The ABC News finding that Sarah Palin dramatically upped John McCain's support among white women is one I'm not entirely convinced by, mostly because other polling by the same agency shows Sarah Palin performing worse among women than she does among men. One needs to remember that the margins of error are much higher for subsamples of the data than for the poll as a whole. That's why I generally don't spend a lot of time focusing on the demographics in individual polls. If a poll is breaking out six or eight different demographic groups, and the margins of error on these subsamples are 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 points, then odds are that something is going to be out of alignment merely due to chance alone.
With that said, there is a subheadline in the ABC poll that I find both more interesting and more believable. Sarah Palin polls very well among women with children -- specifically white women with children, who give her an 80 percent favorability rating. In fact, it appears to me that Palin's high favorability ratings among women are entirely owing to her popularity among women with children. Roughly one-third of registered female voters should have children at home, which means that among white women without children, her favorability rating is around 60 percent -- still pretty decent, but barely different from the 58 percent she received in the poll overall.
So -- one is led to ask -- which state has the most moms? The table below ranks the 50 states, based on 2000 census data, by the percentage of residents aged 18 and up who are women with their own children living in the same household (WWC). States that are presently in the top 15 in our tipping point rankings are highlighted in a maternal purple.
This distribution is mostly a function of age: states with young populations like Utah and Texas rank toward the top, and states with older populations (meaning more women are post-menopausal), like Hawaii and Florida, rank toward the bottom. In general, the top of the list consists of red states; whether motherhood begets conservatism or conservatism begets motherhood, we will leave as an exercise for the reader (my guess is the former). Among the battleground states, 11 of 15 rank below average.
But now let's look at an arguably more relevant metric, which is the percentage of white women with children at home (WWWC):
Here, the swing states are distributed a bit more evenly, in part because the swing states tend to be somewhat whiter than the country as a whole. I don't quite buy that Palin is going to help in New Hampshire, which is the fourth most pro-choice state in the country, but some of these other states are worth watching. Conversely, there isn't much of the Palin target demographic in states like Florida and Nevada.
9.09.2008
The Mommy Quotient
by Nate Silver @ 7:57 AM...see also demographics, palin
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I find it interesting that you bring up motherhood begetting conservatism.
whether motherhood begets conservatism or conservatism begets motherhood, we will leave as an exercise for the reader (my guess is the former)
I've heard many parents claim they feel like their parents now that they have their own children. Suddenly all of those things mom and dad knew make sense. Perhaps they really did know what is best. Could one reasonably conclude that mother's know what is best for the country?
Sarah Palin is popular among women right now for two main reasons:
1. The GOP has "marketed" her effectively; and
2. The media has spent more time swooning over her than educating people about her real past and positions.
The more women really learn about who Sarah Palin is and what she believes, the more they will realize they've been sold a myth.
The problem is that the media right now is too busy milking the "celebrity mommy" angle to sell copy, so it will take a while until voters learn about stuff like this.
I am shocked that Nate and Sean and the media are spending so much time analyzing data from the bounce. This is not steady state, relax, wait a week.
Seems to me we have a too long election cycle. Parties would be trying to have their conventions as close to the first Tuesday in November as possible to get the bounce at the right time. Of course, they can announce their presumptive nominees long before that.
The subgroup "white women with children at home" is even smaller than the "white women" subgroup, so that needs to be looked at even more carefully.
I agree though that the outstanding swing-state in this list, New Hampshire, is not so attracted to Sarah Palin as it "should" be, because of her abortion stance and her religious views in general.
Iowa is a little more difficult. Obama´s lead there will shrink, Huckabee did well in Iowa, too. Though if Obama aims for the middle and stays on the pro-ethanol course he should still win it, especially since Iowa is not really McCain´s favorite state.
It will be interesting to see a Minnesota-poll. The Republican convention was there, with a few protests, Pawlenty was not chosen and Palin could have rural appeal. Montana will also be interesting. Gov. Schweitzer has increased his national standing and I remember David Plouffe saying that he was pleased with how things are looking in Montana. But Palin might make up for that, we´ll see...
NY Times reporting that Obama only raised $17 milion last month? Wasn't he over $50 million in July? What happened? Can he continue to even compete?
This would have sounded absurd to anyone even a few months ago, but could McCain actually end up with a money advantage during the stretch of the campaign where it really matters?
In addition to talking about what Palin's precise demographic appeal to voters is, it's good to discuss what her appeal to donors is.
If Moms goes for Palin and Olds go for Mccain is this the best pincer movement since the New Labour traingulation of the mid 90s?
One thing though - why arent liberals reminding the public about Mccain's 'joke' back in 98 about Janet Reno [a true breaker of the glass ceiling] and Hilary [whom wome in the US love and a child?
- in the UK any politican making that kind of comment would be about as popular as a fart in an elevator.
As a mom, what I see happening is what happens with a child who learns to lie. Once a small lie is accepted, the child tries another, and another.
If the lies are not called out as LIES, the child becomes more emboldened, and lying becomes second nature, even if the truth carries no negativity.
The press are the enables here. They continue to accept the lies from McCain, so he and his team keep putting bigger and bigger lies out there.
If something doesn't change soon, the 4th estate should be foreclosed on.
PEACE
All of this is academic if the correlation between favorability ratings and actual electoral support is not considered. Two different questions are being asked.
In my anecdotal experience since 9/4, empathy and identification with Palin among white women with children has increasingly not translated to an intention to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.
All just anecdotal, of course, but what actually is the correlation between favorability ratings and votes?
mmmmmm, Palin is a WWWCILF!
@stephen
NY Times reporting that Obama only raised $17 milion last month?
They're reporting that the party only raised 17 mil. That isn't Obama.
From the NYT:
"A California fund-raiser familiar with the party's August performance estimated that it raised roughly $17 million last month, a drop-off from the previous month, and finished with just $13 million in the bank.
Still, the Obama campaign said last Thursday that it had raised $10 million over the Internet in the 24 hours after the speech by McCain's running mate, Governor Sarah Palin, at the Republican convention on Wednesday, a one-day record for the campaign."
I do not see any way they raised just 17 million last month.
That said, I just gave him another $100.
As a reminder, VC has an impersonator, so don't assume he wrote that stupid comment.
or more bluntly - I expect Obama raised 70mil+.
"NY Times reporting that Obama only raised $17 milion last month? Wasn't he over $50 million in July? What happened? Can he continue to even compete?"
Any fundraising problems that Obama might have been having were solved by McCain's selection of Palin.
The new SurveyUSA poll in VA said that McCain take 44% women vote before Palin.
After Sarah he take 43%.
Any fundraising problems that Obama might have been having were solved by McCain's selection of Palin.
I think they ahd unrealistic expectations. Personally, I'm coming around to the thought that they should have taken the $84mil and done exactly what McCain has done - funnelled money to the party afterwards.
What about the all-important metric of mother's basements? (Florida would rank at or near the bottom, I'd imagine.)
Fred @ 7:15am,
You're not suggesting that Nate should actually try getting some sleep, are you?
Nate can sleep after the election. Until then, more coffee....
whether motherhood begets conservatism or conservatism begets motherhood, we will leave as an exercise for the reader (my guess is the former)
I would be interested in hearing the basis for your guess, because I think you're completely wrong. I say this as a white woman with children, BTW.
"Conservative" in this context means "conservative on social issues", which means being opposed to abortion and birth control and in favor of getting married young. Guess what, when women get married young, don't use birth control and don't have the choice of abortion, they become mothers.
Utah isn't very conservative because they have a lot of kids, they have a lot of kids because they are "conservative" -- where "conservative" specifically means "believe that women should have no choice but to have children".
"I don't quite buy that Palin is going to help in New Hampshire"
New Hampshire people (even the Republicans) abhor right wing evangelical christianity. That's why the old "agents of intolerance" McCain played there so well. He tossed away New Hampshire by picking Palin. He his rolling the dice on replicating the Bush map.
Maybe that Californian fundraiser was speaking about California-only numbers. I think 17 Mio$ from the biggest state sounds reasonable. Another source in that article is saying that the campaign had its BEST fundraising month so far. I would expect the same, especially if the 10 Mio$ after the Palin pick are real. And the convention took place this month. I would expect about 60-70 Mio$ this month, but I would also guess that Obama´s Illinois donors may be getting close to their maximum. So parts of the fundraising machine may be on their last legs, until the 2300$ primary restriction is lifted.
I think that this ABC poll, if its findings are correct, are a sign that the current close polling is as a result of a GOP convention/Palin pick bounce. I am not saying that some women aren't going to stick with McCAin/Palin, but once the symbolism dies off, I would imagine many might look more at her and come to the conclusion that this is not the woman they want to elect. I think a few 527's pushing the 'she's not like you' message won't go amiss, even if it brings out a few Republican 527s saying 'he's not like you'.
All in all, I would imagine the Axelrod/Plouffe/Obama team are not panicking, even if some of the rest of us are begining to furrow our brows a bit.
By James V. Grimaldi and Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 9, 2008; Page A01
ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
This Story
Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home
Footing the Bill
Travel Authorization - State of Alaska
The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.
Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.
The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
But do assume that charles wrote his own stupid comments.
OMG...a reddening of the red states.
A coalition of Jews, homosexuals, and progessive, pro-choice women will win Florida for Obama.
Without Florida, McCain's path to victory collapses.
Romney plays better than Palin in NH.
Wouldnt have thought the fraud by Palin would affect the game much since she appears to be bomb proof.
the public love her - god help you.
Wonder how the destruction of the galaxy by a black hole tommorrow will play in Idaho?
As a slight aside if Time travel is theoretically possible yet no evidence of people coming back in futuristic clothing exists. It seems possible that we manage to die out before we get to developing it, whats the betting its all Sarah Palins fault go on 5/1?
Palin appeals to the MILF crowd.
I'd never vote for her but I'd give her a good bang, one she'd never forget.
Sarah Palin has more potential than the majority of our finest Presidents.
Isn't the WWWC demographic just a warmed-over version of Soccer Moms?
"NY Times reporting that Obama only raised $17 milion last month? Wasn't he over $50 million in July? What happened? Can he continue to even compete?"
The NYTimes I read says they don't know how much he raised in August but that they were told it was his best month so far.
They are speculating that the DNC raised $17 million in August.
"Wouldnt have thought the fraud by Palin would affect the game much since she appears to be bomb proof."
She's not bomb proof. In she's especially bomb susceptible, since the public have known her exactly a week and a half. What Palin apparently did according to the article (taking a salary and also billing the state for her family dinners at home) is what's commonly known as "double dipping". That's something people can relate to pretty easily.
OMG Oklahoma just flipped to McCain
Obama - 32
McCain - 65
Red is Redder
Blue is Bluer
And Purple is Blue
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=799f4cf7-1c58-4e43-a0ce-3f714041c1a5
Today's Rasmussen
Obama - 48
McCain - 48
Rasmussen tied 46-46 with leaners 48-48. Seems like the bounce is over as predicted by midweek.
Probably stay pretty much tied until after the first debate and then we may see some movement.
New Montana Poll coming from Rasmussen later today as 5PM. That one had better show McCain up high single digits or he's really in trouble.
Florida for Democrats is like New Jersey for Republicans. The polls had Kerry tied in the state or, at worst, down 1 on election day and he got smoked by 5%. The Republicans will always outperform the poll numbers in this state and Crist, a McCain supporter, is a very popular governor.
State polls lag the national poll numbers by about a week so both sides have reason to be happy about last night's results. There is some panic in the Obama camp around PA as his support has weakened in the outer portions of the inner suburb counties .. specifically Bucks and Montgomery. As long as Rasmussen doesn't go much above +1, then Obama can probably hold the state but a +2 or +3 would be some trouble.
eve
The DNC and the Obama campaign are two entirely different fundraising entities.
The Obama campaign claims they had their best fundraising month in August, so the $17M figure may be the DNC total, which in of itself isn't a lot.
Remember that WSJ story last month claiming Obama had a bad July? Well, we remember how that ended...
I see the Palin factor leading to an electoral landslide for McCain in November.
Depends where the purple is .. the upper midwest is seeing a definite reddening while the mountain west is shading more blue.
Then again I would, wouldn't I?
No bounce for McCain in Rasmussen LV.
The most highest lead post-convention for McCain is Scott´s poll was by 1% and Obama by 6%. And McCain can get 49% in Rasmussen LV model.
LOL, McCain can´t get 49% in Rasmussen LV.
Jeremy, I know the DNC and Obama are two different fund raising entities. That's why I mentioned both of them in response to the post asking if Obama raised $17 million. The $17 million mentioned was DNC fundraising. And it was not information from the DNC so we don't know if it's right.
Someone please block the fake VC. PLEASE!
The polls will start to matter by the end of the week, looks like a bounce though, good for Obama.
It all comes down to the debates now...
Palin is slowly dying, learn to vet your picks!!!!
Dems should be pretty pleased by the Rasmussen, PPP and SurveyUSA numbers. The past 3 days are McCain's high point, his best day in the office. So, on his best day, McCain still loses PA, CO, WA and MI, FL is a toss up and Obama is two points back in VA. I was actually surprised by these figures and it may just be that McCain has been stacking up his vote in deep red states and improving in deep blue states like CA and NY.
If Obama moves the figures by just a couple of points (which would be a tie in the national polls), he is going to be very well placed to win this with something to spare.
The potential kicker? Events. There is the always the possibility of a bombshell on either side but it would be surprising if anything new came out that hurt Obama or McCain. For the GOP, Palin is the big risk. At the moment she has not had any proper scrutiny on her policy positions and the ABC interview will be a big event. I see that the Palin team are making Charlie Gibson spend a few days with her in Alaska, no doubt in the hope that he will go native and give her softball questions on moose burgers and snow. She must be pressed hard on her knowledge of the economy and foreign affairs and on her abortion stance. Leave her family out of it, it just gives her an excuse to avoid answering the real questions.
Palin has no obligation to meet with the press. Who do the press think they are anyway? She answers to the American people only.
Bounce already starting to fade, as Nate predicted. If McCain can only get to +1 in the GOP-friendly Ras poll on his best day and is still struggling to tie down a big, supposedly safe GOP state like Florida, I like Obama's chances. While everyone's been getting hysterical he's been cool and collected.
The new ad is good and hits hard and people are starting to see Palin for what she is - the Princess of Pork.
Rasmussen leaners moves slowly to Obama after the comventions if you compared the tracking numbers before the convention.
The most hilarious thing is that McCain is now scared to campaign with without Palin at his side.
Meanwhile, Barack and Joe are covering twice the ground. And of course there's Hillary piching in an hour or two every third week or so.
Please, Rasmussen is and independent pollster, not a GOP pollster.
"I see that the Palin team are making Charlie Gibson spend a few days with her in Alaska"
I've no doubt that Charlie Gibson and ABC news are spending every waking moment right now thinking of ways to frame their softball questions so that they seem like hardball questions.
Today's Rasmussen showing the race tied at 48-48 represents a good night's polling for Obama yesterday. McCain was up 4 on Saturday and it was tied yesterday which suggests that Obama led by 3-4 points last night. We will know if the McCain bounce is dead tomorrow when his 4 point night drops out. If Obama has a 3 point lead in tonight's polling, Rasmussen should show an Obama lead of 2 points tomorrow.
As for Gallup, McCain led by 7 points on Saturday and by 5 points on Sunday's polling. Therefore if Obama has a lead of 3 in Monday's polling, McCain's lead over the 3 days will drop to 3 points today and it will be tied tomorrow if the pattern continues. If Obama is even in Monday's polling, McCain's lead will drop to 4 points today and 2 points tomorrow if the pattern continues.
In the meantime Rasmussen has a poll for Montana tonight. Given that the fieldwork will have been done during the bounce, McCain will want to have a lead of more than 5 points. Also PPP release a poll in Florida. Again, McCain will want a lead of 5 points but I have an inkling that Florida is going to be the surprise close state this year.
And Bill and Obama lunch.
I've always maintained that McCain made a critical mistake (beyond not vetting her) by denying the press any access to Palin. These journalists are vindictive souls and they don't like being pissed on. So in lieu of Palin providing any information herself and doing her own damage control, she relinquished the field to the media to drum up any story they can find...and indeed the WaPost, WSJ, CNN and others are gladly jumping on it.
You can only sail on a cloud of being cute, having rimless glasses and making up stories for so long till someone calls you on your bullshit.
yet another story about Palin out, this time that she was getting extra money for every night she stayed at home...basically, corruption....
it seems strange that she has so many different problems, yet so many voters don't care. It's like they will forgive anything if the person has a pretty face and can recite someone elses speech passable well.
Time will tell if that sticks or not.
As for McCain - finally Obama is calling him a liar. I'd like that to happen more, McCain is lying enough!
MT poll is interesting.
The last two Rasmussen polls in this state was Obama by 5 and tied.
McCain must win today in MT poll.
Fred:
Thanks for your post!
It is UNBELIEVABLE that Sarah Palin billed and took $14,000 for 312 night for STAYING IN HER OWN HOME!
UNBELIEVABLE ETHICS AND IMPROPRIETY!!
Maybe we can all do the same and BILL our companies for staying in our homes!!
NO wonder the OIL Companies like Sarah Palin, because the oil companies already have Palin in the pocket of the Oil Companies!!
Alaska = Oil Companies = Sen Ted Steven and Sarh Palin = Corruption and Theft from the Tax payers!!
Makes Cheney and Bush like look like lightweight oil company thieves!
Too Cool to Fight
Great article by Richard Cohen that gets right at the heart of the issue with Obama. Watching this guy take the high road drives me insane and finially someone from the press points this out. Read it here
Rasmussen's polls are probably tilted a little pro-Dem at this point since he uses a +6.7% Dem ID sampling. One most assume that more Republicans "came home" during the past 2 weeks so the differences between self-described Democrats and Republicans is probably in the 4-5% range.
Rasmussen has a very good track record, so independent of his own personal philosophy, his polls are fairly accurate (unlike Gallup's).
"MT poll is interesting.
The last two Rasmussen polls in this state was Obama by 5 and tied.
McCain must win today in MT poll."
I suspect the Palin/McCain ticket will do well in that poll. Montana is one of the few close states where "hunting, fishing" Palin will be an asset all the way to Nov 4. Montana and North Dakota are probably off the table. Battleground state voters (CO, VA, PA, MI, OH), however, know that they are the ones deciding the election and will take their choice very seriously, blocking out superfluous distractions.
Can I be the first one to suggest the obvious ... the last four elections have all been razor-thin (assuming you five Ross Perot's votes to the Republicans) and this one will be too.
Everyone is trying fight, lie, cheat and steal their way to 50.1% at which point they stick their middle finger up at the other 49.9%.
We put such huge importance on who gets that extra 0.2% that it distracts from the country's huge problems for a year.
Why not go back to the old days and make the winnner President and the runner up Vice President as the founding fathers originally arranged it?
Well I think Obama is in trouble...
This has become a game plain and simple.
This is now identity politics and marketing.
The same mental giants who provided
us with with the last eight years WILL vote for more of the same.
This double down change theme is going to be very hard to combat. Our only hope is that Mccanine and co build a crystal tower that becomes to lofty and top heavy to maintain.
Also noteworthy is the energy on the ground...
It seems the Obama rallies have turned into Mccanine rallies and visa versa.
I think Obama and BIDEN have to hit the debates
with a message that is effective against the grease
they are up against. I even think visual aides would be very effective as most learn this way. They are not fighting fire with water and hopefully they will start adjusting accordingly... GOD HELP US ALL.
PALIN is SCARED to meet the Press!
PALIN can ONLY read speeches written by Karl Rove's henchmen!
PALIN can only read speeches just like PALIN did when she read from the teleprompter as a Newscaster!
WE all know how that goes!!
PALIN took 6 years, and 5 colleges to finally graduate with a degree from IDAHO the toughest of colleges in our country!!!
PALIN cannot keep her OWN teenage daughter from getting pregnant!
PALIN's admin in Wasilla charged raped women $300-$1,200 per VICTIM for the rape tests and she made her Police Chief she hired do THIS dirty work!
PALIN after charging raped women for the tests, then went on to defund SEX education in schools (see what happened to her teenage daughter), and then says she will BAN funding for sex education even for juniors and seniors in high school!
PALIN has said the PALIN/McCAIN admin will ONLY appoint judges who will not allow pro choice EVEN in the case of rape or incest (of course raped women will have to pay for the rape test kits)!!!
UNDER PALIN all American Women will GO TO THE DARK ages, because PALIN does NOT SUpport Women's rights!!!
PALIN means ONLY get to stay and home, or if they go out then Women have to accept being Raped!
Ron Paul to appear on the ballot in Montana.
http://www.helenair.com/articles/2008/09/09/top/65st_080909_paul.txt
Not good news for McCain as his lead there (if any) is hanging by a thread.
You know what Steve, thats a pretty good idea.
We should have a competition to formulate the most egregious Charlie Gibson softball question. I'll start:
"Governor Palin, may I say just start by saying how damn hot you look. Your son is set to go to Iraq and you must feel awfully proud of him right now. The question I have is whether you would prefer to entrust his safety to a commander in chief who is a an America hating homosexual angry Islamist from Illinois with no executive experience or to a decorated war hero called John McCain?"
Steve
"Why not go back to the old days and make the winnner President and the runner up Vice President as the founding fathers originally arranged it?"
You mean back in the days when McCain was a kid? ;-)
The Palin pick will put Florida in play. The Jews down there are not comfortable with her radical religious views plus they do not want a vp who wants them to convert.
If Mccain loses Florida he has zero chance of winning.
GO Ron Paul!!
Three cheers for Ron Paul!
Go to Ron Paul's website and contribute please, I am doing that right now!
Get Ron Paul on the ballot wherever possible!
New Maryland Poll -
Obama - 52
McCain - 38
http://www.examiner.com/a-1577410~Gonzales_poll_shows_slots_are_losing_favor.html
Same differential as their February Poll
Ron Paul being ON THE BALLOT in Montana is BAD news for McCain!
Joel, you are so RIGHT!
PALIN and her PASTOR in Wasilla, AK have CLEARLY said that Jews who DO NOT ACCEPT Jesus Christ will not go to heaven, or be saved and thus any Jews who do NOT accept Jesus, according to Palin/Her Pastor/Palin's Church will go to HELL!
Jews are running scared of PALIN!
NO sex education in schools and BAN on ANY library books by the PALIN/McCAIn Admin for the entire USA, if the Library books are not approved by the Evangelical church leaders!!
OK, p smith, you're on.
"Governor Palin, if an abortion doctor snuck into your daughter's home and forced your daughter to have an abortion, should that abortion doctor get the death penalty?"
From the article:
“Here in Montana, I think it’s pretty much sealed the deal that McCain will not win Montana,” Hart said. “If he doesn’t win, Ron Paul will probably be blamed for it. They only need to look in the mirror and blame themselves for nominating someone who doesn’t represent true Republican values and causes like Paul.”
http://www.helenair.com/articles/2008/09/09/top/65st_080909_paul.txt
In the MT primaries, Ron Paul got 25% to Mccain's 22%.
He will draw between 7% and 10% on the ballot.
Montana goes blue.
Montana becomes more progressive in the last years. And the Rocky Mountain States will be very competitive.
Jeremy,
Paul and Barr both being on the Montana ballot bodes very, very well for Obama. Is there any way to get Paul on more state ballots? Apparently, one of the protestors at McCain's speech said he got his ticket from a disgruntled Paul delegate, and that there were more like-thinking Paul delegates than the party would care to admit. Very interesting development, nonetheless!
"Libertarian Montana".
Like a film.
Not much news here.
The less popular candidate with the less popular positions has a strong marketing machine.
He doesn't make the obvious mistakes like choosing Romney.
His latest irresponsible yet partially effective carnival barker move - a totally unqualified running mate who is superficially charismatic and amusingly unusual.
End result - best superficial "convention bounce" he could have hoped for. Not quite as big as his opponent's immediate prior bounce.
We'll know something worth knowing on Monday.
My guess is that McCain saved himself from a severe blowout with the Palin choice. Without a giant play for attention from McCain, Obama would literally have consolidated at his post-convention lead. A dull male conservative running mate would have taken McCain down like an anvil in a parachute pack. McCain threw a Hail Mary when he needed a Hail Mary - he was smart enough to do that. But he still needs a two point conversion to even put the game in over time.
Palin was basically a resuscitation candidate. But just because McCain was jolted back to life one more time doesn't mean that the long term prognosis is good.
Ron Paul independent candidate.
Romney plays better in MT than Palin, let´s see the primaries.
Why not go back to the old days and make the winnner President and the runner up Vice President as the founding fathers originally arranged it?
Two things:
1) Under the original system, each elector had two votes, without distinction as to which was for President or for VP. It's possible to set it up such that all of your party's electors save one vote for your party's president and VP candidate, with the last one voting for your presidential candidate and some other guy, and this is in fact what happened in 1800. (Well, almost. The Federalists had that arrangement, and the Democratic-Republicans tried it but didn't coordinate it correctly.)
2) Those same founding fathers realized that having the runner-up in a bitterly-fought election get the VP slot wouldn't work out well for reasons that would be obvious. And if it isn't, look at the John Adams presidency.
Dario, you should see how much they love Ron Paul out in the west. He's like a god out here.
These guys are the last of the FISCAL conservatives. They don't care much about "god, guns, gays and gametes." They're just dying te see the country run properly again, and back on an even keel.
Nate continues to igmnore the obvious structural shift in the electorate that Palin's presence on the ticket has caused. While women are a sub-group, they make up slightly more than half the sample, so the MOE with them is actually quite small, relative to other subgroups, say Blacks or Hispanics or even Catholics. His reasoning is disingenuous.
He then goes on to tout the theory that he likes, b/c it is vaguly dismissive of Plain's appeal: it is the Mommy factor.
We'll take it where we can get it, I suppose.
Palin is helping this ticket big time.
The media assault is unprecedented and will backfire. Much of the impact will be diluted by Palin's appearance with Gibson on Thurs.
The earmakr debate has been turned on its ear -- Obama has taken ONE BILLION in earmarks in the past two years. Makes Palin look like a piker!
LOL ! Maternal Purple! Best graphic design choice yet!
In all seriousness, i love the details and analysis on this blog. I check it daily but if maternal purple is the best you can do for clear design...
Virginia Conservative -
"mmmmmm, Palin is a WWWCILF!"
Thank you for the self-destructive stupidity; please keep it on high until the election.
If there's a small chance that you might pick up a few female voters, celebrate from your dark basement with a barrage of super-creepy sexist comments that reveal the truth. That ought to lock in those votes for McCain.
It doesn't matter to me whether one wingnut is imitating another, by the way. I see no evidence of substantial difference.
@Pete Kent
The earmakr debate has been turned on its ear -- Obama has taken ONE BILLION in earmarks in the past two years. Makes Palin look like a piker!
you do understand about per capita, right?
Fundraising news is very bad for Obama. Read it in the NYTs. He is delaying numbers so he can cook the books, but everything points to anemic fundraising.
It really would be hillarious for him to run out of money and limp to the finsish line broke and deep in debt.
GOTV will be the first to go. I am sure even now he is regretting opening all those expensevie offices and having all that useless infrastructure. You can't get out a vote that does not exist.
Note to Fred: Send more money down the rat hole!
Pete Kent, that $1 billion figure is bunk. More like $300 million. Not a patch on what Palin has requested.
Keep spinning baby - you'll drive yourself right into the ground.
Harold, you fool, it wasn't me!!
She is a pretty hot MILF though! I LOVE MILFs!!
Pete Kent:
NYT: "The Obama campaign does not have to report its August fund-raising totals until next week, so it is difficult to tally what it has in the bank at this point. A spokesman said that August was its best fund-raising month yet and that the campaign’s fund-raising was on track."
Yeah, awful news.
Remember the WSJ bogus claim about the July numbers? But whatever floats your boat, dude.
Pete isn't posting as much lately because he's been hired to write the questions that Charlie Gibson will ask. Here's what he's come up with so far:
* have you always been this hot, or do you feel that maturity is adding to your bloom?
* do you find that after a long day out on the tundra catching bullets in your teeth, a naked soak in a soothing bubble bath surrounded by rose petals is a pleasant experience?
* without breaking into actual song, coudl you try to express for us how much you love America?
You sicken me, imitator!
>>>I've always maintained that McCain made a critical mistake (beyond not vetting her) by denying the press any access to Palin. These journalists are vindictive souls and they don't like being pissed on.<<<<
Article in Huffington post this AM disagrees, with a lot of support from other writers.
Palin is the combo of catnip and kryptonite for MSM. They will certainly attack, and in a few( or more than a few cases) get it wrong. Solidad O"Brian attacks on cutting funds to Down Syndrome children and it just turns out that the left wing blogs could not read the budget right.
A few examples of unfair attacks is all that is necessary to influence the middle. We all know that the left will hate her and the right will support her independent of facts. It is all about what the middle thinks. I think we will see many women defend her even of they won't vote for a ticket with her on it.
This administration will use GWB as a puppet all the way to the end. Trying to manipulate the perception of what's going on in Iraq all the way to November 5th.
lmao @ filistro
I just read that NoBama only raised $10mm in August!! Sarah Palin on her own will bring in $50mm!!
Call it the Palin Revolution! She's like our female Thomas Jefferson.
floridagop: Spin this.
Sarah Palin is a fraud.
"She's like our female Thomas Jefferson."
What, she owns slaves too?
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
Montana only matters with Nevada unless something crazy happens and states unexpecedly flip back and forth.
Pete Kent
You seem like an adult version of Palin's baby....
I dropped by my favorite coffee shop again yesterday and sat around visting with the regular "girls"... mostly waitresses, dental hygienists, secrertaries, and mommies-with-strollers.
They began discussing Palin while I made mental notes.
A guy on a stool at the counter was eavesdropping. After a while he swivelled his chair around and said, grinning, "Wow! Listening to you ladies, I understand why lawyers don't want women on juries!"
In the MT primaries, Ron Paul got 25% to Mccain's 22%.
He will draw between 7% and 10% on the ballot.
Montana goes blue.
Montana has a lot of former Calfornians. You may well be right.
filistro is such a troll.
"A guy on a stool at the counter was eavesdropping. After a while he swivelled his chair around and said, grinning, "Wow! Listening to you ladies, I understand why lawyers don't want women on juries!""
Not sure I get this. You saying they don't like her, I assume?
McCain enjoys a huge convention surge and Obama stands strong in the battleground states, I figures McCain would be up 3-5 points in those states. What we see is Obama's unusual strength electorally. Even after the Momentum McCain has established, Obama still wins Michigan and Colorado giving him the electoral college.
It appears Obama got stronger in Colorado after both conventions. CO wins the election. Great news for Obama.
It's okay caca, I'm leaving now. Have a nice day :-)
I expect McCain to be ahead in NH right now. NH has had a female Governor. There are many gun owners, hunters, fishers, snowmobilers, and hockey moms in NH.
As for FL, its demographic mix of older white women, Cubans, Jews, military veterans, and rednecks is not tailored to Obama in the least. By the way, Jews only make up 6-7% of FL voters and they normally break heavily for the Dem nominee.
filistro:
What were the ladies saying?
Women judge Palin very harshly, Charles.
>>>floridagop: Spin this.
Sarah Palin is a fraud. <<<<<
Charles, it is exactly what I am talking about. Left wing blog attacks, MSM may get into it. Pressure on News cycles gets it on before the story is fully vetted. It is not 100% verfiable, and we argue about this instead of major issues.
I do not think that Ayers, Rezko, or Wright changed anybody's mind on the left. And as you indicate , every story can be "spun".
I certainly could be wrong, but the longer/harder Obama/Biden/MSM stay on Palin Scandals, the better it is for McCain. Time will tell
No, of course, data that doesn't fit the Obama preconception must be flawed.
Never mind the Gallup stuff out this morning also contradictiong the preconception that the incremental McCain's support os only among the base and men.
Sheesh. Stick to the data, Nate. You're often OK at that. Your pathetic attempts at spin punditry have a distinct Kosesque tinge. Not credible.
This presidential election—like the ones in 2000 and 2004—will be won on the ground in a few swing states. So forget the movements in the Gallup daily tracking poll or the Intrade political market. You don't even need to focus on the electoral-college maps at Pollster.com or Electoral-Vote.com.
It's only GOTV in every election.
Look what DAVID PLOUFFE said yesterday in Chicago :" John McCain not only has to match George W. Bush’s historic turnout job in Ohio and Florida, he has to exceed it because we believe our turnout will exceed John Kerry’s turnout,” said Plouffe.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=45368908-18FE-70B2-A8438BCB26DBEFFD
How is the GOP going to manipulate Pennsylvania to get Nader on the ballot and keep Barr off? Ed Rendell is the Governor, most of the politicians there are Dems, they can't lose because of that. What garbage!
How is the GOP going to manipulate Pennsylvania to get Nader on the ballot and keep Barr off? Ed Rendell is the Governor, most of the politicians there are Dems, they can't lose because of that. What garbage!
If Paul is running in Montana and gets some traction then it could flip it, but if a 269-269 is a BO win I cant see how MT 3 votes is significant.
With MT If he keeps MI, he has 263 with
NH, OH,CO,VA, FL, in play. So he needs the same as if he didnt have MT.
Only if he loses MI, giving him 246needing NH + OH. Or NH+VA+CO.
But if he loses OH how does he win VA?
If he loses MI can he really win OH?
Basically MT doesnt matter. Unless my maths is a bit fuzzy.
John McCain not only has to match George W. Bush’s historic turnout job in Ohio and Florida, he has to exceed it because we believe our turnout will exceed John Kerry’s turnout,” said Plouffe.
It's only GOTV and turnout who will decide the election.
I don't agree with the mommy theory. But I think she is another teflon candidate like Bill Clinton, George Bush or Barack Obama. When McCain first introduced her she looked like the perfect candidate (mother of 5, a governor, fought against corruption etc.) and many republicans got very excited about her. When that happens people are usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the candidate no matter what they hear. I think the republican base (or what is left of it) will give her the benefit of the doubt until the end (just like Democrats and Bill Clinton). The independents? Not so much. Independents are more cynical. Mothers? They're usually even more cynical. Mothers who have teenage children? They're paranoid. So I'm not sure about the mommy vote. Especially stay at home mommy vote.
But that aside, the elections are still won by winning the electoral votes, no? I've been reading and listening to all the arguments carefully and I don't think anyone said anything about which states she puts in play. Can someone tell me which states does she put in play?
MT alone will not matter, but the symbolism would be great for both the dems and the libertarians.
But...MT+SD+ND, hmmmmmmm
The argument is she puts OH and PA in play because they have evangelicals that will turn out.
I think this is worng as all these people were McCain voters anyway, and increasing turnout in a high turnout group does not get you much.
Latest Rass state polls are very good for McCain.
In brief he has locked down OH while putting PA in play. FL does look competitive as well, but unlike PA the trends are not so clearly marked as to cause consternation. Remember also that Obama has spent millions (which apparently he no longer has) in FL against ZERO for McCain.
If PA is truly in play --which the Dem campaign's behavior seems to support -- then Obama is firmly on defense.
Let’s look at trends since August polling:
OH -- M + 3
PA -- M + 3
VA -- M + 3
FL -- O + 2
CO -- O + 4 (explained by presence of convention?)
The overall trend is favorable to McCain, but indicates that work still needs to be done to lock down FL and the possibly the West. The MT poll tonight will be very interesting.
As interesting in these State polls are the favorability numbers for McCain and Obama, unmasking to a degree the "Bradley" effect which I maintain are inherent to a degree in the numbers.
Look at McCain's net favorables:
OH -- M + 13
PA -- M + 2
VA -- M + 2
FL -- M + 6
CO -- M + 7
In each state McC has the higher favorability number, even in states where he is losing.
The OH number is most encouraging and it coupled with the 51% polling number is cause for considerable cheer. In a state like OH pocketbook issues, while important, can be trumped by character issues.
The FL and CO results make the top line polling results more palatable for McCain showing his potential for upside in both states.
Again, PA is a place for cautious optimism and the question will be: Will it behave more like OH or NJ this year?
VA remains razor thin, but if we are seeing a heartland-based shift to McCain which the polls seem to indicate has happened (20 point shift in favor of McCain in Midwest since conventions), then MI becomes a very real possibility and its closest kin may be PA, at which point a loss of VA may be a curiosity, a product of having an African American at the top of the ticket, something we may not see again for a while.
Much to be cheerful about in the McCain camp these days.
"I do not think that Ayers, Rezko, or Wright changed anybody's mind on the left."
Uh, wrong.
There are lots of people to this day who will not vote for Obama because of Wright.
Now remember one other difference: Palin's candidacy is almost entirely based on a mythical image built around her personality and reputation. She is very susceptible to people discovering that she's not what she seems.
I doubt anyone in the MSM has the balls to bring up this issue, but women are very effective networkers.
Look, I am a Republican, I think moderate, you might disagree.
On the Weekend after Palin was selected, I saw DailyKos attack that Trig was really the baby of Bristol, and then I saw Andrew Sullivan pick it up.
I must of penned 50 posts, suggesting to my democratic friends that this would hurt their cause and Obama bad. I was not trying to spin, just saying what I believed.
I do not want anyone on the right attacking Obama with obvious lies. the lie that he is Muslin, the lie of using his middle name, the lie of infanticide, the statement by an asshole Republican representative that the Obamas are "uppity" Why -- because it is stupid and it helps Obama.
There are more than enough issues to attack either one of them on.
@davelondon
Montan on it's own is worthless. However, it puts North Dakota next door into play as a potential swing state - Obama would need both in that win scenario.
Watching Sarah P on TV live now from an Ohio gathering, quite large. She is saying the same stuff. "Put" the plane on E Bay, "fought" the bridge to no where. "Fired" the cook (renamed the position of the cook she wasn't fired) how can she possibly say and do this ... I suppose just the press. Now John Mc. Can't watch
"Sheesh. Stick to the data, Nate. You're often OK at that. Your pathetic attempts at spin punditry have a distinct Kosesque tinge. Not credible."
Rudy -- it's a private blog. If you don't like it, door's over there.
Go find a moose hunter who can do "better balanced" analysis than Nate.
FloridaGOP- You seem OK, but it's almost 7 years after 9/11 and for God's sake...
A person of the Islamic faith is a MUSLIM.
MUSLIN is a kind of fabric.
/Middle Eastern Studies minor
Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery: there is now a poseur PeteKent out there. he is on blogger. i am on typekey/typepad.
B/c my style is inimitable, I trust you all we will be able to keep us straight.
@Rudy
let's see, who's credible...the statistician who believes in cold hard facts as much as possible, with thousands of people avidly reading his website and links to professional pollsters, or the random troll?
>>>>But that aside, the elections are still won by winning the electoral votes, no? I've been reading and listening to all the arguments carefully and I don't think anyone said anything about which states she puts in play. Can someone tell me which states does she put in play?<<
I think she helps in the swing states (otherwise they would not be swing). Florida and New Hampshire may be exceptions. Ohio was a tossup leaning Obama, I think it is a tossup leaning McCain. Michigan and Wisconsin are more in play than they were. So, what states does she put in play? probably none, but she increases the odds that McCain might win those states.
My standard caveat: THIS IS STILL OBAMA's RACE TO LOSE, it is just a lot closer.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=45368908-18FE-70B2-A8438BCB26DBEFFD
interesting, but there is an error there. They state that Nebraska is a target State and miss out Ohio.
State polls lag the national poll numbers by about a week so both sides have reason to be happy about last night's results.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Where do you think the people in the national polls live?
I don´t think Obama win Montana in this election but in the future Montana, North Dakota, Colorado and Nevada will be blue.
There are more progressive and libertarian elements in the Rocky Mountain States.
Rachel Madow on MSNMC spread the same falsehood about baby Trig that Andrew Sullivan did. They reward her with her own show?
At least Olbermann and Matthews have been sent to the woodshed.
@FloridaGOP
I think she helps in Ohio, Virginia. Hinders in Montana, South Dakota, Florida, Colorado & Nevada.
That's base don the evangelical support for Huckabee in the Primaries.
I remain unconvinced that a massive swathe of women are going to vote based purely on plumbing - it didn't happen for Ferraro in the slightest (LOWER margin of women voted for Mondale/Ferraro than theDem candidates either side). That leaves the evangelicals.
The McCain camp must be worried about the state numbers. At the peek of McCain's strength, a peak he is not likely to see again, Obama still wins the electoral college. McCain's favorable are at an all time high and he lcan't break through.
When McCain's numbers return to normal and the Palin excitement calms down it looks like Obama has nothing but upside. Florida is now in play, the Palin pick has hurt McCain significantly there. Ohio moves out and Florida moves in, thats a terrible trade off for McCain. Obama looks strong now in Florida, Biden seems to have helped, Obama seems to have eased worries about N.S. experience and Florida doesn't like Palin as much as other states.
The dems have weathered the onslaught and come out ahead. It is likely that Obama will consolidate his lead as the convention bounce subsides and Obama is left holding all the cards.
Much to be happy about in the Obama camp.
Natalie, Good catch --- I usually preview and proofcheck, but I was in such a huury that I did not properly Vett the post.
lesson learned!
It's incredibly sad how many people vote based mostly on identity politics. Palin's favorability with white women with children is just another example. She looks like them, so they want to vote for her. Obviously it has jack all to do with her qualifications for the 2nd highest office in the nation. They just see someone like them.
I for one don't want someone like me to hold this office. I want the Presidency and VP positions to be held by the best our country has to offer.
How is the GOP going to manipulate Pennsylvania to get Nader on the ballot and keep Barr off? Ed Rendell is the Governor, most of the politicians there are Dems, they can't lose because of that. What garbage!
Ohio is in Democratic hands as well now.
So, like Kerry, Obama will win it, but unlike Kerry, he'll get to actually count it.
I think she helps in the swing states (otherwise they would not be swing). Florida and New Hampshire may be exceptions.
FloridaGOP, Chuck Todd (who, despite what you think of NBC does a very good job IMO) seems to think that New Hampshire is very much back in play with Palin because they like "quirky" Republicans, whereas before it was leaning more towards Obama. We'll see.
At least Olbermann and Matthews have been sent to the woodshed.
Nope...they've still got their own shows too.
Just no more election coverage anchoring for them.
Why not go back to the old days and make the winnner President and the runner up Vice President as the founding fathers originally arranged it?
Do we really want to incentivize assassination?
Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch just endorsed barack Obama because "Palin is scary".
@dominoid73:
New Maryland Poll -
Obama - 52
McCain - 38
http://www.examiner.com/a-1577410~Gonzales_poll_shows_slots_are_losing_favor.html
Same differential as their February Poll
Huh. Ras had Obama up 10 in Maryland before the conventions. Internals look the same or stronger for Obama too.
I'm growing unimpressed with the McCain bounce at the state polling level. At the height of his bounce, he still won't win any blue states, still looks to lose Colorado, and is still hanging on by a thread in Virginia. Plus, he looks worse for the wear in Florida. The jury's still out on Iowa and New Mexico, though.
I'm also very curious about today's Montana poll. If he can't pull a solid lead out of a Bush +20 state at the height of his bounce, that's trouble.
New CNN Poll on some Palin stuff
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/palin.poll/index.html
Palin Qualified to Serve As President
Men - 57
Women - 43
Favorable Opinion of Palin
Men - 62
Women - 53
Boys, Nate's lost his way. He's gotten away from the charter he set for himself, which is right in the masthead: Electoral Projections Done Right.
Looking at all of the data through the prism of what-can-we-do-to help-Obama may be gratifying for the KosKooks, but it is destroying his value as an objective source.
Certainly it's his perogative to do whatever he wants. But he's making a huge mistake by turning into a spin machine. No credibility, and his data will be viewed like a partisan pollster's.
This data on the women with children falls far short of anything with statistical value.
Look at the charts: in the first chart, 80% of states are within two percentage points of each other, yet his bar charts are scaled to make the differences look huge. On the 2nd chart, 80% of the states are within four percentage points of each other. In the greater scheme, that's hardly any difference.
So, even if the implication is that Palin is helped most among white mothers (which is a preconception that he's trying to shoehorn facts into), there's NO data to support jumping to the conclusion that she isn't helped among non-white mothers.
Just plain sloppy analysis, and intended to distort, not enlighten.
Maryland isn´t in play.
PeteKent, which one is your imitator? All the posts under your name look like they have been written by a quimbecile.
Google it, if you don't know.
As McCain said, "Gotta have a sense of humour".
fred said...
MT alone will not matter, but the symbolism would be great for both the dems and the libertarians.
But...MT+SD+ND, hmmmmmmm
South Dakota will go blue at the same time Wyoming and Nebraska go blue. In other words, never.
But North Dakota is different. Its largest and third largest cities are basically in Minnesota. It's Senators and Representative are all Democrats. It wouldn't be shocking for it to turn Blue for the Presidency as well.
State polls have not lagged national polls for a ages. Where does he get that? Another repub lie/spin.
What will he say when the bounce ends - national polls lag national polls!
The Palin pick will put Florida in play. The Jews down there are not comfortable with her radical religious views plus they do not want a vp who wants them to convert.
I've heard this repeatedly but think it is overstated. Jews make up only about 5% of Florida's voters. Even if you assume Obama was winning only 60% of Jewish voters before Palin (I think it was a little higher in most polls) and the Palin selection drives his support up to 80% (I'll be shocked if he actually gets this high of Jewish support), it is only an extra 1% of the vote for Obama. Of course every little bit of extra support helps, but this doesn't seem like a game changer all by itself.
PeteKent said...
In brief he has locked down OH while putting PA in play.
And you can also say that they lost their edge in Florida. Even if we assume PA and OH is in play now how is she better than Tom Ridge? Plus there is no proof for all of these speculations because the polls were taken after a 4 day non-stop republican media coverage. They will subdue. I am asking theoretically which states might she bring back in the game? Which states that John McCain had no chance of winning before? Also I'm watching the honeymoon pair in Ohio on TV now and wondering what happens if they separate and she draws bigger crowds than McCain (crowd is cheering Sarah Sarah not McCain McCain)?
@DAwolf,
>>>I remain unconvinced that a massive swathe of women are going to vote based purely on plumbing - it didn't happen for Ferraro in the slightest (LOWER margin of women voted for Mondale/Ferraro than theDem candidates either side). That leaves the evangelicals.<<<
100% agreement. That was exceedingly dumb to imply that pro choice women would vote for Palin because of plumbing. THEY WILL NOT. She will get some women. Remember that depending on poll it is 46-39 or something like that. She might influence some of the 2% of women who are just barely voting for Obama now.
It is not based on plumbing. It is based on relating to the person. I grew up in a large family. We were supported in sports, schooling, competitiveness by involved parents. We had problems like teen pregancy that had to be addressed without abortion ( a sister happily married for 40 years). There was compassion and concern and acceptance of other views. My sisters may not vote for Palin, but they will sympathize, and they will respond to venom from MSM.
More Palin corruption, it just never ends with her...................
Palin Billed State for Nights at Home
Gov. Sarah Palin billed the state of Alaska for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months as governor according to a story in the Washington Post. This allowance is intended to cover the governor's expenses when she is away from her office on state business. She also billed to take her children on official state trips and her husband also billed when he went along on these trips (presumably from Juneau, the state capital, to Wasilla, where the Palins live). The legality of this billing aside, a candidate who is strongly against government waste may have some explaining to do. If Palin went alone and spent the night in, say, Fairbanks to confer with the mayor, no questions would have been raised, but billing the taxpayers to stay in your own home probably qualifies as waste, even if it is legal (which is far from clear). Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) also spends a lot of time in his Los Angeles home, but he doesn't bill the state for it. Palin's position on "the bridge to nowhere" (initially for it but later against it) is also in the news. As the press begins digging deeper into Palin's past, more of this stuff may come out. This is the downside of putting a former unknown governor in the national spotlight. In contrast, Joe Biden has been around so long that all the dirt on him is already well known and not newsworthy.
Video of Dexler Clark, vice chairman of Alaska Independence Party stating Palin was a member before she was mayor of Wasilla. So, between her husband being a recent member, her being a past member, people should really question exactly where her loyalty lies. Watch the footage around 6 minutes into the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc
The Anchorage Daily News helps out Charlie Gibson:
The Anchorage Daily News, which knows Sarah Palin as well as anyone, weighs in with an editorial today posing some tough questions that Palin should be forced to answer:
* Why have you reneged on your earlier pledge to cooperate with the Alaska Legislature's investigation into Troopergate?...
* As governor of Alaska, you have not pushed for laws or regulations that put your personal views on abortion, same-sex marriage and creationism into public policy. As vice president, will you push to outlaw abortion, restrict same-sex marriage and require the teaching of creationism?
* If you were a fully qualified vice-presidential candidate from the get-go, why did you wait more than 10 days to face reporters?
*McCain spokesman Rick Davis told Fox News the media didn't show you enough "deference." How much deference do you expect to get from Vladimir Putin or Hugo Chavez?
* You have said victory is in sight in Iraq. In July 2007, when you visited Kuwait, you said, "I'm not going to judge the surge." In the March 2007 issue of Alaska Business Monthly, you were asked about the surge and quoted saying:
"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. . . . While I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place."
Define "victory" in Iraq? What is the exit plan?
Pete Kent said ...I just read that NoBama only raised $10mm in August!!
You can read?!
RESPONSE TO PREVIOUS POST
"Palin has no obligation to meet with the press. Who do the press think they are anyway? She answers to the American people only."
How do you think Palin is going to carry out this obligation "to the American people only?" Do you propose that Palin sit down and answer the questions of millions of people one at a time?
America CANNOT work unless the press holds public officials accountable and those officials answer questions.
When these things don't happen, political campaigns become the equivalent of a selling contest between McDonald's and Burger King (and even those execs talk to Business Week, Fortune and others, and Consumer Reports rates their products, etc.)
Shame on you for not understanding the 219-year-old tradition of the free press in the USA.
Shalom,
ZWrite
(An ex-reporter who once arranged to interview Joe Biden, but never did because he raced from a speech to a secret fundraiser in the basement of a temple that I crashed)
@anothermike
he might be able to read, but what on earth is this "$10mm" that he's talking about?
For those who mention Maryland polls, it is interesting to note that Bush was actually tied in Maryland around this time in 2004.
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/maryland.html
The RNC/Swift Boat combo really had Bush up by a lot; he was even within 4 in Illinois!
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/illinois.html
Another interesting data point: McCain was beating Hillary in Maryland a few months ago, for those who are saying "SHOULD'VE NOMINATED HILLARY!!"
The $10 million is what Obama raised in the 24 hours after Palin's speech. He obviously can't read all that well.
The numbers keep rolling out like a Palin tidalwave! When she starts dazzling the American public with her expertise it's going to turn into a tsunami!
Here's the quote: "Still, the Obama campaign said last Thursday that it had raised $10 million over the Internet in the 24 hours after the speech by Mr. McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, at the Republican convention on Wednesday, a one-day record for the campaign."
Obama raised what, 50-60mil in July? Add in that one 10mil day, add in the Dem Convention. 70mil+ in Aug?
Taxpayers foot the bill for the First Dude's snowmobile races:
Palin charged the state a per diem for working on Nov. 22, 2007 -- Thanksgiving Day. The reason given, according to the expense report, was the Great Alaska Shootout, an annual NCAA college basketball tournament held in Anchorage.
In separate filings, the state was billed about $25,000 for Palin's daughters' expenses and $19,000 for her husband's.
The family also charged for flights around the state, including trips to Alaska events such as the start of the Iditarod dog-sled race and the Iron Dog snowmobile race, a contest that Todd Palin won.
I think the interesting thing about the polls right now is how much is the closeness a 'Palin effect' and how much that will dissipate if the scandal around Palin that might whip up over the next few days catches fire. I think a few Republicans are getting caught up in this weeks fad right now, and McCain might be among them. Just think this time last week Palikn seemed like a weight around McCain's neck, right now she seems like a Godsend, but who knows by next week?
from time.com:
Palin has continued to repeat the already exposed lie that she said, "No, thanks," to the famous "bridge to nowhere" (McCain's favorite example of wasteful federal spending). In fact, she said, "Yes, please," until this project became a symbol and political albatross.
Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it. Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.
Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears.
"Obama raised what, 50-60mil in July? Add in that one 10mil day, add in the Dem Convention. 70mil+ in Aug?"
The $10 day was in September. The Obama campaign has already said it had its best fund raising month yet so it will beat July's record. The 10-17 mill rumor is from the same article and it appears to possibly be a DNC number. We'll see. But Obama will be over 60 million.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/09/america/09donate.php
NJ Moderate said...
Obama camp around PA as his support has weakened in the outer portions of the inner suburb counties .. specifically Bucks and Montgomery. As long as Rasmussen doesn't go much above +1, then Obama can probably hold the state but a +2 or +3 would be some trouble.
If McCain is up 2 or more points in the popular vote, Pennsylvania won't matter, McCain will have won without it. Tipping points are what matter. What I want to know is are the Republicans going to be able to keep Barr's name off the ballot. Nader is on it in Pennsylvania.
Rudy, I'll bite. Generally, I ignore the "Nate's so biased, his numbers are bs" crowd, but you look like you put some thought into your post.
Where are you getting the idea that this post is designed to discount Palin's impact or that Nate's conclusion is that Palin doesn't help among non-white mothers?
I read this post as a fairly neutral analysis of where the numbers are moving, which is generally helpful. Yes, Nate discounts one poll's finding that women are overwhelmingly moving to the Palin-McCain ticket, but that seems at least arguably justifiable given his link to other polls.
I thought it was justifiable for him to look at the mother's with children stat, since 80% is a pretty huge number, even accounting for a fairly large MOE.
He then gives a list of states where there are high percentages of mother's with children. How can this chart be anything but neutral?
Finally, by focusing on the states with white mother's with children (which Nate notes is only ARGUABLY a more important metric), Nate actually IMPROVES the numbers for McCain. More swing states move up the list, indicating that we might see movement towards McCain in these states.
Nowhere does Nate conclude that Palin doesn't impact non-white mothers (although he does imply that white mothers are more likely to impacted, which seems like a reasonable assumption). Instead, Nate's CONCLUSION seems to be that the Palin pick could positively impact states like NH, IA, MT, WI, OH, CO,OR, MI, and PA (even if the effect may be muted in some of those states, like NH, because of other factors).
How is that biasing the facts in favor of Obama? Really, I want to know what you're seeing here that I'm not.
PALIN is now making RED states REDDER for McCain at the expense of other battleground states like FL, and NV.
IN addition, women will slowly but surely realize that PALIN is not going and HAS NEVER supported women's causes:
--PALIN looks the other way when women are raped and supports the man instead
---Even when raped and pregnant by the rapist man, PALIN will NOT allow the RAPED woman to have her pro choice personal decision. In PALIN"S America ALL RAPED WOMEN must have the RAPIST's child or the Raped WOMAN must GO to PRISON for not wanting the RAPIST MAN's CHILD!!
Women love that PALIN position......because the Southern Conservative love it, they will now RAPE women more and more!!!
Hooray for PALIN, say the Southern gentlemen rapists!
Looks like Alaska seems to be a model of what nationalizing the the oil industry would be like. Seems like a pretty good deal. Too bad now it's only benefiting the nation of Alaska and not the rest of us.
Which candidate was the "socialist", again?
@filistro,
Good questions. I think Sarah should answer them. She is a gifted politician and the last 3 or 4 she can hit out of the park.. -- Attack MSM with examples, compare MCCain/Obama on the Surge, repeat Bill Clinton's claim that his military/foreign experience consisted of leading Arkansas National Guard.
The 1st is a tough question and the answer will be interesting. I have another version of the 2nd,
* As senator of Illinois, you have pushed for laws or regulations that put your personal views on abortion into public policy. As President, will you push or nominate Supreme Court Justices to outlaw any restrictions on abortion,up to and including birth?
While I would agree that my revision is unfair to ask of Obama, my point is that I do not want heavily partisan reporters asking candidates anything. If fair for one side, it is equally fair for the other. Let DailyKos and Rush make up the questions OR NOT. MY preference is NOT
Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch just endorsed barack Obama because "Palin is scary".
Wow. I thought for sure he would endorse McCain based on some earlier comments he had made. I guess he found radical fundamentalist Pentecostal theology scarier than radical black liberation theology. Personally, I couldn't care less what either's church preaches.
But North Dakota is different. Its largest and third largest cities are basically in Minnesota.
North Dakota has 12 cities of over 5,000 people. All 12 of them are college towns.
Hmm, Montana alone will not be enough. I wonder if Obama can make a play for Omaha/Nebraska. He would need Chuck Hagel to campaign for him there. And I want to see an "Omaha for Obama" ad. North Dakota seems a bit of a stretch to me. I don´t think the libertarian stream of republicans there would abandon their party as much as the people of Montana. But I agree that the 3 EV alone are not enough. It starts to matter with 4 EV, if Obama loses New Hampshire, which I think is unlikely anyway, but well, you never know - and Montana with Ron Paul on the ballot looks really blue now. They "should" put him on the ballot in Washington, Oregon, and Alaska, too.
When did Nate ever claim that the left portion of the bars is zero? From the looks of things it could be 12. Using twelve would be a better way to point out subtle differences in the states, which sure seems to be the point.
You people are amusing me with your cries of unfairness.
@quantman
>>>---Even when raped and pregnant by the rapist man, PALIN will NOT allow the RAPED woman to have her pro choice personal decision. In PALIN"S America ALL RAPED WOMEN must have the RAPIST's child or the Raped WOMAN must GO to PRISON for not wanting the RAPIST MAN's CHILD!!<<<
I do not agree that Palin wants this in America or would force her views into law. She seems to govern much more moderately. Let's put that aside and and say she has these views and gets elected.
You believe that the House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi with a veto proof majority and the Senate with 55 Senators including Kerry, Clinton, Obama, Reid, Biden are going to pass legislation or approve judges that would incorporate your view of Palin's positions?
It is not based on plumbing. It is based on relating to the person. I grew up in a large family. We were supported in sports, schooling, competitiveness by involved parents. We had problems like teen pregancy that had to be addressed without abortion ( a sister happily married for 40 years). There was compassion and concern and acceptance of other views. My sisters may not vote for Palin, but they will sympathize, and they will respond to venom from MSM.
Very astute. From an Obama supporter, I see the same dynamic going on with moms in their 30s and 40s. Palin will get lots of sympathy just for being a good mother of 5 and making it in a man's world. Probably not enough to swing the vote of any Obama supporter, but maybe enough to sway someone who's on the fence. I tend to think most of this (voting for Palin, not the sympathy) will wear off as the election becomes more focused on Obama-McCain. But, Obama needs to avoid focusing too much on Palin or being overly negative towards her.
PS. As this site is overwhelmingly pro-Obama, it seems to draw an overreaction from trollish McCain supporters. So, we're in desparate need of sensible McCain supporters to make it interesting and avoid being an echo chamber. I hope you continue to comment, FloridaGOP.
FL GOP... it's not a winning position to say "Vote Palin, because the Dems will control her extremism!"
PALIN screws WOMEN!!
--Charges each of women of Wasilla, through the Police dept $300-$1,200 for rape test kits, when she was Mayor!!
-- Sarah PALIN Bans books that do not agree with the Sarah Palin that says Jews will NOT be saved unless and until they convert to Christianity and accept Jesus!!
-- Sarah PALIN now steals $14,000 from the people of Alaska for 312 nights she stayed in HER OWN HOME!!
---Sarah PALIN bought and paid for by the Southern Oil Industry MEN!!
Sarah PALIN supports RAPISTS over the VICTIMS!!
Sarah PALIN willie horton AD now in the works by 527 groups!!
Let's contribute to those 527 groups!!
Sarah PALIN will take the women of America back to the dark ages!!
FloridaGOP said:
"my point is that I do not want heavily partisan reporters asking candidates anything"
Hmmm...Did you see the ABC Democratic debate, aka the Gibson / Stephanopoulos smackdown of Obama, or Gibson's super softball "interview" of McCain recently? I'd say 'ol Charlie is firmly in the the Republican's pocket.
PALIN supports rapists over the raped women!!
Based on her time as Mayor Of Wasilla!
Sarah Palin's record of supporting RAPISTS!!
Sarah PALIN and her Church HATE JEWS!!
comparing the association attacks of ayers, rezko, & wright to the REAL CORRUPTION of Sarah Palin is mind boggling. do you right wing lunatics really think those things are comparable? the ayers story is COMPLETE BS. he was on the same board as him. Same with rezko, it's comeplete BS. and Wright? Have you seen Palin's church? They are nuts. And the difference is, Palin is really into that nonsense.
Obama "What Kind" ad focusing on Education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXb_ZXbIsi0
Sarah PALIN ripped out Alaskan Taxpayers and billed her taxpayers for 312 nights for Staying IN HER OWN HOME!!
Please can I get that deal, PLEASE!!
Let's all bill our employers for staying in our home!!
Sarah PALIN the fraud!!
I'm thinking that Palin is polling at her highest right now because most people still don't know anything about her other than what she's claimed. It always drops eventually....just as Obama's and McCain's favorability ratings dropped since June. Negative ads tend to work that way....that's why everyone uses them.
A few more unscripted flubs like her absurd Fannie/Freddie comment yesterday and more ads about her record will do the trick. I give it another week before her polls start to fall. I also like the Obama campaign not being wishy washy on this and calling her statements flat out lies about her own record and his, rather than using evasive language.
Quantman, we get it. Palin is bad. You preaching to the converted already. Go to Politico.
I find the Washington Times story not particularly scandalous. Her expenses are lower than previous governors have used. It does throw a little stain onto her white small-government-vest, but next to the bridge-to-nowhere it´s unimportant. I think the hordes of reporters are now coming back from Alaska, to roost.
Hoping Gibson is reading his own network's research on Palin:
new article upon ABC:
'Palin's Religion Energizing GOP Faithful'
Palin's Faith Permeates Her Personal and Public Life
By JEREMY HUBBARD and MARK MOONEY
Sept. 9, 2008
@ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5759555&page=1
"It is clear that her deep religious faith permeates both her personal and public life. She even preaches at times in her home church, the Wasilla Bible Church, a low-key congregation that sits on folding chairs in a large new church down a dirt road at the edge of town.
In Palin's sermons, she sees the hand of God guiding or endorsing public policy matters that range from the war in Iraq to economic development.
...
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people in companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she preached in church. "I can do my job, but really, all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
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Her religious views have shaped her beliefs on such hot button issues as abortion, gay marriage and evolution. She is opposed to gay marriage and believes creationism should be taught in school.
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Palin also favors teaching sexual abstinence in schools instead of sex education."
it is no wonder that Koch called her "scary" because she is !
@anothermike
Thanks for the compliment, As noted, I grew up in a diverse political family. Underneath, I love my Union Organizer/Union Negotiator progressive sister. We do have sharp exchanges.
This is a great site, the best I have found. I feel more comfortable with a diversity of views. If you say something stupid, you get attacked, but most of the well known bloggers are fair. There are many right wi ng trolls who hit and run. I tend to ignore them. but if you need me to attack them , let me know.
Above all, I appreciate Nate and Sean. They carry the load.
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