa, can Obama now take Iowa for granted and admit ethanol subsidies don't make economic or environmental sense?
CNN composite scores:
O +37
O -9
M +20
M -16
Obama is owning his ass.
Obama just roughed up Mac on his support of Bush the last 8 years.
In response is that "Miss Congeniality" line and a bunch of irrelevancies.
OPPOSED FUNDING FOR TROOPS!! FUCK YES. BRING IT.
"John always brings this up" Haha. (shades of Reagan)
Prediction: It's over. McCain carries the reddest of the red states, and no more. He'll get close to the GOP base vote, and that's his ceiling.
This performance is HORRIFFIC!! For JOHN MCCAIN!!!
BO is now winning.
McCain will get worse, he is old and getting tired after a long day.
McCain can win the debate point on the surge, but no one thinks the war was worth it, even if were over tomorrow and peace for 20 years.
"we're winning the war"; a few more such victories and we (the USA) are undone.
Agree totally Fred. He needs a nap - they should have set up a little bed on stage
Who the hell dressed Jhon McCain - bad suit color, terrible tie. Cindy has no taste John!
"Victory." What does that mean?
Also: do you notice that McCain is talking about "victory" in IRaq in the PAST tense? As if we'd already won? (Like he already the debate this morning.)
If you had told me before tonight that Obama would pwn a foreign policy debate, I'd have called you crazy. Obama is kicking McCain all over the stage.
* balls explode *
Does McCain look as bitter as he sounds?
Please keep posting the CNN scores. I am in a location where I only have broadcast tv here.
I think Obama is winning but you never know.
I wish VCon and FlaGOP were here to have some other views this feels too much like an Obama pep rally
Becky-
McCain is beginning to tlok angry. I think he knows he is losing.
Becky -
Bitter. Good word. McCain can't believe this young upstart is stealing his prize, and it shows. Good call.
Cindy is better than McCain in debate.
O emphasizes that he'll use force when he has to, while calling the whole Iraq war (and McCain's vote) into question.
McCain's response is pretty sharp: the next president doens't have to worry about a vote for war in Iraq.
What are the CNN scores? Where are they? are they those items that they said were only available on HD?
bay area resident: Well, the scores are CNN pundit scores, so take them with a shaker of salt.
O +38
O -10
M +22
M -16
I'm sure VCon and FlGop have already turned off their televisions in disgust. Believe me, if Obama were sucking tonight I'd admit it. I was actually ready for it. The opposite is happening, however.
I like Ob's bullet points at the end of his paragraphs. "So here's the wrap-up:" That kind of debating tactic.
LOL @ Bill P. @ 8:38!
Where's the CNN scores? I only see some line graph at the bottom but no "scores"
republican ticker on cnn goes up when obama speaks WTF ?
whoa... mccain admits mistake on war... way to shoot yourself in the foot on the one issue that the american people are all convinced you lead in
"You said we'd there was no hx of violence between Sunni and SHia--you were wrong."
"YOu said x...you were wrong."
"YOu said x...you were wrong."
"YOu said x...you were wrong."
Excellent.
Thanks for the shout out, Lani!
"scores" are hi-def only on the left and right.
Actually, Obama DOES understand the difference between a tactic and strategy. I know wonder if McCain does.
I knew Alexander the Great, senator
this pakistan argument in all honesty just seems inconsistent on both ends, like there positions should be flip-flopped based on their principles re: Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe its just me...
He just called the taliban the telephone
M: "I know more about foreign policy than anyone!"
O: "You supported x, and y, and z."
M: "I was wrong."
Yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
obama says "take him out". big points on any indies who are worried about obama not being able to pull the trigger if necessary
coming from you! haha
Shoot! He got the song in! Bomb, bomb Iran!
HAHA extinction for North Korea LOL.
Bottom line, Obama is another JFK in terms of speaking ability. No matter what the topic he wins.
Ha!!! You're right, Becky!!! Funny stuff!! And Obama hits 'bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran'.
This debate is PATHETIC!!! For JOHN MCCAIN!!!
lol. Songs about bombing Iran!!!
Do they get to drink water? :)
Bill P
So do you think that b/c this was "mccains debate" that the expectation was actually lower for obama? Then won't that be the case for the "economy debate"? Even though they've already gotten into that in this one...?
talking about this history with lebanon and Reagan in 1882 loses every voter under 50. WHO CARES JOHN
McCain is convinced he's debating Romney at the Reagan Library.
Not so sure, McCain might be taking a slight lead
weesa523:
I think this was viewed as McCain's best chance to make his case. He's failing miserably. Obama is actually looking like the more capable Commander-in-Chief at the moment, and that certainly beats my expectations.
Anecdote City.
Personal anecdote from McCain to show he understands that troops are people too.
McCain's anecdotes sound boring and out of place. This is a fucking policy debate, not a stump speech.
here come the 'sad mother' stories. We get it, mccain... you know war is hard, you've been there, etc. cmon, you've won that point!
Thought there was a clock on these things?
New post is up - twice actually.
OBAMA: I have a bracelet too.
PWND
"soldiers dying in vain"; in stat/finance land, we call that the Sunk Cost Fallacy.
Bracelet-off!!!
McCain: I have a bracelet from a soldier boy.
Obama: I have a bracelet from a soldier GIRL.
McCain: ...
Uh,oh...noun, verb????
i´m sleeping.
I don't know if Obama is winning--I'm predisposed to like his answers because I agree with him. But it sure doesn't look like he's losing.
And so he's winning.
Lehrer's a dick. he's letting McCain get the last word every time.
Obama should butt in more.
Bill..
Yeah I agree... but we are also biased... no?
Someone made a good point earlier that *most* just want to see their guy do well and not totally blow it because we've already made up our minds...
mccain looks robotic
countdown to sitting down with Iranian president
3...2...1
McCain is a Neocon's Wet Dream.
Stop saying he's Absolutely Right.
Apart from that... fine.
Obama is still the only one who's trying to have a conversation by looking at his opponent. That makes mccain look weak, in my view
Its true we are pro Obama but this is the FP debate... McCain was supposed to kick ass, he clearly is not doing that. Obama is answering like a CEO much more big picture instead of the minutia McCain brings up. The way the pundits were calling it, Obama was supposed to be stumped here, he is not, means Obama wins.
NICE kissinger shot
Good line, Barack.
bottom line- Obama is just smarter than McCain
Kissinger comments and diplomacy, wipeout Obama
Agree: Obama keeps looking at McCain and addressing him, and McCain keeps looking away.
SLAM DUNK!!!
SPAIN??? He's didn't even hear it, did, he?
Biased audience. That's why nit shouldn't be in Mississippi.
Obama holds his own and continues to look competent. McCain doesn't look incompetent, but that's not enough for him. He needed to crush OBama tonight. Maybe it will happen, but not so far.
I can't believe nobody's calling McCain on his statement (near the end of chapter 3) that "A healthy economy ... is probably the best recipe for eventually having our economy recover."
(I mean, not to mention that he says he's sure spending can be brought under control because he's been trying to do that for his entire career. I mean, seriously, "I'm sure I can because I've been trying to"? That doesn't make any damn sense.)
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