8.22.2008

Senate Polling Weekly Update, 8/22

While we have been devoting most of our attention to the Presidential race, the Democrats may now have their clearest path yet to a chance of controlling 60 seats in the Senate.



The Democratic caucus is presently 51 seats, including independents Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders. That means they'd need flip 9 Republican seats to reach 60.

A victory for Mark Warner in Virginia appears all but certain, barring a last-minute effort to draft him as Barack Obama's running mate. Although a recent Rasmussen poll in New Mexico shows substantial tightening in that race, the state can still be considered Safe Democrat. Jeanne Shaheen continues to hold onto a safe-looking lead in New Hampshire. While we're not yet ready to call it a lock, a victory for Mark Begich over indicted incumbent Ted Stevens is highly probable in Alaska. And Colorado, after having tightened some in the last update, has moved slightly back to Mark Udall in this week's edition, perhaps in response his flip-flop on offshore drilling.

That's five seats. The other four are tougher, but the Democrats now have a better idea of which are the best targets. Three of the four have always been on the short list: those are Mississippi, which needs to be polled more but still appears to be their best chance, Minnesota, where the polling has been difficult to interpret but still indicates a competitive race for Al Franken, and Oregon, which has moved slightly toward Gordon Smith in recent weeks but where Jeff Merkley remains within striking distance. The new addition to the list is North Carolina, where three fresh polls from Civitas, SurveyUSA and InsiderAdvantage all show Liddy Dole's lead dwindling to between 0 and 5 points, perhaps in response to the surprisingly strong campaign run by Libertarian Chris Cole.

Other conceivable pickup opportunities have moved away from the Democrats. Tom Allen has yet to provide a rationale to convince Maine voters to dump Susan Collins, and there are arguments for abandoning the race. Texas and Kentucky remain marginally viable, but only if forbidding demographic obstacles can be overcome. Less conventional, but perhaps more intriguing opportunities exist in Idaho, a non-incumbent race, and Georgia, where Jim Martin has received a bounce following his primary victory. Partisan polling in Oklahoma also indicates a tightening race, but we have yet to see independent polls to confirm it.

The GOP, meanwhile, is having little luck in trying to make Democratic-held seats competitive. Louisiana, which had looked like their best opportunity, has moved to a 17-point lead for Mary Landrieu in a new Rasmussen poll. Our model is now characterizing Louisiana as "safe" Democrat, which is probably aggressive, but John N. Kennedy is a poorly-organized opponent.

70 comments

x0lani said...

This is so ironic. Obama struggles to win the national election but the Democrats handily take a majority in the Senate!? Or, the Democrats and Al Franken... ;)

It just doesn't make sense. There must be a reason for this. Are Dems better at acquiring pork for their constituents? Is it backlash agains the Republicans? In either case, why isn't Obama benefiting by association? Obama isn't an unusual democrat, policy-wise.

Dan Murphy said...

It is interesting to see your model of the race between Cornyn and Noriega showing it so lopsided. As a voter in this race I have received emails from all sorts of national dems like Jim Webb and I get calls from the Noriega campaign at least once a week. They are really fighting this one like it is competitive. You would never know what a long shot it is on the ground here.

x0lani said...

Before someone points out the obvious flaw in my previous statement, let me refine my observations:

The Democrats are guaranteed a Senate majority no matter what. However, out of the 35 races that I count, we have 5 that are likely candidates to be flipped from Republican to Democrat. 0 will be flipped from Democrat to Republican.

The loss of Stevens' seat isn't much of a surpise with the indictment. (Maybe the series of tubes will go faster without his internets clogging them up... :P )

From a macro perspective this should indicate a net change in favor of the Democrats. Why isn't Obama benefiting from this and the established Democrats?

Yeah, Congress always has low approval ratings, but that's to be expected mathematically. It doesn't explain why Obama isn't benefiting.

Overrated said...

Biden soaring on Intrade - now 50 and climbing. I would say that is the best indicator to date. Predictions market is screaming Obama/Biden and McCain/Romney. Oh well, this should be a good test for Intrade.

edmundintokyo said...

x0lani: "From a macro perspective this should indicate a net change in favor of the Democrats. Why isn't Obama benefiting from this and the established Democrats?"

Because he's running against John McCain, who is far more popular than a generic Republican. Combined with a couple of % of peeved Hillary Clinton supporters.

edmundintokyo said...

overrated, seems to me that it's at times like this that the prediction markets are the most unreliable. Someone's price goes up and everyone thinks someone else might have some inside information, so no-one's bold enough to bet against the herd and the favourite's price goes up more. Making everyone even more sure that someone must have some inside information...

Like what happened here:
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2007/01/31/dunfermline-when-the-betting-was-last-completely-wrong/

Overrated said...

Intrade certainly is not infallible. I can remember it soaring in the last hours of the Kerry/Bush trade when info on the exit polls got leaked. Of course, the info was incorrect and Bush actually won. I would say, however, that it is more right than wrong....but certainly not infallible. We are about to witness another test here soon.

x0lani said...

edmundintokyo:
You're right! This happens because we select our presidents as individuals, not based purely on party affiliation as happens in a parliamentary system.

Overrated:
Prediction markets have the same problems as financial markets. They're vulnerable to bubbles from follow-the-leader effects. They're still pretty accurate though. Keep in mind that the trading price reflects a probability. It doesn't mean that the favored candidate will win.

That doesn't happen until the probability wave function collapses. Until then, all the candidates are the vice-presidential picks. See Schroedinger's cat for more on that topic... ;)

x0lani said...

Thanks Mule Rider, perfect example!

You see, markets also suffer from differences in public and private information, as well as unforseen changes. For example, a "538.com" market would probably assign a high value to Mule Rider repeating himself and calling Nate a wanker. This would be based on reliable public information. However, only Mule Rider himself would be able to decide whether to call Nate a wanker. Unless Mule Rider participates in the prediction market, there will be nothing to mitigate any error in the market. Furthermore, Mule Rider could get hit by a bus - chaos that couldn't be predicted by Mule Rider or the public, except maybe the bus driver. This would be another case of market failure, but with the added result of a wanker-less discussion board.

However, as it stands, I say buy.

Alex S. said...

Too bad, the Democrats will need 61 seats if Lieberman continues his journey towards the Republicans.


Regarding prediction markets, at the current state of the VP-race there must be a lot of irrationality in the numbers, because, seriously, everyone just wants to know the damn name now, OBAMA! GIVE US THAT NAME ;-).

x0lani said...

Hear hear, Alex! The Obama pick has turned into a real cliffhanger. I'm going to be glued to CNN tomorrow.

Back to prediction markets, something that is really interesting is how they've hovered around 60% for Obama and haven't really budged much - you see the same thing on Intrade and at the Iowa Election Markets. On the other hand, the polling data looks like a roller-coaster.

I wonder if Nate et al have any thoughts on that. Is the polling data more subject to a whimsical populace? Which is more accurate in the end?

Bronxx said...

My fear is that Sen.Obama's "cliffhanger" turns into a "cliffjumper" by the time we finally hear the answer. You can only expect people to hang on so long before it gets irritating and you're perceived as playing games with them.


x0lani - Gotta say, laughed my ass off. I'll definitely buy on any trades that MR will come to the next discussion board, post that Nate is a wanker, and make no meaningful contribution to the conversation. (The guy is a walking violation of the "Don't.Be.An.Asshole." policy.)

borderpeak said...

Don't all dems agree after seeing him in action in the presidential race that Lieberman has to go. We can't get to 60 without a miracle but if we could get to 57 we could put a lot of pressure on senators like Collins, Snowe, Lieberman and I don’t know who else because 57 would mean Coleman and Smith lost. A lot of pressure to vote for cloture can be put on republican senators from states that are not ultra conservative, especially if the bill is to the benefit of the middle and working classes. We either get the bill or a lot of ammunition for future elections. Pair threats with a few carrots and we can get a few allies more trustworthy than Lieberman.

Todd Dugdale said...

A new MPR poll in Minnesota shows Franken and Coleman tied:

The poll found 41 percent support Al Franken and 40 percent support Norm Coleman.
It's a survey of 763 likely Minnesota voters between Aug. 7 and 17. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.


The poll also showed Coleman's precarious approval rating: 46/42 (A/D). Coleman was not elected by a majority, but rather by a plurality in a three-way race. His failure as an incumbent to break 50% at any point in this race shows a fundamental weakness.

Franken's problem is consolidating Democratic support so soon after a fairly bruising primary in which his Democratic opponent's words are being used him. Sound familiar?

p smith said...

Much as I would like to see it, the Dems are never going to get to 60 seats.

5 gains are in the can (VA, NM, CO, AK and NH). They may be able to flip one or two of MN, GA, OR and MS but that is the maximum. I actually don't think they'll get anymore than five unless McCain implodes in the national race and people see the GOP brand for the evil cancer that it is.

Larry Parker said...

This is so ironic. Obama struggles to win the national election but the Democrats handily take a majority in the Senate!?

There are a variety of reasons why, here are two:

1) Obama is, of course, HALF BLACK! Just BLACK to the ignorant White masses. Us more enlightened (no pun intended) white folk forget this.

2) Obama is getting less suport than he should because there are so many voters with vaginas that knew that finally they were going to have a President with a vagina. But when the vagina bearing candidate lost the game, her supporters were so furious that they took their general election votes home. Some will give their votes to the hated arch-rival team.

jack black said...

On this date in history, August 22, 2004, in the Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll, John Kerry and President George Bush were tied 49% to 49%.

For final results, please see Presidential Inauguration, January 2005.

stop_the_stutter said...

ummmm maybe Obama isn't getting better polling because he's almost a socialist.

Ever consider that? I'm serious.

filistro said...

If the final result is 60 Dem seats including Lieberman, doesn't this put the little weasel back in a position of real power?

I was hoping to see him stripped of his committee assignments.

stop_the_stutter said...

Speaking of Lieberman...

I actually got a chance to vote FOR him a couple years back...it was cool. It helped keep that nutjob no-clue Lamont from getting elected.

Greg said...

Todd Dugdale
"...which his Democratic opponent's words are being used [against?] him. Sound familiar?"

Which opponent are you referring to?

Lord Faris has been quoted several times, but she is still his opponent (in the primary, which hasn't happened yet).

I haven't heard anything said by Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer being used now against Franken.

live renats said...

The Mule Rider's wank percentage keeps going up. Maybe if he saw Nate in breeches it would go up even higher? I don't know.

p.s. who is Lord Fuckris?

nkpolitics said...

Looking at the Senate Race where the Incumbent Party is trailing the Opposition Party and the Opposition Party is polling above the 50% mark.
AK- Begich 51-41. Begich wins by a 55-44 percent margin.
CO- Udall 47-41. Udall wins by a 52-47 percent margin.
NH- Shaheen 52-42. Shaheen wins by a 54-45 percent margin.
NM- Udall 55-39. Udall wins by a 57-42 percent.
VA- Warner 59-34. Warner wins by a 62-37 percent margin.

Looking at Senate Races where the Incumbent party is leading the opposition party but polling below the 50% mark.
MN- Coleman ahead 49-42. Coleman loses by a 50-49.
MS- Wicker ahead 48-44. Wicker loses by a 51-48.
NC- Dole ahead 47-41. Dole loses by a 52-47 percent margin.
OR- Smith ahead 48-41. Smith loses by a 51-48 percent margin.

The states we ought to be targeting is MN,MS,NC,and OR.

Bryan said...

Follow-up to the "PECOTA 26-50" thing yesterday: PECOTA 1-25. Top 10: Hanley Ramirez, David Wright, Pujols, Longoria, Sizemore, Jose Reyes, Mauer, A-Rod, Sabathia, Johan Santana. Brian McCann is 11th, Utley 13th. Ryan Braun (the modern-day Pete Browning) is 17th.

(I'm operating under the assumption that everyone else here also seems to be using, i.e. every thread is an open thread. Also, the formal open thread yesterday is over 200 comments.)

Bryan said...

NH- Shaheen 52-42. Shaheen wins by a 54-45 percent margin.


I'm not sold on this one; Sununu has more cash on hand than Shaheen ($2 million more, although in the past couple of quarters Shaheen's outraised him) and has yet to start advertising. Then again, back in 2006, Charlie Bass, the incumbent in NH-02, adopted the same strategy and is presently unemployed, so maybe this is my paranoia talking.

John said...

Rasmussen finally polled Indiana:

McCain leads 46-42 without leaners, 49-43 with leaners.

nkpolitics said...

Regarding VA. I need to ask if Gilmore is that unpopular. Looking at the 2006 PA US Senate Race. Rick Santorum lost to Bob Casey by a 59-41 percent margin. Santorum had the incumbency advantage and the money advantage. but looking at the Bloody 8th INCD. Ellsworth unseated Hoesttler by a 61-39 percent margin and Ellsworth outfundraised Hoesttler by a 10-1 ratio.

In NM. a recent polls shows Udall ahead by a 8 point margin. Looking at the 2006 OH US Senate Race. Sherrod Brown unseated Mike DeWine by a 56-44 percent margin despite DeWine's incumbency,moderate to conservative ideology and Sherrod Brown's percieved liberalism. Tom Udall is going to win by a 57-42 percent margin.

PeteKent said...

I had thought Sununu would be doing better and Landrieu doing worse. I was wrong. Sununu seems stuck down low and Landrieu is maintaining her lead.

It is interesting in both of these states, McCain is doing better than expected. Evidence of a ticket splitting mood perhaps.

I still think the NJ race could be the surprise election. Isn;t there always one shocker? this would be my pick.

Not so crazy. You have Quinnapiac showing Lautenberg up 7, think and ras showing him up 18. I think if age ever should be a factor it should be here. He'll be 90 before his term ends.

Apparently his challenger is a weak one. Shame on the reps for not recruting a better candidate.

Foregone Conclusion said...

"Maybe Obama isn't getting better polling because he's almost a socialist."

You've never lived in a country with a Socialist government in power or opposition, have you? Or, for that matter, studied politics in great depth. Otherwise, you would know that there is a diference between liberalism - and Obama is squarely in the liberal camp - and socialism. C'mon, he's not even a social democrat. Frankly, if universal health care is creeping socialism, bring it on.

That Indiana Rasmussen poll means that things haven't spiraled out of control for Obama there, as I feared - it is still a prospect. Things essentially haven't changed from five days ago, when Survey USA said that is was McCain +6.

Adam said...

Pete,

You're correct: with a stronger Republican candidate, Lautenberg could have been in serious trouble. He's about as uninspiring as a senator gets. Same with LA (recruiting someone who ran as a Democrat a couple years earlier? Really?). Those two races probably should have been a lot different. Same with Franken in MN.

morgan said...

I just have a simple question; maybe someone can help me out.

What happens in Delaware if Biden is the Obama's VP? It is a little late for another democrat to pick up a real campaign.

Todd Dugdale said...

Greg wrote:
Lord Faris has been quoted several times, but she is still his opponent (in the primary, which hasn't happened yet).

I stand corrected. The primary is not until 9/9. Thanks for pointing that out. I was thinking about the endorsement "race", and that's a done deal.

Still, the parallels remain that I alluded to: Middle-aged white woman running on "women's issues", almost identical on policy, but doing her best to sabotage the Party-endorsed candidate and portraying her male opponent as "unelectable". And, yes, her public attacks on Franken are being used by Coleman's campaign in an "even the Democrats hate Franken" mode. And she has little chance of winning the primary against the endorsed candidate, so she chooses to blow up the process.

The DFL primary process is deeply flawed, but it has worked largely because the "real" primary has always been the struggle for the Party endorsement. It would be political suicide to nominate Lord Faris and begin a campaign from scratch in September, especially since she is now closely aligned with Coleman in the minds of the voters. And, as the latest poll shows, Franken is tied, so is hardly "unelectable". If Lord Faris were serious about the Senate seat, she would have been campaigning for over a year like Franken has. Instead, she is trying to split the Party at the last minute with a "boys vs. girls" ploy.

Mason said...

MR-
Good to see you're still a douche.
Add something useful or go away.

Greg said...

live renats
"who is Lord Fuckris?"

(I'll assume that was directed towards me)

DFLer Priscilla Lord Faris (daughter of Miles Lord) is running against the endorsed candidate (Franken) in the Primary (September 9th). She did not participate in the endorsement process. She has no real chance, but she'll get press for the next two weeks talking up his negatives.

For example:
http://www.hibbingmn.com/articles/2008/08/21/news/doc48ace64145320400263174.txt

I supported JNP in the caucuses, and felt he was an honorable guy and he ran a clean campaign - most of the mud was coming from others (McCollum - Ciresi supporter and Coleman/random republicans).

Mason said...

Byran-
Isn't NH a small state where "retail" politcs can work very well? Cash on hand is important, but so is shaking hands and kissing babies.

Michael said...

You betray your bias when you say "Minnesota, where the polling has been difficult to interpret but still indicates a competitive race for Al Franken"

Difficult to interpret? Would that be because you don't like what it tells you?

Franken has zero, zip, nada, NO chance of being elected as US Senator from Minnesota. His anti-woman PORNO-RAMA article in Playboy doomed his already long shot bid.

It is utterly amazing that otherwise rational observers veer into the weeds when it comes to their favorite lefties. Sorry fellas, Al is toast.

AnotherMike said...

x0lani: "From a macro perspective this should indicate a net change in favor of the Democrats. Why isn't Obama benefiting from this and the established Democrats?"

In addition to the reasons cited by edmund, I think it's fair to say Obama is benefitting. Kerry lost by 2.5%. Obama is ahead by about 2-3%. So, Obama is outpacing Kerry by about 5 points.

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yiannis said...

Michigan/Iowa/New Mexico/Pennsylvania are not battleground states.

While Obama's numbers sag in battleground states, his lead remains strong in these 4 states:

Three battleground states exist: Colorado/Ohio/Virginia

morgan said...

Yiannis,

I agree with your battlegrounds, but at least one needs to be added; Nevada.

Nevada voted for Clinton both times and Bush both times. When the state voted for Bush it was a very close margin. The state is turning bluer and bluer as the years go by. Las Vegas is a Democratic Stronghold these days, but it can't swing the state on its own. Washoe County has long been a republican dominated area, but the democrats recently overtook the republican in voter registration and look to be strong.

Nevada isn't easy for Obama to win, but he has advantages. McCain has offended Nevadans on several occasions by trying to restrict gaming on a federal level and supporting Yucca Mountain.

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Ergo said...

"You've never lived in a country with a Socialist government in power or opposition, have you? Or, for that matter, studied politics in great depth. Otherwise, you would know that there is a diference between liberalism - and Obama is squarely in the liberal camp - and socialism. C'mon, he's not even a social democrat. Frankly, if universal health care is creeping socialism, bring it on."

Yes, of course, but when you're talking to someone on the far right in America, "socialist" means "anyone I disagree with." People on the far right are "reasonable" or "moderate," and people who are even farther right are presumably something like Emperor Palpatine from the Star Wars movies.

"Difficult to interpret? Would that be because you don't like what it tells you?

Franken has zero, zip, nada, NO chance of being elected as US Senator from Minnesota. His anti-woman PORNO-RAMA article in Playboy doomed his already long shot bid."

Yes, when some polls show Franken behind, others show him tied with his opponent, and still others show him with a slight lead, the obvious conclusion is that Franken has no chance whatsoever. He might as well try to get his name taken off the ballot.

I agree with others that Ohio and Virginia will be the big battleground states this November. Colorado is crucial as well, but I think after the convention it will swing back to a small but steady Obama lead. Nevada could also be competitive for Obama, but that depends on whether or not McCain chooses Romney to drum up the Mormon vote.

stop_the_stutter said...

You've never lived in a country with a Socialist government in power or opposition, have you? Or, for that matter, studied politics in great depth. Otherwise, you would know that there is a diference between liberalism - and Obama is squarely in the liberal camp - and socialism. C'mon, he's not even a social democrat. Frankly, if universal health care is creeping socialism, bring it on.


I don't need to have lived in a socialist nation to imagine its consequences. We are currently the frog in the slowly warming water led to believe that the government has to be the solution to every problem.

Barack Obama uses the term "we need to help", "we aren't doing enough" enough rather than "how can we unblock the path for people to go out and make it under their own power" for me to consider him a borderline socialist.

Anyone who uses the term "capture" to describe more tax dollars, is a borderline socialist. He is almost there and he has Pravda adding wind to his sails.

AnotherMike said...

Those two races [NJ and LA] probably should have been a lot different [Republicans running stronger]. Same with Franken in MN.

I don't get the negativity for Franken from Democrats. Beating an incumbent is never easy and Coleman is a prolific fundraiser. Franken is doing as well as or better than Democratic challengers in other blueish states (ME & OR). He's got good name recognition, fundraises well, and has the whole-hearted support of the state party establishment. I think he's a much stronger candidate than some no-name lawyer or state rep would have been. Who do you think would have been a better?

DCM in FL said...

MICHAEL,

all you prove is that you know nuttin about MN politics with your stoopid post above.

nkpolitics,

the MN senate race will not be won with 50% by anyone [again] this year. Barkley [IND] is still polling around 8%, so the winner will probably only need 46-48% again.

Ventura bowed out, but Barkley will siphon off enough to allow the winn er to need a plurality only.

In the new MPR poll [which you people should read rather than talk through your pieholes] Barkley hurts Franken more than Coleman.

Try reading it @:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/21/senatepoll/
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So Norm the weasel may yet be able to sneak back in with another under 50% win in the end. But he has no popular support - just triangulation. Franken has stabilized his position & needs to finish rallying the DFL base.

ps - in NC Senate 3-way race it is much the same story for why Dole may not be able to seal the deal...

But if the DEM brand closes strong [ala 2006] then both those races & maybe another 1-2 of the close senate races might flip against the GOPers [as opposed to for the DEMs].

Still 60 seats is dreaming, especially since Lieberman cannot be counted on at all & should be booted irregardless.

AnotherMike said...

Franken has zero, zip, nada, NO chance of being elected as US Senator from Minnesota. His anti-woman PORNO-RAMA article in Playboy doomed his already long shot bid.

It is utterly amazing that otherwise rational observers veer into the weeds when it comes to their favorite lefties. Sorry fellas, Al is toast.


That's just stupid. If you mean what you say, I'll take Franken at 100-1 odds, you name the amount. If you were just talking out of your ass, then I'll know to ignore you next time.

DCM in FL said...

AnotherMike

I would even take Franken @ 25 or 50:1 at this stage.

He is probably even money. IF Obama wins by 5+ in MN in November [likely] then Franken might ride his coattails in.

After all, this was Wellstone's seat...

James said...

Senator Obama's voting record is to the left of self-declared socialist Bernie Sanders. While he probably wouldn't be considered a socialist in Europe, he's about as far left as you can get in America while still being mainstream. Morgan, not sure if it's already been answered but Biden or any sitting senator will likely run for their Senate seat in case they lose in the Presidential as Lieberman did in 2000 and someone a long time ago I can't seem to remember

nkpolitics said...

The 2008 Virginia US Senate Race is the 2006 Pennsylvania US Senate Race. (Casey-D vs Santorum-R). Popular Moderate Democrat vs Unpopular Controversial Conservative Republican. 59-40 race(Warner-D). Gilmore will probally joining Ollie North and Rick Santorum in the FOXNews channel.
The 2008 New Mexico US Senate Race is the 2006 Ohio US Senate Race (Brown-D vs DeWine-R)between a Populist Liberal Democrat vs a Conservative Republican. 57-42 percent race (Udall-D). Pearce will probally resign earlier to join some type of Lobby firm.
The 2008 Alaska US Senate Race is the 2000 Delaware US Senate Race(Carper-D vs Roth-R). The race between Old/Corrupt vs Freshface. It is going to be a 55-44 percent race(Begich-D).
The 2008 New Hampshire US Senate Race is the 2006 Rhode Island US Senate Race(Whitehouse-D vs Chaffee) - New England Blue state Republican loses. It is going to be a 54-45 favoring (Shaheen-D).
The 2008 Colorado US Senate Race is the 2000 Minnesota US Senate Race(Dayton-D vs Grams-R)- Liberal Democrat vs Conservative Republican. The is a 52-47 percent race favoring (Udall-D).
The 2008 Minnesota US Senate race is going to be the 2000 Michigan US Senate Race(Stabenow-D vs Abraham). A Weak first term incumbent from a blue state loses. 50-49 percent race favoring Franken(D).
The 2008 Oregon US Senate Race is going to be the 2000 Washington US Senate race(Cantwell-D vs Gorton-R). Smith loses being a Blue State republican Senator- 50-49 percent race favoring Merkley(D).
MS-B will be like the 2006 VA US Senate race. It will be a 5

nkpolitics said...

LBJ and Bentsen ran for their US Senate Seat and Vice President Simultenously. JFK-LBJ ticket won. Dukakis-Bentsen ticket lost.

Todd Dugdale said...

Greg wrote:
I supported JNP in the caucuses, and felt he was an honorable guy and he ran a clean campaign

Ditto that. I respect him even more for supporting the endorsed candidate, though I wish JNP was going up against Coleman.

Like it or not, Franken did the legwork and 'schmoozing' needed to win the endorsement.

Michael wrote:
Franken has zero, zip, nada, NO chance of being elected as US Senator from Minnesota. His anti-woman PORNO-RAMA article in Playboy doomed his already long shot bid.

Yeah, because something someone did a long time ago really matters - like Coleman being a Democrat for a decade, or his college days as an anti-war demonstrator and a pot-smoking hippie. And a professional comedian writing a comedy article is virtually the same as a policy statement, right? That's why he got the Party endorsement, and the endorsement of our woman Senator - because he's clearly "anti-woman". It's just so obvious.

Again, the latest poll (linked to it previously) shows a virtual tie.
Also, from the poll:
Nearly two-thirds expressed disapproval with President Bush, and among them Franken enjoys a nearly three-to-one lead.

or this:
The string of potentially damaging news reports about Franken and his salacious satirical work does not appear to have tarnished him as outside the mainstream of Minnesotan life. Equal proportions of voters view Franken and Coleman as representing the Minnesota way of life.

So, yes, he has no chance and he's hopelessly tarnished - except that the polls say the exact opposite. I guess I'll have to break the news to the DFL that some guy named "Michael" has weighed in, so any further polling is a waste of time. Think of the money we could have saved if we had only consulted you first. Now we know that Republicans won't vote for Franken, so it's over.

Still, I think that 42% "unfavourable" for an incumbent shows a very vulnerable candidate, especially since Coleman has not broken 50% in any polling...ever.

Also, the D/R/I is 50/39/10. This is very close to the ratio Rasmussen used up until 8/13, when the ratio inexplicably was adjusted in the Republicans' favour by 9 points, causing Obama's lead to drop to +2.

DCM in FL said...

TODD

fine post on MN Senate race above. actual facts are hard to rebut, although many on here seem to have trouble grasping that by substituting their 'gut'.

well done

nkpolitics said...

Regarding Barkley(MN)- Barkley ran for the US Senate in 1994 and 1996.
In 1994-(Grams vs Wynia) race Barkley got 5%. Grams(R)won by a 49-44 percent margin in a pro GOP year. In 1996-(Wellstone vs Boschwitz)race- Barkley got 7%. Wellstone won by a 50-41 percent margin. My prediction is Barkley gets 5%. It is going to be a 48-47 percent race.

DCM in FL said...

NK

that is probably a good projection for the final MN #'s.

the question will be which of the other guys gets the 48% win ?

too early to say for sure, but Franken definitely has a real shot at it IMO

Todd Dugdale said...

DCM wrote:
Try reading it @:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/21/senatepoll/


Or just go directly to the poll itself.
I wish there had been crosstabs on the gender breakdown to see how Lord Faris is affecting things.

the MN senate race will not be won with 50% by anyone [again] this year. Barkley [IND] is still polling around 8%, so the winner will probably only need 46-48% again.

I agree. Once the primary is over, the DFL will rally to Franken. Right now Franken only has 71% of the Democrats. That's the difference in this virtual tie.

Lord Faris gets her strongest support among Republicans who are especially unlikely to vote in the DFL primary. (from the poll)

So a significant number of Republicans may sit the election out if the PUMA loses the primary. Norm is at 81% Republican support, which is beginning to look like a ceiling. 55% of Democrats are either "extremely" or "very" enthusiastic about Franken. Only 35% of Republicans feel the same about Coleman.

DCM in FL said...

TODD,

assuming Faris does go away after the primary, the poll results are decent news & encouraging for Franken IMO.

Coleman should be worried, especially if Barkley's support should slip.

I still believe that Franken could benefit from Obama coattails if Obama wins comfortably.

I was just in MN recently & seemed that Franken did just need to solidify the DFL base more & keep pushing the Coleman=Bush attacks.

I would like to see him in the senate arguing with some of the neo-con troglodytes [like Lieberman]

nkpolitics said...

Comparing the VA and NM and CO US Senate Race.
The VA polls have shown Warner ahead of Gilmore by a 25 percent margin. Warner is a recent highly popular former Governor- He has a lot of money and is a national candidate. Gilmore on the other had is a former Governor but he is very unpopular- Democrats and Independents despise him. Warner cuts into Gilmore's base in Southern Virginia. If Gilmore was not running- Warner's margin of victory will be like Chuck Robb's first US Senate Race.
40% Democratic,35% Republican,and 25% Independents. Warner gets 100% Democrats, Gilmore wins Republicans 75-25. and Warner wins Independents 60-40. Warner(D)wins by a 65-35percent margin.
In New Mexico- The race is narrowing because Pearce is improving his showing with his Republican Base. New Mexico is a Democratic leaning State. 50% Democrats,35% Republicans,and 15% Independents. Tom Udall is a popular Progressive Democratic Congressman and former State Attorney General with a household last name. He will get 100% of the Democratic Voters while Pearce gets 100% of the Republican voters. Udall is probally going to carry Independents by a 60-40 percent margin. Udall wins by a 60-40 percent margin.

In Colorado- THe state is less Democratic than NM- It is 40% Democratic, 35% Republican and 25% Independents. Udall gets 100% of the Democratic vote. Schaffer gets 100% of the Republican votes. and Udall gets 60% of the Independent votes. Udall wins by a 55-45 percent margin.

I am a Fractal said...

Al Franken is up 1 point in today's MPR MN Senate Poll.

Todd Dugdale said...

DCM:
I also find it interesting that, of those who rate gas prices as the most important problem, Franken breaks ahead at 41/38. It shows that the "drill here, drill now" rhetoric is not gaining Coleman as much support as one would expect.

nkpolitics said...

DC-FL.
We have to look at the 2008 MN US Presidential Race to determine who wins the MN US Senate Race.
Norm Coleman will get all of the John McCain voters. Obama will carry Minnesota by a 54-46 percent margin. We need to make sure McCain does not recieve more than 45% of the popular vote in MN.

Bronxx said...

New polling data - An astonishing 100% of respondents agree MR is an asshole. There is no margin of error.

Additional poll - Less than 1% of 1% of respondents indicate Nate is a wanker. Of course, since the only respondent to indicate in the "aye" was in fact MR, this poll actually reinforces and proves the first poll.


Asshole projections done right.

Michael said...

nkpolitics said:

"He will get 100% of the Democratic Voters while Pearce gets 100% of the Republican voters. Udall is probally going to carry Independents by a 60-40 percent margin. Udall wins by a 60-40 percent margin."

Your math makes no sense here, since independents are less than 100% of the vote. It's also virtually impossible for any candidate to win 100% of the vote of their party.

"In Colorado- THe state is less Democratic than NM- It is 40% Democratic, 35% Republican and 25% Independents."

Democratic registration has gained, but it's been repeatedly mentioned that independents are the plurality in CO, with Republicans still more numerous than Democrats.

If you want to be taken seriously on this kind of site, please make sure your numbers are plausible, or at least aren't demonstrably false. Nothing personal.

nkpolitics said...

Michael

What I meant was Udall will get 100% of the 50% Likely Democratic Voters in NM and Pearce will get 100% of the 35% Likely Republican voters. Udall is going to get at least 90% of the likely Democratic votes and Pearce will get at least 90% the Likely Republican votes.
Udall is going to win by a 15-20 percent margin.

Regarding Colorado- I was mentioning the likely voters.

and stop with the condenscending remarks or I come over and KICK YOUR______ M

Michael said...

nkpolitics, if I had wanted to be condescending, I would have said that you are getting your numbers out of your ass - which you are still doing. This website isn't about wishful thinking or predictions based on "hunches." You might as well be predicting the scores of individual baseball games based on made-up stats of a 1st baseman's fielding percentage - hardly PECOTA territory there.

In the future, I'll remember to just ignore you, your posts, and your puerile threats.

nkpolitics said...

Michael- Who the hell are you to tell me that I can't post predictions based on hunches even though they may be closer to reality than you think you Scumbag.
I was looking at the Survey USA polls.
Michael you are just a bored blogger trying to be a big shot.
You deserve to get your ____ KICKED.

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