Justin Wolfers isn’t buying the conventional wisdom on the VP shortlists, and he has some advice for traders: short the favorites.
It’s not that any of the candidates are specifically objectionable, says Wolfers. In fact, he agrees that the markets have the candidates in the right order. It’s a combination of history and behavioral economics. History suggests that surprise picks are not infrequent (he cites recent examples Quayle, Cheney, Lieberman), while behavioral economics points to trader overconfidence:
Compare this history of surprises with the fact that markets believe that they have narrowed the Democratic and Republican shortlists to four candidates – and, in each case, there is a greater than 80 percent chance that this shortlist contains the eventual nominee. Given the psychological evidence that traders are often overconfident, I think there is good reason to take these quantitative assessments with a grain of salt.
In other words, the markets are giving “the field” outside of each party’s top four CW options less than a 20% chance of coming in for a win.
For Dems, “the field” is anyone not Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius or Biden. For Reps, it’s anyone besides Pawlenty, Romney, Ridge or Palin.
On the Republican side, Wolfers notes that there is much less trade volume but doesn't elaborate on the implications. While I find Jay Cost's thoughtful analysis today on the urgency of picking Romney intriguing and find myself agreeing with most of its elements, I've long believed the advantage in seeing Obama's whole ticket before having to pick his own running mate is a strategic freeroll McCain should not give away. While there is only one legitimate historical example of a VP bringing in a state his party wasn't likely to have won otherwise (Muskie in 1968), VPs do contribute to an overall impression and narrative that applies over the whole electorate. McCain's strategic edge in selecting last, plus the instant ability to snatch the media spotlight 12 hours after Obama gives his nomination speech, is a one-time precious trump card that outweighs an extra week or two of attack dog mode from the VP.
If McCain picks last, the futures markets for his running mate will be affected by whoever Obama picks. For example, Sarah Palin's rise or fall in the markets will vary with whether Obama picks a woman first. If Obama picks Sebelius, that ticket's overall impression is "Big Change" and McCain is not likely to go with Palin. But if Obama gives him the wedge demographic opening by picking a safe, bland white guy like Bayh, McCain may go for the longshot Palin to bite into the Democratic base - its customary edge with women voters.
For my own gut sense, I have never been comfortable with the conventional wisdom surrounding Obama’s VP pick. There’s something nagging about it, and no hard numbers to support my feeling. Perhaps it’s the “think different” approach to many aspects of the campaign – the next-level social networking, the unprecedented 50-state massive organizer approach, the generalized no-leak culture among decision-makers, etc. It strikes me that in multiple important key ways, the Obama campaign has made conscious departures from the conventional wisdom norm.
For example, I don’t know if Nate’s right about the Sebelius shell game with Tim Kaine, but one key takeaway from that post is that Obama’s is a campaign capable of playing chess and deftly hiding its hand. So the market judgment that there's less than a 20% chance of Obama pulling a VP surprise feels wrong, and I agree with Wolfers.
I don’t want to ride this point too hard, because Obama has certainly engaged in many standard strategies and made plenty of conventional decisions along the way.
I guess it depends on where the starting place for the VP decision is. Imagine the circumstances when a VP would actually have to fulfill his or her most important job description – serving out Obama’s term if he cannot finish it. What character traits would that individual need to possess to rise to the occasion in such a moment? I think a rational person like Obama would have started here. In fact, maybe this is one reason Caroline Kennedy is a key part of the search team.
But we don’t talk about that; we create incredibly strange theories such as picking Evan Bayh would send a coded signal to Clinton supporters that because Bayh supported Clinton, it’s a symbolic proxy for extending Clinton voters an olive branch and uniting the party, even if Obama doesn’t pick Clinton herself. Since my internal compass tells me we’re not starting what I sense is the right starting point, it’s been difficult for me to embrace the conventional discussions about A thus B thus C thus Obama will select X.
I freely admit I could be wrong. But when Wolfers refers to history’s frequent surprises and points to the market’s likely overestimation of frontrunner chances, I confess I’m already primed to be receptive to that argument.

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As much as McCain threatens to pick Palin, it's not going to happen. Palin's got that cloud (scandal) over her head and true or not, McCain would be stupid to risk it. Fiorina on the other hand, may be possible, but I don't think she's very good at articulating McCain's issues. If it were any woman, it would be Meg Whitman, but, she's untested and untried on the political stage. For Obama, watch how his offshore drilling choice just influenced his VP.
Fiorina would be the best possible gift McCain could make to Obama.
Her tenure at HP was a complete and total failure.
I would definitely short Bayh. His hawkishness on Iraq makes him an unattractive pick for VP, and it would take a crucial Senate seat from Obama.
Hello Everyone,
I am a first time "commenter" and a full time "reader" of this web site. I just wanted to thank everyone for their informed political insights. This web site is a political junkie's (like myself) dream come true.
Like many here, I am an Obama fan. And as many other have recently asked here, can someone PLEASE poll the State of Indiana?
Thanks,
Bill
I'm a fan of the Sebelius shell game theory, but I'll confess that there is a nagging part of me that thinks...and I say this as a Hillary NON-supporter....that he might actually go with HRC.
Truth is she did spend 18 months convincing a lot of people she's ready for Veep. I'm aware of the Bill issue, and the "HRC energizes the Right" meme, but part of me can't escape the idea that she really is the next most ready person on the D side to take the job.
I think enough time has passed that BHO could pick Hillary and look like he's doing it on his terms. And I'm convinced she *wants* the job so damn bad she'd do anything, including not leak any information about being on a list or being vetted.
Am I crazy? I loves me some Sebelius, and some Schweitzer, but something about the reverse surprise of a Hillary pick, the with resultant media firestorm appeals to my sense of the dramatic.
And by "Veep" in my post above, I of course meant "President"...
I don't think that the "getting shot down does not qualify you to be president" dust-up actually ended Gen. Wes Clark's chances to be VP. It seems unlikely to me that his statement was not coordinated with the Obama campaign, seeing how he is the only prominent democrat with the military credentials to effectively MAKE that argument (with the possible exception of Jim Webb.) If Obama wanted that to disassociate McCain's Vietnam service with the job of the presidency, Clark was the best possible mouthpiece for that statement. All of this makes me wonder what Clark got in return...
Agreed, Matt; if Clark was gonna get thrown under the bus, wouldn't Obama have...thrown Clark under the bus? Why stand by him during that non-controversy, if he wasn't being groomed to be a powerful surrogate (if not the MOST powerful surrogate)?
I don't know if Clark is at the top of my veepstakes lotto ticket, but he's certainly high up there.
I don't buy the Clark argument at all. There is no way that Obama wanted him to make that statement.
There are times in politics when someone asked you what you think and you just actually tell them the truth without coming up with an elaborate piece of marketing. This especially happens to novices in politics. Gen Clark had been through one relatively brief campaign. He wasn't an expert in the art of not saying something stupid.
I can't see why Obama would have wanted that said. The underlying point was true, but its something McCain has said jokingly about himself. When Clark said it, it came across and mean and dismissive. It was a throwaway line on a show few people watch.
If McCain hadn't of made a weeklong story out of it, nobody would have even noticed. But that is what you do when the other guy fumbles, you pick it up and run with it.
I'm not sure this disqualifies Clark but it certainly didn't help his veep case. Honestly, I think there were other things about him that made that an unlikely choice.
Why stand by him during that non-controversy, if he wasn't being groomed to be a powerful surrogate
A couple reasons.
1. Dropping him would have prolonged the story
2. He needs military surrogates. Clark will play a useful role on the campaign, just not veep.
3. This campaign has an absurd amount of gaffe-forced resignations already. You have to draw the line somewhere or the ability to throw people under the bus for serious gaffes (ie Gramm, Ferraro, Powers) loses its power.
I feel like you shared so little information aside from your own thoughts and thoughts on your thoughts, but regardless I've got to say that both you and Nate have written my favorite analysis of the VP decisions, including this post. Thanks, Sean. Good stuff.
I'll repeat what I said yesterday: The Palin thing ain't happening. It's an obvious false rumour and I'm continually surprised how many people are swallowing it.
1) Like Jindal, she hasn't been governor long enough to have any record, or any claim of preparedness to be a 71-year-old's heartbeat from the presidency.
2) Her whole State party is mired in scandal, and she's under investigation by the Republican legislature.
3) She's younger than Obama, and looks 28.
4) She's from Alaska. I'm sorry, but imagine Obama had returned to Hawaii after law school instead of Chicago. Would any of us know his name?
5) More seriously, she's got a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. I know she's a politician, but do you honestly think she wants this now?
Palin, like Jindal, is a token floatee in an effort to make the GOP bench look stronger than it is.
For Obama, the only one of the four mentioned that makes sense is Kaine...an early obama supporter, a governer ( that will not risk a senate seat ), and from a close state with a sizable EC vote.
The field pick nobody seems to have noticed is New Mexico Senator Jeff Bingaman. He is chair of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, he endorsed Obama in April, and Richardson would appoint a replacement.
If Virginia is winnable, it will be Kaine. If not, then Bingaman to solidify NM and other Southwest states. Schwietzer would be good, but Montana only has 3 Electoral votes.
Bayh is a nitwit, a Dem Quayle. Sebelius brings nothing. Biden negates the change meme.
Who cares which jerk is the Repuke #2?
It seems unlikely to me that his statement was not coordinated with the Obama campaign, seeing how he is the only prominent democrat with the military credentials to effectively MAKE that argument (with the possible exception of Jim Webb.)
This absurd statement is only possible because the media did such a thorough disinformation job ... the statement was made by Bob Schieffer: "I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down." To which Clark replied "Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President." (To which that idiot Shieffer said "Really?!")
Sheesh.
Sebelius touches on everything needed for the job. Look her up on youtube to see her 2006 re-ekection ads, she clearly looks very presidential and polished. Perfect complement to Obama in every way.
Why stand by him during that non-controversy
That's pretty clueless; Obama adopted the McCain/media narrative that Clark had attacked McCain's war record, despite his having explicitly said he honored it just before that cretin Shieffer suggested that riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down were experiences that made McCain more qualified than Obama to be President.
Sean,
I would disagree with the specific trading strategy of shorting the faves. I would go long on Sebelius and the field, as in my opinion that would be the strongest hedge strategy.
Plus, it fits into my biased belief that Obama's VP pick will not be Kaine, Bayh or Biden (showing my investor overconfidence).
I would not make any investment on the Republican side until after Obama's VP pick, as I agree entirely that McCain should not throw away the advantage of making his VP pick second.
Obama has explicitly stated that his criteria for picking a vp is their ability to do the job. From what we've seen to Obama, I think there's good reason to take him at his word, or at least believe this is a significant factor in his decision.
I'm not really sure which candidates this would make more or less likely choices. One possibility is that it would make less likely those candidates whose appeal is electoral, such as swing state governors.
I agree with shorting Bayh, Kaine, and Biden. For the R's I'm thinking of putting money on Huckabee and Lieberman. They're longshots (cheap!), but I think McCain genuinely likes them both. Huckabee would shore up his base and generate some much-needed enthusiasm. Lieberman would be a game-changing gambit, pissing off both left and right to bet it all on the center. If it's a "change" election, nothing says "change" like a bipartisan ticket. I think McCain only makes that play if he sees no way to win a more traditional race -- but it is a dramatic play that's available to him.
satiradical: Sebelius brings herself. That's not nothing. That's something.
I think Lieberman and Huckabee would both be dumb moves on the part of the McCain campaign--Lieberman could have worked in 2006 when he had a lot of appeal to the pragmatic center, but he only works if the GOP successfully paints Obama as a weak-kneed dove. They've been trying, but I don't think it's been sticking.
If McCain chooses Huckabee, it would be way too easy for the left to hit Huckabee for being weak on foreign affairs by replaying his responses to the Bhutto assassination, his assertion that Pakistanis make up the second largest group of people crossing the Mexican border, etc.--the message would be "do you want Huckabee as VP for someone who's 71?" He'd help McCain keep North Carolina, maybe tilt Virginia back, maybe keep Florida red, and Obama will waltz through the mountain west and the midwest on his way to the White House.
Then again, one can make the "deeply dumb" spiel for any possible McCain choice except maybe Pawlenty.
I think it very likely that Obama's running mate will be a surprise. Obama and his strategists are very good at looking at the campaign in new ways and may decide on a new strategy for how a veep can strengthen their hand. As mentioned, previous campaign strategies have been to select someone who might bring in more votes by appealing to a particular demographic or to win voters in the veep pick's home state. That doesn't seem to help much.
An important part of the Obama campaign has been his message and his style in presenting that message. (Obviously not the only part of his campaign that has been so brilliant.) After 8 years of more and more dismay over what has happened in the WH many of us want very much to believe there is reason to hope for many changes. That is where the energy and excitement is. That is what is registering so many new voters and generating so many donations. I think his choice needs to meld with the message. It doesn't have to be someone seen as different. Obama covers that base. But I think they will select someone who can make the point whether it be by their experience and who they are or maybe by their ability to present the message.
Rob - that's the reason I keep going back to Pawlenty on my GOP veepstakes lotto ticket; like a doctor, a running mate must first do no harm.
jqb - I disagree about your assessment:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/1/135348/8095
"[Th]ere's been a lot of talk about this in the media...but I was not referring to General Clark yesterday. You can ask anyone in my staff, those remarks were written two monts ago."
He rejected Clark's statement (which allowed him to be The Good Guy) without throwing Clark under the bus (which allows Clark the opportunity to be The Attack Dog sometime later in this election). Frankly, it makes perfect sense to me, and may well be the framework of a candidate/running mate relationship.
McCain strategy:
"The strategy behind all this isn’t hard to discern: Drive up Obama’s negatives and render him unacceptable to pivotal voting blocs. Thus the depiction of him as too young, too feckless, and too pampered to be president. (In almost every shot in the McCain ads, Obama is smiling flashily, whereas McCain is pictured as weathered, sober, staring hard into the distance—a clever bit of jujitsu, using Obama’s pretty mug against him.) Thus the portrayal of him as precious, self-infatuated, and effete: “Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand ‘MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew—Black Forest Berry Honest Tea’ and worry about the price of arugula,” wrote campaign manager Rick Davis in an e-mail announcing “Celeb.” And thus the emphasis on Obama’s rock-star persona, designed to engender envy and contempt among the swath of Middle America for which hipness is no virtue but a sign of pretension"
Who is best to counter that? Hillary Clinton.
She is negative, experienced, and a great advocate.
For VP on the GOP side i would pick Mike Huckabee. He has experience, and he is very strong with evangelical and social conservatives. He can lock the south for the GOP and add strenght in some midwest states ( for example iowa, ohio and michigan )...
Cons from Rome, Huckabee has no chance in Ohio and Michigan. Romney yes.
In my opinion, McCain put Huckabee and Obama put Edwards or Bayh.
uhm...interesting new rasmussen poll on party ID...now it's dems 39.2 reps 31.6
dario Huckabee can drain a lot of evangelicals in ohio and michigan...a good improvement to McCain numbers in these states i think...
Cons from Rome, you´re right, but i think Edwards is more attractive in Ohio and Michigan.
dario do you think obama can pick edwards as VP?
Cons from Rome.
Maybe, but Bayh is better.
I'm not one who believes that VP selections are typically very important. However, to the extent that they DO matter, it's probably worth keeping in mind that they're not equally important or important for the same reasons for the two candidates.
In McCain's case, the possibility that a VP may well be called upon to succeed the president during the latter's term has greater salience than usual, an issue that's not likely to be critical in Obama's selection.
By the same token, Obama's selection is likely to be evaluated in terms of the quality of his decision and the "riskiness" and "experience" it represents. Again, not standards likely to be applied to McCain's selection.
All in all, I suspect the issue of VP selection says more about the absence of more interesting issues for political junkies in midsummer than anything else. But if I had to choose, I'm guessing that McCain's selection may matter a bit more to his election chances than Obama's.
One more small tidbit about Kathleen Sebelius. Earlier in this week oilman, wind energy promoter, and yeah, Kerry-basher T. Boone Pickens gave his first town hall meeting on his wind plan. Location? Topeka, Kansas. Gov. Sebelius invited him, introduced him, and Pickens praised her glowingly. Connected to Obama's shift in offshore drilling? Very, very possibly. Can't say she isn't doing her homework, though.
Con from Rome-
I like Huck as a VP choice too, but it's a gamble. His best contribution would probably be to lock down Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida, but his evangelical background would take Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, and Maine off the map (as much as they were on the map to begin with). On top of that, I'm unconvinced of the Huckster's strength in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Colorado.
If you buy the "running mate brings states" argument, I'm not sure Huck's a fair trade, or at the very least not a big opportunity cost. Perhaps his biggest asset would instead be to reassure social conservatives and fire up GOTV efforts.
Can anyone name a past election where you think the VP choice was significant... enough that you could argue it changed the outcome of the election. As in "***** would have won/lost if he'd chosen a different running mate, for this reason:...."
I can't, offhand... not where I can build a valid argument yet, anyhow. (Though I do have some feelings about Gore/Lieberman...)
But it's early here, and I haven't had my coffee yet.
@ filistro
Conventional wisdom is LBJ helped Kennedy win in 1960; the Democratic ticket carried LBJ's home state of Texas by a mere 2 points, well within the "meager one or two points" that has been posited as a running-mate's homestate advantage.
Of course, Texas didn't have enough electoral votes in '60 to swing the result of the election, but taken in tandem with Mayor Daley bringing out the dead to vote in Illinois, and that's the ballgame.
Picking Wes Clark would satisfy the grumbling about Obama being too slick, too compromising, and not enough of an attack dog. The fact that McCain graduated near the bottom of his class would be highlighted when you've got Clark on the other ticket.
Whoever's on the ticket will be on the ticket again in 2012 (how often are VPs dropped these days?) and it will likely be an uphill battle if the Republicans manage to draft Petraeus to take on an incumbent Obama. Having Clark on the ticket would be helpful then as well.
Robby... yes, you're probably right about LBJ. Still, that means we have to go back 50 years to find a VP choice that had any significant impact on the ticket. So why do we obsess like this every time?
Brian... whoa, Petraeus in '12? I don't think so. The Iraq war has damaged the reputation of every single person associated with it in any leadership capacity (civilian or military)... from Rummy to Garner to Bremer to Abizaid to Casey to Rice. Plus lots of collateral damage like Powell, Wolfowitz, Perle, Franks... the list goes on to infinity.
Sooner or later it will get Petraeus too. The place is truly a Black Hole. Nobody who goes in there is ever seen again.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but there are obviously no HRC supporters here -- you have driven them all away -- but Obama cannot without tearing his party in two pick any woman other than Hillary. He already knows that Hillary is unacceptable and Obama's ego will not allow him to pick anyone likely to distract from HIM.
He will pick a bland choice, with just the right amount of experience and geographic benefit.
Kaine has proven to be a nobody and is only a distraction. Perhaps he would like to pick Sibelius, but I think the signal went out to him from high up in the party structure that he cannot do that.
He will pick Bayh and he will make a good choice.
McCain does not need Romney. He will win MI on his own, it being the home of the internal combustion engine and it having the most at stake in the drilling issue.
McCain needs a surrogate who can fill out his hand on the economy, who is squeaky clean and brings no negatives.
He will pick Rob Portman.
He is a former Congressman from Cincinnati, former US Trade Representative and former OMB Director. This man is no lightweight and can provide the technical cred on economy and trade to fill out McCain's vision.
He is young and experienced and a family man. Some may see his association with the Bush Admin as a deficit, but I don't think so. Bush too may be getting a second look as we near the end of his term and folks see who he won the Iraq War for them and watch the economy rebound through the Fall.
Portman can help lock down OH. He is enormously popular within the Republican establishment and would have been Speaker had he not moved into the Admin.
Returning to Obama, as he continues to bleed in the polls he will be desperate for a "game changer" and will be forced, as I have said, to pick his VEEP this week. My pick day is Tuesday.
The headlines in USA Today and elsewhere last Friday were about how the people injured in the I-35W bridge aren't getting any help.
That bridge fell because who wasn't inspecting bridges to save money? Pawlenty. And who's responsible for the welfare of the injured people? Pawlenty. If I were a 527, about a day after Pawlenty was chosen, there'd be a TV ad with Pawlenty, McCain, and the bridge collapsing on it. It doesn't matter what the words are: people will get the message about what a McCain/Pawlenty ticket will do to the country.
Oil prices were on peoples' mind in 2004, yet John "The Most Boring Candidate Ever" Kerry was able to hold on to MI. But I will agree about McCain not needing Romney, and go so far as to say he doesn't WANT Romney.
As for Clinton...I'm certain, PeteKent, that you'd LOVE to have another Clinton to run against. Nothing gets a conservative's blood pressure up like a Clinton (Hillary doubly so).
Sorry, but naming Clinton to the ticket gives away Obama's biggest advantage this cycle: low GOP morale.
I think Obama would be shrewd to pick someone like Lincoln Chafee, former Republican senator from Rhode Island. He was the only Senator to vote against the Iraq war and has a moderate voting record (voteview.com has him as the most liberal Republican senator, so he is in the middle of the political spectrum). When he lost his seat in 2006, he was personally very popular and had high approval ratings, he still lost because of the (R) behind his name. He later said that his loss may have helped the country by taking control from the Republicans. His positions gibe with mainline Democratic ones. He later left the Repulblican party because he felt they were hurting the middle class with their policies. He was also an early endorser of Obama, on February 14.
By selecting Chafee, Obama sends a signal to moderate Republicans that although their party may ignore them, Obama will not. It would be a choice that reaffirms the "change" and "post-partisan" narratives without alienating the base like Hagel would.
More about Linclon Chafee:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee
That is my two cents!
Fore the record, I think it would be disaster for Obama to name Clinton. But so would it be to name Sibelius.
I don't buy the whole "HRC supporters will flip if Obama picks another woman." I mean, they wanted Clinton for #1 spot, not the #2 spot, so they're ALREADY "jilted" (if that's how you want to think of it).
Furthermore, I think it's a little ridiculous for anyone to consider the "no woman except Clinton" line of reasoning; Clinton's made a career of busting glass ceiling, only to build another one right underneath her? Even if that's what she secretly wants to do, I don't see women voters going for it.
No, if there really are a significant number of pissed off Democratic women willing to give that anti-choice misogynist John McCain the presidency just because their first choice didn't get the nod (and as a former Richardson advocate, I'm less than sympathetic), picking a man as VP isn't going to bring them around.
I've been thinking that maybe McCain's odd decision to not advertise in Florida at all is because they intend to pick Crist.
Good points. I really think that of those 4, Sebelius is the only one under serious consideration.
I think there is a chance that Napolitano, Clark, and/or Patty Murray are under more erious consideration than we realize.
I also wouldn't discount an unconventional pick from the House, perhaps Anna Eshoo (an early backer and Pelosi loyalist), Patrick Murphy, or Carol Shea-Porter.
One of the issues dogging Obama is "inexperience" so I don't think there is any chance he will pick a state level politician. That leaves Bayh, Biden, Clark, Richardson and some other dark horse.
McCain has base problems that Obama doesn't have so his choices get much more tangled. Going with Palen may help but I doubt she'd help the campaign for Independents with the "scandal" being about abuse of executive power. Going with Romney will look too calculated for some and not enough for evangelicals. Picking someone from the business world may look "mavericky" but it will be a mistake - McCain already has economic conservatives. I think it will end up being Rob Portman from Ohio. Ralph Reed likes him. He's in a swing state. He's a proven Washington player with a good personal reputation. He's squeaky clean. He's a party loyalist and smart in debates.
Portman might be McCain's dark horse...
And I'll second all the poo-pooing of Palin's chances; the last thing you want is a VP choice that simultaneously overshadows the frontrunner *and* showcases one of his biggest perceived negatives (in this case, age).
One minor quibble: I think there's a strong argument Kennedy would not have won Texas in 1960 without Lyndon Johnson on the ticket. He won by just 2% of the vote.
Texas had 24 electoral votes that year, and Kennedy won by 84, so that wouldn't have swung the result. But it would have made the electoral tally much closer, like the popular vote tally was.
A serious question for PeteKent:
you've made a lot of predictions on this site. Have you EVER been right? I mean just one time. Frankly, my impression is no, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong.
In the meantime we can test out this latest nugget of yours: "Returning to Obama, as he continues to bleed in the polls he will be desperate for a "game changer" and will be forced, as I have said, to pick his VEEP this week. My pick day is Tuesday."
I'll counter-predict that Obama will not pick a VP this week.
And when Obama does pick, it will not be Bayh.
Best case (maybe the only case) scenario for Palin would be if Obama picks Biden.
Such a selection would effectively immunize Palin from the negatives of the unproven Troopergate, since the GOP could simply dredge up the old plagarism charge back at Biden.
I'll offer my "favorite" choice for VP on the Dem side--John Edwards, Senator Love Child himself.
virginia conservative
And perhaps McCain should choose your home state favorite George Allen. I hear he's available.
The VP pick almost always seems to be personality-rather-tahn-policy-based, and designed to serve as a cautious counterweight to the prevailing idea of the candidate's most salient personality traits.
Stolid, plodding Gore picked puckish, happy- warrior Lieberman. Brash youthful Bush picked cold, hard, elder statesman Cheney. Elite aloof Kerry picked folksy populist Edwards, etc. etc.
So here's how to make the VP choice: (some of you math whiz types could probably put this into an equation :-)... pick the candidate's two most defining personality traits. Call them a and b. Pick two traits most diametriaclly opposed to these, and call them x and y.
Now.. who among the various contenders is most liberally endowed with x and y?
There's your pick.
I am someone who was staunchly against an Obama/Clinton ticket following the primaries. But the more I think about it, the more I like it.
You want someone to be your attack dog? Well, in the words of Bill, you'd get "Two for the price of one."
Yeah, she'd energize the right. But Democrats have a nine point partisan ID advantage. If Obama sews up the Democratic vote... it's going to take an overwhelming majority of independents to sway that advantage back to McCain.
Where fiction can inform reality:
In The West Wing, president Jed Bartlett has a seriously rocky relationship (personal and political) with his VP, John Hoynes.
But he decides to stick with him for his second campaign. They're in the oval office, and Hoynes looks perplexed, asks him "why?"
Bartlett writes something on a piece of paper, hands it to him. Hoynes opens it:
"Because I might die."
I like to hope that Obama's operating on that level.
Wesley Clark for VP!
I'm more inclined to think Obama's staff is using econometrics in selecting a VP, while Team McCain uses "gut," much the same way Bush saw into Putin's soul.
Second, being a novice to prediction markets, I'd bet the pick is a lot easier for McCain and thus the markets will more quickly narrow the range of acceptable choices, thus limiting payouts.
I couldn't agree more re the Obama campaign - i wonder how many people have been vetted who the media don't know about.
re the Republicans though, an 'out of the box' idea would have to be complete genius to help McCain. he's just got to many problems with the base to pick anyone other than a pretty safe option. And given the low probability of him running (again) in 2012, he's also picking the presumptive Republican nominee for that election. So his choices are very limited, and imho they are either Pawlenty (who, we forget, as well as a very successful governor, is also loved by the evangelicals) or Romney.
RE: what this post brings up about the VP's primary responsibility of assuming power in crisis, Tim Kaine may be the best-suited. He ran for city council in the first place to bridge racial divisions. We can assume Obama highly respects that and recognizes its potential value. Obama has spoken of the power of words and Kaine came through admirably in that respect during a difficult time last year. There is no doubt about Kaine's loyalty to Obama. I don't think it's a smokescreen as much as it is a trial balloon to gauge where he registers on the do no harm during the election rule. They must have noticed some rough wind resistance. The press, assisted by the netroots, opened up the issues that would be raised. Simultaneously, McCain opened a run for a new narrative: Obamamania is all just hype, but is he ready to lead? And the Obama defense allowed racial politics to slip into the conversation. Given the implicit McCain challenge to Obama to prove he has substance, I wonder if Kaine became a little less likely relative to say Biden.
I predict Sebelius would be more offensive to Hillary's male fanatics than to female (see: Lanny Davis). But the actual issue is the press would lazily play on the other woman issue. The NY POST cover would say "A WOMAN SCORNED" with a photo of Hillary looking mad. Obama would have to fight the (absurd) narrative that he did it to piss on Hillary/pander to women. It's not hard to dispose of that since Sebelius is a perfect match philosophically and in resume for Obama, a good governing partner, also loyal. Easy to show the pick as gender-blind... if you can get people to listen.
Nate,
Incase you haven't seen this article already, here's link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0138628820080801
It's title is "Economic models predict clear Obama win in November"
I think both campaigns need a governor or someone with equivalent administrative experience, for two reasons: Both candidates are weak in this area (McCain possibly weaker than Obama once people look behind the image and ask if he is even running his own campaign) and to bolster the "ready to take over" factor. The exception would be HRC, for the reasons stated in the comments.
I would not worry much about name recognition in the polls, since most are unknown outside the region, but I would worry about getting the person's story out before the other side does. Any tunnel collapse, flood response, or financial crisis in the recent past or near future that would look good in black-and-white ads?
Since the only things Obama has ever said about the VP pick are that he's looking for someone who shares his outlook for the country and approach to governing, I'm inclined to take him at his word and assume that will be the basis for his pick, not geographic or demographic concerns. I also assume that he's smart enough to know how little influence the VP pick has electorally vs. how much influence it may have in his administration's long-term course, since if he wins, his VP is the one most likely to succeed him.
For those reasons, I don't put much stock in choices like Bayh (or worse, Hagel), who may look good for electoral or "image" reasons but don't particularly match up on the direction of the country.
And finally, I look to one of the campaign's principles, "No Drama," along with the traditional principle that the VP pick can't help you much, but it can hurt you. To me, that's the most obvious reason why Clinton is out -- no matter what electoral advantages she brings, she undeniably brings drama and even chaos.
I'm w/ nagging feeling, distraction/chess, no CW, field, convention week, surprise, and (I'm completely serious) Gore. I know, but think about it again.
Anon-
George Allen will probably be in McCain's cabinet, in all seriousness.
Oh, please please PLEASE God let Obama pick Gore. Have I really been a virtuous enough person to see Vice President Bore on the ticket again?
Others may disagree, but I'm feeling some electricity in the air... feels like... Joe-mentum!!
There is a little voice whispering in the back of my mind saying that Richardson will be Obama's VP.
Short the faves--for McCain, a long shot is Virginia congressman Eric Cantor. Young, the only Jewish republican in congress.
For Obama--no need to spring a surprise. I hope it will be Tim Kaine, a change choice and a good governing fit choice.
McCain's logical choice is Romney. Hope he picks someone else!
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McCain campaign is vetting Eric Cantor, according to Mark Halperin's The Page. Bet on Cantor as your long shot.
Timing on Palin VP announcement:
1. Several days after gasline passed in Alaska.
2. Several days before the Olympics.
3. Ideally before Obama names his Veep (especially if Obama were to name a woman or Hillary).
Hey, McCain, why not Monday (tomorrow Aug 4) and LET THE GAMES BEGIN already!!!
In any event, stand by this week!
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