With a record nationwide organization effort underway, Barack Obama’s campaign is paying particular attention to early voting. According to one count, 31 states offer no-excuse early in-person voting, whether or not the state prefers the terminology “absentee voting.” In addition, Oregon is an all mail-voting state, and four more states require an excuse to vote absentee early, but not all “excuse” requirements are created equal.
To a campaign and its field organizers, early voting is a boon to aggressive efforts. Every voter a campaign has identified as a certain or likely supporter who goes and votes early is one fewer voter it has to target on election day.
Campaigns can see the names of voters who have already voted, and strike them from the phone calling and door knocking lists. As the number of outstanding eligible voters winnows, a campaign can more precisely target supporters who have yet to vote.
But more than that, campaigns can see what early voting numbers look like in particular sensitive counties to see if they’re falling behind or staying ahead of expectations. It allows resources to be shifted around days in advance of the final day of voting, something that is nearly impossible in practice for election day-only voting. On election day, a campaign can determine if voter turnout is light in certain precincts they’ve chosen as models for other key precincts in a given state, and then start pouring phone calls and sending rush-hour doorknockers into those areas, but early voting allows for an elongated, non-frenzied version of shuffling resources to meet prescribed vote goals by area.
In particular, we looked at those we’ve forecasted as battleground and penumbra states to see what the specific voting window dates were. After calling all the state board of elections offices, this is what the state election bureaus have confirmed:
Early Voting, Battleground/Penumbra States
AK: Oct 20-Nov 3
CO: Oct 20-Nov 3
FL: Oct 20-Nov 2
GA: Oct 27-Oct 31
IN: Oct 6-Nov 3
IA: Sept 26-Nov 3
MN: Oct 3-Nov 3
MT: Oct 6-Nov 3
NV: Oct 18, Oct 20-25, Oct 27-31
NM: Oct 18-Nov 1
NC: Oct 16-Nov 1
ND: Oct 20-Nov 3
OH: Sept 30-Oct 6 [UPDATE: Sept 30-Nov 3, with voter registration deadline Oct 6]
OR: Vote-by-mail begins Oct 20
WI: Oct 5-Nov 3
A couple things that need to be said here. Counties generally have a fair degree of autonomy about hours of operation and number of locations. Going in person to the county clerk’s office generally will accomplish the task. However, depending on the resources and individual decisions counties make, they may offer more locations. This matters, particularly in physically large counties where the drive (especially with $4 gasoline) might be 20, 30, 40 miles or more. When you hear of an early voting office open, for example, near a university or library, that is a county decision to offer more accessibility. Not only does early voting help campaigns, it also helps counties spread out the volume so that election day may not be as flooded as it might otherwise be.
Also, the difference between “early voting” and “absentee voting” – at least to the ears of some state election board administrators – appears to turn on whether votes are counted before or on election day. Absentee votes are opened and counted on election day, whereas an “early vote” may be tallied in advance. Not released for an early scoreboard, but the work can be done early. At least, that is terminology around which many state election board folks showed sensitivity. Wisconsin, which allows early in-person absentee voting, reported, “We do not have early voting in Wisconsin.” Even after some poking and prodding and surprise that other information indicated they did, the elections board initially refused to verify. But they do have it – it’s just called “absentee voting.” Functionally for the voter there’s no difference, and that’s really all the campaign cares about, except in the case where a voter calls up and uses the wrong terminology and is misinformed.
Another thing is the weekends/holidays issue. In the list, we’ve exempted October 19 and 26 (Sundays) for Nevada because its statewide statute specifically excludes Sunday voting. In practice, many of the other states may not have Saturday or Sunday voting, but that is a county-by-county decision. Or, if a particular county recognizes Columbus Day (Oct. 13), it may opt not to conduct early voting or early in-person absentee voting.
There are several more quirks that need a brief mention. Minnesota is in our list whereas Virginia is not, despite the fact that both offer early absentee voting for a valid excuse. Minnesota’s excuse statute says if the voter “reasonably expects” to be unable to vote in person on election day then that voter may cast an early/absentee vote. The bottom line is it’s loose, as confirmed by the state board of elections. In actual practice, nobody is getting turned away in Minnesota who shows up to vote early/absentee.
On the other hand, Virginia gave off the feel of a bureaucratic mess. You can request an absentee ballot 45 days early, but the specificity of the steps and procedures involved sounded arduous. Excuses must meet certain conditions, none of which sounded much like “reasonably expects.” Of all the states we called in our canvass of early voting dates, Virginia was the toughest to pry out information. That isn’t just a trivial result. The whole point is how big a hassle this is for voters. Having to write off and request a form to fill out and return in order to be eligible to apply for an excuse to vote early… well, that is realistically so many hurdles and issues that it’s a totally different than the on-paper same-category Minnesota. So unless and until new information about Virginia comes in that reveals it will be easy to drive large numbers of people to vote early there with low resistance, it stays off while Minnesota stays on.
There are other technical issues that do not truly impact the large-scale early voter push effort, such as a few states (Montana being an example) where early absentee/early voting stops by noon the day before the election. Or Florida, which does not have early voting on Monday, according to the state elections bureau. North Carolina and New Mexico stop a few days before the election, as do Nevada and Georgia. And of course Oregon’s unique vote-by-mail system is, in terms of campaign organizing, basically the same as early voting.
One last wrinkle worth noting, Colorado and Montana (as do non-battlegrounds California and Washington state) offer a permanent absentee ballot feature. Once you check a box stating that you’d like to be an absentee voter, from that point on your ballot is automatically mailed to you for every election going forward.
Ohio is going to be the canary in the coal mine this year. Its window for early voting is an odd duck. It starts September 30 and ends October 6, almost a full month before election day. What makes that significant is that we’ll be able to see what percentage of the projected overall Ohio electorate actually takes advantage of the window, and therefore get a pretty good foreshadowing of what’s to come in other states if the patterns hold.
From the perspective of John McCain’s campaign, if they plan to make a push anywhere in terms of organizing and early banked voting, it should be Ohio. We'll get an early indication of whether the McCain camp is making any strong progress in ramping up its organizing operation in the aftermath of the Ohio window.
Overall, early voting helps election boards smooth out their work. It helps highly organized campaigns do enough prep work that their election day efforts are that much more streamlined. It's no joke to say that Jon Tester is a United States Senator today because of a massive effort over the summer and fall of 2006 to get supporters to request absentee ballots mailed to them. In a state where roughly 400,000 people voted, the Tester campaign gained a roughly 10,000 vote head start (and also provided supporter IDs who could then be recruited to volunteer). Tester won by fewer than 4,000 votes.
In the battleground states this presidential year, it's these small but distinct percentages that add up to victory. You won't find it in the polling.
8.27.2008
Voting Early in Battleground States
by Sean Quinn @ 3:53 PM...see also early voting, organizing
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Sean,
Incorrect about Nevada early voting:
http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/depts/election/English/2008/general/Documents/EVSched_GEN08.pdf
Clark County (Las Vegas) at least has early voting from the 18th to the 31st, all 14 days.
Is Nate OK? I hope it wasn't the free beer in the big tent that got to him.
This has an interesting effect on out-of-state college students, too. Many of the windows include Columbus Day, which some colleges and universities give as a day off. Students already take advantage of that to go home for the weekend. If there's early voting in the state, even if it's only available on the Friday at the start of the weekend, some students may take advantage of it...
Wasn't Hillary wonderful last night. How is it she isn't the VP Nominee?
Oh well,
On this date in history, August 27, 2004, in the Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll, John Kerry led President George Bush 48% to 47%.
For final results, please see Presidential Inauguration January 2005.
Really great article. Gets down to the nuts and bolts. More of this, please!
Obama surges ahead in Gallup, landslide victory for Obama is imminent.
With the kind of people Obama has on the ground, I could see this really benefiting the campaign, allowing for people to drive around and pick up voters and bring them to polling stations.
I can attest to the importance of early voting for the Obama campaign. I'm a volunteer in New Mexico and I can tell you they are making a big deal about early voting. New Mexico has both vote-by-mail and in person early voting locations. When canvassing they are trying to get as many supporters as possible to fill out an application for vote by mail and checking each step of the process. They call the clerks office to make sure the application is recieved. They will call all people who have requested vote by mail to make sure they recieved their ballot and will continue to call until they mail it and they check to make sure the clerk's office has recieved it.
They are going to take advantage of early voting locations by having events near locations and taking a break in the middle to encourage people to go vote or they might require an "I voted" sticker to attend.
They took lessons from the California primary where they beat Hillary on election day but got beat because of early voting.
The level of professionalism, enthusiasm, and trust in their volunteers is very impressive. I have no doubt that New Mexico will go blue this time.
In Colorado when I voted in the local election a couple of weeks ago, I was informed my early voting ballot would be mailed to me by sometime in mid October so that I could complete it by October 20.
Obama's field organization is giving out this information about how to early vote. Since Colorado is a key battleground state, it will be absolutely essential for the campaign to take full advantage of the ease of early voting here.
But, it is very labor intensive to follow up on voters to see if they've bothered to mail in their ballots or dropped them off at a voting center. Thus, the advantage of having a TON of volunteers. The more the better.
The intensity of the GOTV effort will be the key to this election. I have no idea if McCain is doing the same amount of effort here. He'll need the full participation of the evangelicals who manned the trenches for Bush in 2004. I think he's increasingly likely to get it.
But, if Independents continue to break hard for Obama Republicans may not be enough in 2008.
That in fact has been the pattern the last 2 elections. Republicans have not been organized or responsive and they've let Democrats seize control of the Congressional delegation, both Senate seats (counting Udall's prospective win), the Governor's mansion and a majority in both the State Senate and House.
Like elsewhere in America Independents are far more identified with Democrats than Republicans since 2004. (See Ruy Teixeira's blog) for the demographic breakdown: http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/
Also, I should note that Oct 31 is a holiday in Nevada - Nevada Day (yes, Nevada was added to the union on Halloween, go fig). All the government offices, most banks and schools are closed, but many small businesses and obviously casinos are still open.
New polls from CNN/Time/Opinion Research, conducted 8-24/26. Link.
CO: McCain 47, Obama 46
NM: Obama 53 (!), McCain 40
NV: Obama 49, McCain 44
PA: Obama 48, McCain 43
Sample sizes range from 625 to 670. This particular pollster, for comparison, is in the neighborhood of Zogby International, EPIC-MRA, and ARG as far as accuracy goes.
Great post, this was very illuminating. This is the kind of thinking that can make the difference in elections--and easily could have in either 2000 or 2004.
More from Colorado.
Don't confuse "early voting" rules with what really happens.
For example, Denver is/has been trying to drive everyone to receiving their ballot by mail. I expect to receive mine around October 10th.
This means that I can vote in one of 3 ways:
1. I can take the ballot with me to the polls on "Election Day", turn in the unused ballot and vote in the traditional manner. So, if I do this, you can try to influence me up until November 4th.
2. I can "vote early". I complete the ballot and physically take it to a place to drop it in a red box. I can only do this starting on October 20th and these drop off locations are only open certain hours/days. So, if I do this, you can try to influence me up until Oct 20th or a bit later.
3. I can return my ballot by mail for 80 cents. I can mail it anytime after receipt. This means that I am/will be done on October 10th. End of story.
Elitist and arrogant McCain with his 7 homes, expensive cars and $600 Italian leather shoes doesn't bother to campaign in states like Montana, North Carolina or Indiana he takes them for granted. Maybe they should ask people from these states about who's elitist.
Yes Mule Rider, but it was fun. It appears now that Nate and Sean are bored stiff with nothing to do in Denver but stare at a bunch of bloggers eating cheese puffs and drinking Dr. Pepper.
I hate to say it Mule Rider, but you may be right, Nate and Sean are WANKERS!
This early voting plan you guys have going may be a good idea for you. You need to slam these people into submission now before they find out more about this guy.
Files that Obama had attempted to seal about his relationship and business activities with William Ayers have been forced open and reporters are going over them with a fine tooth comb and it's not looking good for Obama. I wonder if those files were "unsealed" with the help of a former president?
But be careful with early voting... they have more time to verify your legal status. They also have plenty of time to find out how many times you vote, how many times you vote in other states, how many of your pets are voting, how many of your dead relatives are voting, you know, all those Democrat tricks you guys pull every four years.
Just a back-of-the-envelop calculation of battleground state turnout through early voting:
Obama has about 2Mill. volunteers that makes on average 40.000 per state give or take some but that should be a fairly accurate number for the big battleground states.
If they were to get 3-6 people to vote-early/absentee every day over a 10 business day window - conservative average of the days given above - that would mean between 1.2 to 2.4 Million votes.
If Obama out-manages Old Mac by only 2:1 (conservative assumption) on this early voting that would mean a 600K to 1.2Mill vote advantage for Obama in a state such as Ohio.
Now lets be conservative and the efficiency is only 20-30% of the above that means a vote surplus of about 120K to 360K votes in say Ohio.
If say Ohio were than even on turnout efficiency on both sides on Nov. 4 similar to 2004 this is case closed state won, election over - Obama is President!
If I were Old MaC - I would better start putting some money into early voting effort and GOTV and get Evangelicals to cart everybody and their cousins to voting on Nov. 4 toherwise he can kiss this election good-bye.
Nevermind what the polls say - even on election day unless the gap is more than say 3-5%
Not sure where you got your Ohio information, but at least in Cuyahoga County, it's different. They offer early voting from Sept. 30 up until Election Day:
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/voters.aspx
(scroll down to "Vote in person at the Board of Elections")
Voter registration ends on Oct. 6, so Sept. 30-Oct. 6 would be the only period where you could show up, register, and vote. Maybe that was the confusion?
Leave it to CNN to poll during the left wing Dem convention. Isn't this the same poll that said McCain and Odumbo were tied nationally.
If so, Odumbo is not ahead in NM by 13 and is not ahead at all in Nevada.
Can I just make an honest plea that we start treating each other like human beings? I do not support John McCain in this election. I fully support Barack Obama. I own both of their books, and like both men. I think most McCain supporters are good and decent people. We don't need name calling, badgering, or general boorishness to debate poll figures. I don't think I'm in the minority when I say all I'm interested in from this site is a realistic picture of the election. Bad data is bad for both sides.
By the way, jack black is lying about the Rasmussen tracking polls from 2004.
Here's the actual polls from August 2004.
Forget early voting, let's get to what you all are really interest in - the DNC Convention, SEX, and math probabilities:
Ive never gotten into Internet trolling prefering old school trolling - for women. And nothing raises hopes more than 25,000 Democrat women coming to town to improve the odds.
Now, as stat freaks, you all are students of game theory and scoring probability math. Here's my take after 3 days of the DNC in town.
1) The old Republican math doesn't work ... far too few variables. The old formula was W * G / (M + W) where W = the number of women, G = my skill level versus the Male average and M equals the number of competitive men.
With the Democrats all that goes out the window. The new formula is
((W - L) + 2xB + T) * G / (M + W - L + 2xB + T - H), where W = the number of women, L = the number of Lesbians, B = the number of bisexual women, T = the number of passible Trannies and H equals the number of gay men I'm not competing with.
A couple of observations:
The Number of L's in the bars in LoDo dropped dramatically when Hillary was on last night ... they were all glued to TVs or in the hall.
H is so high its almost like shooting fish in a barrel for us M.
Are D women easier than R women? I'm still testing and trying to increase the sample size. But all indications are no ... Its simply the number of straight men is so low the D women appear easier.
My T-shirt which read:
PRO CHOICE
I'm for anything that means I don't have to wear a condom
Got mixed reviews. Some people are so serious!
Despite the DNC's best efforts Denver's number of passible trannies is still 1% of Bangkok's.
The Democrats have definately expanded the base into sexual alt lifestyle fringe groups, some I've observed:
Bird Porno Freaks - Yes the people against bird porno are out in the streets handing out pamplets warning of its dangers and social decay which follows. Thoughtfully the pamplets come with the reverse side printed in Russian.
Trojan Girls - Stocked with a large van load of condoms the girls manning (?) the Trojan condom van were doing their best to hand out implements of free love. Asking for one, she gave me a professional look over and handed me a dozen magnums. I guess the sock worked.
Wonderwomen with Strap Ons - The girls from a distance caught my eye. An entire squadron of girls decked out in wonderwoman gear and 24" missile strap-ons. I got some great pics flirting with them until I realized they all had unshaved armpits. This means two things ... French or Dykes. They spoke with bad fake Texas accents, so I'm still not sure.
Best Place to Hang Out - Definately the west end of Lodo around Samba's. Colorado is the nations most fit state and is very young and professional. The ratio of size 2s to size 8s was about 25 to 1. The local Lodo scene peeps were out in mass trying to sell Denver as a city that can hang with NYC and LA. They did a damn good job. These people never come out before 10 and by 11PM there were more stunning women stepping out of taxis than I've seen since ... Tokyo.
Next Update - Thursday
Cheers!
Trolls like Jack Black and Mule Rider have ruined this site
I highly recommend banning "jack black" (unfortunate choice of name as I quite like the real Jack Black) and the rest of the trolls. It's annoying to have to go through their BS every 3rd comment.
Great article-
I'm convinced that the Obama campaign has mastered the nuts and bolts.
They don't get rattled by polls. They refuse to go negative when everybody and their brother wants them to. they don't put Hillary on the ticket when some say its the only way to victory.
They know something that we ordinary commentators don't.
I've voted absentee in Virginia many times. By my understanding, they want the absentee ballot to be your last resort. They'll send you one if you request it, or you can go into the courthouse and ask for one and tell them you'll be out of town on election day. But I don't think organizing an early voting drive is the best idea. I think the "bureaucratic mess" is just a perception they've created to discourage it. It's really not that hard to cast an absentee ballot.
Hi, Sean,
Your impression of early voting in Virginia is a bit off. For a standard (mail-in) absentee ballot, you can request it any time in advance of the election, and they're mailed out at some point after the candidates are official. The 45 days isn't for requesting mail-in ballots, it's when the oxymoronic "absentee in person" begins.
For "absentee in person", you do have to fill out the same form, but you don't have to mail it in -- you fill it out and sign it at the polling place when you go to vote. You have to give one of the specified reasons (such as working/commuting when the polls are open), but the place where you sign says that you declare it's true "to the best of your knowledge" (and the registrar's office will tell you that no one checks.)
So yeah, it's a bureaucratic mess, but it's also true that no one who comes to vote early will get turned away here, either.
In practical terms, it means that campaigns will strongly encourage people to vote early. We probably get fewer early voters than states with true early voting, but probably no fewer than Minnesota, based on your description. Considering that everyone knows there will be huge lines at the polls in November, I expect we'll have a record level of early voting this year.
Oh, and from what I'm told, the reason we have stupid "absentee in person" voting instead of early voting is that way they could get it passed by tacking it onto existing absentee ballot law. Bills get introduced in the legislature every year to remove the "excuse" requirement from absentee and early voting; maybe if we elect a few more Democrats, it'll actually pass.
more from glenn-in-colorado, less from anyone referring to the nominees as "mccunt" or "odumbo," please.
I apologize for going off-topic, especially on this very useful and interesting post, thanks Sean! I am convinced that in general the ground game is more important than the campaign ads, and is certainly far better value for money.
Off topic, then:
Assume that Rassmusen Tracking was consistently, the couple of nights prior to Monday, at 48O-45M.
Assume that Gallup Tracking was consistently, the couple of nights prior to Monday, at 45O-45M.
(Both assumptions are imprecise but cannot be too far off, given the published averages).
Ignore for the sake of the argument any rounding effects.
We conclude that:
Both trackers found on Monday polling the same shocking O42-M48.
On Tuesday polling, Rasmussen found O48-M47.
On Tuesday polling, Gallup found O48-M39.
Several conclusions:
- The consensus of both trackers on Monday suggests something real and quite terrible was going on. Apparently it took a couple of days for Biden to sink in and when it did, the result was awful.
- The first night of the convention completely removed this. (Did the Obama campaign anticipate just how badly the Biden choice will be taken and timed it so that no lasting damage will be done, thanks to a quick Convention Bounce?).
- The Convention effect of the first night was massive. This of course may be precisely because the pre-convention background was so terrible.
- Methodologically, we should notice that trends in the 3-day polling average may poorly reflect the underlying day-to-day trends: today's dip in Rasmussen's average must represent a huge improvement on a day-to-day comparison.
On this date in history, August 27, 2009, on the fivethirtyeight.com comment page, jack_black was proved a liar. Again.
MR-
In any event, you are a douche.
There are so many babies here. You can dish it out but you can't take it. This is a Election Prediction site... not the "Democrats Only". Screaming and crying about banning people because their "prediction" is different than yours just doesn't pass the smell test.
I think it's pretty disgusting that if you show yourself to have any type of conservative point of view, you are called an ignorant troll... and much worse. Then you want to cry foul if it's thrown back in your face.
Grow up. If Mr. Nate wants to turn his website into just another liberal hack site he can do so... but it would have to be made public and that would hurt his little business here.
I saw a comment this morning with some SurveyUSA polls in OH, PA, MI and FL.
They´re false.
It's good that the voters of Ohio either convicted or threw out all the gooper trash. Now there's a chance for a fair election there. Blackwell should be in jail for life.
Dear John,
I know you like me, but I must let you down easily; I only post the leaners and on August 27, 2004, in the Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll, John Kerry led President George Bush 48% to 47%.
Do you wantto know the final results of this 2004 election.
Josh,
You are obviously a NAZI, as banning seems to be in your blood. Perhaps you have some books you would like to burn on the courthouse square.
xyz-your not even worth my time!
I'm sure Mule Rider has something he wants to tell you!
Cugel said...
"In Colorado when I voted in the local election a couple of weeks ago, I was informed my early voting ballot would be mailed to me by sometime in mid October so that I could complete it by October 20."
I've posted extensively on this issue and on Colorado's early voting system.
Bottomline - the GOP County Clerks pushed automatic mail-in balloting heavily and the result is that the major GOP counties are ALL above 40%. Democrat stronghold, Pueblo, is at 9%. The GOP use of auto mail in reistration will offset the Obama ground game.
Caveat - How many Dems registered in the streets of Denver during the DNC to vote mail in in Colorado ... I'm worried they've got a rat in play.
It is now coming out that Biden may be lying about the car wreck that killed his daughter.
He claims the driver of the truck was drunk, but it turns out the Delaware Attorney General and the daughter of the man driving the truck are saying otherwise.
Humanist-
Good post! I'd been rolling those around in my head, and it kept coming out something like that. I just wish we could get a series of data that allows us to nail down one day. Once that's cracked, everything else should fall.
Dear Kennyb,
You are obviously ignorant or have been drinking;
It is not yet August 27, 2009, at least not in anybody's world that I know-perhaps you are just out of your league!!
Please do not comment about me until you learn today's date.
He claims the driver of the truck was drunk, but it turns out the Delaware Attorney General and the daughter of the man driving the truck are saying otherwise.
You mean his daughter is alive?
No, the driver who was driving the truck that killed his wife and daughter wasn't drunk like he claims. He was sober.
Biden's mouth strikes again. He might have to be dropped from the ticket.
Akron Buckeye Poll:
Tied at 40.
Some important keys:
Obama's supporters are more satisfied with the candidates and enthusiastic about the campaign than McCain's supporters.
Only 45 percent of Clinton primary voters were supporting Obama.
McCain's age may be a bigger factor than Obama's race among Ohio voters.
A majority of registered voters say Obama will win Ohio in 2008, despite the fact that the candidates are tied in the level of support.
Man. Why is it that almost all the McCain supporters posting here are such dicks? I have friends and family who are gonna vote for McCain, but I've never seen any of them act like such attention-seeking whiners. Nate, Sean, seriously, they're in obvious violation of the one and only rule in the comments. Just kick them. No one is gonna buy their bullshit about being censored, they're too transparent.
Sorry, i don´t say that the poll is in Ohio.
Yours must have been a typo too, then, Jack?
MASON
PLease DNFTT
VA CON with a post like that it means you...
VCon,
The crap you pull out every day. Have you got a job man?
Doesn't it just pain you to have a candidate like McCain and realize that the only way you can win is talking about columns, celebrity complexes, and the prospect of VP's story of his daughter dying decades ago.
You are a joke man, nothing else. And so is McCain's campaign these days.
DCM, it's a news story. It will be on Inside Edition.
Are you calling the Attorney General who investigated the wreck in the 70s a liar? What about the guys daughter, whose father Biden slandered by stating falsely that he was a drunk driver?
This is another John Edwards story waiting to blow up. Unfortunatley for you, this guy is actually on the ticket!
Jack Black,
Please post a link to those mythical 2004 "leaners" you're apparently now quoting. Otherwise, I think we can all assume you're blatantly lying as you always do.
Speaking as a native Oregonian, I have just kind of take mail-in elections for granted. I like getting my ballot in the mail and being able to sit down and read the candidates bios while voting! I also like the minty fresh taste as I lick the envelope!
I do kind of think it would be nice to vote in at least one old style election, with crowded lines in school gyms and the like, but we can't have everything!
Seriously, though, in Oregon it hasn't even been an issue. AFAIK, no mainstream group on any side wants to rescind it. It also hasn't caused any huge political shifts. Take a look at Oregon and Washington, which have very similar politics and demographics. Oregon has vote by mail elections, but it isn't like Oregon has some type of upsurge of populist politicans taking advantage of the easier voting.
So I don't know if it has an overall effect. Of course, even if it reaches younger voters by 1 or 2 percent, that could make a difference in some states!
VC-
* whosh *
Old news.
http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/12-07bidencrash.asp
More on topic,
Do we know how much the Obama campaign is investing in getting information to college students about absentee ballots and whatnot? I knew people in college during the last presidential election cycle that just didn't bother voting because they were away at school at the time. Does Obama trust those kids to vote enough to drop money educating/assisting them?
Dario, I think "Akron Buckeye" poll covered it! That's more "Ohio" than acutally saying "Ohio".
VC
Even if what you say is true, which I'm sure its not, what difference would it make? Are the ghouls at the GOP really going to mine this tragedy for a small political edge? GOP the party of pimps and whores.
Moondancer-
It's just more of Biden's B.S.
Stephen
We mailed out 2300 w/sase in our county alone.
Adam and Kennyb,
Read it and weep
Survey of 1,500 Likely Voters over preceding 3 nights. This table updated daily
RR
Presidential Tracking
(no leaners)
Presidential Tracking
(with leaners)
Core Support
("Certain" Voters)
Bush Kerry Spread Bush Kerry Spread Bush Kerry
Aug 31 47 46 B + 1 49 48 B + 1 42 40
Aug 30 47 46 B + 1 48 48 Tie 42 38
Aug 29 48 45 B + 3 49 47 B + 2 41 37
Aug 28 47 46 B + 1 48 47 B + 1 40 38
Aug 27 46 46 Tie 47 48 K + 1 40 40
Aug 26 47 46 B + 1 49 48 B + 1 41 41
Aug 25 47 47 Tie 48 49 K + 1 40 40
Aug 24 47 47 Tie 49 49 Tie 41 39
Aug
Yes Kenny, but it´s interesting.
VC,
If you're *seriously* suggesting that a small factual error in the retelling of a man's wife and infant daughter dying should be brought up...
What kind of monster are you? Is that really how you want to win an election? Can you possibly imagine what the man went through?
If *that*, of all things, convinces even a single voter, then we as a country have utterly failed, and we deserve everything coming to us.
Adam-
The man's reputation was ruined when Biden said he had been drinking, apparently he and his daughter are none too happy about that.
Jack Black,
I wanted a LINK. Not your cut and paste. I want to see the trend from now until the election. Show me what page you're getting it from.
Adam-
If *that*, of all things, convinces even a single voter, then we as a country have utterly failed, and we deserve everything coming to us.
Why do you hate America?
OK, jack_black, fair enough, with leaners. My apologies; you merely spin, not lie.
Since VC was kind enough to link to the Delaware Grapevine article about Mrs. Biden's death, and that article discusses Biden's 1987 faux pas in New Hampshire, I thought I'd share this update on that story:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080825/NEWS01/808250356/1043/NEWS01
The man responsible for the Biden outburst is now a supporter.
"DCM, it's a news story. It will be on Inside Edition.
Are you calling the Attorney General who investigated the wreck in the 70s a liar? What about the guys daughter, whose father Biden slandered by stating falsely that he was a drunk driver?"
The man's wife and daughter died in a car wreck! Attacking a man for getting a detail wrong about the greatest tragedy of his life over three decades ago is as bad as rooting for a hurricane to strike the U.S. during the Republican convention. And do you really think any criticism of this isn't going to rebound doubly back on the douchebag who brings it up? If John McCain knows what he's doing (and I tend to think that he does) he'll stay as far the hell away from this as possible. Jeeze, it'd be like criticizing a guy for being captured by the North Vietnamese 40 years ago.
I just wonder if Biden is going to recount his story in the speech tonight.
Remember the facts--there was no errant drunken driver, no drinking, no speeding, and not even bad brakes according to the article Mason sent me.
Keep that in mind during the speech.
moondancer--
You rule. ;)
The man's reputation was ruined when Biden said he had been drinking, apparently he and his daughter are none too happy about that.
Maybe he should file a lawsuit.
Sean,
you're wrong about Ohio. Sept.30-Oct. 6 is just a weird new window to have same day registration and absentee voting. Oct.6-Nov. 1 is no fault early absentee voting throughout the state.
Here's Biden's supposed "lie":
"A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly – and I never pursued it – drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”
Yeah, you Republicans should definitely pursue this. I want to see McCain's ad out tomorrow.
Kent (and oh 09 dem) is correct.
Absentee ballots are required to be ready 35 days before the election. Anyone can get an absentee ballot and "vote early" starting on September 30th (and obviously ending November 3rd).
The dates between the 30th and October 6th refer to the "same-day registration loophole". In Ohio, you must be registered 30 days before the election. Because absentee ballots must be available 35 days before the election, there is a short window that implies one can register and vote on the same day. It all hinges on if you are "registered" after completing paperwork or after some other bureaucratic functions that get you in the database.
Needless to say, expect some court proceedings to determine the law here.
VC,
You have absolutely, completely no shame whatsoever. I have literally lost the last shred of respect I had for you with you trying to push this incredible tragedy to try to gain 1% in polls.
You should be utterly ashamed of yourself, and I hope your wife and kids have the decency you do not.
Adam,
I get the impression that you are the one, and sit at the feet of the chosen one, so why don't you find it yourself.
*shrugs*
I don't get pissed at you guys when you claim McCain lied about the cross in the dirt while he was being tortured as a POW! Jeeze.
I don't get pissed at you guys when you claim McCain lied about the cross in the dirt while he was being tortured as a POW! Jeeze.
McCain didn't die.
Jack Black,
I looked. The pages I found did not include leaners (and in fact, Rasmussen did not list them until earlier this year).
Then I asked for you a link. You responded by typing out some numbers. I asked you again, and you just flat-out refused.
You're clearly either being incredibly obtuse for no apparent reason, or just making up numbers to try to spin already irrelevant facts to an unknown purpose.
"I don't get pissed at you guys when you claim McCain lied about the cross in the dirt while he was being tortured as a POW!"
You seemed pretty appalled at DCM's appearing to be rooting for Hurricane Gustavus to make U.S. landfall in the last thread. And I agreed with you there.
"McCain didn't die."
Neither did Biden.
And a lot of McCain's friends and fellow POWs either died or never returned.
McCain-Hutchinson?.
McCain trolls love the Gallup tracker when McCain pulls even or goes ahead by one -- once movement is detected towards Obama the McCain trolls immediately start spewing on about the Rasmussen tracking poll and how Obama can't pull ahead, no Biden VP bounce, DEM convention bounce is FOR MCCAIN (if you trust Ras). Reading McCain troll BS on the polls is like their little game of 'whack a mole' -- whichever poll shows McCain improving is flavor of the day.
These CNN state polls should be taken with a grain of salt. But it seems like just about everybody realizes that Obama has put the BIG push out to pick up IA, NM and CO -- hold Kerry's states and pick up these three and he's #44. And it looks like Obama's ground game is doing the job very well in these three states plus he's pulling ahead in NV. Statistically tied in VA and OH and only three or so down in NC. PA is holding steady at about Obama +5 and NH becomes the only real concern for holding all the blue states.
I really don't see where the gleefulness (or should I say gleeful denial) in the McCain trolls comes from.
They celebrate the fact that the national polls are close -- so what? McCain is barely ever shown ahead. It seems like McCain's ceiling is in Obama's basement.
At the end of the day, right now (it could all change), two red states are pretty blue (IA and NM), two other red states are teetering like humpty-dumpty (CO and NV) and two other red states are too close to call and Obama may very well pick up one of them (OH and VA). Only one Blue state may tilt McCain (NH). MI is consistently blue (if by only 2-3 points) and PA looks ok.
So, we'll see how angry the trolls get in the days to come or how gleeful they'll be if Obama gets no bounce. But even with no bounce, he's still ahead in the electoral college.
It wouldn't be particularly hard to find who is worthy of banning here. And there are people worthy of banning here.
They are definitely ruining the comments section for the vast majority of us.
I also wouldn't mind if the owners deleted the pointless comments themselves, but I can understand if they aren't interested in spending the time to do so.
Tomthress-
I would never root for anyone's children or spouse being killed in a car accident.
Rasmussen comes out at 6:30am Pacific, Gallup at 10am.
Is there any difference in the time of day when they stop polling? It just seems there is a bit of lag with Rasmussen.
Monday was really good for McCain--48-42, but was there that much variation yesterday? My hunch is that Gallup will show a bigger convention bounce than Rasmussen.
VCON,
Don't appear weak. You have done nothing wrong. At first it looks bad for Biden, but perhaps the death ofhis familyis not the way to go. However, there have been so many left wing trolls on this site dispariging John McCain and his Vietnam Service, almost anything goes.
Adam, can you please turn down your glow, you are blinding me, please ask the Angels that surround you and blow horns when you enter the board to turn down their glow as well.
Stick in the dirt cartoon-Toles
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=08212008
Neither did Biden.
And a lot of McCain's friends and fellow POWs either died or never returned.
Wife and child. Clearly you've never suffered the loss of either.
tomthress
who are you arguing with ? that quote you pasted was from VA CON - not me.
what a doofus ! take it up with your sleazy pall VA CON...
anyway, you are both hypocritical asses. jump on me when I report that NOAA is now projecting Gustav to have amajor impact in the gulf this weekend.
plus already it is affecting oil prices & rigs in the gulf are shutting down.
as of this afternoon NOAA IS WARNING THE ENTIRE GULF REGION TO PREPARE FOR A major STORM - and New Orleans is at the center of the current projection for landfall on Monday [Labor Day].
all gulf region states have been warned to prepare now.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at2.shtml?5day#contents
"Gustav may swirl into the Gulf of Mexico over the weekend and could threaten the U.S. Gulf Coast by Labor Day. While Gustav's future strength is not certain at this time, it is expected to be a hurricane--possibly a major one--by the time it reaches the Gulf. All interests along the Gulf Coast should pay very close attention to this potentially dangerous storm."
why do those facts make you so nervous, phool ?
OK, so we can call McCain out for exaggerating a personal tragedy.
But Biden is off limits.
"I would never root for anyone's children or spouse being killed in a car accident."
Trying to score political points off of the death of a man's wife and daughter seems like it's pretty clearly on the same side of the ethics line to me.
Adam,
If you wish to know the numbers, please tune in Monday thru Friday, till the election day.
You still have not dimmed that glow.
VC,
I don't know why I bother arguing with you. But since you're so daft, I'll give it a shot.
The reason people made an issue about the "cross in the dirt" story was because McCain *never* used it before 1999, when he decided to first run for president and needed to appeal to evangelicals. Seriously. He didn't. Find me a counterexample.
Now, keep in mind, McCain had already written a book recounting in very high detail his POW experience. Don't you think that very powerful story would have made it in this book?
Also, he wrote something for the military recounting in very high detail the Christmases he spent imprisoned, as an inspirational story. Again, he didn't use the Christmas cross story, even though it would have clearly been the hit of the piece. Why didn't he?
So, people were saying, that's pretty suspicious. It's not really a big deal (just like Biden here isn't), but really, why would you make something like that up? And if not, why would you keep it a secret for 30 years when you mentioned pretty much everything about your POW experience in an effort to inspire others. It just seems weird, that's all.
I'll drop it but I'll just remember this the next time people start making fun of McCain's time in prison.
Adam I agree with you. And why would a person exaggerate what is already a compelling personal tragedy, like one Joe Biden has? I don't get that, either.
On this date in history, August 27, 2004, Jack Black was a jackass.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Jack Black,
So, in other words, every Monday through Friday we're going to see numbers you just made up and refuse to provide a link to. Just like the fake polls in the last thread. Wow, that should really put fear in people's hearts.
So, what was the last day Kerry held a lead according to your secret sources?
OK, so we can call McCain out for exaggerating a personal tragedy.
I'm sorry.... What was McCain's "personal tragedy"? Getting shot down? His own fault.
Becoming a POW? Don't join up.
Being tortured? He lived, but it's not a "tragedy".
Losing his fellow POW that he may or may not have known? This one is the closest, but it doesn't even approach losing a family member.
I'm done with this line.
Michael is spot on in New Mexico. I'm also a neighborhood team member in the state and we've really been pushing the early voting applications, getting them to fill them out at the door or sending them out after phone calls.
We're not just talking just Albuquerque, Las Cruces and Santa Fe either. There are people on the ground in < 2000 person towns such as Hatch.
I'd say the mental scars of losing your wife and child might be comparable with the mental scars of five years torture.
VC,
"And why would a person exaggerate what is already a compelling personal tragedy, like one Joe Biden has? I don't get that, either."
Exactly. They're both things that they didn't really need to say. I imagine that politicians in general tend to exaggerate when it suits them, and calling them out on it doesn't really matter (except for Kerry's war record and Gore inventing the internet, of course). Funny how it only goes one direction.
"who are you arguing with ? that quote you pasted was from VA CON - not me.
what a doofus ! take it up with your sleazy pall VA CON"
I'm arguing with VA Con. I thought that was obvious (he seems to realize it). I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy in thinking that mortal tragedy should be off-limits in one case (people could die in a hurricane) but fair game in another (the death of Biden's wife and daughter).
As for the hurricane updates, look, I already explained my position. It sounded like you were rooting for it because of the "irony" of it hitting NOLA while Bush was at his convention. I'll take you at your word that you weren't and I'll drop it.
VA CON
the ONLY one making fun of McCain's time as a POW was McCain himself !
oh, did you hear him say that seriously was his excuse on Leno ?
and John used the serious statement stuff while Leno wanted to joke about it - such a tool.
besides which candidate has been on Leno 13 times now as compared to once for the 'celebrity' ?
but he is a POW w/o a kitchen table...
s stated:
In Ohio, "They offer early voting from Sept. 30 up until Election Day:
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/voters.aspx
(scroll down to "Vote in person at the Board of Elections")
Voter registration ends on Oct. 6, so Sept. 30-Oct. 6 would be the only period where you could show up, register, and vote."
In most counties there will be two ways to vote early, request an absentee ballot, and mail or deliver to arrive at the county BOE on or before election day;
Physically arrive at a designated early voting location and vote prior to election day.
In Columbus (Franklin County) The BOE is renting Veterans Coliseum and providing extended hours for early voting. Columbus had many precints with 3 hour waits in 2004.
Remember that Ken "Bond paper" Blackwell is no longer Ohio's Katherine Harris, and the current head of state elections Brunner is a Democrat of integrity.
NM is safe blue. This is obvious.
And CO this year is more blue than NV. I think Obama take NM and CO and NV goes to McCain by a small margin.
Obama was just placed in nomination by a Republican veteran...
now that is a military hero I can respect !
Remember the problems with the machines in OH in 2004. I don´´t know who won in this state.
ok, let's all agree...
DNFTT
I knew Mexico was a lost cause from the beginning given the Republican Party's implosion with hispanics. There isn't much hope there.
Does anyone know who will nominate Hillary?
on CNN it is all about GUSTAV right now, including people leaving to go to NO to prepare for the storm...
NO starting to prepare for an evacuation already...
thank goodness !
Interesting tidbits from Plouffe via Ambinder:
http://tinyurl.com/5n4d8p
He repeated, with emphasis, that the campaign does not care about national polling. Instead, the campaign's own identification, registration and canvassing efforts provide the data he uses to determine where to invest money and resources.
Other nuggets from Plouffe:
** If McCain doesn't win Colorado, "he has a 5% chance to win the election."
** He believes that they have "a slight edge" in Virginia.
** He said Obama is underperforming only among working class whites over 70 and pointed to a poll showing that Obama is over performing John Kerry with working class white voters under 50.
** Said that the campaign's target in Georgia is about 47% of the vote, owing to Ex-Rep. Bob Barr's ability to siphon votes away from John McCain.
** Said HIllary Clinton's speech "could not have gone better."
** Said the campaign "is really pleased" with where they are in Montana.
I'm especially interested in his assessment that if McCain loses Colorado, he has only a 5% chance to win the election. Nate and Sean, do your simulations agree? It would be pretty nifty to have more of these types of scenarios for all the tipping-point states.
Bobby Jindal will do a good job with recovery and preparedness, don't worry.
Personally, there has been/is unnecessary, evocative language from a few posters on both sides of the political spectrum.
You know, kids, the real challenge is to get your point across in a positive way. I realize schools have fallen behind, but way, way back in the olden days, teachers used to make that an exercise.
Try it. Who knows...you might discover you have hidden talents.
NO is evacuatiing? Praise the Lord!
well I hope Jindal is preparing for it, but that might put the kabosh on his VP chances...
Mayor Nagin & other DEMs are heading home to prepare tonight & tomorrow already...
Maybe Ray Naigin learned how to use the school buses to move people out this time.
DCM-
If he does a good job it will catapult him to the Presidency next time if McCain loses.Also, if there are no oil spills it will make the concerns about offshore drilling look silly.
VACon,
Actually, Mexico is not in play this election no matter the numbers.
Bryan,
Thanks for the polls. The analysis from CNN shows just how useless they've become: talking about how 55-45 edges for Obama among women and McCain among men are "huge."
As for the numbers themselves it's all as expected except Nevada, which I suspect will be proven an outlier in the coming weeks. There could be movement towards Obama but I highly doubt he holds that kind of lead in reality.
VC:
Given your previous propensity for posting phony claims (remember your bs about your taxes?) when you make claims like that they will be presumed to be phony unless you post a link or some other method of verifying them.
BTW, if the guy is only making that claim now, so many years after the event, where was he other times that Biden was running?
And the fact that he states that he wasn't drunk then does not mean that he wasn't.
If his life was "ruined" why didn't he do somoething about it in the meantime.
Let's just say this sounds like a politically motivated attack without substantial basis in fact. But we'll wait and see what transpires. You maybe like the proverbial blind squirrel.
eponymous-
Ha! I just caught that mistake now. Thanks.
We could always finish the job President Polk started in 1846 and put it in play! ;)
VA CON
you & others jumped on me a few hours ago for even mentioning this storm, but I hope you see now that we here in hurricane alley take our storm projections seriously !
this is hopefully not going to be a major disaster, but after Katrina no one with a brain could take a chance on not getting prepared NOW !
fortunately for the GOPers their party is not in the Superdome this year [that would have been bad for everyone]
DCM-
Once burned, twice shy.
VC-
Don't make it a partisan thing. It's a "This has happened before"-thing. Besides, all the really poor people left after Katrina and never came back. That one was a threw a short, powerful left hook. This one can be seen coming from five days out. It's track has also been drifting right for the last couple of days, and if that trend continues, it could wind up hitting AL or FL.
I'm not sure how arduous Virginia's process is in practice. Though my experience is several decades old, I voted for the first time for president via an absentee ballot in 1992 when I was in college. If I recall, I had to mail in a request with my excuse (that I had to request via telephone be sent to me), and they sent me a ballot. I voted for Bill Clinton, convinced my GOP friends to vote for Ross Perot, and enjoyed 8 years of prosperity.
I'm just saying it would be interesting to see how Jindal responds since he is supposed to be a rising star.
Let's ALL hope it just gets broken up by sheer winds and cold water.
If his life was "ruined" why didn't he do somoething about it in the meantime.
Yeah... Like sue!
Let's ALL hope it just gets broken up by sheer winds and cold water.
And you chide us for irrational hope (j/k). The Gulf is warm during August and the chances for shear winds to break it up looks low. Though they may keep it to a weak hurricane. But the sentiment is good.
MASON
I hope GUSTAV stalls & withers out in the gulf. A few days ago the model showed it maybe hitting mainland FL again, but now the best track pushes it to the left.
So maybe the panhandle or AL, but looking more likely to be LA or TX. none of that is good since it is all oil territory.
But at least if they have to evacuate they can move inland. A major storm hitting south or central FL does not leave anywhere for us to evacuate except to try to all squeeze north on a few routes into GA & beyond.
HELLO GUYS.
McCain was not tortured. The Vietnamese did use some (entirely kosher) enhanced interrogation techniques...but let's be honest, that's hardly TORTURE. God, what a strong word. You guys harboring some racist prejudice toward Vietnamese?
DCM are you anywhere near it's path?
We could always finish the job President Polk started in 1846 and put it in play! ;)
Ha! Mexicans keep trying to cross the border and get drivers' licenses, tuition, benefits, etc... clearly they support the annexation of Mexico. Immigration problem solved!
Then we can support Quebecois separatism, destabilizing Canada, then we can offer Alberta statehood...
Okay, I'm getting carried away... ;)
DCM-
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/graphics/al07/loop_5W.shtml
Looks like we're both right... I started out aimed at FL for the first two advisories, but they weren't quite sure where it was going. Then they started swinging the track left. After Advisory 8 they stated bringing it back right.
Careful, Citizen Grim.
You might start scaring the Paultards.
VA CON
Time will tell if Jindal is a serious candidate in 4 years whether McCain wins or not this time. I doubt he will run for re-election @ age 76.
But Jindal has less experience in government than Obama - so this time he would ruin that argument if selected for VP by McCain, agreed ?
Anyway, I was wondering if you saw in that favorable poll for McCain yesterday by Strategic Vision that they asked this question of all voters polled:
"Q #10. Would you favor or oppose John McCain selecting Florida Governor Charlie Crist as his vice presidential candidate?
Favor 34%
Oppose 52% <<<<< [wow]
Undecided 14% "
If the GOPers study those numbers there is no way Chain Gang Charlie Crist will get the VP nod. He would probably ensure that McCain would lose FL in retribution.
As for Pawlenty, a recent poll in MN showed much the same reaction by the Land 'o' Lakers. They do not support TPaw for VP [especially the INDs] and would vote to punish McCain if he selects him.
So much for VP's helping to lock down a state !
Looks like Romney or an unexpected long shot ?
I just heard an interesting tidbit from Fox News. Apparently the McCain camp has reserved a special cell at Guantanamo Bay for the three weeks between the conventions and the debates. Seems the plan is to actually put Senator McCain away for those three weeks in order to make one last play on his POW status. Hopes are this will gin up sympathy and votes for a lackluster campaign that's got no other options left.
MASON
yes, Gustav projection changes by the hour almost.
so wait an hour and maybe we will both be wrong if it heads to the Yucatan !
Obama leads in Florida!
45 percent to 44.
According to a new Mason Dixon poll
Looks like 'ole Johnny boy is in trouble in the sunshine state.
The only way he can win there is if he picks Lieberman.
Jindal at least has SOME executive experience. The only thing Obama ever ran was his Senate office.
But you're right--that is why he won't be VP.
"I just heard an interesting tidbit from Fox News. Apparently the McCain camp has reserved a special cell at Guantanamo Bay for the three weeks between the conventions and the debates. Seems the plan is to actually put Senator McCain away for those three weeks in order to make one last play on his POW status. Hopes are this will gin up sympathy and votes for a lackluster campaign that's got no other options left."
- Tito
You, sir, are a god. Nicely done.
Virginia Conservative said...
I just wonder if Biden is going to recount his story in the speech tonight.
Remember the facts--there was no errant drunken driver, no drinking, no speeding, and not even bad brakes according to the article Mason sent me.
You mean he hit them on purpose?
What other reason is left?
P.S. Had a post that didn't post earlier. Both Rasmussen and Gallup really did have a McCain +6 day on Monday by my math. So if Obama is +3 today and tomorrow (like he's had most of the time), he's going to appear to have a 4 point bounce on Friday.
I suppose that's one way to have a big bounce!
VA CON
I am in central FL where Fay just sat on top of us for severaql days last week.
More specifically I live near the coast [on the ICW] south of Daytona in the infamous Volusia County FWIW.
Yes, the Volusia County of 2000 election 'fame'... as shown in the movies & documentaries.
Here in Volusia Co was where one electronic machine alone in 2000 reported a NEGATIVE 16,000 votes against Gore which was what initially caused all the news to pull their projections. And they never did fully explain it or get it resolved properly. In fact, yesterday was a primary election in FL and some of those same machines were still in use !
But this year locally we will have a strong DEM candidate Kosmas to run against the noxious REP Feeney [tainted by Jack Abramoff] for congress.
One can always dream !
Obama leads in FL 45-44.
If he pick Lieberman, he´ll win iin FL but he lost in OH, CO, NV, MT and lose the election.
deadpixel,
1. Link?
2. There's no way McCain can win ANYTHING if he picks Lieberman, everyone knows it.
VA Con,
In a senator-versus senator election, nobody has executive experience. The closest thing either candidate has come to running a large political organization is the running of their own campaigns, which are actually sizable organizations. By that standard, Obama seems to have done a great job by all accounts as an executive. By this standard, McCain did a terrible job as an executive for the first 8-10 months of his campaign but then really turned things around...on the job training, anyone?
Lieberman will be a disaster for McCain, the conservatives and independents hates him.
Mark-
McCain was the commander of a naval squadron. That counts.
If Lieberman is VP, I stay home.
Wow, you're amazing. That's all that need be said.
I figure someone here knows - why would a state pass on the roll call?
Either they don't have all their delegates present, or they want to make sure the nominee's home state puts him over the top for symbolic reasons.
Only one thing would guarantee a no vote on President from me and that would be McCain picking a pro murder VP. I hope it doesn't come to that but I will never vote for a pro abortion candidate. Millions of voters would be in the same boat.
As a McCain supporter I am worried about what is by all accounts the huge gap in the quality of their respective ground games. Yet I wonder if Sean is overrating the importance of ground organization. In these mass media dominated dominated times with relatively weak levels of party loyalty GOTV efforts have become increasingly less effective. I think the bump Obama will receive from his GOTV effort will be relatively small.
Now John, you make a good point. Pro-Choice is a much fairer and accurate portrayal of people's position than pro-abrtion. But then you go and trash genuine pro-lifers, (as almost all pro-life are genuine about their beliefs) as doing so for selfish motives. You should be more fair.
BenJones,
GOTV efforts are all about getting a small bump in the right places in order to win. I live in Alabama, and there is practically no ground game here, and there shouldn't be because Obama won't win this state. But in places like Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, etc, where the impact could be such a large portion of the margin between candidates is what makes it important.
Look at it this way: If Al Gore had a ground game, or a more effective ground game, in Florida that would have produced 0.25% more turnout for him, he would have won by 8,000-10,000 votes.
How about we who are pro-life stop being accused of being mouth breathing sexists who want to rule over women as chattel?
BenJones wrote,
"I think the bump Obama will receive from his GOTV effort will be relatively small."
How small doesn't matter? If this election is inside of 300 EV we may well have either a single tipper or a few states under 1%. An extra net 20,000 votes in Colorado from superior GOTV is huge. If it cost me $50 per marginal net vote, that $1 million delivering 20,000 is the best money I could spend. All the down ticket races that effort tips are freebies.
Obama's ground game should NOT be underestimated. It will be impressive and might well be the difference in the race.
The GOP has zero ground energy ... it reminds me of Dole in 1996.
Our advantage is that our people vote out of a sense of duty and responsibility and tend to be more self-reliant. (Please don't take that as an insult to Ds, its simply a true observation).
McCain was the correct choice by default. As much as he aspires to be; he is not Reagan.
Cheers
@eponymous: Here's the link for the new Mason Dixon poll.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080827/NEWS0107/80827047/1075
This is a good result for Obama in FL but it´s his the first lead since July (Quinnipiac).
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0827/17312639.pdf
Mason-Dixon Poll with all the fun data.
Nate just posted a nice short congratulation to Obama on this historic day.
I hope Sean has voted early - the 'tosser'.
Hey folks, I may be able to clarify somewhat about Virginia absentee.
Virginia is an odd state in terms of voting. First of all, a lot of college towns in Virginia make it very hard for students to vote locally. For example, there are no polling places on Virginia Tech's campus, if I remember correctly. Local re-registration for college students is discouraged.
Absentee ballots are not hard to get, though people do tend to forget to apply for them by the deadline. There are usually ballot-request drives alongside the voter-registration drives.
The trick is how they COUNT the absentee ballots. That is to say, they supposedly don't count them at all unless it's likely that the absentee ballots will change the outcome of the election.
Anyway, you should double-check all of this. I've been living in Texas now for just over a year, and I did finally re-register in Blacksburg (where VT is) my fourth year there--thus, didn't vote absentee after that--so my memory may be faulty.
Cheers,
John Woods
The information on Ohio is inaccurate. Ohio's no reason absentee voting 'early vote' period runs from September 30 to November 3 (so long as an absentee ballot is postmarked by Nov. 3 a board of elections will count it). Anyone can vote absentee for any reason during that entire 35 day period. Sean might be confusing the absentee voting period with the five-day period that runs from Sept 30-Oct 6 where people can both register and vote simultaneously, as early voting starts September 30 and the registration period ends October 6. In fact, the Ohio Secretary of State has issued a directive mandating boards of elections to develop procedures to allow people to register, and then vote in one trip to their board of election office during the Sep. 30-Oct. 6 period. But October 6 does not mark the end of early absentee voting; rather absentee voting extends up to Nov. 3.
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