9.02.2008

The Essential Difference

Think of an American president being inaugurated. What image comes to mind?



Almost certianly this one, eh?

This picture embodies what is perhaps the essential difference between the qualifications for the presidency and the qualifications for the vice presidency. In a perfect world, we would all like a president who is Ready on Day One (TM); it is not uncommon for a newly-elected president to face a major crisis almost immediately upon taking office. But more commonly, a president takes the Oath of Office under relatively calm waters, allowing them something of a learning curve.

On the other hand, when a vice president takes over for a president, the nation is necessarily undergoing a crisis, because the death (or resignation) of a president is perhaps as traumatic an event as can reasonably be imagined (in the "best" case resulting from a slowly-developing illness, and the worst, an attack by terrorists or foreign adversaries).

From Lincoln though Clinton, Americans have frequently been willing to gamble on a relatively inexperienced President, exchanging some assurances of near-term readiness for longer-term upside (what might be described as "vision"). But the optimal skill set for a vice president is somewhat different. "Vision" hardly matters; a vice president taking over for a president will not get to name his own cabinet, and will initially at least be left to execute upon somebody else's agenda. Instead, the readiness component is rendered more important.

I suspect most Americans grasp this on a gut level, even if they aren't quite able to articulate it. Which is why, to my gut instinct, I think Americans can feel sympathy for Sarah Palin, can believe she's the sort of person they'd want to have a beer with -- and still find her a detriment to McCain's case for the White House.

439 comments

Rhys said...

"This site is a bad joke."

That must be why you come here every day. LOL

""polite society."

Liberal douchebags."

Great, another ironymeter bites the dust. *sigh*

Antoine Clarke said...

Isn't Biden a bit old to take over from an assassinated Obama, or did you have a different point in mind?

Seriously, Ohio appears to have flipped by some 10%-15% in your projections over the past 48 hours, without any polling data for that state that I know of. Can we have a comment on that please Nate?

It does seem America is a nation of women-hating misogynists more than a nation of racists.

Mule Rider said...

Rhys,

Quit whacking your pathetic cock-and-balls to posters of Al Franken.

jqb said...

Bush vs. McCain:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/the-battle-between-mccain_b_123147.html

It's not schadenfreude if your joy comes not just from the pleasure of seeing others suffer but from the fact that it means blocking a pox on humanity.

jqb said...

It does seem America is a nation of women-hating misogynists more than a nation of racists.

No one hates Palin, nor are do they oppose her for being a woman, cretin.

And Mule Rider: every comment you direct at me just increases my cred, so keep 'em coming.

jqb said...


No one hates Palin


Except for Lyda Green, that is.

Mule Rider said...

It's a "bad" joke but it's still funny.

If I was to see Nate or any of you tweeters walking down the sidewalk, I swear I'd point and laugh until I wet my pants.

jqb,

You are the load your mom should have swallowed.

Rhys,

You are the load your dad should have pulled and splatted on the wall.

Lacey said...

You list TX as a likely GOP, I'm sorry but I would have to disagree. I have not run my own poll but every person I know in TX is a strict republican and would die before voting for a dem. I think the only way McCain is losing TX is if he personally insults every Texan that votes

jqb said...

And by false, I mean a lie.

Exactly my point, cretin.

Mule Rider said...

jqb,

Your credibility went the way of the VHS and cassette tapes.

jqb said...

so keep 'em coming

And so he did, on cue. Thanks, Mule!

jqb said...

every person I know in TX is a strict republican and would die before voting for a dem

Ever heard of Pauline Kael?

Mule Rider said...

jqb,

You are yet to make a cogent rebuttal. Just calling people "cretin" does not count. Your lack of witty responses shows what a douche you really are.

Rhys said...

"Quit whacking your pathetic cock-and-balls to posters of Al Franken."

Polite society. Gotcha.

jqb said...

I don't worry about "credibility" from a crowd who thinks 9/11 was staged and the Twin Towers imploded.

You're at the wrong blog, you stupid fucking moron.

Mule Rider said...

jqb,

You still prove you have absolutely zero cred...

Rhys,

I only stoop and wallow in the level of discourse that is offered by the vitriolic posters here. It's give and take. If you liberals are only capable of speaking in hate-filled insults, then I'm talking to you on a level you can understand.

jqb said...

Just calling people "cretin" does not count.

That's like saying that it doesn't count to call the sun "bright".

Mule Rider said...

jqb,

So you are admitting you are one of the complete morons who believes that conspiracy theory shit?

Oh my God. Now I'm really laughing.

You made my day, you pathetic steamy pile!

Mule Rider said...

"That's like saying that it doesn't count to call the sun "bright"."

Got anything better, hick? I'm getting bored here in this battle of wits against someone who is unarmed. You need to pull out something other than what might be heard on the playground by a couple of 2nd graders at recess.

jqb said...

So you are admitting you are one of the complete morons who believes that conspiracy theory shit?

Uh, no, you stupid fucking moron. Sheesh, you're even dumber than I realized. I must leave, but do carry on, making me look good in my absence ...

Mule Rider said...

jqb,

I thought your sister told you how much she didn't like you donkey punching her during your incestuous romps, you misogynist prick!

Mule Rider said...

Wow, this thread has gone down the crapper!

Rhys said...

"I only stoop and wallow in the level of discourse that is offered by the vitriolic posters here. It's give and take."

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

I noticed your incredibly obnoxious posts the day I arrived here and they haven't let up since.

More to the point, while other posters sometimes attack each other, you are the only one I have ever seen direct sexually explicit insults towards our host, who doesn't deserve it.

It's a testament to his respect for free speech that he allows you to spew your bile here.

AxmxZ said...

Don't make fun of Mule Rider, guys. He's clearly in the throes of some serious Hegelian pain - reality is turning out to have a liberal bias.

DCM in FL said...

Nate has a new post up on polling, but MULE HEAD is over there crapping on everyone & everything.

such a sad troll tool...

Sedi said...

If unertl's argument that this increase in support will be more-or-less permanent since it is coming primarily from Democrats, then the election probably becomes Obama's to lose. Even with the narrowing of the gap in party ID that Rasmussen is reporting -- and I'm not sure how confident to be in those numbers -- if Obama can bring in anywhere near 90% of Democrats he is virtually assured of winning. I'm not totally convinced that this isn't still just a bounce, but it is certainly plausible that this boost could be permanent.

Who vetted Palin anyway? There are so many questions out there right now that the attention isn't on the convention, as it should be, but is instead on the VP and her seemingly many issues. It's possible that none of them will be serious (though the AIP one has the most potential to be damaging, I think), but it's stepping all over the GOP's big week of free media. Gustav gets an assist, that's true, but McCain would be so much better off if he had picked Romney. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, I guess.

eve said...

I wonder how long the campaign can keep Palin from answering any questions from reporters? I am fairly certain that if they don't want McCain taking question, that they don't want her taking any.

Kali said...

"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war." Sarah Palin

this.is.certainty said...

kali -

Source? To my well-practiced ear that sounded too authentic to be a fabrication. :)

bjb1968 said...

Nice to see McCain's campaign calling the Obama team out for the lies an hate they (and many of you on this blog) have been spreading about Palin. The shear fear of true change is apparent from the Liberal rants we have seen since she was named..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

SouthernOntarioan said...

My unscientific poll of Hillary supporters up here shows that women reacted as to be expected to Palin's selection.

Sure, they know that its pandering, but if they could vote they wouldn't vote against her.

When I showed them some articles and clips attacking her (bad mother, Nazi connections, etc..) they changed their mind and said that if they could vote they'd now vote for McCain.

So.. go ahead Dems, keep attacking her as hard as you like. Maybe you'll even get her to cry like Hilary on camera... that worked out so well for you guys last time eh?

John said...

So.. go ahead Dems, keep attacking her as hard as you like.

Cut the crap.

EVERYONE knows that if the situation were reversed and Obama's VP had a pregnant, unmarried teenage daughter the McCain campaign ITSELF would attack non-stop until election day. That Obama AND Biden have both forcefully rejected doing so is a testament to their class and grace.

So please, enough with the pearl clutching.

beowulf said...

Bjb - I have seen you post the same thing three times now...tell us one thing about Palin that the Obama campaign has said or done that showed either hatred or a lie.

Marlon said...

I agree Nate!

When Luntz did those focus groups on the weekend, those elderly women were terrified of the idea of Palin being a heart beat away from the white house (and argued it passionately, to boot).

Unfortuantely for McCain, his age and cancer, makes the VP much more important than it's been in the past with other dolts for VP (Spiro Agnew, Quale, etc.).

McCain has now taken experience, and judgement of the table. And put his temperament and age, back on the table.

If you really wanna see/be scared about the Sarah Palin VP Choice, just think of this.

Who would you rather want sitting across from Putin, with their finger on the button? Would you rather want Obama, Biden, or McCain Palin, dealing with Putin and Iran.

mattw said...

Insightful.

JohnKanaka said...

The GOP realizes it is weak on this issues with a candidate that has done an about face on just about every issue, and their opponent, maybe a few.
What does this say about a once proud, competent party, the party of Reagan? Desperation. Let's drag out the eye candy Mean Girl cheerleader and watch the fireworks. Never mind the sub-prime scandal, global warming, healtchare issues ( because they know they suck at it!)

Facts are stubborn things, aren't they, Let's all take a look:

http://www.samefacts.com

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