Twelve to one.
For every twelve voters who you talk to at their doors, one voter goes and votes who would not otherwise have voted. If you're asking: "how can I be most effective in helping my candidate win the election?" then an organizer's answer is going to be: knock on doors.
In a Yale study by Donald Green and Alan Gerber on the effects of doorknocking in local elections, they concluded that a conservative estimate was that "12 successful face-to-face contacts translated into one additional vote."
This figure, moreover, is a conservative estimate. When calculating the effects of actual treatment, we regarded any conversation with a member of the household as a "contact." Only about half of these conversations occurred directly with a subject in the treatment group; the remainder involved urging a housemate to vote and requesting that this message be passed along to the intended subject. Had we restricted the definition of contact to direct conversations with the subject, the apparent effects of canvassing would have been much greater.Although the study aimed at local elections, the principle is sound. Face-to-face contact is the single most important effort a volunteer can contribute to his or her candidate.
Let's do a little math. 12 face-to-face contacts is one new voter who would not have otherwise voted that you personally generated. You just doubled your own vote by speaking at the door to twelve voters. Of course, then it comes down to contact rate -- how often is the person home that you're trying to reach. A very low contact rate is probably 10%, and that happens. A very high contact rate can be 50%. Average is in the 25% ballpark. On average, you'd have to knock on 48 doors to generate 12 face-to-face contacts and one additional vote. 48 doors is a pretty standard, approximate walk list.
So if you go out one four-hour walk shift every weekend between now and the election, you've generated -- on average -- six extra votes from people who would not otherwise have voted for your candidate.
Does it sound paltry? Does it sound difficult? It's what campaigns do. In the aggregate, all that effort is transformative. It is what wins -- or fails to win elections. Organizers face 50 walk-ins a day asking for yard signs, people who politely make excuses as to why this is all they can do. Perhaps for a small handful of these people that is even true. Then the organizer grinds it out seeking people who will fill a shift to go knock on some doors, because every organizer knows 12-to-1.
In Grand Junction yesterday, we spent time tagging along with Obama volunteers doing just that. It was hard going, as many folks weren't home. But the doors were knocked anyway. Just past noon, a gathering of 15-20 volunteers collected in the office to first share their personal stories of why they'd been moved to get involved, and then action strategy unfolded. Morning canvassers returned with their walk sheets, volunteers made calls, and new canvassers went out for an early afternoon shift.
In Glenwood Springs up the road an hour or so, we saw the process repeat. A volunteer named Barclay Lottimer raved about the Obama organizer there, whose program in Garfield County had generated 3,000 knocks the previous weekend and 2,500 knocks so far this weekend when we stopped midday. Garfield had at least 1,000 new Democratic registrants. Summit County has flipped its registration edge from R to D based on the voter reg work spearheaded by Obama's organizers and volunteers. Many Colorado analysts expect Colorado Springs and Boulder to roughly cancel each other out, Denver and suburbs to trend toward Obama, but will McCain hold down Obama's Western Slope gains enough to keep Colorado in the red column?
A note about the McCain campaign. We are working as hard as we can to cover the Republican side of the ground game everywhere we go. We always go to their offices and look for volunteers, organizers, anyone who can tell us what is happening on the ground. But in Colorado on Saturday and Sunday, we found every office but the Cortez office closed. The Durango office was closed on Saturday. The Grand Junction office was closed on Sunday. In Glenwood Springs, Eagle, and Dillon -- where we stopped in at busy Obama offices -- McCain and/or Republican Party offices were either closed or nonexistent.
What we believe is happening here is that the McCain campaign is relying on its highly microtargeted phone calling to run its ground operation on the Western Slope, and that toward the end it will beef up its western ground staff in must-win Colorado. We also infer that the McCain camp is skeptical of Obama's ability to improve on past Democratic performance on the Western Slope, otherwise they'd be working harder. We expect to see more action today and tomorrow along the Front Range.
A couple key factors are at work in Colorado. One is that as the population has grown on the Western Slope, it has become slightly bluer. Witness Durango. Another is the economic impact of oil and natural gas development. When the oil shale industry went from boom to bust in the 70s, Grand Junction and surrounding towns went through a decades-long depression. Republicans have successfully captalized on demonizing environmentalists in this part of the world as the ones responsible for killing natural gas exploration jobs.
Of course, it's a bit more complex than that, given that the insistence on new exploration comes while large acerages of already-leased land goes undeveloped. This is a post, in the end, more about the ground game, and the overall point is that voters here are very sensitive to the economic fortunes of the oil and natural gas industry because that industry drives so many jobs.
Grand Junction will be seeing a visit from at least one if not both McCain and Palin in the near future. That visit has been announced but not definitively shceduled, and of course Barack Obama was here a week ago. Once McCain/Palin visit, one would think the local field office would be open on weekends after that point. John Kerry got crushed in Mesa County, losing 41,539 to 19,564. Obama will not win Mesa -- the largest Western Slope vote concentration -- but if he can use his ground operation to get that 22,000-vote margin down by a third to half, as well as pick up margins in all these surrounding counties where his ground operation is humming along, the big task is going to be motivating voters in Denver to stay in the inevitably huge lines on Election Day.
We're in the Colorado Springs/Denver/Boulder areas today and tomorrow, then a Wednesday race across Nebraska to Omaha and Des Moines. Thanks for the overwhelming response from organizers and their kind and grateful words after yesterday's yard signs post. Some of us really do get it.



802 comments
Obama is currently ahead in almost all of the swing states. The only ones he might not be ahead in are landslide states like NC, Ind, Montana. He may not hold onto all of them, but he's ahead in almost all of them right now including Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado. Any polling that says he's behind 6 in Florida, 4 in Ohio, and 2 in Pennsylvania is completely wrong by probably at least 5 points each.
You reposted one. And you reposed a rumor right next to it.
It only serves to confuse people.
Note the questionmarks. And the one-word comment. I'm mostly subtle in my rejection of made-up polls or weird stories. My response to Sarah Palin's "War with Russia" comment when it came on here was, "I hope there's more to that quote."
I think I'll wait till the numbers are actually posted on Rass. Given Obama -3 in NC and +8 in MN they just don't jive.
It could be folks that VA is trending Obama and PA is trending McCain. McCain has a lot of appeal to the folks who are outside of Philadelphia, Obama has a ton of support in the growing parts of VA's high tech area.
Ergo, perhaps the iron trend line could be reassessed as PA and VA could be going in different directions this cycle with these candidates.
The fact that PA has a huge elderly population would support this cross current.
Why don't we all just throw out our own personal Rasmussen PA number for today? I'm gonna go with Obama +1.
Scott said...
Just as you would admit that the 538 authors "lean" Obama.
We don't have to admit it for them. They say as much on the website.
I know Scott, I know. I was just teasing to make a point. I actually enjoy and respect their point-of-view from the other side...
Well, if those Rass poll numbers WERE fake (which I'm leaning towards):
My guess for the Rass numbers are:
OH McCain +1
MI Obama +4
VA TIE
PA Obama +1
FL McCain +2
If McCain's numbers are this bad in biased Rasmussen samples than we truly know it's over...
inkstain are you worried about obama in PA now?
McCain is bleeding support rapidly. I'm sure Fox and Ras will come through with some state polls today saying it ain't so.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
Kerry - MI or PA + NM + IA + VA + IN is enough to win, right?
Obviously, Obama still has a very good chance to defend Kerry, but it looks like he's getting a lot of other ways to win (if that poll from IU is true, and even if not, Selzer)
My guess, forgetting the prior questionable leak:
OH McCain +2
MI Obama +3
VA Obama +1
PA Obama +1
FL McCain +3
Anyone who believes racism isn't playing a part in this election merely needs to ask themselves what the reaction would be if Barack Obama had an unmarried 17-yo pregnant daughter. Would right wing Republic loons be praising him for it and congratulating the mother?
Thought not. So if you think race isn't playing a role this year, you're just wrong. Cool thing is that Obama's kicking McCain's sorry ass anyway. So that's something.
I'll guess
OH TIE
MI Obama +4
VA Obama +2
PA Obama +3
FL TIE
Any polling that says he's behind 6 in Florida, 4 in Ohio, and 2 in Pennsylvania is completely wrong by probably at least 5 points each
Proof? Wishful thinking?
Real - it doesn't do McCain much good to fake good results in polls, seriously. Worse Ras polls will drive panic in the GOP to work harder for example. Only Fox really reports Ras anyway.
"Kerry - MI or PA + NM + IA + VA + IN is enough to win, right?"
Go to this site and play around with the numbers all you like. you can also run the random thingy to watch states get randomly assigned based on current polling:
http://www.270towin.com/
Inkstain said
"If they were still using their 2004 methodology, that'd be great."
What makes you say they are not?
Yes, that was a serious question, not a point.
I ask, because I realize Ras is now employed by FOX, which makes sense because they are a business and Ras predicted correctly for their candidate in '04.
Vanessa said...
inkstain are you worried about obama in PA now?
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I'm not ink, but I'll worry about PA when Obama isn't up >2 nationally and more polls than just Rasmussen show McCain ahead.
Again, like others I don't believe the leak, however, it is feasible given that Ras had PA tied last week.
Bill, imagine the reaction if McCain attended a church for 15 years with a pastor who sold DVD's of multiple sermons which attacked black people's greed as the cause of a "world in need, etc???
That knife cuts both ways, and Obama is getting his share of breaks because of his ethnicity, just like he gets some dings because of it as well.
Obama won't get 96% of democrats in Virginia, you can take that to the bank. And he wins 17% of conservatives? That ABC News Virginia poll is bunk.
PA O +1
MI O +1
VA O +2
FL M +2
OH M +2
My best guesses for Ras, FWIW.
My Rasmussen guess:
OH: McCain +3
MI: Obama +3
VA: Obama +1
PA: Obama +3
FL: McCain +2
I'm not worried about PA, either.
That knife cuts both ways, and Obama is getting his share of breaks because of his ethnicity, just like he gets some dings because of it as well.
Amen.
I don't see McCain anything closer than within 2 in PA. He's never held a lead here, even at the height of his bubble.
Republicans always close the gap here, but have never been able to eek out those last 2 or 3 points needed to actually draw even, let alone pull ahead.
Tyrone-
People in Virginia don't register by party, they self-identify. So 96% is plausible.
Ty, I'd agree that Obama won't get those numbers on Nov 4, but he probably is close to them now with this financial crisis, and people are voting there today.
Troubling sign for McCain, the rustbelt may be his only way out
prediction:
OH-McCain +2
FL-McCain +2
VA-Obama +3
MI-Obama+5
PA-Obama+2
One good thing about the elecotal vote website is the 2004 vs 2008 comparison. Obama is doing better in PA, slightly better in OH, par in MI, and much better in WI and MN. What is with this perceived Midwest/Rust Belt problem?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/pennsylvania.html
@Mule Rider
I think the same is true for abortion on the Republican side. They can hint and peck around the issue and try and keep it minimized and controlled in the best way possible, but Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned anytime soon.
What kind of sexytime parts do you have? Do you have a vagina? Or do you just think that you know what having one is like and entitled to make informed decisions on the subject? I'm just curious. :)
Prediction:
OH: McCain +1
FL: McCain +2
VA: Obama +2
MI: Obama +4
PA: Obama +2
tajacobson
The average person can knock 48 doors in just over a hour. Depending on the person, a four hour shift will hit at least 150 doors.
What now? That's slightly over a minute per door knock. Really? With these lists where you have to drive to every address, I'm doing well to get 30 door-knocks in two hours.
Or maybe I just suck at canvassing.
It's pretty clear that Obama is doing worse in Ohio versus Kerry's numbers. Lots of evidence all over the place on that one.
Vanessa said...
inkstain are you worried about obama in PA now?
Obama is ahead 3-5 points in Pennsylvania whether the McCain supporters like it or not. There is no way McCain polled up 6 in florida, 4 in Ohio, and 2 in Pennsylvania last week. No way at all.
If Rasmussen polls show MI +4, then take MI out of toss up and into blue for sure.
Their methodology is not as biased as it is faulty: they assume that each state registration balance is 35-35-30 and end polling when the balance is met depending on the size of the sample.
I am very sure that the spread between D and R registration in MN, WI, MI, and PA are 38-33-29 at minimum and Rasmussen should use those numbers. There are over 4 million new voters in all of those states unaccounted for, as well, under their methodology. LVs are only people who voted in '04.
Ras should be a little more open with their practices. When pressed, they claim client confidentiality. Their client is getting the numbers they want, I guess...
Ohio=irrelevant.
@Mule Rider:
It's in the Republican best interest to keep on dangling Roe v Wade as a carrot in front of the wedge-issue crowd, it's the only thing that keeps many of them voting red.
Now, I fully believe that, given the opportunity, they'll try to ban hormone-based contraceptives.
It would be very hard to believe Rasmussen wouldn't have good numbers for Obama today especially after saying Obama was only down by 2 in Indiana and 3 in North Carolina. P
weesa,
I never said I should make informed decisions about the subject. I only said abortion is an issue to Reps just as gun control is to Dems. It's not something either party has much control over, but the more extreme ends will use it as a rallying cry for the base and to exploit votes when possible.
That's all. I didn't think I was taking a stake in anything.
Hmm, I guess Rasmussen will show how it really is - with a 4 point McCain house effect:
OH: McCain +2
FL: McCain +4
VA: McCain +1
MI: Obama +2
PA: Tie
Too bad he doesn´t poll Colorado.
Pennsylvania has over 1,000,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans. That's a fact, though I don't have the link. I wouldn't be surprised if you gave that state a 35R-35D-30I breakdown that McCain would be ahead, but if you used actual numbers Obama's probably up at least 3, maybe more. That's at least a 5 point flaw, probably more.
You really think so Mike? I think that's a little paranoid. Everyone likes contraceptive devices and pills. :)
Virginia Conservative=lovable
I would just like to say that I appreciate a Dem writing about the election without using all the "McSame, Rethug" stuff, and in case any Republicans are reading this I'm also pretty sick of "The One" and "Democraps."
I have reached the point where the minute I see one of these words in someone's opinion, I just stop reading.
Palin just now on cnn live again proposed "putting the government checkbook online"
These people really think we are dumb.
"It's pretty clear that Obama is doing worse in Ohio versus Kerry's numbers. Lots of evidence all over the place on that one."
800,000 new voters in OH and a secretary of state who will let them vote. They are rarely, if ever, polled as LVs because LV is defined as having voted in the same previous horse race.
That precludes the young and, in a lot of cases, minorities.
The young and minorities are overwhelmingly breaking toward Obama.
An OH +1 for McCain might as well be a +3 for Obama.
Vanessa said...
"inkstain are you worried about obama in PA now?"
V, not because I'm a PA native or McCain supporter, but I posted here or somewhere a day or two ago that I think Obama will probably fair better in VA than PA. I say that because I know it well and have been all over the state. I stated that Obama won only 7 of 67 counties in the Primary; of those 7, Bush carried 5 of them in '04. That makes only Philly and Delaware Co (Philly suburb) really safe, though Obama will take Allegheny (Pittsburgh) but not by the margin that Kerry did. Kerry won PA by only 144,000 in '04 and got 412,000 more in Central Philly. Whether he meant it or not, his bitter-gun-and-religion-clinging statement isn't viewed as a positive there either....
I think the possibility of PA and VA flippin' this year is real.
We'll see....
"Ohio=irrelevant."
yes!
The Real Mike Is Back said...
It's pretty clear that Obama is doing worse in Ohio versus Kerry's numbers. Lots of evidence all over the place on that one.
Obama's been ahead in 3 recent polls there. Kerry lost it by 2.5 points.
And Dems in some areas are still dangling the anti-gun theme as a carrot to wedge-issue people of that persuasion.
It's not a perfect comparison, but there are a lot of similarities in how those issues are used.
Hey! I live in Glenwood Springs. Don't really have anything else to contribute. I like your blog a lot.
@geoff,
have you seen the new Republican platform: life begins the second a cell divides, before implantation. yeah, they'll go after contraception.
but i think they'll stop short of overturning roe v wade. they'll just keep trotting it out every 4 years to keep the idiot voter distracted while they rush through substantive things while they aren't looking.
@G.I. Joe from PA
I'm in suburban Philly... trust me, the suburban counties are going Obama. He lost the primary because Bucks Country went to Clinton, but it is in no danger of going red.
There is absolutely no enthusiasm here for McCain whatsoever.
Mike, cmon man, noone is going to ban the pill and condoms. That would truly lead to a revolution :)
Whatever votes Obama loses vs Kerry's '04 performance in Pittsburgh because of no Heinz, he'll make up in Philly. If Kerry won Philly by 412,000 votes, Obama will win it by 512,000 or more. Obama's having a fundraiser at Penn State mid-October with a concert of old-scholl rock, should be interesting. I don't see him losing Pennsylvania, though I don't live there. Rendell hasn't really gotten behind him enough. I'm not sure why.
Unless I missed one, the range of Rasmussen PA predictions is tie to Obama +3. No one has taken the McCain +2 bait.
My prediction for Ras...
OH: McCain +6
FL: McCain +7
VA: McCain +6
MI: McCain +6
PA: McCain +7
@geoff:
condoms, no.
morning-after pill: yes
the pill: if they can.
crazy, but sadly true. anything that stops a fertilized egg from implanting will be fairplay.
Eric - perhaps the Clinton link...look at Bill's comments today - barely more positive for Obama than McCain, and he actually libeled Obama talking about a manufactured record.
noone is going to ban the pill and condoms
If anything, we need to be encouraging widespread, rampant use of these things.
That's very bold of you, Deadpixel!
"I would just like to say that I appreciate a Dem writing about the election without using all the "McSame, Rethug" stuff, and in case any Republicans are reading this I'm also pretty sick of "The One" and "Democraps." I have reached the point where the minute I see one of these words in someone's opinion, I just stop reading."
I do the same with any post with a sentence that begins with "You libs..."
PA has also registered more than 500,000 new Democrats since the last election.
http://www.slate.com/id/2200587/
Even Christopher Hitchens, celebrity atheist thinks Obama might be another Dukakis. Worth a read for sure.
And what is Obama doing with Social Security?
http://www.slate.com/id/2200517/
(Slate isn't exactly the most conservative of publications I might add)
DeadPix - that's like they would be if McCain was up 3-4 nationally - not down 2-3 nationally like he is now.
@ Mule...
I see.
Sorry I mistook you for a fundie lovin yahoo.
Anyone who frequents Politico Nate has been referenced twice in the last 3 days. Nate is moving up in the world! LOL
My Ras predictions:
OH: McCain +4
MI: Obama +4
VA: Tie
PA: Obama +3
FL: McCain +1
"have you seen the new Republican platform: life begins the second a cell divides, before implantation. yeah, they'll go after contraception."
This would mean all women on Birth Control Pills commit uncounted abortions, because the BCP doesn't stop fertilization, it only stops implantation in the uterine wall. Life begins at Viability, people!!
lol, why PA +7 but only +6 for Ohio and Virginia deadpixel?
Rasmussen had the Pennsylvania race tied from a 500 person poll as of September 15th, taken before the financial crisis when McCain was ahead. There's no way McCain has gained 2 points since then. None! He's probably lost 6-8.
...Ras will buck the other numbers by an average of +4 to McCain. I will be surprised otherwise.
They are not biased. Just flawed on the party affiliation thing in Midwest states.
A sign of the future:
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/spies-warn-that-al-qaeda-aims-for-october-surprise/86326/
Makes you wonder why Al-Qaida wants to help the Republicans winning every 4 years....
my ras prediction
OH, mccain +2
FL, mccain +3
MI, obama +4
VA, mccain +1
PA, obama +2
He works for Fox news, that will have an effect of shifting the numbers to McCain. McCain's numbers have been so piss poor today someone has to rush in and bail him out, it doesn't make them true...
Hitchens has had it in for Obama since the Rev. Wright thing. He's got a thing for anybody who shows any outward religosity: Bush, Obama, Muslim fundies, Zionists. They're all the same to him.
Did I miss the discussion about sexytime parts five minutes before the Rasmussen poll comes out?
Great. Now my mojo is totally ruined. :-)
10 polls in Ohio. McCain won 7, 1 tie, and 2 for Obama. Now largely made irrelevant, as stated earlier, by the likelihood of Virginia in play.
Two minutes...
@alex
Because Bush has done more to further Bin Laden's cause than he has?
PMOC said...
Palin just now on cnn live again proposed "putting the government checkbook online"
These people really think we are dumb.
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Too late for Governor Mooseburger. Obama already did this.
She's a farce.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/palins-transparency-proposal-already-exists-in-dc/
Prediction:
PA Tie
MI O +1
VA O +2
FL M +5
OH M +4
Frankly, with Ras I wouldn't be suprised at M +6 across the board.
Mike said...
@G.I. Joe from PA
I'm in suburban Philly... trust me, the suburban counties are going Obama. He lost the primary because Bucks Country went to Clinton, but it is in no danger of going red.
There is absolutely no enthusiasm here for McCain whatsoever.
I respect that Mike, I do; however I have many paisans in Montgomery Co who are telling me it's different there. I don't see McCain winning any of the Philly border counties, but if he closes the '04 gap, it will truly pit West PA vs. East PA. I do think it'll be a battle and I'll get a better picture when I go to Blue Bell in Oct...
When McCain was up 3-5 in the polls two weeks ago Ras had Penn a tie. OBama has gained about 8 points nationally since then and lost 2 in Pennsylvania? Yeah right? I did notice they planted biden in Baltimore today?! Weird. Maryland ain't exactly a toss-up. I wonder if they think he's doing more harm than good. With Obama headed to bunker down in Florida, you'd think they need to use Biden as much as possible, this week especially.
Ras Predictions:
OH: McCain +2
FL: McCain +4
VA: McCain +2
MI: Obama +2
PA: Obama +1
November 4 projections:
OH: McCain +3
FL: McCain +3
VA: McCain +2
MI: Obama +4
PA: McCain +1
NC: McCain +7
WI: Obama +2
CO: McCain +1
NV: McCain +2
NM: Obama +2
Fox already said the battleground state polls were more "balanced" than the national numbers.
C'mon Shadow that's silly. Intercepting a sperm before it gets to an egg isnt the same as ending the growth of a fertilized egg.
Now, I am pro-life personally if I got someone pregnant, but I don't think the government should legislate no abortions.
Florida leaked:
Florida:
Obama: 46
McCain: 51
Difference: McCain +5 (no trend)
Ras has Ohio 50-46 for McCain.
No surprises there
Ohio:
McCain 50
Obama 46
Virginia:
McCain 50
Obama 48
realistxxx said...
PMOC said...
Palin just now on cnn live again proposed "putting the government checkbook online"
These people really think we are dumb.
Actually recently I started to think that maybe they're trying to lose.
Looks like the original leak was right!
Pay up fockers. I was right about Ohio. Guess my intern was off by one on VA
Can someone give a link? Because they haven't said anything on Fox News or the website.
I'm not a conservative so help me understand.... All the conservatives who constantly bitch and moan about welfare this and welfare that... "poppin out more kids just to stay on welfare that my taxes are payin for blah blah..."
WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ABORTION?
*Other than religion?
Early results from Rasmussen:
Virginia: McCain +2
Ohio: McCain +4
@ Gi Joe: I'll see your paisans in Montgomery county and raise you my Slavic hunkies along 422 in Pottstown. No, wait, I'd lose. Bad. :-)
VA 50-48 McCain
Ohio 50-46 McCain
I wondered why Biden was in Maryland also. He seems likable enough but he does occasionally have a gaffe or two ("Please stand up"/"He ain't gettin' my Beretta"/"Slight Indian accent"/"I'm a British politician with a sparkling resume!"). Maybe Obama is burying him like McCain has been accused of doing with Palin (although there were 60,000 witnesses to her existence in FL the other day).
Univeristy of New Hampshire has NH as McCain 47 Obama 45
ras ohio mccain up 4,
MI obama up 6 or 7
VA mccain up 2
PA obama up 3 dont no FL yet.
james woo: How can your intern be "off by one" if she had the numbers? Was she guessing or what?
"Can someone give a link? Because they haven't said anything on Fox News or the website."
Ohio
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_election
Virginia
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election
mccain up 5 in FL still.
This is what Woo posteD:
OH McCain +4
MI Obama +2
VA McCain +1
PA McCain +2
FL McCain +6
VA is off.
If PA were going for McCain, they would have leaked that first.
"C'mon Shadow that's silly. Intercepting a sperm before it gets to an egg isnt the same as ending the growth of a fertilized egg."
Birth Control Pills DO NOT INTERCEPT the sperm, nor do they stop the egg and sperm from uniting. Read a wiki on it. BCP stop the fertilized embryo from implanting on the uterine wall and growing. The fertilized egg simply washes out her system during her period. I'm not making up facts, this is true. Therefore, there are millions of fertilized eggs every year that do not get born because of the birth control pill. Not opinion, just fact.
Florida:
McCain 51
Obama 46
Ha! I told you! Rasmussen is a lying Fox Jagoff. He's the absolute worst disgrace for a pollster.
Yeah, I think you guys are mistaken on the birth control pill thing. It inhibits female fertility, thereby preventing fertilization of the egg.
Maybe you're thinking of the morning after pill.
Finally some good news!
Here's the latest from Rasmussen (09-21-08):
Florida:
Obama: 46
McCain: 51
Difference: McCain +5 (no trend)
Michigan:
Obama: 51
McCain: 44
Difference: Obama +7 (Trend McCain +2)
Ohio:
Obama: 46
McCain: 50
Difference: McCain +4 (Trend McCain +1)
Pennsylvania:
Obama: 48
McCain: 45
Difference: Obama +3 (Trend Obama +3)
Virginia:
Obama: 48
McCain: 50
Difference: McCain +2 (Trend McCain +2)
Please note that last week, when each of these pages updated with new numbers, they slightly changed a few minutes later (Obama went from -6 to -3 in Ohio and +2 to TIED in Pennsylvania).
Virginia: McCain +2
Ohio: McCain +4
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I nailed Virginia but was two under McCain on Ohio. McCain getting to 50% in both of those is good for him, but I think Obama is still doing better in VA than anyone expected a month ago. CO still looks like it may be the linchpin this year, if both sides hold serve in their respective state alliances.
@mule rider:
no, the pill prevents implantation. it does nothing to prevent fertilization.
My intern nailed Ohio and was off by one in FL and VA.
Guess you all won't be so quick to ridicule me next time.
Is PA in Ras 48-45 Obama or is that wrong?
MR-
The mechanism of COCPs is uncertain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_oral_contraceptive_pill
You were off in PA, douchebag. By a lot.
Michigan:
Obama 51
McCain 44
VA polls for the day:
+2 M
+6 O
+3 O
Averaged: 2.33 O
I'll take it!
"Is PA in Ras 48-45 Obama or is that wrong?"
It hasn't come up on the website yet (that I can see)
james woo: You did no better than the rest of us did GUESSING. Next time, either bribe your leaky intern more effectively or find a better source.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2008_pennsylvania_presidential_election
From the "wiki" site:
Combined oral contraceptive pills were developed to prevent ovulation by suppressing the release of gonadotropins. Combined hormonal contraceptives, including COCPs, inhibit follicular development and prevent ovulation as their primary mechanism of action.[1][19][57][58][59]
Progestagen negative feedback decreases the pulse frequency of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) release by the hypothalamus, which decreases the release of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and greatly decreases the release of luteinizing hormone (LH) by the anterior pituitary. Decreased levels of FSH inhibit follicular development, preventing an increase in estradiol levels. Progestagen negative feedback and the lack of estrogen positive feedback on LH release prevent a mid-cycle LH surge. Inhibition of follicular development and the absence of a LH surge prevent ovulation.[1][19][57]
Estrogen was originally included in oral contraceptives for better cycle control (to stabilize the endometrium and thereby reduce the incidence of breakthrough bleeding), but was also found to inhibit follicular development and help prevent ovulation. Estrogen negative feedback on the anterior pituitary greatly decreases the release of FSH, which inhibits follicular development and helps prevent ovulation.[1][19][57]
A secondary mechanism of action of all progestagen-containing contraceptives is inhibition of sperm penetration through the cervix into the upper genital tract (uterus and fallopian tubes) by decreasing the amount of and increasing the viscosity of the cervical mucus.[59]
Other secondary mechanisms have been hypothesized. One example is endometrial effects that prevent implantation of an embryo in the uterus. Pro-life groups consider such a mechanism to be abortifacient, and the existence of postfertilization mechanisms is a controversial topic. Some scientists point out that the possibility of fertilization during COCP use is very small. From this, they conclude that endometrial changes are unlikely to play an important role, if any, in the observed effectiveness of COCPs.[59] Others make more complex arguments against the existence of these mechanisms ,[60] while yet other scientists argue the existing data supports such mechanisms.[61] The controversy is currently unresolved.
"Is PA in Ras 48-45 Obama or is that wrong?"
It hasn't come up on the website yet (that I can see)
It's there. Look closely!
Eric, that link goes to a poll about Hillary VS. Obama from April.
Rasmussen sucks. Fox news pollster = loser
Looks like barry was lying yesterday about Rasmussen leaking on FOX News that McCain was up in PA, but so many people ran with that lie.
Looks like barry was lying yesterday about Rasmussen leaking on FOX News that McCain was up in PA, but so many people ran with that lie.
Here's the latest from Rasmussen (09-21-08):
Florida:
Obama: 46
McCain: 51
Difference: McCain +5 (no trend)
Michigan:
Obama: 51
McCain: 44
Difference: Obama +7 (Trend Obama +2)
Ohio:
Obama: 46
McCain: 50
Difference: McCain +4 (Trend McCain +1)
Pennsylvania:
Obama: 48
McCain: 45
Difference: Obama +3 (Trend Obama +3)
Virginia:
Obama: 48
McCain: 50
Difference: McCain +2 (Trend McCain +2)
Good numbers for Obama in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Good numbers for McCain in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.
Shadow i was referring to condoms in the first instance, take it easy.
Obama +3 in PA
so James Woo was off 5 in PA, 3 in Mich, 1 in VA, 1 in FL, and dead-on in Ohio.
Good-guessing James, don't print bunk numbers next time please
Decent set of numbers for McCain from Rasmussen
Ohio
M-50, O-46
Virginia
M-50, O-48
Crosstabs gives McCain 14% of black vote (LOL). He'll get 5%
Florida
M-51, O-46
Michigan
O-51, M-44
Pennsylvania
O-48, M-45
If I'm McCain, I'm happy with Florida and Ohio. I'm also scared about VA, because I know I'm not getting 14% of the black vote.
If I'm Obama, I'm happy with MI and PA.
PA is up, 48-45 Obama is right.
James Woo = EPIC FAIL
The Real Mike Is Back said...
@ Gi Joe: I'll see your paisans in Montgomery county and raise you my Slavic hunkies along 422 in Pottstown. No, wait, I'd lose. Bad. :-)
Yeah, just like I have learned never to bet on the Steelers over the years, I also never pit one ethnic group against the other in PA. Being a mutt, I would have a serious identity crisis. I just miss the good ol' time arguments while drinking a Rock or Yuengling. Though, it is becoming more popular down South....
AXMXZ:
Speaking of bribes... James WOO would like to send you one FIFTH of sixty million USD($60,000,000) if you assist him in moving his master, HRH SULIBAN SUI SHAN of Kenya's assests to a Swiss bank account. EMAIL him your routing number and account number.
I'm feeling better about VA now.
In the end, I think FL and OH are pipe-dreams for Obama. They would be clinchers if either one goes Blue but MI and PA are the 2 that I am glad stayed in the Obama column. And if the +3 or so GOP Bias is true for Rass then VA is coin-flip.
McCain strengthened in PA among Republicans and Democrats but the independents were what decided PA this week, going for Obama by 19.
If Rasmussen really uses 35R-35D-30I for their state polling then those numbers are all fantastic for Obama since 3 of the 5 (Ohio, Penn, Mich) have way more Democrats than Republicans and the other two (VA, FL) are even at worst for the Dems
Hmm, well it shows that as long as the economy stays in the focus, Michigan and Pennsylvania are out of reach for McCain. I cannot really regard Michigan as a potential pick-up for McCain anymore. Virginia looks like an excellent chance for Obama now. I believe the local Republican party is not as organized as the Nevada Republicans or Colorado evangelicals.
If James Woo does have an intern source in Rasmussen's Church, then I'd have even less confidence in their data: that implies that they can't even make up their mind what the numbers are just prior to release!
I'll take SUSA any day.
"but the independents were what decided PA this week, going for Obama by 19"
ouch...that'll leave a mark.
You know watching the pundits try and figure out what the hell they're doing kind of reminds me of Monty Python... "Well, this is exactly what I expected, except that the other party won."
Man I can't wait for election night for them to make complete fools out of themselves again.
VA has had about 5000 people polled in released state polls in the last two weeks. They have almost exactly the same number of voters in those polls. 2500-2500 almost exactly. do the math on RCP.
+3 Obama in PA wins. I lose with my +1. Oh well, more is certainly better and this poll should stop any (somewhat logical) Republican from thinking that Obama is going to blow PA.
mason: Can't I just give him my "escro account" number?
If Rasmussen has a pro-McCain house effect of +2, then you can interpret these numbers as:
Florida: McCain +3
Michigan: Obama +9
Ohio: McCain +2
Pennsylvania: Obama +5
Virginia: TIED
g.i. joe from pa:
The Stealers suck. Roethlisberger = Massively Overrated.
These Ras numbers are all perfectly in line with Obama's recent up swing.
OH and FL are still resisting.
Va is close and PA and MI are pulling away.
Put these with all of the other polling today and Obama's 538 regression trend stays positive and has a new set point.
Given Ras's R+ house effect, these polls are good for Obama.
I thought HRH Suliban Sui Shan was from Nigeria...
I was off 1 in OH, 4 in MI, 3 in VA, and 3 in FL. I got PA. 11 points off.
James Woo got OH, off 5 in MI, off 1 in VA, off 5 in PA, and off 1 in FL. 12 points off.
If you are as off as I am, James Woo, that is not a good thing. Better described as EPIC FAIL.
If you calculate in the factor for the faulty party affiliation methodology Ras accepts, the 9/21 numbers would be as follows:
Florida:
Obama: 48.5
McCain: 48.5
Michigan:
Obama: 53.5
McCain: 40.5
Ohio:
Obama: 48.5
McCain: 47.5
Pennsylvania:
Obama: 50.5
McCain: 42.5
Virginia:
Obama: 50.5
McCain: 47.5
If you compare Ras with recent polling from other sources with larger samples and proper registration balance in methodologies over this past weekend, these numbers are confirmed.
This methodology was also used in SC for a pre-crisis poll of 51-45. That state could be closer than we all think, too.
The Media is obsessing about Michigan and I personally don't think it's top 10 in tipping point possibilities. You know what Chris Rock says, Kwame Kilpatrick reminds noone of Barack Obama. I don't live there, but I bet they blame Bush more than Granholm. They just reelected her. I think she'd been a great choice for OBama VP if she wasn't Canadian actually.
eric: Where did you get 35R-35D-30I split? That would be fantastic if it were true!
Despite my oft stated stand against ad hominems, I think we can all safely assume that James Woo is a douchebag.
Are those Rasmussen weightings correct for state polling??? does anyone know? I know how they weight their national daily, but 35-35-30 seems real arbitrary anddumb for state polling.
Now the media is all [Wolf Blitzer Monotone]IT AAAAAAALLLL COMES DOWNNN TO PENNNNNNNSYYYYYYLVANIA![/Wolf Blitzer Monotone]
Birth control pills be damned when you're an expert at pulling out on time, every time.
"leaders at this point in the election are 13-2."
Don't get me wrong I'm liberal too, but McCain was ahead just one week ago.
So leaders from a week ago are?
I guess everybody will shut the fuck up about Virginia.
Rasmussen out and McCain is ahead.
Also, ahead in Ohio and Florida. Too bad about Michigan.
This is where I got the 35-35-30 split:
Voice of the Midwest said...
If Rasmussen polls show MI +4, then take MI out of toss up and into blue for sure.
Their methodology is not as biased as it is faulty: they assume that each state registration balance is 35-35-30 and end polling when the balance is met depending on the size of the sample.
I am very sure that the spread between D and R registration in MN, WI, MI, and PA are 38-33-29 at minimum and Rasmussen should use those numbers. There are over 4 million new voters in all of those states unaccounted for, as well, under their methodology. LVs are only people who voted in '04.
Ras should be a little more open with their practices. When pressed, they claim client confidentiality. Their client is getting the numbers they want, I guess...
Did you guys see that Obama polls better than Hillary right now in PA?
It amazes me that Virginia, Colorado, and even Indiana continue to be better pickup opportunities for Obama than Ohio at this point.
I think Obama, Biden and Hillary Clinton could spend 4 years in Ohio and it would still be tied - and McCain wins once the NRA runs an ad.
Obam's up +6 and +3 in two polls in Virginia released today. He's tied and down 3 in NC from yesterday and today. If the elction were held today Obama wins Virginia, sorry to burst your bubble.
Birth control pills be damned when you're an expert at pulling out on time, every time.
This post contains sexual contetnt. Reader discresion is advised.
Precum, Mule. It's all about the precum.
Any Colorado polling done recently or soon?
The MSM is really jonesing for a rust belt showdown.
Indiana is not a better pick up option for Obama than Ohio.
Woo got 12 points off.
I got 8 off (OH exact, Obama +3 in MI, PA exact, McCain +2 in VA, McCain +3 in FL).
Where's my intern?
Eric,
If Obama loses NC by less than 5 points, give me your address, and I'll personally send you a check for $1,000.
I'm going to try to move the debate somewhere else. Did I also see at Rasmussen that Al Franken is 1 point behind Coleman, 48-47? Maybe I have been watching "Trading Places" too much recently, but, seriously. Norm Coleman is a hell of a successful politician, especially given MN's slight leftward leaning state. And he can't put away Al Franken? Seriously...
Mort said...
g.i. joe from pa:
"The Stealers suck. Roethlisberger = Massively Overrated."
Love it! I thought I'd get a bite on that one. Must be an Eagles fan. That's cool...congrats.
Though, I would take Roethlisberger and all his suckiness winning Super Bowls than McNabb putting up big Fantasy numbers, all the way up until the playoffs.
Got to go home to the other job.
Cheers!
jack black said...
I guess everybody will shut the fuck up about Virginia.
Rasmussen out and McCain is ahead.
Except, you know, those two other polls today showing Obama ahead 3 and 6 points. Take away Rasmussen's house effect and VA is tied. Rasmussen isn't the end all be all of polling. You should know this since you stopped quoting his 2004 daily numbers.
New ad out now in Virginia, Ohio and Penn.
The announcer's name is Jack Smith:
My name is Jack Smith and I was born and raised in Bristol. VA. I have been hunting and fishing and worshiping my whole life in these parts.
Barack Obama accused me of clinging to my bible because I am bitter; what Christian would accuse another Christian of clinging to his bible.
Who is Barack Hussein Obama and is he really a Christian?
I'm Jack Black and I approve of this message.
Mason,
Agreed. You have to be careful...but a little seepage is not a full-blown wad. I'll take my chances.
So I hear no one talking about the New Hampshire +2 M poll. I checked out its internals. Here's what I found:
Out of 550 randomly sampled adults, the subsample of 523 likely November voters broke down as follows:
REGISTERED DEMOCRAT 24%
REGISTERED INDEPENDENT 41%
REGISTERED REPUBLICAN 31%
A +7 Republican party advantage is used, and McCain was only up by 2? Nice.
"This post contains sexual contetnt. Reader discresion is advised.
Precum, Mule. It's all about the precum."
I precum like an elephant in a nature video, I swear to god. Hmm, forget I said that everyone.
@ Vanessa - Didn't see that about PA. Do you have a link?
I precum like an elephant in a nature video
Whoa...now there's an unpleasant image etched onto my retina.
Tito,
Right you keep believing that there is a Rep. lean to Rasmussen; do you want me to quote what you left wing nuts said about SUSA when it had McCain up 20 in NC.
Ras. had VA tied last time, now McCain is up 2, but he is up!
By the way, I did post RAs's numbers today.
"I'm going to try to move the debate somewhere else. Did I also see at Rasmussen that Al Franken is 1 point behind Coleman, 48-47? Maybe I have been watching "Trading Places" too much recently, but, seriously. Norm Coleman is a hell of a successful politician, especially given MN's slight leftward leaning state. And he can't put away Al Franken? Seriously..."
Um...Coleman is only a senator today because his competition 6 years ago died in an airplace crash????!!! Oh yeah, thats correct.
Minnesota elected Jesse "the Body", why not Al Franken?
Agreed. You have to be careful...but a little seepage is not a full-blown wad. I'll take my chances.
Yikes. Not me. Two generations of multiple planned one-shot, one-kills, and the lady was born long after her mother should have been barren. Better living through chemistry.
I actually think Frankin is gonna win handily, and all the polls are gonna be way off. Lots of stoners would love a comedian senator.
New thread.
jack black said...
Tito,
Right you keep believing that there is a Rep. lean to Rasmussen...
It's not a matter of believe. It's a proven fact by how he constantly re-weights his polls to lean Republican when Obama's pulling ahead. He's in the tank for McCain because he doesn't want to give up his sweet high-profile Fox deal.
Hello,
Two polls came out in Vriginia today that have Obama up 6 and 3 points and you're reassured by a
+2M Ras poll? Virginia is probably about in line with the rest of the country right now, Obama +3-4. Tim Kaine's voters + more AA.
"I'm feeling better about VA now."
That's because you're an idiot. LOL.
http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pdf/gsp2008_fall_nhpres92208.pdf
University of New Hampshire interviewed 513 people over an 8 day period. I wonder if 1 teacher's assistant called all day and that was their poll. Anyway, it's got McCain up 2. Interesting. Colorado-NH= tie 269-269 right?
"Now the media is all [Wolf Blitzer Monotone]IT AAAAAAALLLL COMES DOWNNN TO PENNNNNNNSYYYYYYLVANIA![/Wolf Blitzer Monotone]"
Are they really? Man, they're more clueless than I thought... I mean, not Colorado, not Ohio, not Florida, not Michigan, but Pennsylvania? But I guess it isn't a story if it's the same states all the time...
I'm reassured because it means VA is a tossup instead of lean Obama. If Ras had Obama up, even +1, in addition to those two other polls, it would have meant it became lean Obama.
Jack Black, if that ad is real I hope the guy gets an attorney cause he's gonna get sued for libel.
I just read the whole study and I have a question. Doesn't it show that you increase the propensity of the voter to vote for ALL voters, not just the one you support? So if you knock on Republican and Democrat doors as I did yesterday, you're not having any overall impact.
Sorry for the double post but I want visibility.
This hasn't made any sense to me.
Instead of complaining about people who only come in to buy yard signs, why not use the yard signs as a fundraising tool? Double the price. The demand curve is so steep that it'll hardly make a difference, plus there's a shortage now. Charge ten or fifteen dollars for a sign that cost one dollar to print.
At least that way the volunteers who actually want to contribute to the cause -- those knocking on doors -- get all the support they can get.
Also -- that silly 12-1 statistic. Please. That's for local elections where name recognition is like 25%. Name recognition is 100% in this election and most people have formed opinions. That 12 knocks sends another voter to the polls statistic is like 15, maybe 18, at the least in this election.
Groupthink sucks. Don't give into it.
axmxz found that the NH +2 McCain poll had internals of Dem. 24%, Rep. 31% and Ind. 41%.
That can be corrected to the actual registration numbers on 8/18/08, per the NH Sec. of State's office:
Dem. 263,217 (30.5%)
Rep. 268,108 (31.0%)
Ind. 332,217 (38.5%)
Tot. 863,542 (100.0%)
Republicans have a 0.5% party ID advantage, not 7%.
What were the internals again?
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