St. Paul delegates are giddy with Sarah Palin’s speech. The mood is buoyant, enlivened, energized. It’s a party. There are revelers. The faces shine with joy and pleasure at a convention finally fully underway. Their VP nominee did it – she hit it out of the park. There is joy in Mudville, here on the ground.
And it worked wonders – for the Dems.
In the past several hours, Dems I’ve spoken with and who’ve flooded my inbox are energized. A woman friend and Democrat who had not worked for Obama’s campaign: “I am volunteering tomorrow.” An Obama organizer who was operating on fumes five months ago: “They are not getting away with this. 10 hours of call time tomorrow.” A shorter read of the mood: “Let’s get it on.”
The mockery went too far. They played the “Obama doesn’t love America, just himself” card, over and over and over. For people already inclined to believe that (i.e., the hardcore Republican base), the speech was a smashing success. Maybe they will work a little harder, volunteer a few more hours, dig a little deeper into their pockets. But so will partisan Dems, who are far more plugged into watching the election coverage.
So my reaction: St. Paul loved this speech… and so did Chicago. Palin swung for the fences, mocking the very notion of community organizing. So did Giuliani. This was the day after “Service” was the theme, and Republicans fell all over themselves praising their party’s commitment to give back to the community. Jarring.
Fire up both bases equally, it’s not even close. Obama wins going away. In 2008, there are so many more Democrats, numerically.
So, everyone on both partisan sides has reason to celebrate tonight. Republicans can celebrate a true champion in the VP role. Dems can celebrate because the numbers don’t lie, and no energy occurs in a vacuum. Republicans can’t tie this year.
9.04.2008
A Great Speech, For Both Bases
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Another commenter referenced this in the last post, it's a classic Obama line and definitely should be in our thoughts:
"When you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from."
Well, that's obviously sexist.
Didn't watch the speech, haven't read the comments, apart from Nate and Sean's analysis. Apparently she gave a partisan red meat speech for a partisan red meat crowd (including the conservatrolls on this site). Whoa! Shocker!
A couple of things worth considering...
1. Rudy 9iu11ani overran with his speech and the RNC had to ditch Palin's biographical video. HUGE MISTAKE. These videos, at least in the short-term, help to define the candidate and endear them to the watching audience. Given the negative headlines of the past few days, the last thing Palin needed was to re-introduce herself with a angry, nasty, partisan speech that'll mostly appeal to the base. Sweetie, the base were already in the tank for you.
2. At least politically, Palin is now fair game for Obama and Biden. Their line of attack wasn't clearly defined before tonight. She just opened herself up to multiple attacks, begining with her lying to a national audience regarding the "Bridge to Nowhere". But it's extremely important for the Obama camp to go full-on negative defining her as a corrupt, lying extreme right-wing nutball in the minds of the American people.
3. The MSM have made it clear they intend to once again pander to McCain. They'll likely drop all vetting of Palin from now to Election Day.
4. Colin Powell's endorsement of OBAMA is an absolute certainty now. I'm wondering if they should roll him out on Friday morning or next week. hmmm...?
Great move by Obama going on O'Reilly. Perfect timing. McCain better hope the public are dumb enough for him to get a bounce out of this.
God, I hope you're right!
I *HATE* this woman worse than any politician I have ever seen.
I never even felt such a gut-level disgust for W, even with all his crimes against humanity. I feel more of a contempt for him.
Palin, though. Yes, I hate this woman. And we must do everything to make sure she doesn't come near the presidency.
Well, that's actually more than a couple, but what the fuck.
I had three immediate reactions to Palin's speech. First, the McCain campaign has given up on the swing voter- or at least on the idea that Sarah Palin can appeal to the swing voter. Second, she did nothing to try to establish herself as Presidential. And third, the Republicans have just lost the election. In 2008, there is literally nothing the Republicans can do to win a get-out-the-base election. George W. Bush has given the Democratic base more motivation than any other person ever could.
After trying out four or five different strategies in the last few weeks, the McCain campaign seems to have settled on the one strategy that cannot possibly win.
I agree completely. I was indignant and very fired up as an Obama supporter to have my candidate attacked and denigrated that viciously. This was a speech to the base, very personal attacks on his patriotism and that he does what he does for self interest rather than what's best for the country. Except this is what they ran in 2006 and they lost overwhelmingly. Cynicism or Hope? Hope usually wins.
Back in April, writing about the 2008 US Presidential election, I said that:
"In some ways, I think this is identity politics in reverse: many suburban voters who might consider themselves moderates now associate the republican party, (however unfairly), with some of the worst stereotypes of rednecks."
And then I went on to write that if John McCain goes into scorched earth tactics against Obama, it might possibly win this cycle...but would just deepen the hole the Republican Party finds themselves in. And Sarah Palin deepened the hole.
Thankfully, the McCain campaign did not try to play the race card. Instead they played the "elitist" card...which, in terms of education, Obama actually is. Obama has been educated in two Ivy League universities. I am not saying that it is not possible to get a good education without going for a "name" university, but I think it is obvious that Obama is much, much better educated and sophisticated than Sarah Palin is.
So when Sarah Palin gets the base going by attacking someone because they worked hard and made education a priority...what is that going to do for the parents who have stressed education (and sophistication) to their children? What will those same children, who are in undergraduate and graduate school right now, think when they grow up?
They will associate the Republican Party with the jealousy, envy and BITTERNESS of someone who got a BA in journalism from a state school in Idaho.
I wasn't planning to donate, but after hearing her speech, I just gave Obama the maximum I possibly can.
She mocked community organizing. She mocked those who help those who cannot help themselves. Nobody who follows and believes the teachings of Christ would do this. Community organizers are responsible for everything from safe housing to civil rights to the 19th amendment. She would not have been on that stage without the work of community organizers and activists.
How dare she.
Well, I was already going to go volunteer for Obama tomorrow for the first time, but Palin just added fuel to my fire (as well as Bush's "angry left" comment). I can no longer stand by and only vote. I MUST convince others to vote for Obama. McCain/Palin make me worry about the future of the country.
I've heard some great things about the ground game here in southern New Mexico. As I understand it, Students for Obama has set it up so that there is a person on each dorm floor at NMSU to make sure the students vote. I think that is pretty amazing.
I just made my first general election donation for Obama after tonight. Tomorrow I'm going to work the phone banks for the first time.
Palin's lies about her record and Obama were disgraceful.
I've been reading that a lot, that as result of her nasty speech, people are donating to Obama. It's probably just talk, though.
It doesn't seem the speakers tonight lobbed anything at Obama that'll stick. The Republlcans are lucky they got their free airtime of negative attacks back, but their attacks have no substance - just like the negative ads throughout August. Like I said, McCain better hope it has an immediate effect on the polls.
It's not just talk. I donated 50$ tonight to the Obama campaign. My first campaign donation ever. And then I signed up for phone banks for tomorrow.
I already said this on the other thread, but I can't sleep. I'm pissed!
I just maxxed a card for Obama. I'm staring at another and wondering when/if my bonus comes in this year (darn Bush economy). I hate doing phone banking, but I sure as hell will now. I'm also wondering how far I can push Obama cheerleading at the next family gathering. I haven't been this fired up since, well, ever.
I might be in the minority right now but im not TOO concerned at the moment. Look over at CNN and over 3000 viewers have rated the speech an 'F'. Also, think about it. Mccain was trailing Obama by 6 in the daily tracking polls and he was bringing in 90% of the R vote. If independents who flipped towards Obama go back to McCain then Obama never had a chance in this election. MY guess? I believe Obama will be at about 48-50 and McCain at around 44-46 when it's all said and done. Not a lot of room for growth for McCain. If anything after tonight moderates and independents may balance out his potential gains
Classic.
You guys had your convention last week and this woman has you more fired up that Obama did. Ha! You're gonna lose. Hatred doesn't win an election (see 2000 and 2004).
And guess what? The Reps still have one night to go! In two nights they have generated more buzz that the Dems did in four. And when McCain pulls out a gem tomorrow night, you'll be spitting teeth from anger.
I feel like the emperor in Star Wars: Yes, I feeellll your anger. Let it grow. It makes you powerful.
Ha! Ha! You all suck and so does your candidate. Get madder and more crazy. It's sure to work!
Oz.
Mordy said...
It's not just talk. I donated 50$ tonight to the Obama campaign. My first campaign donation ever. And then I signed up for phone banks for tomorrow.
Good. Her ranting and raving must have been pretty shocking.
CNN has a quick poll on the side, Palin's Speech: thumbs up, thumbs down, didn't watch. So far, thumbs down is in a slight lead.
Not exactly overwhelming, is it? But of course, Wolfie and his ExxonMobil cronies likely hailed it a Home Run. They kinda let the cat out the bag tonight by discussiing those state polls with Mark Halperin. At on point I laughed at John King whwn he said Obama only needs 27 Electoral votes to reach 270....and one of the states that'll help him get there is Michigan. He actually had it as a toss up.
I think your are dead on with this. While alot of Obama supporters want to see him leading big time in the polls over the next couple of weeks that could have made alot of the young and college voters think he "had it in the bag" and wouldn't go out and vote... and yes I am thinking mostly the college crowd and younger voters with this. But if the race tightens up and if McCain even comes out a little ahead after the RNC I think the Obama team will try even harder and put most of their focus to have the "youth vote" actually vote and they will in larger numbers than they would have if the preception was that Obama had already won right before the election.
There needed to be something to energize the Obama "ground game" and the youth vote. I think tonight was what was needed.
It may look like a game changing night for the Republicans and in some ways it is for them...but maybe not in the way that they might think (in the long run).
All I got to say is that McCain better give the speech of his life tonight. If he stumbles with words like he has done many times in the past all the good Palin did could go away pretty quick. This is a make or break speech for him. If he has a major gaffe during his speech it will be tough for the media to let him off the hook as they have countless times in the past.
Ouch.
Well at least we know where Palin is coming from.
She is anti-education (elitism).
That explains why she let her daughter quit school.
If my Daughter chose to have a baby at 17, I would tell her that no way is she copping out.
She can take a few months off but that is it. Baby time comes AFTER she has finished her homework. And that would go for the Boyfriend too.
They want to get Married, great, but they can have the baby back AFTER college.
porridgegun;
Not exactly overwhelming, is it? But of course, Wolfie and his ExxonMobil cronies likely hailed it a Home Run.
My God, you may be the stupidest person I have ever encountered. The press has been carrying BO's water for the last 5 days in a rabid pack at Palin and her family. They are scared tonight that they over played their hand and are wondering what to do. And you, idiot, think that attacking them is a good idea! I agree, attach away nutrooters.
You are going to give the media the excuse they need to turn on you. The offer the slightest compliment, obvious to every non-rabid partisan as deserved, and you'll hang them for it. And they will use that hatred on your part to justify looking at BO with renewed intensity. And you'll get more pissed off and they'll look harder at BO.
I cannot believe you guys are this friggin' stupid. It's like you don't really care about the election; you just want to thrive on the hatred. Well good luck to you.
Oz.
As about "Obama running for self-interest", I guess it's time for the Democrats to start pointing out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKj5Wx1DbY
I had to reach down for the fifty I donated after Obama's speech, but Sarah & Rudy just got another hundred out of me. The hubris and arrogance of these morons is a call to arms. We need to not only beat McCain - we need humiliate him so badly that the Rovian approach becomes synonymous with political suicide.
Hey Oz - how much have you sent to your boy McCain?
the media will spin mccain's speech as a home run, but it won't be...she sounded like a cross between Marge from Fargo if she were off her meds, and the nastiest, snidest "mean girl" from the hick high school. I mean, the media fawned all over her, but I am curious to see what the polls show over the next few days...
jason;
There needed to be something to energize the Obama "ground game" and the youth vote. I think tonight was what was needed.
What was last week for? Looks to me that the BO's convention may have been an EPIC FAIL!!!1!1!
All I got to say is that McCain better give the speech of his life tonight. If he stumbles with words like he has done many times in the past all the good Palin did could go away pretty quick.
So, no you are setting McCain's bar as being as a good a performer as Palin. Did you see Saddleback? What will tomorrow's excuse be?
I recommend you all have a brew before watching. You'll need something to steady your nerves and prevent stress related fatalities.
Oz.
As someone who grew up told to buy into GOP ideals I've found that GOP doesn't equal conservative over the years and tonight its official.
Tonight I witnessed what I feel to be the first signs of honest to god fascism. Anti- Intellectual, Anti-Media, the whole Country first big. I was literally shaking after Rudy finished. Hell its 4 AM I'm still wired from it.
I can't sit back as an American citizen and say it is ok.
I'm signing up to do what ever I can for the Obama campaign. This is as the son of a McCain campaign chair in a Northern VA district.
obsessed;
how much have you sent to your boy McCain?
Not one cent.
Oz.
Oz: Didn't the emperor lose?
Anyway, to recap. Obama gave a speech, seen by 40-odd million people that fired them up, gave them a sense of purpose and hope and excitement, and greatly worries the Republicans.
Palin gives a speech that rallies her Christianist base, already more or less in the tank for the ticket since her pick the Friday before.... and re-energizes Obama's base, all over again, in a way that makes us feel like Obama just stopped talking a few seconds ago, with a healthy dose of hollywood-style, "This time, it's personal" thrown in the mix.
Palin already had Obama-haters and anti-intellectuals and creationists and pro-lifers peeing themselves in excitement. What the ticket wasn't facing was a sense of urgency and, well, raw need in the Obama camp that sure as sh!t is there now. I've got 2 political emails in the last hour from friends whom, like me, are up way the hell too late and are deciding now how much time to spend defeating McCain and how much time to spend defeating Prop 8. So many dragons to slay, so little time.
Thanks Palin. Now, I know why you need to be defeated.
evilmonkeyboy;
Credible testimonial there. Wow. So convincing. The National Enquirer and NYT may believe you. Make sure to leave them an email address so they can get a good quote.
Oz.
Uh oh Sean, you're not worshiping the New Republican Goddess© so you're gonna get slammed for being biased.
But, Sean's right. I've donated another $150 to Obama tonight. I saw plenty of comments in the last thread that Obama supporters have done the same. And the emails Sean is getting reflect this.
Here's something that I haven't seen analyzed. After tomorrow McCain is limited to ~$85 million for the next few months. But Obama is not. So what's gonna happen, say, after each debate or if there are more big scale attacks on a candidate. Will attacks on Obama literally pay dividends in monetary support? And how does it effect McCain to not have this advantage?
Food for thought, nonetheless.
Just donated for the first time to any campaign, ever. The speech was despicable. Sean's analysis is right - people who've never financially contributed have tonight and will tomorrow.
I can't wait to hear if Axelrod or Plouffe gives a rough amount of how much was raised in 24 hours after Palin's filthy speech.
Oh, and pissing of all the community organizers probably wasn't the most intelligent thing to do.
torrentprime;
Oz: Didn't the emperor lose?
Or did Luke and Darth Vader win by not giving into and letting go of their anger, respectively? I have little doubt that you will all maintain your rage.
Party time in Rep-land.
Oz.
how much have you sent to your boy McCain?
Not one cent.
Oz.
¿y por qué no?
Not sure if you got what I was saying. I think it would be for the best for Obama voter turnout if the race is close going down the stretch...at least for the young voter crowd that he is leading with and could make or break his chances. They are the voters that can easily find something else to do on election day if they think they don't need to vote because the preception is that he will win without their vote...that would be a mistake in my opinion.
And I personally think McCain will have a better than average speech. And it could very well be a "homerun" but even the most staunch McCain supporter has to worried in the back of their mind that he could make a costly gaffe. Go check out Youtube there are many examples of gaffe after gaffe by McCain during this election season. It's not a secret that he has had a hard time with speeches thus far. But I bet he will be on top of his game tonight for the record.
I was shocked by how mean-spirited Rudy and Palin's speeches were. And it was bad enough for them to make jokes about community organizing, but the delegates actually booed service!
How do you think that will look in an Obama ad? South Side Chicago residents talking about all of the good done by Obama's organization, about the leadership that he showed, book-ended by Rudy and Palin's smug comments and the audience booing. Now, who's elitist?
Lei'nad Rendies;
Oh, and pissing of all the community organizers probably wasn't the most intelligent thing to do.
Yeah, that's a prime block of swing voters.
Boooga! Boooga! Community organizers!
Oz.
obsessed;
Shut up? No, not yet. 60 days to go.
Oz.
Oz, I think I speak for everyone when I say:
You have a screen name, you don't need to redundantly sign your posts as though you are important
~Librocrat
ozjohnnie said...
What was last week for? Looks to me that the BO's convention may have been an EPIC FAIL!!!1!1!
(The !1! stuff cracks me up. I want to throw in some lol rotfl lol aol im in there to complete it)
Yes, Ozzie, it was a fail. That explains why Obama increased his lead over Cainer every day since the convention. (eyeroll). Unless you think that Palin had something to do with Obama's rise, since his lead has also increased since the pick. But that would mean you'd have to admit she wasn't the Gipper in a dress, as NRO posited tonight, and I don't think you can process that, so either Obama's convention led to his rise in the polls or the Palin pick did. You tell me.
Or, no, wait, let me guess. After tonight's speeches, I *do* know why Obama keeps going up in the polls. It's an east coast liberal elite media community organizer plot to game the polls. Am I right? Do I win?
Oz... they're the ones who actually get up every morning and accomplish things. Take however many organizers are, multiply their effect by 100 relative to the average voter, then consider the impact they'll have on others as they lobby for Obama.
Her speech was combative. She sounds as if she is talking about an enemy and not a Political Opponent.
She actually sounds like someone that would be vindictive. Her speech makes it easy for me to connect to Troopergate.
In my opinion, I don't only think she is a bad pick, I also think that, with her combative approach to things, she would end up being at daggers drawn with Senator Mccain in the next four years if they win the election.
Internal squabbles between the President and his Vice-President will definetely grind the affairs of states to a halt..
The Speech was written by President George Bush's former Speech writer (that gives me the creeps) and she was only asked to deliver the Speech, which I will say, she did well.
Anybody learned in Public Speaking would have done the same.
My disappointment is that in all the time taken to deliver the Speech, there were no mention of isuues of how, the ticket would take America from the pariah President Bush's has made it to eldorado.
The nucleus the Speech was an attack on Personality. That is not a way to run a respectable campaign.
Lindsay Lohan would have delivered it better. It was pure acting. It is crass despiration to hound on the emotions of an average American.
Come off it, though Obama isn't attacking Palin's family, he might as well be. This campaign has gone nasty for both sides.
Palin made this speech after days of attacks on her family, saying that a mother of five has no place being VP (doesn't sound like Feminism to me, feminism was about having it all, right? Can't fathers take care of Children?). That she shouldn't have had her downs syndrome baby. Attacking her daughter for being pregnant at 17.
You like to think that the Republican base is "tired" or some BS. These are the same people that won in 2004 and 2000, and these attacks on Palin's family energized them just as much as this speech energized you guys.
Also, Fascism, what the hell? Talk about down low attacks. That's downright histrionic and totally baseless. On what issues did tonight's speech demonstrate fascism, FISA support? Oh wait, Obama supports FISA as well.
I don't think the stuff about donating to Obama is all talk, but thinking that this energy on the democrat side is unique is mistaken. The Republicans are energized both by Palin and these foolish attacks on her family - and the media has been hitting her family hard. Sadly, the media trying to help Obama is backfiring, they're making democrats seem negative. I think, if anything, it will be the media that loose Obama this election.
Also, to community organizing, she didn't totally denigrate it, she just pointed out that Mayors carry more responsibility, which is a fact. :-/
Yeah, I know. Crazy that I might be inspired to turn my words into action? Hell I'm just getting into my political major. I don't need to convince you of anything. I'm voting for for GOP on a local level this year but the national platform and its representatives have spouted out some of the most angry, hypocritical, and down right untrue attacks I've seen.
Men and women like that don't need to run this country, we can do better.
I had been considering donating for awhile, but this pretty much seals it. There was just so much shameless hypocrisy, idiocy, and flat out lying that even just giving the opportunity for Obama's campaign to say "Hey, look at how much money people gave after they heard her" would be worth it.
Oh, and pissing of all the community organizers probably wasn't the most intelligent thing to do.
Yeah, that's a prime block of swing voters.
Gee Wiz Oz - I'm starting to get concerned about your drinking problem - that's like saying there're very few evangelist preachers with syndicated radio shows so there's no danger in making them all mad as hell.
jason;
And I personally think McCain will have a better than average speech. And it could very well be a "homerun" but even the most staunch McCain supporter has to worried in the back of their mind that he could make a costly gaffe.
Without a doubt that is true. It is a great fear.
I couldn't stand McCain for years. His 'Gang of 14'. His 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform'. His 'Campaign Finance Reform'. They all drove me up the wall.
But this year? McCain is a man who goes for the throat and for the first time ever he's chewing the a Dems throat and not his own party's.
I may have fear of a gaffe, but I have every confidence that McCain will not fail. He is a man of overwhelming character. A man who has faced evils and pressures far greater than this this speech - and he has overcome them.
He will deliver. And it will be awesome. And I will cheer. And I'll wonder why he didn't do this before. But he is the Maverick and this is his year.
God knows how it happened, but the Reps nominated the only guy that could win and the Dems nominated the only guy that could lose. Ironic.
Oz.
Fascism = telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body, even when she's been a victim of rape or incest.
Oz -
You just don't get it. The insult about community organizers isn't a stinging insult for Obama supporters because he was once one. What she did was equivalent of mock nurses, EMTs, youth minister, police officers, teachers, big-brother/big-sister programs, and anyone else who makes an effort to support their community and help their neighbors. Do you not support these people? Do you agree that they are meaningless? Because that's what the GOP said tonight.
So, Oz, just so we're clear: You had a problem with McCain for a long time, but once he reversed every single position he had ever held on taxes, torture, drilling, anti-federalism amendments, I-must-be-tired-because-I-could-only-think-of-4-in-2-seconds NOW you support the man? A complete about face on multiple issues convinced you of his character?
tito;
What she did was equivalent of mock nurses, EMTs, youth minister, police officers, teachers, big-brother/big-sister programs, and anyone else who makes an effort to support their community and help their neighbors
Oh... so that's what a "community organizer" does. Then why do all those other occupations have names? Weird. If a community organizer was really a police officer, then I would expect him to use the title police officer.
But what do I know?
But yeah, I think that would be a good idea to say that community organizers are just like policemen or nurses, just without the... definition of actually doing anything. Could prove very convincing.
Oz.
Replying to norske-division:
"Come off it, though Obama isn't attacking Palin's family, he might as well be. This campaign has gone nasty for both sides.
Palin made this speech after days of attacks on her family, saying that a mother of five has no place being VP (doesn't sound like Feminism to me, feminism was about having it all, right? Can't fathers take care of Children?). That she shouldn't have had her downs syndrome baby. Attacking her daughter for being pregnant at 17."
Um, what? How in the world can Obama be held responsible for what other people say? Obama can't stop people from attacking Palin anymore than McCain can stop people from saying that Obama is a secret muslim terr'st.
That said, your claims don't match up at all with most of the MSM coverage I've seen. The stuff about her being a mother of five isn't about her being a mother of five, it's about being a PARENT of five, who already obviously have enough in their lives. I've seen nobody say that she shouldn't have had Trig, in fact I've seen many people (on both sides) commending her for sticking to her principles and not having an abortion just because it wouldn't be easy. What people criticize (other than Water Breakgate, and her flying when she clearly shouldn't've, for horrible reasons) is that she has such a young child, and with downs' syndrome, and she's practically abandoning it so she can run for Vice President. People aren't attacking her daughter for being pregnant at 17, they're realizing that Palin is pushing abstinence as education policy when she can't even get it to work with her own family
"Also, Fascism, what the hell? Talk about down low attacks. That's downright histrionic and totally baseless. On what issues did tonight's speech demonstrate fascism,"
Every single time she mentioned "KEEPING AMERICA SAFE". Threatening voters and trying to use fear as a motivator is something commonly associated with fascism.
"Also, to community organizing, she didn't totally denigrate it, she just pointed out that Mayors carry more responsibility, which is a fact"
Just a small question, did you actually watch the speech? She clearly said that she, as a mayor, had "actual responsibility"; strongly implying that a community organizer does not have "actual responsibility"
There's that of course but that was a debate I stay out of cause that goes on and on.
But I saw denouncement of a media, a denouncement of education, a making your opponent an enemy to the country(Country First), and I almost forgot about Romney and his morals rant.
It made me feel real damn uneasy, and I didn't have this feeling coming into it. McCain hasn't spoken yet so I'll reserve judgement on him on this issue but the party sickens me.
@torrentprime
"I already said this on the other thread, but I can't sleep. I'm pissed!
I just maxxed a card for Obama. I'm staring at another and wondering when/if my bonus comes in this year (darn Bush economy). I hate doing phone banking, but I sure as hell will now. I'm also wondering how far I can push Obama cheerleading at the next family gathering. I haven't been this fired up since, well, ever."
I would say volunteer rather than give more money. I doubt Obama would want you to skint yourself, whereas if you volunteer you get to keep the money AND feel that you're doing far more (and indeed, will be doing lots). I'd also have a serious thought about what if any people you know, close friends or family, who are voting for McCain/Palin, and try very hard to persuade them personally.
John McCain has been a professional politician for over a quarter of a century. His speech will be excellent.
I can't believe my girlfriends are still up, but they are. We all donated to my fundraiser page.
Go Obama!
For the descerning ones among you.
The link below is the New York Times editorial on the Speeches:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/opinion/04thu1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
torrentprime;
So, Oz, just so we're clear: You had a problem with McCain for a long time, but once he reversed every single position he had ever held on taxes, torture, drilling, anti-federalism amendments, I-must-be-tired-because-I-could-only-think-of-4-in-2-seconds NOW you support the man? A complete about face on multiple issues convinced you of his character?
Who said I supported him? I don't want BO to win that's for sure. Hell, my personal politics lose no matter who gets the office, because the Maverick has not flipped on torture, has not flipped on immigration, has not flipped on campaign finance. His drilling flip is appreciated, however. He has merely come to an understanding with his base that "at least he's better than Obama". Commonly referred to as a "hold your nose" vote.
So, the bargain is: I'll hold my nose if he plays as tough with the Dems as he has with the Reps all his life. McCain's holding up his end. It's the best I could hope for from him.
After he gets into office, he'll start chewing my throat again, but until then, I'll enjoy the ride.
(getting a hint as to what sort of fruitful attack BO could make yet? It's pretty simple, actually. Just let go your hatred.)
Oz.
This is hilarious. The GOP bus is headed for a gorge and everyone aboard is cheering wildly!
evilmonkeyboy;
It made me feel real damn uneasy, and I didn't have this feeling coming into it. McCain hasn't spoken yet so I'll reserve judgement on him on this issue but the party sickens me.
Your the son of a Rep party official and you're just now discovering the conservative platform? Man, I know it's tough to stay in character, but you fell out in only two posts!
Oz.
Oz
He did flip on torture, actually. And it didn't matter, because one of Bush's execrable signing statements made the whole exercise worthless anyway (who needs a congress when you have signing statements?).
And hatred is for the Christianists. Speaking as a very specific object and target of their hatred in particular, I've seen where that road leads you. I don't ever want to resemble that. I may hate what the GOP has done to the country, but I don't really hate a whole lot of people. Palin is just one more person to be defeated.
Comprehensive List of all things the Republicans do right:
@OzJohnnie
(getting a hint as to what sort of fruitful attack BO could make yet? It's pretty simple, actually. Just let go your hatred.)
The one thing Obama shouldn't, and won't do is the kind of petty vindictive attacks Palin launched. He's simply better than that.
I am amazed that Palin has gone on the attack so much. She has, by the sounds of it, burnt any pity or liking for her from anyone except her extreme base. By using Bushes scriptwriter she makes it even clearer that this will indeed be a continuation of the Bush years - except even worse.
Doesn't it worry anyone that such a vindictive, nasty person could become president?
Dare Nigeria
Thank you for the link. Good article. Copied and sent on.
Frankly, everyone's take on Palin's speech is 100% subjective at this point. The proof will be in the poll results over the next 1-2 weeks. I for one, am highly skeptical that this speech (as well as the others delivered today) will play well with those elusive independent and undecided voters. But, who knows? Maybe this is the kind of thing people want from their politicians. Hate, anger, resentment, snide remarks, etc.
One quick aside - Oz, you are 538s new Pete Kent - too caught up in your own personal GOP echo chamber to let any alternative views or perspectives in to your small little world. Seriously, do you have any credible analysis to offer other than your own delusional ramblings?
DaWolf - worry....WORRY?
Child, there is no time for "worry". What you should be seeing is motivation because we heard fighting words and we intent to fight by winning. We will win by action, not by combative words. Words are cheap.
One thing's clear: She's a divider, not a uniter...
@Smitty
What you should be seeing is motivation because we heard fighting words and we intent to fight by winning.
I'm British, so unfortunately I can't do anything (can't even contribute as a non US citizen: have tried persuading the one US citizen I work with to vote Obama but he's a Jehovah's Witness so won't vote).
I am, however, following this election extremely closely because I strongly believe that the US is the most important country in directing world affairs. I honestly believe that Obama is the most naturally gifted politican I've ever seen, and I just hope that the US is not stupid enough to vote in McCain/Palin. It's obvious from thousands of miles away that McCain is willing and preapred to say anything to get into power and that Palin is a right-wing nutter.
Nate's analysis is right on the money. While I was watching today, Guilliani was the first I noticed who insulted community organizers. I said to my wife, "That's going to backfire." Slamming volunteerism and good works is not a good plan -- it makes you look shallow, selfish, and mean.
But that was just Guilliani, not the candidates. So I figured it would probably get under the radar and not really be noticed in the MSM at large.
When Palin picked up the theme, slamming it not once but twice ... well, that's when I began to laugh because I knew they'd blown the election. It's all over from here on out.
Here's why you can't mock community organizers: Paul Wellstone, Caesar Chavez, Mother Jones, Martin Luther King Jr. Civil rights, workers rights, voting rights ... this is where it all started.
Imagine Obama's retort:
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"As you know, I've promised to give each college student thousands for tuition in exchange for volunteer work. If you invest in your community, then our country should invest in you.
"But Sarah Palin and John McCain seem to think that volunteering your time to help your community is something to be mocked and ridiculed, something without 'responsibilities.'
"And they just don't get it.
"Volunteering your time to help your community is taking responsibility for the lives around you. I am my brother's keeper. I am my sister's keeper. It's standing together as one community, one nation, not dividing ourselves into 'us' and 'them.'
"Responsibility does not come from a job. It does not come from an office. It is not a list of powers. It is not just what you can do.
"Responsibility is taking charge of what you must do.
"After eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney refusing to take responsibility for their mistakes while John McCain and Sarah Palin promise four more years of the same failed politics, this debate over responsibility is a debate I am eager to have, and it is a debate I will win."
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Okay, he'll be more eloquent than I am. :)
The key is that they opened a massive avenue of critique, something that makes caricatures like Montgomery Burns look a little too accurate. It makes it look like they just don't care.
And it's not going to play well.
Palin is a divider and her turf will be cultural issues, guns, gays, god, abortion and some tax matters.
Booing and mocking community service turned off at least 3 million people watching, if one third of them are undecided, that's not good. It was very dismaying.
McCain's speech tomorrow will take Huckabee's measured tone. If it's more strident than that, Obama will raise 100 million in September and stun the Republican Party into financial panic.
My girlfriend donated 10% of her monthly paycheck to Obama's campaign after watching Palin's speech. A lot of people gave. I'm volunteering tomorrow.
@ OzJohnnie
Fuck off, FReeptard. Even McCain is quoted as saying the MSM is "His Base".
Just another inconveniant little fact forgotten by those ignorant wingnuts. LOL
@Feba
Read my post...
I did not say Obama was attacking her family, in fact I stated exactly the opposite, I was careful to do so. You're treating me like a Republican pundit, it's insulting.
I'm just pointing out that these attacks on Palin's family are equally energizing to McCain's base as this speech was to Obama's base. This stuff about the speech being a game changer in favor of Obama is without logic, since this speech isn't the only thing on the political climate. Also check out Tuesday's new york times, three of the front page articles are about Palin's family. I don't watch a whole lot of TV, but I do read the New York Times, and that's what I saw there.
If attacks on Obama work to energize Obama's base, then attacks on Palin's family will do the same for "Family Values" voters. That's my entire point. Disregard it if you want. I realize that Obama is not orchestrating these attacks on her family, but the media and Obama are so closely associated in many people's minds that the effect is the same. That's one of the downsides of all the popular support Obama has been getting from the media.
@PorridgeGun
Hey, be careful to keep your time line straight. McCain said this back in 2000, when he was running against much more conservative people and he was much more moderate! A lot has changed since then. I seriously doubt even 30% of the MSM will be voting McCain this election.
@GameS
I think your comment is so spot on that if you don't mind I will borrow it and send it to my Obama group. You know the community organizers who are registering voters, talking to their neighbors and phone banking.
OzJohnnie said...
What was last week for? Looks to me that the BO's convention may have been an EPIC FAIL!!!1!1!
LMAO!!! What a fucking moron.
The Democratic Convention was used mostly to unite Obama and Clinton supporters. Any dipshit could see that. Clearly you're in the minority of dipshits. LOL
The Republican Convention HAS fired up and energized the Dems. Obama's support just got stronger, and you'll see a record breaking fund-raising month. Also, the Clintons are gonna be campaigning pretty hard down the stretch. Last week and especially this week confirms that. Any questions?
Btw, at least a 10 point bounce in Gallup constitutes an EPIC WIN. Do you want to see the other national polls released this week??? Of course you don't.
You're an EPIC FUCKTARD. Accept it.
@norske
the media and Obama are so closely associated in many people's minds that the effect is the same. That's one of the downsides of all the popular support Obama has been getting from the media.
.........
I seriously doubt even 30% of the MSM will be voting McCain this election.
remember that study recently on how the MSM coverage breaks down? Huge amount of anti-Obama, very little anti-McCain (and that covered a period when he made numerous gaffes).
@Feba
Regarding Fascism, let me politely suggest I think you're confusing fascism with a Hawkish stance. Winston Churchill was all about defending England, it was a huge priority for him, he talked about it constantly. Was he a fascist? No. Was he a total hawk? Yes. Hawks and fascists often overlap, but they are not the same thing.
@Norske
Winston Churchill was all about defending England, it was a huge priority for him, he talked about it constantly. Was he a fascist? No. Was he a total hawk? Yes. Hawks and fascists often overlap, but they are not the same thing.
Churchill is famous for the second world war (he'd done loads before, but that was his prime time). During that time his most famous speehes did not attempt to split the country in half, but to unify the country. He never attacked education, or volunteering.
There is simply no comparison between the speech from last night and any of Churchills great speeches, none at all.
@DaWolf
You have a link for that study? Or journal and issue information (I've got a good college library nearby).
My subjective impression is that the media, at least the New York Times, is leaning Obama in their coverage. Their political donations are vastly stacked in favor of Obama (about 10 to 1). If you're talking about the study that said 72% of media statements about Obama are negative, then you need to look at that one in perspective, the media is constantly negative, because that gets ratings. I don't think that reflects an anti-Obama bias unless you divorce it from the source (which is strongly negative in its coverage of everything).
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@norske
here's one link that references it, by the sounds of it you already know about it. Your comment that the media is constantly negative is not supported by the facts as they are far more negative on Obama than McCain
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,2066363,full.story
"During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.
Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center."
@DaWolf
Ok? You're the one who made that comparison, not me. I was trying to make a point about being a Hawk vs. being a fascist.
Anyway, Churchill didn't divide England, you're right. England got BEHIND Churchill. His stance was the SAME the whole time, from even before the war. He didn't get support by being bipartisan, he got it by being staunchly against any compromise, and eventually he got the English to agree with him. Read up on the "May cabinet crisis" - the English government was on the verge reaching a compromise with Hitler, but Churchill was against it, in that sense he was totally partisan. In the end the other parties took his line. He barely moved an inch.
Enough of that tangent - it has almost nothing to do with today's political climate. Equating Arab extremists to Nazis really isn't a good way of framing the political debate for us (democrats I mean).
Again, my point had nothing to do with making bad analogies to 1939, the Nazis or Churchill, I was just trying to define a word.
@DaWolf
Oh, the study is even less conclusive then I thought. It covered two weeks. Hardly a large study on all of the media. The two weeks prior to that found the media favored Obama by over 20%.
A bit short of a time span.
Anwyay, I'm getting off topic. My point was that the media is perceived as preferring Obama (I still think they do, look at who they donate to), so attacks by them on Palin's family are not helping Obama. Instead they energize McCain's base, so my point stands.
Hee hee hee.....why am I not surprised that liberal extremists would be throwing a tantrum over the speeches tonight? There's an old saying that most people don't get bothered by something unless it happens to be the truth.
Nice try to spin it, Nate, but I think you are embracing wishful thinking. Your partisanship is clouding your objectivity and it makes me wonder how far that is extending. I mean...a house edge when things aren't going well for your candidate? One starts to wonder.
My subjective impression is
worthless.
@Norske
I agree wtih you that Churchill wasn't anything close to a fascist.
I'm less convinced that Palin is a long way away....I'm not talking in terms of racism (she's married to a part eskimo after all), but in terms of the whole Cartman "You WILL respect my Authori-tay" type thing, coupled with the wish to ban books she disagrees with. I get the feeling from her that she has very few grey areas and is so black and white that given the chance she would have little compunction in firing anyone who isn't an ideological supporter of her's, showing intenese personal loyalty (after all, she's done it before...more than once as well).
Those are symptoms of dictactorial governments, both extreme left and extreme right. However, she very much strikes me as on the extreme right of things. On the political spectrum, that puts her much closer to fascism than say libertarianism and would explain why she seems to have such a personal hatred of liberalism.
A very dangerous woman.
I still think they do, look at who they donate to
One might hope that, given how thoroughly this fallacious argument has been refuted, the morons who make it might abandon it, but then they wouldn't be morons. Coverage isn't determined by a vote of newspaper staff.
HAHA. Be fired up Liberals.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE UNITED. THAT IS NEVER GOOD.
BE SCARED! BE SCARED!
MCCAIN PALIN 2008!
btw, just to re-emphasise - I am NOT calling her a fascist. Just saying that on an ideological spectrum she comes much closer to that than the vast majority of people.
She would, seriously, scare me as President of the United States, far more than Bush who I consider corrupt and inept....
I have a debate going on in my head right now. What exactly did Palin do last night.
Part of me says home run, she introduced herself to the base, she energised the GOP, and may have got some good lines in for the heartlands.
Part of me says 2 base hit, a good start, but not the big shot, didn't close the deal for anyone who wasn't already convinced.
Part of me says a foul ball curling out over the wrong side of the post (think Carlton Fisk 1975 but going the other side of the poll)- looks good for a long way, but misses the mark
Part of me says flyball to center field- (you have to remember that politics happens slower than baseball, and at the moment we are watching the ball leave the bat) I think there was much for Dems to get there teeth into in this speech, and they have been waiting for days to have something to attack Palin on. now they have some meat and can attack at will on policy positions and on her attitudes.
Imagine Obama's retort:
We don't have to imagine. Here's the email already sent out:
I wasn't planning on sending you something tonight. But if you saw what I saw from the Republican convention, you know that it demands a response.
I saw John McCain's attack squad of negative, cynical politicians. They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.
But worst of all -- and this deserves to be noted -- they insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process.
You know that despite what John McCain and his attack squad say, everyday people have the power to build something extraordinary when we come together. Will you make a donation of $25 or more right now to remind them?
Both Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin specifically mocked Barack's experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago more than two decades ago, where he worked with people who had lost jobs and been left behind when the local steel plants closed.
Let's clarify something for them right now.
Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.
And it's no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.
Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America's promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it's happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.
Meanwhile, we still haven't gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.
It's now clear that John McCain's campaign has decided that desperate lies and personal attacks -- on Barack Obama and on you -- are the only way they can earn a third term for the Bush policies that McCain has supported more than 90 percent of the time.
But you can send a crystal clear message.
Enough is enough. Make your voice heard loud and clear by making a $25 donation right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/fightback
Thank you for joining more than 2 million ordinary Americans who refuse to be silenced.
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
Ozjohnie, honestly, last week did everything it was meant to for the Democrats. The base was already fired up. (look at fundraising numbers, and nate's pieces on the ground game on here). Now they have something to run against as well as run with. Thats a bad combination this year for the Republicans this year.
I think the other thing worth thinking about is how much buyers remorse is there out there for 2000 and 2004, how many people who regret voting for Bush twice, and don't want to vote GOP this time. I don't suppose there are too many people thinking I voted for Gore and Kerry but now I have changed my mind. I think especially there is buyers remorse from 2004.
@markymark
I think the other thing worth thinking about is how much buyers remorse is there out there for 2000 and 2004, how many people who regret voting for Bush twice, and don't want to vote GOP this time. I don't suppose there are too many people thinking I voted for Gore and Kerry but now I have changed my mind. I think especially there is buyers remorse from 2004.
I was thinking about this, and especially in terms of death. The average age of death is something like 75. So going from 18, that's 57 years. A new group of voters have appeared - 4 years worth, or ~ 1/14th of this. Similar amount die, another 1/14th. The amount that are new are voting maybe 75% Obama, the amount that dies what 75% Bush? Purely on it's own that works out as a 1/28th swing, or around 3-4%. In addition, immigration - largely hispanic (not sure of the numbers of this), but hispanics are polling at around 2:1 Obama:McCain so any extra boost there is likely to be in Obama's favour.
So without people from Kerry 2004 switching to McCain 2008, McCain is automatically behind the 2004 curve quite significantly. If the switch has been the other way (highest negative approval ratings ever) then he's got a mountain to climb.
I like the way that Obama was polling behind "generic democrat" and McCain ahead of "generic Republican". So what do they do? Obama makes himself more "Democrat" and McCain makes himself more "Republican"! Win/Win for Obama right there.
At least, that's what it feels like from here...
Guess Who Came to Dinner. As just a small case in point in support of Sean's interpretation, for the last several years I've participated on a small, by-invitation-only news and opinion discussion board of liberals-progressives. We suffered together through the 2004 election, got some satisfaction from the 2006 election, and were anticipating the end of the Bush-Cheney rein of torture and mismanagement in 2008.
But something happened earlier this year: the Obama-Clinton divide. With the Clinton supporters outnumbered, they actually abandoned our board in April. We thought they might be gone forever.
When did they reappear? In the last two days. They're home again. And now they're sending money and volunteering time to the Obama campaign. We're united again against a common political foe.
Maybe the Obama people need to simply add a line to the end of Palin's speech - 'we approve this ad'
It may be the best fund raising speech ever. After I watched it I ran to my computer and made another donation to Obama.
McCain and Palin are coming across as a pair of inept whack jobs.
"Ban books she disagrees with"
All that I can find that backs this up is that at some point she asked for a constituent about how one would go about banning books. Never has she been on record saying she wants to ban books. If we're going to hold the moral high ground on being above making up lies and slander, then we need to be careful on this since it might turn out to be either an empty talking point by the libertarian it was taken from, or even worse a plant by the McCain campaign to bait Democrats into making false statements (Think of how Dan Rather was disgraced).
@Jqb
Wow, you've really changed my opinion. Calling me moronic and offering no evidence at all. Great way of convincing people (ahem)... I hope you're not working the phone banks for Obama.
I'm aware of groups like Media Matters, and yes conservative bias does exist. But Media matters does not refute the belief that the media has a liberal bias, it doesn't even TRY to, it specifically searches out examples of conservative bias. The academic studies I've read on the matter indicate a somewhat liberal bias in the media. This isn't surprising, people are human, and they tend to reflect their views.
Anyway, that's beside my point. Whether or not the Media is biased doesn't even matter AT ALL to the POINT I was making, which is how the coverage of Palin's family effects things. People think the media is biased towards liberals, that was my point.
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I've been reading that a lot, that as result of her nasty speech, people are donating to Obama. It's probably just talk, though.
Nope, not just talk. After Obama raised MI and FL to full voting rights at the convention, which I found very troubling for potentially causing chaos in 2012, I decided I'd still be voting for him but I wouldn't be donating any more.
Last night changed my mind. I just donate a few hundred more.
The right-wingers who are crowing that this is the exact same strategy as in 2004 are correct. Four years ago Bush inflamed the right for him, and the left against him, and he won. He knew he could throw big wet kisses to his base and big fuck yous to the left, because he had the numbers.
Looks like McCain is trying the same thing this year. One big difference: This time we have the numbers. No matter how inspired and mobilized the far right is, they can't catch up. There just isn't enough time. If he was going to go this route he should have started in March.
Just my opinion of course, and worth the paper it's printed on. (Hope somebody prints this page out.) All we know for sure is the next two months are going to be ugly.
Also have to agree with DaWolf: if Palin's speech makes you want to help Obama, please volunteer. That's how we're going to win.
3. The MSM have made it clear they intend to once again pander to McCain. They'll likely drop all vetting of Palin from now to Election Day.
After McCain/Palin more or less declared war on the MSM?
Not a chance.
Guess Who Came to Dinner. As just a small case in point in support of Sean's interpretation, for the last several years I've participated on a small, by-invitation-only news and opinion discussion board of liberals-progressives. We suffered together through the 2004 election, got some satisfaction from the 2006 election, and were anticipating the end of the Bush-Cheney rein of torture and mismanagement in 2008.
But something happened earlier this year: the Obama-Clinton divide. With the Clinton supporters outnumbered, they actually abandoned our board in April. We thought they might be gone forever.
When did they reappear? In the last two days. They're home again. And now they're sending money and volunteering time to the Obama campaign. We're united again against a common political foe.
They may be bitter but they aren't stupid. A VP Palin wuold be Hillary's biggest obstacle to becoming the 45th presidenct of the United States. Last night that obstacle just got ten times bigger.
I hope we'll see more of both Clintons now on the trail. Both have been mocked at the RNC by name, in the guise of applause lines.
I would suggest that noone gets over confident just yet. There is a long way between now and November. And the GOP dies have some potentially good shots at Obama- a number of speakers picked up the 'present' vote thing it seemed last night. I think the Obama camp needs to find somewhere to neutralise that. That could be his swift boat there. Personally it doesn't bother me, as I think legislators are within there right not to take a side on an issue. But if legislative experience is bad, then how come McCain has never run for Governor of Arizona?
A few things about the GOP convention so far. Anyone else notice how thin the GOP bench is right now? And how few new faces are being focussed on? This is not a big squad they have right now, even when they only have 3 days to squeeze them all in.
This was always going to be a tough week I think for McCain. He wants to run as the un Republican candidate, but he cannot hide this week that he is the Republican candidate. I genuinely don't think its only the incomoetence of the Bush administration people are angry about. The right direction/wrong direction numbers are also bad for Republicans.
Did anyone else snort with laughter when Romney was riling against the Eastern elites. Thats ex Governor Romney of Massachusettes lest we forget. Also do they really think thats going to work, Senator McCain has been in washington 24 is it now? years.
The GOP convention really does sound like it was scripted in about 1992. It is a party with some serious troubles. Its a clumsy analogy and not entirely accurate, but I would compare the 2008 GOP with the 1980 Democratic Party. I think the GOP really doesn't get how unpopular they are right now.
Oh also John McCain shouldn't wear Orange ties.
Indeed -- just made my first political contribution ever to the Obama/Biden campaign last night: $50.
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the sound of the Obama campaign fund today
Unfortunately, most Americans won't see the hateful speech tonight, and won't know that Palin attacked Obama and the Democratic base. They won't see the Palin that we the activists saw. What they will instead hear are the talking heads gushing over her speech about how well she did at unifying Republicans, and how she looked great going after Obama without into specifics. So, we need a multivariate response. A writing campaign to get the medias attention that they will lose our viewership / support. Continued door knocking, emailing, phone banking, etc. and Donations.
That speech is everything that's wrong with the Republican party. I signed up this morning to be a "Community Organizer" and volunteered for Obama.
Ring Ring. Ching Ching!
PS - Soon, she is going to be buried by the National Enquirer ala John Edwards
My wife and I were energized enough to give Obama a campaign donation after hearing Palin's speech last night. We've also decided to donate some time to his campaign. We vote for 3rd party candidates as often as the Democracts but this someone we really feel compelled to vote against.
Interestingly, I talked with a member of my congregation last night who said her parents, lifelong moderate Republicans who live in rural Ohio, had decided that the addition of Palin to the Republican ticket means that they will be supporting Obama. They voted for Bush in the last election.
Also, why has no one in the media outside of Cuyahoga county--at least as far as I have heard--mentioned the fact that Ohio's Democractic Secretary of State is going to make a big difference in the upcoming election. In 2004 the Republican Secretary of State more-or-less made certain that there were inadequate polling places in Cuyahoga county. The Democrat who's in office now will ensure that there's enough polling which means there'll be more votes cast in Cuyahoga which means there will be more votes for Obama...
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the attacks on community organizing. It happened several times last night and most times was spoken about as something unknown and not understood--essentially as foreign. It seems to me that that the Republicans are now trying to portray Obama as somehow different or foreign or other (all racial terms) but in a safer way.
Let's not pretend we saw something different from what we thought we saw. She delivered a good speech. If it had come from Hillary Clinton or perhaps Carly Fiorina maybe it could have had lasting punch, but this particular woman is an emptysuit. Yes, being Mayor of a small town with between 5-8000 people is not impressive and does not prepare you to be President. She's still completely unqualified for the opportunity for which she was appointed, the American people aren't that dumb. The GOP recognized they only know how to fight one way. Karl Rove's politics are stale and won't work this time. In the end, over the next 60 days, the GOP accomplished two things at their convention. They had a referendum on Sarah Palin and they fired up both bases. But John McCain didn't get to have a convention, the whole thing was a referendum on Sarah Palin. That will not help much in 60 days when people choose between McCain and Obama. They haven't offered any solutions to anything. The only exception is drill, drill, drill. Bottom-line,
I doubt this worked much in trying to win an election. I was initially hoping for a win, even if it was by 1 vote for Obama. Now, I'm hoping for a landslide in Obama's favor, so the Rpublican party realizes they need to change if they want to play in the big leagues anymore.
It certainly has energized liberal democrats. I was out to breakfast this morning and each table to my left and right were people who were really disgusted at the vitriol of Palin's speech last night. I and another friend sent in an anti-RNC donation to Obama this morning for the same reason.
That said, I also see two of my slightly right-leaning moderate friends (women by the way) who were undecided on McCain have said they really liked Palin's speech and are becoming convinced to vote Republican now. I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't think I can spin this as a huge mistake for McCain yet.
The RNC speeches sure inspired me too. Inspired me to donate money to Obama for the first time and to no longer consider myself a centrist (because that means I agree with the republicans almost half of the time), I will now call myself democrat for the first time.
I know some will attempt to call me the "liberal left" and thats why it fired me up, but that is not the case at all. I'm an independent, I used to vote straight-ticket republican, and even voted for Bush twice.
This kind of crap will not win votes, and it is not the politics America needs. The politics of yester-year, soon to end!
To use myself as an example of Sean's suggestion of a base rallying speech for both sides, I've been a semi-regular contributor to Obama's campaign since the primary season. I just donated a few days ago to beat the August deadline. I wasn't planning on giving right away, but after last night's disgusting display of divisiveness and contempt for the people of America, I donated again this morning. To anyone out there who has not donated, please do see in whatever amount you can afford. Obama's team should be hauling it in by the truckload following that shitfest.
I do have to say that donating again only brought my anger level down a little bit. I think I need to start volunteering for the campaign to fully cleanse myself of the vileness that tried to infect me last night.
While I'm here, I have a message for Senator McCain. Having just donated twice recently and with money being tight as always (the rent just went up $150), I really can't afford to donate again right away. Please don't make me feel this way again tomorrow. I can't afford to donate again so soon, but you may leave me with no choice.
OzJohnnie:
Your mind is obvious made up and you are beyond convincing, so I have no intent of responding to the content of your vicious posts. But I do have a bit of advice for you.
Studies have shown that people who have high levels of hostility die earlier than those who do not. (Bad for the heart and all that.) So my advice is, arrange your affairs and make your will.
Norske-Division:
(I am afraid this site is deteriorating. It's getting much Norse.)
This is in response to your comment about not finding much on the book banning. BTW, even asking about book banning is bad enough, and she obviously went a bit further than that, but she was forced to back down. Even asking the question rhetorically shows her "If it don't like it is shouldn't bea allowed.
I wonder whether in Sarah Palin's America I would be relegated to second-class (or worse) status because I am not a fundamentalist Christian. (Not a Christian of any sort.)
From the Wikipedia article on Sarah Palin:
In January 1997, Palin notified the police chief, Irl Stambaugh, and the town librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons that they were being fired.[22] Palin said in a letter that she wanted a change because she believed the two did not fully support her administration. She rescinded the firing of the librarian, but not the police chief.[23] The chief filed a lawsuit; but a court dismissed it, finding that the mayor had the right to fire city employees for nearly any reason.[24] According to Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who observed City Council, Palin also brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting, but did not follow through with the idea.[20]
This is the article referenced in footnote 20 above.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
WASILLA, Alaska — The world arrived here more than a century ago with the gold rush and later the railroad. Yet one aspect of American life did not come to town until 1996, the year Sarah Palin ran for mayor and Wasilla got its first local lesson in wedge politics.
The traditional turning points that had decided municipal elections in this town of less than 7,000 people — Should we pave the dirt roads? Put in sewers? Which candidate is your hunting buddy? — seemed all but obsolete the year Ms. Palin, then 32, challenged the three-term incumbent, John C. Stein.
Anti-abortion fliers circulated. Ms. Palin played up her church work and her membership in the National Rifle Association. The state Republican Party, never involved before because city elections are nonpartisan, ran advertisements on Ms. Palin’s behalf.
Two years after Representative Newt Gingrich helped draft the Contract With America to advance Republican positions, Ms. Palin and her passion for Republican ideology and religious faith overtook a town known for a wide libertarian streak and for helping start the Iditarod sled dog race.
“Sarah comes in with all this ideological stuff, and I was like, ‘Whoa,’ ” said Mr. Stein, who lost the election. “But that got her elected: abortion, gun rights, term limits and the religious born-again thing. I’m not a churchgoing guy, and that was another issue: ‘We will have our first Christian mayor.’ ”
“I thought: ‘Holy cow, what’s happening here? Does that mean she thinks I’m Jewish or Islamic?’ ” recalled Mr. Stein, who was raised Lutheran, and later went to work as the administrator for the city of Sitka in southeast Alaska. “The point was that she was a born-again Christian.”
For all the admiration in Alaska for Ms. Palin, her rapid ascent from an activist in the P.T.A. to the running mate of Senator John McCain did not come without battle wounds. Her years in Wasilla, her first executive experience, reveal a mix of successes and stumbles, with Ms. Palin gaining support from a majority of residents for her drive, her faith and her accessibility but alienating others with what they said could be a polarizing single-mindedness.
“She is an aggressive reformer who isn’t afraid to break glass, to bring change to Wasilla and later to the state of Alaska,” said Taylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, who declined to address specific aspects of Ms. Palin’s tenure as mayor. “Washington needs some of that.”
In Wasilla, Ms. Palin is widely praised for following through on campaign promises by cutting property taxes while improving roads and sewers and strengthening the Police Department.
Her supporters say she helped Wasilla evolve from a ridiculed backwater to fast-growing suburb. The population of about 5,000 during her tenure as mayor has grown to nearly 10,000 now, and the city is filling with big box stores, including a Target that is scheduled to open on Oct. 12, one of three opening statewide that day in the chain’s Alaska debut.
But her critics say too much growth too quickly has made a mess of what not long ago was homesteaded farmland.
And for some, Ms. Palin’s first months in office here were so jarring — and so alienating — that an effort was made to force a recall. About 100 people attended a meeting to discuss the effort, which was covered in the local press, but the idea was dropped.
Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.
Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.
In 1996, Ms. Palin suggested to the local paper, The Frontiersman, that the conversations about banning books were “rhetorical.”
Ms. Emmons was not the only employee to leave. During her campaign, Ms. Palin appealed to voters who felt that city employees under Mr. Stein, who was not from Wasilla and had earned a degree in public administration at the University of Oregon, had been unresponsive and rigid regarding a new comprehensive development plan. In turn, some city employees expressed support for Mr. Stein in a campaign advertisement.
Once in office, Ms. Palin asked many of Mr. Stein’s backers to resign — something virtually unheard of in Wasilla in past elections. The public works director, city planner, museum director and others were forced out. The police chief, Irl Stambaugh, was later fired outright.
Mr. Stambaugh lost a wrongful termination lawsuit against Ms. Palin. He did not respond to a request for an interview.
Ms. Palin also upended the town’s traditional ways with a surprise edict: No employee was to talk to the news media without her permission.
“It was just things you don’t ever associate with a small town,” Victoria Naegele, then the managing editor of The Frontiersman, recalled of Ms. Palin’s first year in office. “It was like we were warped into real politics instead of just ‘Do you like Joe or Mary for the job?’ It was a strange time.”
Ms. Palin, her critics note, was not always the fiscal watchdog she has since boasted of being. In her second term as mayor, she pushed for a half-cent raise in the local sales tax to pay for a $15 million sports complex. The complex is popular and a junior league hockey team plays there now, but the city recently had to pay more than $1.3 million to settle an ownership dispute over the site.
Ms. Palin also began annual trips to Washington to lobby for federal money for specific initiatives, including rail projects and a mental health center. Her running mate, Mr. McCain, has been an outspoken critic of these so-called earmarks and as governor Ms. Palin has sounded more like him, vetoing tens of millions of dollars of local projects sought by state lawmakers.
She is largely viewed as having had her hometown’s best interests at heart when she pursued big projects or an overhaul of city taxes. By the time she ran for re-election in 1999 — again facing Mr. Stein — things had smoothed out. She was returned to office by a large margin, 826 votes to 255.
Ms. Palin, who had campaigned promising to cut her own full-time salary, reduced it from about $68,000 to about $64,000, but she also hired a city administrator, John Cramer, adding a salary to the payroll.
Critics said Republican leaders installed Mr. Cramer, who was closely tied to a powerful local state lawmaker, Lyda Green. Ms. Green, who is retiring this year as Senate president, endorsed Ms. Palin in her campaign for mayor but became one of her biggest critics when Ms. Palin was governor.
Tensions did ease eventually in Wasilla, and Mr. Cramer is given some of the credit, supporters and opponents of Ms. Palin said.
“When I first met Sarah, I would say Sarah was a Republican, with the big R, and that’s it,” said Dave Chappel, Ms. Palin’s deputy mayor for more than two years. “As she developed politically, she began to see beyond the R and look at the whole picture. She matured.”
Just as Ms. Palin terminated employees on her way into office, she also let some go on the way out, including Mr. Cramer. When Ms. Palin completed her second and final term, in 2002, her stepmother-in-law, Faye Palin, was running to succeed her. It seemed like a good idea, except that Faye Palin supported abortion rights and was registered as unaffiliated, not Republican, people who remember the race said. Sarah Palin sided instead with Dianne M. Keller, a religious conservative and an ally on the City Council. Ms. Keller won.
“That was interesting,” Mr. Chappel said. “Faye lives up the street from me. I can’t really say much about that.”
[editorial comment: she rejected and opposed her step-mother-in-law for mayor over abortion and not being a registered Republican. The mayor’s office has no jurisdiction over abortions. The triumph of ideology Über Alles. So much for her family values.]
Whats anyone elses view to how Palin's speech compares to Obama's 2004 Convention speech?
I am not sure they compare at all. I really think History will view Obama's effort as one of the grewt American speeches. Go and watch it again if you have forgotten its impact. It was stunning. Palin delivered a good rallying the base political speech, Obama delivered a stunning American epic.
Any source on Colin Powell endorsing Obama?
I took an immediate dislike to Palin. If you read up on her political history you will see she is just a petty small town mayor who likes to use her power to punish those who don't jump to her tune. She will implode when her lack of character is revealed to the voting public.
I agree with this 100%. I was so pissed off at Rudy G and Sarah P's speeches last night that I went ahead and donated to the Obama campaign again. I'm more determined than ever to make Barack Obama our next President. We cannot have another 4 years of this kind of Rove BS.
I already wanted Obama to be President - what last night did was make me really really really REALLY not want John McCain as President. McCain himself never put me off as much as Sarah Palin did last night. That woman is DISGUSTING. One of the worst people in the entire universe. I HATE her. The McCain campaign now has their George W. Bush and her name is Sarah Palin.
hi from Canada...
I watched her speech last night and I was utterly disgusted...
She reaks of negativeness , sarcasm, lies and half-truths to score brownie points with McCain...
I have tried to donate to the Obama party but I cannot as I am from Canada but I do have friends in the States that I may wire money to to help him out ....
oh yea food thought.. here is an article that was in our media today...
Canucks swerve left
By THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA -- A new poll says Canadians are five times more likely to
pick Barack Obama than John McCain when asked who they would support if
they could vote in the U.S. presidential election.
The Canadian Press Harris/Decima survey indicates that 66% of those polled would select Obama, the Democratic candidate.
Only 13% would vote for McCain, the Republican
Similar to the lady referred to in the original post who has begun to volunteer, the GOP convention motivated me to donate, which even as an avid Obama supporter for 1 year+ now I've never done before.
Palin just energized our Central Florida campaign office more so than McCain ever did. Today people have been emailing/calling at record pace, asking where to go to volunteer. Its amazing how fired up folks are here on a Thursday morning in September. The office is just abuzz with smiling faces and determined resolve. Thank you Sarah Palin! I had the privilege of heading up to Kinko's this morning to pick up the last minute sign-changes for our community outreach this week:
'Community Organizers For Obama'
'Our Community Our Voice'
I say again, thank you Sarah Palin! Central Florida Democrats thank you too.
Yoiu know, this partisan bickering is so BORING for those of us who do not worship at the feet of the donkey or the elephant. Can we PLEASE stick to objective analysis as much as possible?
Is anyone on this site still interested in presidential polling? If so, there were several results today that look good for Obama:
IOWA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 55%, McCain - 40%.
MINNESOTA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 53%, McCain - 41%.
OHIO (CNN/Time):
Obama - 47%, McCain - 45%.
McCain also lost a point in today's Gallup tracking poll. Nothing about Palin's impact yet but that should begin to show up tomorrow or the next day.
Is anyone on this site still interested in presidential polling? If so, there were several results today that look good for Obama:
IOWA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 55%, McCain - 40%.
MINNESOTA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 53%, McCain - 41%.
OHIO (CNN/Time):
Obama - 47%, McCain - 45%.
McCain also lost a point in today's Gallup tracking poll. Nothing about Palin's impact yet but that should begin to show up tomorrow or the next day.
Is anyone on this site still interested in presidential polling? If so, there were several results today that look good for Obama:
IOWA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 55%, McCain - 40%.
MINNESOTA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 53%, McCain - 41%.
OHIO (CNN/Time):
Obama - 47%, McCain - 45%.
McCain also lost a point in today's Gallup tracking poll. Nothing about Palin's impact yet but that should begin to show up tomorrow or the next day.
I can't believe people are attempting to call the firing up of Obama supporters after Palin's speech "a failure for Obama".
Are you stupid?!
When you inspire people to spend HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS on the other guy (and in this Economy), and allow their camp to raise millions that quickly, we have a phrase for it: "Doing it wrong."
Palin the Puppet reminded Obama supporters what they were fighting for and against; it validated his claims, and represented their worst nightmares.
Obama inspired us to hope for better; but those speeches last night inspired us to fight for better.
To paraphrase Obama: This race isn't about him, it's about the American people. At least he gets it.
The speeches last night show just how much the GOP doesn't. You don't get much more out of touch then laughing at the work of community organizers. Wow....
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