Rumors of the demise of John McCain's Colorado ground game are greatly exaggerated.
Though we had problems finding open McCain/Republican Party offices this weekend on the Western Slope, here in Colorado Springs we had no such troubles. Most well-known for being the home of the Air Force Academy and headquarters of Focus on the Family, this is the heart of the Republican Party's social and religious conservative base, and Sarah Palin has done wonders for the McCain ground game.
El Paso County, Colorado is a big red force that John McCain will count on this November, both for votes and for the engine of his statewide phonebanking. El Paso represented 11.2% of the statewide vote in 2000 and 11.3% in 2004, and its vote total grew from 200,747 to 241,788. Both years were blowouts, with George Bush more than doubling his Democratic opponent in each election.
Jane Neary, an enthusiastic and friendly full-time volunteer for McCain in Colorado Springs, has seen her share of election cycles. She volunteered heavily in 2000 and 2004, and told us that on some days prior to the announcement of Sarah Palin as VP, "you could hear a pin drop" in the office. Afterward, according to Jane, there has been an explosion of help and full phonebanks every day. Indeed, during our unannounced visit, the offices were packed with volunteers, mostly women calling into other counties around the state.
After fielding two calls for yard signs that interrupted our conversation, Jane spontaneously offered that most people call or drop by only for a yard sign which of course the office does not have (the McCain team is apparently trying to win the election too). As a de facto office manager, Jane bears the brunt of the upset reaction to an empty yard sign cupboard, and hears constantly how Obama has more yard signs up on the caller or drop-in's street. We saw a long list of names and numbers of folks who had signed up to be contacted when yard signs came in. Sympathetically, I chuckled and mentioned there was something Jane ought to read.
This brought into the conversation another volunteer, Maeta Emmons, who today was volunteering for the first time this cycle. Sarah Palin's selection did it for her. She had supported Mitt Romney in the primary, but told us that the Palin pick emotionally connected in a much broader way with so many of her friends and neighbors in a way that Romney added to the ticket would not have done. Both she and her husband, a veteran who does phonebanking to other veterans, are now fully on board the volunteer effort.
Meanwhile, though we were eager to spend today heavily covering Republican operations given our striking out this weekend, we didn't ignore the Democrats. We stopped into both Obama's Castle Rock and Colorado Springs offices, the latter of which has been open since June and is as robust an operation as we've seen in Nevada, New Mexico, or elsewhere in Colorado.
We met Robert Samuelson, a middle-aged Obama volunteer, who has been spending his days registering voters. A whiteboard in the Obama office listed different volunteers and their total numbers of registrations earned. 100 gets you a free T-shirt, and most names had earned somewhere between 25 and 80 toward that goal. Robert had 341, not including the 12 new ones he'd returned with moments after we arrived. (He doesn't care about the shirts.) He's lived here 15 years and hasn't seen any Democratic presence like this one. He told us a friend of his had been here 30 years but had never seen s Democratic presidential office in Colorado Springs.
Steve Meyer, a retired Air Force Major and former political science professor who taught for 10 years at the Academy and specialized in electoral politics, told us that Obama's presence compared to past Democratic presidential campaigns was "night and day." Meyer volunteers essentially every day organizer hours, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Also a former intelligence officer, Meyer is a volunteer phone bank captain near the Skyway and Broadmoor areas.
He told us that the goal for Obama has to be to get near 40% in Colorado Springs. One of the McCain volunteers had mentioned that McCain had exhorted the Colorado Springs base during a visit to help him win by 100,000 votes (Bush beat Kerry by 83,713 and Gore by 66,495 and near identical ratios). Meyer pointed out that if Obama could improve on Kerry's 32% (Gore got just under 31% in a year when Nader got 3.5% here) and get into the 40% territory, Obama would probably win Colorado.
Neither Obama nor McCain can afford to fail to rack up big cushions in their respective base areas: Colorado Springs for McCain and Boulder (where we'll be part of Tuesday) for Obama. McCain has more room for error, given that Republicans start with an advantage in the state, but not all that much.
What we learned today was that John McCain does indeed have a ground game presence in Colorado, with large phone banks every weeknight. Their 11 offices are mostly situated on the Front Range, but they phone bank into the entire state from their volunteer strongholds. And as we've seen elsewhere along our journey, Barack Obama is doing unprecedented work on his Colorado ground game, even in hostile territory.
A housekeeping note -- some folks are confused as to who is where with what email address, because we get a lot of it erroneously addressed. Email to Sean Quinn -- pocket99s at gmail. I'm on the road doing this battleground ground game series with Brett Marty -- brett538 at gmail -- and he is responsible for the original photography you see in these reports. We're looking forward to seeing many of you on the road and on-site at the debates. We keep Nate -- 538dotcom at gmail -- back on lockdown in Chicago because we can't afford to risk him as a field casualty. Just as the Vietnamese love interest told John Rambo in First Blood, Part II before being tragically mowed down, Nate's not expendable. His giant brain also tends to scare small children and the elderly.



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His giant brain scares Joe Morgan as well.
Gogo 40% !!
If McCain is forced to defend the turf of Colorado Springs at the turn of September/October in Colorado, then the polling is not off statewide.
Getting the base out is important. However, you should have it locked in by late September.
The magic number for McCain in Colorado and El Paso County is 217,500. If he gets above that number there, he wins statewide. If he gets below 200,000, Obama wins the state by 4 to 5 points.
Y'all are funny and damn good at what you do. Keep up the good work!
Cheers from Washington (Not a swing state despite what John Elway loves to deny).
Good stuff Sean. Loving these field reports and the photographs are top notch.
The chance of Obama winning 40% of El Paso county is about the same as me jumping off the CN Tower in Toronto and still being alive after impact.
Hey, anyone know where I can find an Obama yard sign? ;)
Obama knows he'll have to work for CO. I'd expect them to start pouring more resources into the state soon. It and VA are king-makers this season.
Pollster.com changes North Carolina to "toss up". One of the big stories of this election may be Obama's strength in the mid-atlantic states - Virginia and the Carolinas. These are the states where he substantially outperformed the pre-election polls on election day during the primaries.
Colorado Springs is beautiful, I stopped many times (visiting relatives )on the way to northern California from South Carolina.There, I went to visit New Life Church the mega church (10,000 members)which became famous because of the pastor who turned to be gay.
These fundamental Christians are such hypocrites.
@VOTM - "Should" is one of the most dangerous words in politics. It must have been difficult to lock up Colorado Springs for McCain when Pastor Dobson was openly hostile to McCain in February 08.
(Note: the link above links to WorldNetDaily.)
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you personally. As a right-leaning voice here, I appreciate your comments. But the data leads me to bring up that link.
Good stuff about Colorado.
@ Niedda - Ted Haggard? I like a little snark now and then, but I have nothing but mercy for Ted. Poor guy.
"The chance of Obama winning 40% of El Paso county is about the same as me jumping off the CN Tower in Toronto and still being alive after impact."
40% in El Paso County would be a statewide landslide for Obama. It isn't what they are aiming for in El Paso County. 35% would be a win here for Obama.
37.5% is the ceiling. When Denver and other Democratic strongholds are getting 5% to 10% increased turnout due to registration, that covers the losses in Colorado Springs in volume.
2004 Results for El Paso County
Bush - 161,361 - 67%
Kerry - 77,648 - 32%
All Others - 3,311 - 1%
Looks like if Obama hits 35%, that would be a win.
Nate's giant brain scares me too.
Thanks for all the wonderful work you guys do. I love reading these field reports. I do field work for the O campaign in WI and it is helpful to get a glimpse of what is happening on the ground out west.
The Yard Sign post was one of the best pieces I've read during this campaign.
forty-
What part of WI are you in? I'm in Janesville and have a friend who works for Doyle in Madison.
@ Jersey - HA! HA! HA! I just got it. Computers caused Enron, too!
@the real mike is back
Yes Ted Haggard, he was the main pastor of the New Life Church right next to the Focus in The Family Institute, founded by (bigoted) Dobson.
These relatives of mine have Master's degree education and still vote repubican, go figure....
Obama just yesterday opened another 12 offices in Colorado.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/jennprosser/gGgY9t
Bush's margin of victory in El Paso county in 2004 was 83,713 votes.
In Colorado as a whole it was 99,523 votes. So El Paso represented 84% of Bush's winning margin.
New ARG poll. Obama lead by 4 in PA (50-46).
... and the model has an 80% probability of Obama winning the state? Get real ...
"These fundamental Christians are such hypocrites."
Why do you say that. Is it because they continue to sin?
Barack HUSSEIN Obama will never win Colorado. No way they will vote for an inexperiened Muslim communist with ties to terrorist and anti-Americans.
McCain/Pallen 08
When does the money info come out (the amount that each campaign had donated to them in August)? Usually gets revealed on the 23rd.
Matthew H -
Didn't Obama announce his total already? 66 million?
Pay no attention to the sockpuppet troll who cannot spell.
"Barack HUSSEIN Obama will never win Colorado. No way they will vote for an inexperiened Muslim communist with ties to terrorist and anti-Americans."
Save your breath pal, we're all very high information voters who understand the mathematics behind the models and we aren't swayed in the least by empty lie and/or rhetoric. Go preach at your church or something, you might find empty vessels willing to suck from your tit of lies.
I wonder f Colorado Springs would protest if we transplant it to Utah
16 hours a day, 7 days a week? For free? I don't want Obama to win that badly :)
@ the real mike:
The fact that you not only got that but referenced the Enron joke has earned you my everlasting respect. Statgeek power.
I believe CO was also one of the states Rove and Co. inserted a referendum to get out the religious right in the state (gay marriage?) in 2004.
Consider there is no red herring on the ballot, consider the relative lack of enthusiasm in the religious right for McCain, and counter that with massive registrations by Obama and a ground game unparalleled for a Democratic candidate in CO since forever and an 84,000 majority for a now unpopular Bush makes Colorado a very real prospect for Obama.
Udall's candidacy for Senate may be another factor to Obama's benefit in CO, too.
Sean - Are there any market bleedovers for TV ads between CO and NM? That would make a generic Udall commercial very tempting. ; )
There's an obvious response to the people who call/visit and are upset about the lack of yard signs and the balance in their neighborhood.
"If you'd like to help the campaign and address the yard sign imbalance in your neighborhood, go over to your neighbor's house, knock on their door, and convince them that McCain is the better choice and that they should take down their sign."
A bit off topic here but sheesh, did George Will rip McCain a new one. Obama was right, McCain doesn't have the judgment or the temperament for being the POTUS.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html
As someone who has faught in Iraq for your freedom, limp-wristed liberals, and won 2 bronze medals for bravery and coming under intense fire in the AnBar Providence, I am voting for a TRUE AMERICAN HERO and FELLOW COMBAT BROTHER IN ARMS John Sydney McCain.
If you respect our military and love our troops and love this country, you will vote for McCAin. If you hate America, then vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
The choice is yours.
McCAin/Pallen 08
Pallen/Keyes 12
"16 hours a day, 7 days a week? For free? I don't want Obama to win that badly :)"
Yeah me either. That would SERIOUSLY cut into my sitting around time.
Has anyone noticed Yahoo seems to be biased toward McCain. New Headline everyday, Whites won't vote for Obama, then today Clinton voters won't vote for Obama, all this while he's ahead by 3-5 points in the polls. Is someone trying to convince white people or Clinton voters it's okay to not vote for Obama because t here's lots of people just like you.
I really appreciate these "from the front line" reports. It should be interesting to see how much effect on countywide numbers Obama's efforts in hostile territory make, and very useful for future candidates from both sides in assessing where to put resources in the 12/16 races.
I hope 538 is planning several months of breakdowns on the election after Nov 4th.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/
new polling above.
Obama up 2 nationally
4 in PA
11 in OR
shadowguidex said...
we're all very high information voters who understand the mathematics behind the models ...
Would love to know your age, occupation, and education.
My guess:
28
Programmer
B.A. Computer Science - San Jose State
@ he:
You're misspelling the name of McCain's running mate. If you can figure out the right spelling, you get a cookie.
"As someone who has faught in Iraq for your freedom, limp-wristed liberals, and won 2 bronze medals for bravery and coming under intense fire in the AnBar Providence, I am voting for a TRUE AMERICAN HERO and FELLOW COMBAT BROTHER IN ARMS John Sydney McCain."
They're called Bronze Stars.
"A bit off topic here but sheesh, did George Will rip McCain a new one. Obama was right, McCain doesn't have the judgment or the temperament for being the POTUS"
HA. GEORGE WILL!! We don't care about George Will's extreme left philosophy or his socialist attitudes in these here parts, uh-yup!! [/sarcasm]
Is it true that the Palin/McCain GOTV foot soldiers will be carrying campaign literature and extra bibles?
Thanks for another brilliant report.
I suspect that after the election is over, and the chads have cleared, pundits will look back and say the registration and GOTV drives were determinative. And only 538 dot com is covering ground zero. As well as everything else. Amazing effort, guys.
Anyone have any thoughts of what will become of Tim Kaine when his term runs out in VA? No open Senate seats. Nowehere for him to go it seems.
Scott, you're wrong. He actually finished 3rd in the Olympic Bravery competition twice.
Whats up with Ohio and Nevada, not a single poll in recent days with Obama in the lead and yet here on 538 he is winning both. I thought I understood the trends and regression on here, but it is all very bizzre now. The national polls are tightening and the state ones show McCain in the lead,I guess I do not understand the trend adjusted number. I thought trend adjustment was just for a period between a polls release and the next poll to adjust it to the national trend. But with daily polls now, it would seem trend adjustment is not only unneccessary but counterproductive, as it tracks backwards to find trends, in other words todays polls are being adjusted for the trend last week. Does not really work for coming up with a current state of the race when there is this much volatility in a few day period.
"Has anyone noticed Yahoo seems to be biased toward McCain. New Headline everyday, Whites won't vote for Obama, then today Clinton voters won't vote for Obama"
There is a concerted effort going on to change the topic of watercooler conversation away from the economy and onto race. I don't think it's yahoo. It's the AP.
@He
Your quote below said
"If you respect our military and love our troops and love this country, you will vote for McCAin. If you hate America, then vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama."
You fought to defend the liberties America was founded on. Your quote above contradicts the reasons why you've fought for OUR country.
I'm sick and tired of this republican bull-shit of fake patriotism.
I bet one of you know the answer to this. What time does the gallup tracker usually get updated on their website?
"shadowguidex said...
we're all very high information voters who understand the mathematics behind the models ...
Would love to know your age, occupation, and education.
My guess:
28
Programmer
B.A. Computer Science - San Jose State"
Actual results:
30
Former Enlisted Military Intelligence (4th Cavalry) / Perl Programmer
B.A. Mathematics - Wisconsin
Gallup usually updates at 1 p.m. eastern
FiveThirtyEight: Electoral Projections Done LEFT
The day that Nate did a "few tweaks" to his model which resulted in a >25% swing towards the projected win of his preferred candidate is the day this site lost all credibility.
It's too bad, it used to be a great site, but now it has been destroyed.
thanks
"As someone who has faught in Iraq for your freedom"
Don't know whose freedom you were fighting for, but it wasn't mine. Mine wasn't even in danger.
oops, thats supposed by be B.S Mathematics. What I get for backspacing halfassed.
I know it's been a couple of minutes since I told you how much more intelligent I am than you so I thought I'd reiterate the point so you don't forget. Only a racist would oppose Obama. It's impossible to have policy disagreements with him due to his wisdom and experience. And don't give me that "this is a center-right country so it doesn't elect liberals" crap. Obama isn't a liberal. He is actually fairly conservative on most issues: abortion, gun control, taxes, affirmative action, you name it. He compares most closely with Reagan as far as his governing philosophy, although it pains me to say it. Come to my blog where I have written the secrets of the universe and where my brilliance and superseding intellect is on display to find out more about Obama the Greatest Story Ever Told.
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If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #15688212276836063584, and my profile contains a link to my favorite web site http://www.democratingunderground.com/. Oh, and did I mention I have a blog?
niedda -
HE is a troll. Once he said he won two Bronze medals instead of Bronze Stars that was what gave him away...
"The day that Nate did a "few tweaks" to his model which resulted in a >25% swing towards the projected win of his preferred candidate is the day this site lost all credibility."
That's a lie. The tweak had an impact of only a few points. Under the old model, Obama would still be over 70%.
I know it's hard for conservatives not to lie, but a few of your brethren here have managed to pull it off.
From David's Brooks NYT piece today:
"We’re entering an era of the educated establishment, in which government acts to create a stable — and often oligarchic — framework for capitalist endeavor."
Let's hope so. Goddamn it would be nice if reality conspired to reward competence instead of greed.
The photographs have been gorgeous!
He said...
As someone who has faught in Iraq for your freedom, limp-wristed liberals, and won 2 bronze medals for bravery and coming under intense fire in the AnBar Providence, I am voting for a TRUE AMERICAN HERO and FELLOW COMBAT BROTHER IN ARMS John Sydney McCain.
If you respect our military and love our troops and love this country, you will vote for McCAin. If you hate America, then vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
----------------------------------
Yup, we've heard this shit before. Republicans are American loving patriots and democrats are American hating cowards. Unfortunately for you, that shit doesn't work anymore.
And oh yeah,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
WOW!!! WOW!!!!!
George Will's article today is getting so much play and it is one of the absolute most read articles!!
BY CONSERVATIVES!!
Conservative men are beginning to agree with George that while has great credentials as a POW, McCain does NOT have the temperament to be President!!!
IT"S ALL about Temperament!!!
HE is a troll. Once he said he won two Bronze medals instead of Bronze Stars that was what gave him away...
Maybe he's a troll of olympic caliber.
Are you guys going down south to Pueblo, or are you bypassing that part of the state?
Eric,
Here is some speculation from a July post about Kaine, noting he may want to hitch his star to a job in the Obama administration or consider a stint as DNC chairman.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/07/raising-kaine.html
Don't you know there are no dangerous people in the world? If we could all just talk through our problems everything would be fine. Iraq was never a threat to anybody. They never, ever used WMDs on Iran or their own people. Saddam Hussein never executed his own people and then charged the family for the bullets. He was just misunderstood. I hoped that Dan Rather would be able to talk sense into him when he visited him in Baghdad back in 2003 but it wasn't meant to be. I think Dan got sidetracked with trying to find fake National Guard documents and was no longer able to encourage Hussein to do the right thing. So you soldiers get no thanks from me. Jane Fonda was right.
Hey, I was pretty close ...
I've been busy for a while, not posting here, but I'm going to hop back in:
The ground game is a terrible fall-back, but given Obama's primary success (combined with his 1.5 million people in text-message contact), I think it's the variable least predictable from Nate's model.
At this point in time, I'd take 1:1 odds on 300+ EV and 2:1 on 330+ EV.
Bush won 2004 because of turnout in Ohio. They know this, and thus I agree that Palin was, no matter what happens, necessary to try to revive that power.
On other news, it's humbling to see Obama blasting McCain for owning foreign cars in Michigan. Can't win them all. Also, Obama says health care, education etc. may have to be "phased in" because of the $700 billion bailout. Or it simply shows that we have money to do whatever we want, given political will. At least he has promised to keep cutting taxes! Long live democracy!
Right on, Nate. Have a great time in Boulder. Too bad you're only spending part of the day here. This is a nice place to recharge.
Wave to us here in Westminster as you pass through! There's a lot of ground game going on in Jefferson County.
"They never, ever used WMDs on Iran or their own people. Saddam Hussein never executed his own people and then charged the family for the bullets"
Wait, so was he a danger to us or Iranians and Iraqis?
I'm confused again.
Why can you guys do this, and the MSM can't even get basic facts correct?
Great work!
Stop trying to make it seem like all patriotic soldiers/sailors/marines are all flag carrying Republicans, douchebag. Many of us serve because we value the rights set out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights...not to get a bad pilot elected. I don't see anybody protesting soliders or spitting in our faces back home, so don't try and paint dems like that shit. This ain't Vietnam.
Don't even think of questioning Obama's patriotism. Who cares if he won't salute the flag, or that his wife hates this country. He considered joining the military when he was younger for at least a few seconds. That should satisfy you. Quit questioning the Enlightened One, Obama May His Peace Be Upon You. You Rethuglicans no longer have the corner on patriotism. We progressives show our patriotism by hating this country and blaming her first for every evil in this world.
"or spitting in our faces back home"
That didn't really happen all that much coming home from Vietnam, either. Urban legend.
Eric, who was making an actual point, mentioned Tim Kaine. I don't think Jim Webb stays in the Senate forever, but I could be wrong. It also depends, somewhat, on who the next President is. If running for President is a goal, he's got options to go there.
Nate has said the whole time that the trendline would matter more and more the closer we got to election day. That hasn't changed. The fact that one day about a week ago, he uploaded a lot of new data in changed the math. Lots of new state polls along with the almost 10-point swing last week is what did it. There's no question that this country is polarized and it's much harder to hold onto a 5 point lead and push it out to 10 points than it is for the number to gravitate back to the center and have a close to even race. This is the only argument you could make against the %s on this site. It's a good argument, but if you use pure technicals and statistics Obama would probably win 70% of the time or so at this point. Virtually all of the swing states tip in his favor right now. A good argument would be that this election is likely to be close to even again, not continue the Obama trend forward. That would account for some of Obama's 74.4% win %, but not that much, he's still at least 65% to win, unless the debates are unanimous for McCain.
New Quinnipiac polls out today:
* Colorado: Obama leads 49 - 45 percent, compared to 47 percent for McCain and 46 percent for Obama August 24;
* Michigan: Obama tops McCain 48 - 44 percent, compared to 46 - 42 percent July 24;
* Minnesota: Obama leads 47 - 45 percent, compared to 46 - 44 percent July 24;
* Wisconsin: Obama leads McCain 49 - 42 percent, compared to 50 - 39 percent July 24.
Save your breath pal, we're all very high information voters who understand the mathematics behind the models and we aren't swayed in the least by empty lie and/or rhetoric. Go preach at your church or something, you might find empty vessels willing to suck from your tit of lies.
Usually I'd correct someone for asking the conservatrolls to save their breath, but I'm pretty sure this racist FReeptard was mouthing these words as he was typing them.
Here's the link to George Will's extremely critical editorial on John McCain. I got an inkling of his feelings on This Week on Sunday, but he really rips into the guy here.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/mccains_temperment_fails_again.html
Brand New National Poll:
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 43%
Take THAT PeteKent!
The sap rises even in Kentucky. In the hallway of the UK Chandler Hospital, there are volunteers registering voters, and at least one nurse is collecting cards and taking them to patients. Officially, of course, nonpartisan. But the volunteer I thanked for being there said "Yes, we're hoping for a big surge among young people," and I'm pretty sure I profiled the nurse right in a single glance.
The short-term payoff is probably only in House races: Jon Yarmuth becomes a secure incumbent from Louisville, Ben Chandler from Lexington becomes a secure incumbent who does not have to be quite as far right as he started out, and maybe, just maybe David Boswell turns KY-2 (west-central) Democratic.
Long-term, the chances of shaking Bunning out of the Senate in 2010 and backing incumbent-Obama in 2012 may be growing.
shadowguidex-
Well they do spit on soldiers in Berkley. And in other progressive strongholds. And if we're being honest Democrats we know that up in Washington they physically tried to stop the military's machines of destruction from embarking upon transport ships. And yes, in many urban areas the military recruiters are banned and shunned and soldiers and sailors are at risk for any number of slanders and hatespeak. Shoot, even Democratic Congressman John Murtha has pointed out how guilty our soldiers are and how they should be hated and shunned. But other than those things, we Progressives are just as patriotic as the Conservatives who support their country through thick and thin even when there is a president they don't agree with.
There's a little market bleedover, but we're talking translators of stations in Albuquerque going into northern NM and extreme southern CO (as far as Pueblo, maybe) and maybe vice-versa for the Denver/Colorado Springs stations. I think you pretty much have to advertise in both Albuquerque and Denver, though, and not count on any bleedover, unless you're trying to run radio ads during Broncos games or something.
Errrr Deadpixel, who is that poll from and do you have a link?
The American military complex has become a huge welfare system with a budget of 720 billions of tax payers money.
While 50 million Americans cant afford health care, because of very low military budgets,Western European countries (the ones protected by the US military)enjoy an excellent universal health and dental care system, free university, and a generous pension system.
From an American living in France.
Oh those are the R2000 numbers. Nice enough but I'd rather it was a different new poll.
hijadelsol79 said:
"On other news, it's humbling to see Obama blasting McCain for owning foreign cars in Michigan."
The ad, while definitely lol-worthy, isn't blasting McCain for *owning* foreign cars. Rather for *lying* about "buying American literally [his] whole life."
It's from ARG. It's national and it's on TPM's website
George Will is going to change this election! He hates McCain as I said above. I know some of your conservative trolls will say that he's just part of the Rethuglican establishment that feel threatened by a true Maverick Due like McCain-Palin but I tell you most Rethugs will vote for whoever Will tells them to. And now that he has told them that McCain plans to nuke Brazil they will run screaming from McCain to the moderate Obama. I would hate to be a Rethug today.
Where are all the racial articles coming from. All of a sudden there are columnists speaking about "Obama's race problem" like its a new development.
Who woulda thunk a black man would have some problems in certain areas of the country with racism.
Give me a break.
The latest Biden gaffe. From an interview with Katie Coric.
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here’s what happened.’”
My question is, who is more ignorant? Biden for saying it or Coric for not realizing the inanity of his remarks.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/
You misread. It's actually 48-46 Obama.
The poll is from a combined Daily Kos/Democratic Underground/Moveon.org polling company named "Pushpoll, Inc". They also have state polls showing that Obama is winning in 56 of the 57 states with the sole holdout being West Dakota. I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of this poll.
Oh, they also go by ARG which stands for "American Rage Generators".
That last one was not the real me.
I guess I have crossed the 538 line of fame, now that someone is spoofing my username!
08
Sep 23
Hotline/Diageo
Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 43%
And it's lol-worthy because McCain's campaign lies continually about infinitely bigger issues. So an ad debunking McCain's imaginary loyalty to American car-makers is hilariously understated.
"My question is, who is more ignorant? "
People who think subtle wording "gaffes" are going to turn around an election, and people who think the American people aren't sick and tired of gotcha politics.
In this thread there is a fake Kennyb, a fake Deadpixel, and a fake Inkstain. Am I missing any?
I think the Palin bubble burst might account for as much of Obama's bump as the economic crisis. Fringe cnadidates always have passionate followings, see Ron Paul, Jesse Jackson, Pat Buchanon, Howard Dean. Yet, the swing voters have come to the relaization that Palin is what she is, which is not what they initially thought she might be. This makes those "ticket-splitters" as Mie Murphy calls them run faster away than they ran to Palin. Just a thought. I'm not arguing MCcain didn't need to find a way to rally the base. A Hail Mary is just that, but I think it may turn around to bite him in te end. The curtain has revealed the true Wizard of Oz and folks are not impressed.
The National ARG number is actually 48 O and 46 M still an improvement of 4 points from last week were the numbers were reversed in McCain favor.
Your work is always worth reading.
You teach this old dog a little something every time I stop by.
Thanks!
I think you got it Jersey. There's been a fake VC, a fake vanessa, and a couple others of all time.
Yes, there is a sockpuppet here. You can click on his profile to see who he's going to mimic next. First it was "matt j. h." then it was "kennyb" and now it seems to be "deadpixel"
His calling card seems to be a lack of Capital Letters
The flip side to what I said about Palin is if she turns around and massacres Biden in the debate that could really help McCain's cause
@ He:
"If you respect our military and love our troops and love this country, you will vote for McCAin"
Why?
What has he EVER done for Veterans?
Oh, and just what Unit were you posted to in AnBar "Providence" Is "AnBar Providence" some place in the Mid-West of USA?
Were you the cook or the guy who cleans the latrines?
Did you finish school yet? Perhaps you'd better finish your homework before you play on the internet.
Dickhead.
Gotta love Subterranean praising the fact we are becoming an Oligarchy rather than a Democratic nation.
Lets be certain to concentrate power and wealth in the liberal educated elite, and let them lead us into a more enlightened age, where capitalism no longer serves to capitalize on opportunity, but to serve the common good.
Hopefully Obama the Supreme Commander of this Oligarchy will bestow us with his beneficient rule, punishing those who seek to make a profit, and redistributing there wealth to the downtrodden.
Yeah for Oligarchy, no more need for constitution or democracy.
That last post was not by me. It was by the spoofer trying to call out various respected posters on this site and sow mistrust and concern about Obama's flailing campaign. McCain is on the march and they're trying to scare us.
This is a great piece of news. Apparently, Palin has banned reporters from her meetings with world leaders and is only permitting camera crews. This is not a surprise as we know the sole purpose of the exercise is to produce pretty pictures to burnish her laughable foreign policy credentials.
Except that the news organisations are now so pissed with the continuing refusal of the Palin camp to allow any form of scrutiny that they have decided to pull the cameras and have left her with no publicity for her stunt.
Cue more hysterics from Schmidt the bald cunt.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26853766/
@Eric Yes, I have noticed the red shift on Yahoo headlines, but not so much more than the MSM. Still, hate to see Y go mainstream. Maybe billionaires tend to see things through red eyes.
"Barack HUSSEIN Obama will never win Colorado. No way they will vote for an inexperiened Muslim communist with ties to terrorist and anti-Americans."
A Muslim and a communist? Communists are mostly atheists, retard.
Apparently, Palin has banned reporters from her meetings with world leaders and is only permitting camera crews.
Palin is meeting with world leaders now? Science, help us...
....and THAT post about "McCain is on the march" was not by me.
For proof, my profile lists my rather awful baseball blog.
Eric said...
Has anyone noticed Yahoo seems to be biased toward McCain. New Headline everyday, Whites won't vote for Obama, then today Clinton voters won't vote for Obama, all this while he's ahead by 3-5 points in the polls. Is someone trying to convince white people or Clinton voters it's okay to not vote for Obama because t here's lots of people just like you.
Yahoo, AP (Ron Fournier & Liz Sidoti), Mark Halperin, MSNBC's David Gregory, Wolf Blitzkrieg, Dana Bash and John King at CNN, Gibson and Steph at ABC, Bob Shieffer and Tom Brokaw are all on the shitlist, along with FOX News.
Have I missed anyone?
Inky,
This is more than a gaffe. Biden telling the guy to stand up who was paralyzed is a gaffe. No biggy, maybe 5 minutes of talking points.
A statement such as what I quoted are, it demonstrates either great ignorance or willful lying. Neither one are very desirable traits.
Can any of the Obama people state a policy position of his and cogently argue its merits? Take for example his healthcare plan ... I think we all agree that it will insure more people but can any of you explain with any depth of knowledge how this will make a difference in the long run?
And of course, Scott Rasmussen.
Dear sockpuppet,
Don't you have a rock to crawl back under? Does your mom know you're using her computer to imitate intelligent adults?
Why can you guys do this, and the MSM can't even get basic facts correct?
Because they have no corporate masters.
"A statement such as what I quoted are, it demonstrates either great ignorance or willful lying. Neither one are very desirable traits."
Fair enough. That eliminates McCain, who both admits to be ignorant on the economy and can't go a whole day without lying.
So it's between Obama and Palin?
I think Biden needs to be restrained, he making to many gaffes lately.
I think the real winner today -- the day on which Hank and Ben (and Chris) are testifying before congress -- is that Drudge has as his _massive_ headline: "Biden: Obama Ad Mocking McCain 'Terrible'."
He obviously sees Obama's writing on the wall. Apparently he's panicking too: and I daresay, I doubt he's gonna control at least this news cycle.
Too bad, Mattyboy. You're not as powerful as you think. We've got $700 billion to burn!
A statement such as what I quoted are, it demonstrates either great ignorance or willful lying. Neither one are very desirable traits.
But what if you are Republican? Isn't it OK then?
kennyb, I agree that it's not good news for McCain that George Will thinks he is unfit to be the president. Don't know how much that will move the voters.
I thought you might like to read this:
http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm=Core+Pages&type=gen&mod=Core+Pages&tier=3&gid=B33A5C6E2CF04C9596A3EF81822D9F8E
A Conservative for Obama
My party has slipped its moorings. It’s time for a true pragmatist to lead the country.
"THE MORE I LISTEN TO AND READ ABOUT “the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate,” the more I like him. Barack Obama strikes a chord with me like no political figure since Ronald Reagan. To explain why, I need to explain why I am a conservative and what it means to me.
In 1964, at the age of 16, I organized the Dallas County Youth for Goldwater. My senior thesis at the University of Texas was on the conservative intellectual revival in America. Twenty years later, I was invited by William F. Buckley Jr. to join the board of National Review. I later became its publisher."
read the whole thing for why he endorses Obama
The Republican Administration is force feeding World leaders of countries that will do anything for our support to at least shake the hand of who they say, especially when they're all at a site in NYC for what amounts to a convention. Countries like Afghanistan, Gerogia, and Colombia. Anyone here, gone to conventions for work where you meet a whole bunch of people? This is a political stunt that should be worth nothing. I'll grant Obama went overseas a couple months ago for dual purposes, but it wasn't a political stunt that was insincere like this game the Republicans are playing.
Eric said:
I think the Palin bubble burst might account for as much of Obama's bump as the economic crisis...
Was there even a Palin bubble to burst? I would love for Nate to re-apply the convention bump curve we voted off the site before, just so we could see what the curve looks like without the convention bump "noise".
"Can any of the Obama people state a policy position of his and cogently argue its merits? "
Sure. A tax increase for the upper class is absolutely necessary for moving toward a balancing budget. The U.S. has spent years borrowing and borrowing, and it's weakened the dollar and will only get worse as interest piles up. We can't afford to reduce spending in a dangerous world, so raising taxes on those who can afford it is the only viable solution, fair or not, given that supply-side economics has been a total flop in real-life trials.
Anyone who doesn't support Obama for any reason is a racist, religion-clinging, radical rightwing nutball. We all know that. If you are not in Obama's camp you are a crazy scum like Palin. Obama has like so much more experience than her. 143 days in the Senate before running for president is all anyone needs in times like this will a calm economy and no dangerous hotspots in the world. And Obama has run a huge campaign with like millions of dollars. He has the experience to run this nation, although he might have a hard time managing a McDonald's due to the fact that they are multi-million dollar operations as well.
By GEORGE!!!
George Will's article is rasing a lot of people's eyebrows!!
This is going to be many evening braodcasts!!
Temperament now is a potential debate topic!!
George Bush and his campaign staff in 2000 also said that McCain does NOT have the temperament to be President!!
BY GEORGE, we have this in writing NOW!!
George Will is consistent in his views. He's a true conservative and is justifiably outraged at the profligate spending and borrowing, not to mention the total neglect of responsibility of the Reps. How anyone can place any trust in any Rep at the national level is beyond me. They've been selling out Americans and stuffing their pockets with public funds since Reagan said, "Government is the problem", and set out to prove it.
"Why can you guys do this, and the MSM can't even get basic facts correct?
Because they have no corporate masters."
Basically, yes.
We aren't beholden to an idiotic public that has bought 30 years of dirty Republicans blaming everything on the liberal media, and we haven't seen a bad business model and greedy corporate owners slash our resources down to the bare minimum.
Oh, and the most important reasons is that most journalists just aren't that smart. Jouranlism departments at colleges swell their ranks with kids who were told by their high school guidance counselors that they were good at writing, which completely misses the point of journalism entirely.
If we were smart, we wouldn't have spent all that money on a degree in a dying field with substandard wages.
@InkStain
So you believe tax revenues increase with increased taxation ... any evidence to back this up?
Hi sockpuppet-
I see you've changed your name to mine already. This is a pre-emptive strike, little kid!!!!
Great, now the sockpuppet is imitating me telling him to "crawl back under a rock". What's that all about. I don't mind his participation in the discourse here as he adds a substantial amount of humor and useful insight. I would never tell someone to leave, as that's the kind of bullying tactic Obama has been accused of in his various elections and I would never support that.
Palin is less qualified than millions of folks. I'm not being sarcastic. She's bafflingly unqualified.
Any claim that McCain or the Republicans had to lord "patriotism" or "putting country first" over Democrats went out the window when McCain picked Palin.
He knew she was not qualified to be CiC. He picked her anyway because it helped HIM, regardless of what it would mean to the country.
McCain may have been a hero 40 years ago, but now he's a traitor.
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Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #10019303035321620019, and my profile contains a link to my blog, AABW.
BREAKING NEWS!!
newt Gingrich is apparently going to come out with an artcile also questioning McCain's temperament!!
Apparently George W Bush's dad, the former President is furious about McCain's call for SEC Cox to be fired!!
They are saying that McCain got all the funds the Bush's could raise for him and NOW that McCain's is now on Public Funds McCain is LOSING it- meaning losing his TEMPERAMENT!!!
bpulliam-
I don't need evidence. I have belief. I believe that Obama's tax plan will be the best. And I'm one of those Americans who actually mailed back the tax refunds that George W. Bush sent to me. I asked them to use the funds for more abortions. And you know which ethnic community has more abortions than any other. You do the math.
sockpuppet (imitating Shap) said:
Great, now the sockpuppet is imitating me telling him to "crawl back under a rock". What's that all about. I don't mind his participation in the discourse here as he adds a substantial amount of humor and useful insight. I would never tell someone to leave, as that's the kind of bullying tactic Obama has been accused of in his various elections and I would never support that.
Sockpuppet, I'm flattered that you would imitate me. However, I hear your mom calling you from the other side of your trailer-home. She says quit trying to earn McCainBucks and help her fix the rabbit ears on the TV!
"So you believe tax revenues increase with increased taxation ... any evidence to back this up?"
I have a pretty good evidence that lower taxes generally correlate to higher deficits:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
McCain is not a hero. Being shot down and a prisoner of war doesn't make someone a hero. It was a good deed for him to be willing to stay a prisoner of war, instead of come home when offered. I don't see that as heroic. He simply made the right choice.
quantman, where are you getting all this from?
InkStain said...
I don't need evidence. I have belief. I believe that Obama's tax plan will be the best. And I'm one of those Americans who actually mailed back the tax refunds that George W. Bush sent to me. I asked them to use the funds for more abortions. And you know which ethnic community has more abortions than any other. You do the math.
Yeah this seems to be about as deep as the conversation goes these days. Obama is not Bush ... yeah I get it, but not very compelling.
If you look at the internals of the polls, women are more heavily behind Obama than they were before the conventions. I believe Palin's bubble has exploded in McCain's face. She's a fringe candidate with a lean group of hardcore supporters and not much else. Tina Fey showed Americans what they didn't know they already knew. Game. Set. Match.
bpulliam, your InkStain quote (I don't need evidence...) is from the sockpuppet. The 11:33 am post is real.
Charles-
You are about to be sockpuppeted again.
BREAKING NEWS!!
newt Gingrich is apparently going to come out with an artcile also questioning McCain's temperament!!
Apparently George W Bush's dad, the former President is furious about McCain's call for SEC Cox to be fired!!
They are saying that McCain got all the funds the Bush's could raise for him and NOW that McCain's is now on Public Funds McCain is LOSING it- meaning losing his TEMPERAMENT!!!
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Wow, the Rethuglican establishment is coming out in mass against the Maverick. That will probably only help his chances with the moderates. This is actually a bad development for our side. But we all know that we're smarter than Conservatives. And I'm the smartest one of all.
Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #15688212276836063584, and my profile contains a link to my favorite web site http://www.communistpartyusa.com/. Oh, and did I mention I have a blog?
Charles M. Kozierok is next on the sockpuppet list.
Way to go CNN
NEW YORK - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has not held a press conference in nearly four weeks of campaigning, on Tuesday banned reporters from her first meetings with world leaders, allowing access only to photographers and a television crew.
CNN, which was providing the television coverage for news organizations, decided to pull its TV crew, effectively denying Palin the high visibility she had sought.
Way to go CNN, tell McCain and Schmidt to stick it up their "Country First" ass.
Were you guys commenting on Joe Biden's statment about eliminating Coal plants in America and shipping those jobs to China. Or was it some other gaffe I have not found yet.
Inky, Shap, others,
First off, it's still McCain v Obama. Obama does make his fair share of gaffes, it just doesn't get the same play in the media. For example much has been made of McCain mixing up Sunnis and Shiites.
Yet relatively little of Obama's gaffes, 57 states or not knowing that Arabic is not a commonly spoken language in Afghanistan, amongst others. Which BTW is just as much of a "gaffe" as the Sunni-Shiite mixup.
If I was a Dem , I would keep Biden away from the cameras. But I'm a Rep so keep him front and center. The comments about the computer ad, clean coal, etc. It hurts you guys. Helps my side, so thanks.
Charles-
I'm clearly pulling it out of my butt. Isn't it obvious? Newt Gingrich and all his Rethug cronies want Obama to become president.
I guess it kind of neutralizes the sockpuppet's game if we call him out before each fake post.
Next up, quantman....
great report. make sure you stop in the fort collins obama office. the difference between the obama office and kerry's office is night and day. organization, presence, message, commitment, etc., are all very impressive.
from the canvassing i've done thus far, seems the unaffiliateds are tilting the right way. other people experiencing the same?
Kennyb said...
bpulliam, your InkStain quote (I don't need evidence...) is from the sockpuppet. The 11:33 am post is real.
OK ... guess I have to read more carefully.
Kennyb said...
bpulliam, your InkStain quote (I don't need evidence...) is from the sockpuppet. The 11:33 am post is real.
OK ... guess I have to read more carefully.
Oooh. I'm next. Goody!
Matt: Yeah, but I think they eventually caved.
The whole "protecting poor miss Sarah" routine is a shameful disgrace.
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Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #10019303035321620019, and my profile contains a link to my blog, AABW.
kennyb-
prepare to be puppeted by a secret admirer...
I think I've figured out the sockpuppet. It is Charles. He has two different blogger accounts. I thought his outrageous act of being an arrogant butthole leftist commentator might be just to make us look bad and it is. Even his blog is a parody of Progressive issues. Get a clue, Charles. We're on to you.
15 minutes to Gallup! Prediction time! Currently it's O-48, M-44.
My prediction is: O-49, M-44.
The sock puppet's blogger ID begins 156882122...is there a way to report this person?
The AP is in the tank for McCain. I'll fully admit NBC is in the tank for Obama to counter FOX, but the AP. Come on. I guess there are no fair arbiters left. PBS and C-SPAN that's it. I would think the AP would try to stay neutral, but they don't anymore.
OK Inkstain, raise taxes to reduce the deficit. Do you not believe that this will reduce investment? Why just the rich?
Frankly, I'm disappointed in that one, sockpuppet. Oh well, off to make calls for the campaign.
So far, all I can tell about the sockpuppet is that she is a 12-year-old girl who may or may not have a crush on kennyb or charles k.
Gallup prediction:
O 48
M 45
McCain-Palin isn't a presidential campaign, it's a propaganda campaign.
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Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #10019303035321620019, and my profile contains a link to my blog, AABW.
kennyb-
prepare to be puppeted by a secret admirer...
Eww. Bad mental image on that one.
FWIW - an interesting tidbit:
September 23, 2008
'John McCain to hold first press conference as nominee'
posted: 11:20 AM ET
From CNN Correspondent Dana Bash
"Sen. John McCain will hold his first press conference as a nominee Tuesday afternoon.
(CNN) — John McCain will take a few questions from reporters Tuesday afternoon in Michigan — the first time he's had a press conference with traveling media in nearly six weeks, since August 13."
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sounds like panic might be setting in. when will the GOPers allow Sarah Quaylin to take unscripted Q's ??? [probably on November 5th]
I think it would be a great idea if somebody put together a political blog with a safe, well-moderated comments section that could accommodate the users of this site who have already bonded into a sense of community and clearly enjoy each other's company.
Such a blog, if well done, could continue beyond the election. It would provide an enterprising blogger with a ready-made community and lots of daily hits... and the rest of us with a place for entertaining political gossip and chatter.
It would cost Nate a lot of hits, of course...but I don't think he cares much about the "comments section". If he did, he would moderate it more carefully.
Filistro, I'm in the process of starting that.
Seriously guys? A +7 Obama day is rolling off, and a McCain +1 day is staying in the mix. Obama will lead by 1 today, if he is lucky.
Obama 47
McCain 46
Damn. When I review some of the threads, it looks like some of you are posting nearly 24/7...it's a shame that some of you likely eschew good hygiene just so you can come on here and make a political crack.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Anyone else notice that two national polls are moving to McCain. Also, notice that the Obama campaign is now in full implode. Biden is gaffing three times per day. Now he is criticizing his own campaign ads. Also, Obama is having to denounce his own running mates AIG position. I expect all of the polls to follow the Battleground poll showing McCain winning. Also Rass moved back to a tie today.
The comments section has turned to hell the last couple days. This site needs at least a rating system for commentators. A forum would be ideal.
bpulliam said...
@InkStain
So you believe tax revenues increase with increased taxation ... any evidence to back this up?
Yes... Trickle Down Economics has been globally discredited. see the links below or just google "Trickle Down Economics"
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/07/short-primer-on-mccainomics-versus.html
http://www.blogfabulous.com/top-down-v-bottom-up-economics-101/
Good analysis of fund raising in battleground counties.
Mostly in Obama's favor but there are signs of life for McCain as well.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26833397/
I thought the folks at TalkingPointsMemo did a fine job weeding out the trolls with user registration and what not. But that's somewhat expensive, I'm sure. Additionally, like at the end of The Sting, I expect that this place will be taken apart fast.
VCon, you're my hero.
Let me know where and when to sign up.
inkstain people time and time again that aggregate tax revenues go up when tax breaks are given.
How do you reconcile this to higher deficits?
Paygrade,
The coal statement is amongst the latest comments from gaffe machine Biden. I don't want to be a blog-hog so I won't go into deatil about every one of his gaffes.
35 years+ years in the Senate that's the experience we need. LOL.
If you can keep a secret, we actually landed on the moon during the Truman Admin.
PorridgeGun said...
Anyone who doesn't support Obama for any reason is a racist, religion-clinging, radical rightwing nutball. We all know that. If you are not in Obama's camp you are a crazy scum like Palin. Obama has like so much more experience than her. 143 days in the Senate before running for president is all anyone needs in times like this will a calm economy and no dangerous hotspots in the world. And Obama has run a huge campaign with like millions of dollars. He has the experience to run this nation, although he might have a hard time managing a McDonald's due to the fact that they are multi-million dollar operations as well.
That's not me, folks. For one thing, the grammar is better.
Damn. When I review some of the threads, it looks like some of you are posting nearly 24/7...it's a shame that some of you likely eschew good hygiene just so you can come on here and make a political crack.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Ruggedized waterproof laptops in the shower with wi-fi are the way to go.
Good point, Rafty. I'm not going to change it now. I thought the Obama +7 day stayed in the mix. Shit. ;-)
Count me out on further discussion. I'm likely nearing the end of my days as a poster...especially as we approach and get past November 4th.
"The choice is yours.
McCAin/Pallen 08
Pallen/Keyes 12 "
Thats awesome. Palin / Keyes 12?? I can't tell you how much I would love to see the Republicans with that ticket in 2012.
Sean, when you make it up here to Boulder, take a little bit of time and head up to Rocky Mountain National Park; a little slice of heaven, imho.
filistro: The grass is always greener. As someone who ran a discussion board similar in concept for four years, it's not all it's cracked up to be. At least here we don't have to worry about being censored.
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Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #10019303035321620019, and my profile contains a link to my blog, AABW.
I'll admit I thought it was quite funny when the sockpuppet was just spoofing the few Rethuglicans on this site. Now that he's doing both sides, however, it's just not funny. My brilliance is not something to be questioned, only accepted. And if he makes us focus on him instead of forwarding our agenda he will have won. Let's just keep talking Obama up all we can and no matter what poll comes out we'll say it's good for Obama. That's what is so great about Nate's site. It tells me that Obama will win no matter what AND how he bats in the bottom of the 9th with two runners on.
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Charles M. Kozierok
If you see someone post something stupid here using my name, it’s an imposter. Click the name to go to the person’s profile, and check the blogger ID in the address line: mine is #123456789987654321, and my profile contains a link to my blog, www.iamsmarterthanyou.com.
Gallup out early.
47-44 Obama
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110608/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Holds-3Point-Edge.aspx
I think it is:
M43
O47
Another 1 point dropoff. Not too bad, all things considered. Should stay there until the debates.
Mason,
I will miss you, though. You've stuck with me through thick and thin.
Uh oh, the sockpuppet found the 'Shift' key and is now capitalizing his fake names.
Make sure you click on the name of a post, if you're not sure it's the real one. There's a 12-year-old girl around here imitating her 'crushes'
Charles-
The only rules I'll have is no sockpuppetry and don't type in all caps.
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