8.29.2008

Multiple Reports: Palin is VP Nominee

Well, you can't fault the McCain campaign for playing it safe. I think this is a potentially good pick for him, although a lot of that is because so many of the alternatives (like Tim Pawlenty) would have been so manifestly awful.



Obviously, there are also a lot of risks. In an interview with Kay Bailey Hutchinson on CNN right now, Hutchinson didn't seem quite sure how to pronounce Palin's name (PAY-LIN or PAH-LIN?), let alone recite any relevant facts about her.

I DON'T think Palin will have a lot of appeal to Hillary Clinton voters, as Palin runs squarely into some gender politics taboos, i.e. the younger, more attractive, but less qualified woman replacing the older one.

But the media will love her, and both conservatives and independents will like her. More thoughts later once I collect them.

UPDATED: Essentially, this is a branding play: it both puts a fresher, younger face on a tired, old party, and reinforces McCain's image for boldness and Mavericktude.

But as one of my commenters notes, "it may be the biggest gamble in political history". A significant gaffe on an issue like foreign policy -- whether in the VP debate or in some other context -- could render the election essentially unwinnable for McCain. And don't expect the Democrats to refrain from going after her inexperience. The phrase "heartbeat away from the Presidency" appears to be in the standard Democratic talking points this morning.

293 comments

Coc0nutPete said...

Wow so McCain has picked his trophy VP with FAR less experience than even Tim Kaine. She will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency with a guy that is 72 years old being President and she was recently quoted as having said that she has no idea what the VP does. Terrible pick McCain, wow...just terrible. That's not change, that's not going to bring Hillary voters in, that's just going to question what in the world was McCain thinking?

OTF said...

McCain has undercut himself in so many ways.

His argument that exprience matters. Mayor of a town of 8,000, a a7 month Governor of a state with a population smaller than many congressional disrticts. His argument on judgement. Your first major decision and you pick someone unqualified to take the reigns if he dies in office, Obama picks someone who nobody questioned his ability to be Pres.

Mason said...

How can the [sic] go after her "inexperience" she has far more than Obama...

That's BS and you know it.

eve said...

"NOT because she is a woman, but because so many women with actual experience with foreign policy and domestic politics were passed over. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Condaleeza Rice.... I cannot believe this is for real."

Weird isn't it?

moondancer said...

VC@11:47

ROFL I refuse to believe you wrote that w/a straight face.

Daniel said...

An utterly and completely reactionary pick. The anti-Biden/Obama didn't pick Hillary pick.

Palin is a good woman, great mother, and effective leader but I don't see how, after all the dust settles, this helps McCain with anything but his base. This is not a reach to independents.

And more importantly, the PUMA people must be feeling about Palin the way they would have felt about Sebelius -- e.g., "this is your idea of of capturing our Hillary vote?"

And the audience in singing McCain "Happy Birthday" -- with public financing his campaign couldn't afford all 72 candles.

Foregone Conclusion said...

"Obama just lost the election. This is the BEST VP pick in forty plus years."

VC, no. There have been many better VP picks over the last forty years, probably the most succesful being Clinton's choice of Gore in 1992, or Reagan's choice of Bush in 1980. And Obama is far from dead. If you really believe that, then you have lost all of the sense you once had.

Virginia Conservative said...

Wait till you see her come out on stage in a moment. She will be amazing!

st paul sage said...

A terrible pick for 3 reasons:

1. It looks desperate. Like Geraldine Ferraro, this is a gigantic Hail Mary. This race looked close to a tie, but it looks like McCain thought he needed to really shake this up in a big way. It also looks like a desperate attempt to win the Hillary voters.

2. She's not ready to be President and she's not ready to run for President. Noone has ever seen her or heard her speak. Four years ago, Barack Obama wowed the nation. Four years ago, she was popular...in Wasilla, Alaska!

3. The age difference is incredibly stark - I mean it's crazy. It looks like she's his daughter...or granddaughter.

PorridgeGun said...

And another:


As much as the know-nothing media talked about divided Democrats, Obama felt no need to use his VP pick to rally the base and unite his party. Biden was picked precisely because Obama felt he was the best pick for the ticket, not because he needed to mollify one group or another.

Now we see McCain's pick of Quayle Palin, and it's clear that he was forced to kow-tow to the Huckabee/Dobson wing of the Republican Party. We already know she is virulently anti-choice. But did you know she is a creationist?

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information.

Two years ago, Palin was part-time mayor of a village of 6,000. Today, she's supposedly ready to step in to run this country in the eventuality that Sen. McCentury can no longer perform those duties? Right. This was a sop to the Right, which was unwilling to accept a pro-choice Republican on the ticket, and a pathetic and hilariously desperate effort to grab the 17 holdout PUMAs (who are fake Democrats already willing to vote for McCain anyway).

Shap said...

If the last 8 years have taught me anything about what the VP's job entails:

How will Sarah Palin be at authorizing torture on our accused and suspected enemies?

How will she do at inciting wars and invading other countries under false pretenses?

How will she make sure that energy prices remain at all-time highs?

How will she avoid all accountability whatsoever, and declare herself to be a 4th branch of government? Possibly more powerful (and less accountable) than President McCain?

Will she leak the names of undercover CIA operatives to the press? Will her chief advisor be sent to jail? Will she shoot her friend in the face with quail-shot?

I just don't see how she can fill our current VP's shoes!

Jonker said...

We need people here to stop the sexism. Palin and McCain feel she is ready for the big time. Quit second-guessing their choice that she can take the punches given in a national campaign. Palin will need to be able to meet the Hillary standard of fighting hard and fighting tough. If she cannot, then she is not ready.

Q said...

VC:

We're this a man, you would never say shes inexperienced. Lose your male privelege!

Dude, you totally ARE an Obama plant! I didn't really believe it before, but you went a little too far just now with making conservative wingnuts look completely moronic. Brilliant performance overall, though. Kudos.

tomemos said...

Nice to hear you admit that McCain was in the grave to begin with, VACon.

Virginia Conservative said...

Remind me again, who won the election when Quayle was on the ticket?

tomemos said...

And by the way, I'm inclined to agree (admit?) that this was a smart pick, albeit one that could backfire heavily. It's certainly a good way to get the spotlight shifted dramatically to McCain.

moondancer said...

I am curious how he will continue using the experience card?
ROFL he just mentioned her being a school secretary. That will play big with the G8.

PorridgeGun said...

Taking "experience" off the table.


The Sarah Quayle Palin pick is an abandonment of the "Obama is not ready to lead" attack lines. Those are dead, and to be honest, while that line didn't work for Hillary and it had limited traction for McCain, it still had some traction. That attack line is gone.

Quayle, I mean Palin is also a an ideologue, on choice, on the environment, on energy -- all the way down the line. This an ideological pick in an election where self-identified Republicans are a dying breed and Democratic self-identification is skyrocketing. McCain has abandoned any notion of playing for the center. He's looking to shore up his right flank and hoping that the Evangelical Right can somehow drag McCain over the line.

Update on Palin: Ouch!


In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”

In fact, she said she doesn’t know what the vice president does.

Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain ticket mate.


Palin replied: “As for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P .slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”



Sweet Jesus, what was McCain thinking.

Mason said...

Can we agree on a size for the town of Wasilla? She was elected mayor in 1996 and releected in in 1999.

The 2000 Census has it at 5,470. The 2005 estimate, had it at 8,471.

Virginia Conservative said...

Remind me who won in 1988 again, Porridge. Or 1968, when you also mocked the Republican VP.

Virginia Conservative said...

You guys are about to see real history made.

bjb1968 said...

PorridgeGun said...

"the Republican culture of corruption"

Are you kidding me??? Have you ever heard of Chicago Politics, Detroit Politics, The OH Attorney General, Whitewater, NM Politics (Richardson Coruption), LA, CA, WA, etc. There is no larger culture of corruption than that of the Democrat party.

Dr. Killjoy said...

I think I've made a decision about this Palin business.

Yeah. I just don't care.

Good luck to McCain/Palin.

Better luck to Obama/Biden.

Toodle-loo.

CRLIndoland said...

I am watching the announcement right now live and I have to say compared to last night this seems like a big joke. I don't get it. Sorry...i don't get it.

Derek said...

McCain's not wearing a flag lapel pin, he must hate America... lol

Mason said...

Pretty much, Killjoy.

I'll add: If that's the way they want to play it, it's their ticket.

PeteKent said...

We have brought all the shrill Obamabots out of the woodwork. So many names I have never seen before!

Two observations: you all are concerned to be talking this up so much and

No one is talking about Obama and his convention anymore.

Short run mission accomplished.

Now can we all get back to talking about Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Rev. Wright?

eve said...

How nice that the republicans have decided to give us a candidate already under investigation.

Saves so much time.

Bryan said...

I'm beginning to think the experience charge will have real traction.

Mayor of a town smaller than the high school I went to.

Governor of a state with less people than the city I live in.

This is a scale that that is orders of magnitude lower when compared to the national stage. Senator from Illinois, the 5th largest state in the union, with a diverse population and dealing with national issues on a national stage is truly a different league.

It might still be the right pick, but it is a big, big gamble.

eve said...

Pete -- you finally said something of value!

McCain did do a good job on creating buzz today.

Too bad for him that he did it at the expense of winning the election.

Mason said...

Pete-
It's a VP candidate selection. The whole point is to get people up and talking.

The problem is that most people are saying, "Sarah Palin? Huh?"

realistxxx said...

I'm listening to her speech... she's not very good on the stump.

In fact, she's pretty bad.

CRLIndoland said...

Her acceptance speech is awful. Almost as if she running for the school board or PTA. I am embarrassed for her. This is amazing. I don't get it.

Virginia Conservative said...

Why is she awful?

Derek said...

Sounds like she's endorsing Obama to be frank

realistxxx said...

This pick is reckless politically and in the unlikely event McCain becomes president it is potentially reckless for America.

John McCain does not have the temperament to be president.

OTF said...

McCain looks nervous. He's praying she doesn't sound as bad to the american public as he does to her in ther speech.

Derek said...

OH NO, she says Nucular

Becky Sharp said...

Terrible Choice. I didn't realize McCain was panicking quite so much.

He's just tossed out his trump cards:
-Inexperience (1.5 years as governor of an out of touch state)
-Celebrity (Dems will milk that Vogue cover until its red and sore and throbbing)
-Judgement (Who the hell chooses a VP candidate who is the subject of a Federal probe - for crying out loud - don't they do vetting?)
-Men (McCain leads amongst men. Most men will prefer Biden to Palin. Sexism - its a fact)

Not only that, most PUMAs will be insulted by the inference that an anti-abortion, NRA leader is a proxy for Hillary.

I bet you there are already members of the campaign asking of its too late to change their mind. Makes Dan Quayle look like George Washington.

IMHO said...

If a man with just a couple of years executive experience was put on the ticket, would the reaction be the same?

What I am interested in seeing is the eugenicists on the Left come out of the wood work and talk about "free choice" and Down's Syndrome.

realistxxx said...

She has no cadence, she is halting and unsure.

She is really just reading something the McCain campaign wrote for her.

She appears to have no vision of her own, no internal strength or compass.

She has nothing on Hillary Clinton.

Derek said...

Shout out to Hillary. OMG it is so amazingly cheesy

Virginia Conservative said...

She's praising Hillary and the crowd loves it.

llywrch said...

David, her current political challenge is an investigation by the legislature into the reasons she fired Walter Monegan, the Commissioner of Public Safety. The investigation only started earlier this month, so no one knows what will be discovered.

It's fair to say that the national Democratic Party will take an interest in this investigation, as will the national media -- unless the media are truly all towing the corporate line & as eager to look the other way as a referee in a Pro Wrestling match.

These unknowns could all blow up on
McCain in the next few weeks, forcing him to scramble after another VP pick -- like Eagleton forced McGovern. That fiasco is why campaigns vet possible VP choices.

If McCain wanted to pick a woman to chase the allegedly numerous PUMA crowd & prove himself a maverick, I think Carly Fiorina would have been a better choice: corporate politics is just as vicious as Washington politics, so Fiorina had the needed experience. I guess she was disqualified for more important reasons -- maybe being pro-Choice.

BTW, I have to wonder what McCain promised Palin to get her to accept his offer. She's going to be a long way from work, home, & family for the next 10 weeks to be part of a campaign that very likely will fail: if she has any political smarts, she got him to actually commit or do something up front. (And if not, she's even more unready to be president than most of us think.)

Geoff

Mason said...

She has no cadence, she is halting and unsure.

Maybe it's jetlag. It's what? 8:45 AM in Alaska time now?

realistxxx said...

IMHO said...

If a man with just a couple of years executive experience was put on the ticket, would the reaction be the same?

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The point is that this is a blatant pander by McCain to HRC supporters. It is also tone deaf politically.

This "empty suit" Palin can't hold a candle to Hillary.

Virginia Conservative said...

Great pick. The media loves it already! YES!

Rhys said...

Congrats to John McCain! Now he has a trophy VP to bookend his trophy wife.

Very consistent with how he has always behaved towards women.

Derek said...

I wonder how this strong woman feels about McCain calling his wife a cunt?

OTF said...

John McCain qas previoysly quotes, "My most importnat qualification for VP is someone that is ready to step in..."

John McCain blew that one! There shows that judgmement he claims to have.

Virginia Conservative said...

This is awesome. No talk about Obama's speech. No footage of it.

Just talk about Palin, Palin, Palin!

The media is eating up the "hockey mom" stuff.

Bryan said...

"If a man with just a couple of years executive experience was put on the ticket, would the reaction be the same?"

2 term governor?

actually, it'd be worse.

but then, it'd never happen.

it is what people were complaining about with Kaine, and he had much more executive experience in a much larger city and a much larger state.

Becky Sharp said...

From salon.com a few days ago...

"Bill Kristol has also said he thinks she should be McCain's pick, and predicted she would end up on the ticket -- of course, given his record as a prognosticator, that could have been the real death blow to Palin's chances"

Overrated said...

Was there a speech in Denver last night?

DCM in FL said...

VA CON

the media loves it ?

even on FAUX they are at a total loss for words, it is embarrassing as they scramble for anything to pump her up as credible.

they have to read notes that say she is a hunter & fisherwoman fer crissakes !

but it is a story at least...

Geraldine Ferraro indeed !

she was tainted by corruption accusations too... and pulled down Mondale even more

Virginia Conservative said...

liberal MSNBC is talking about how great it is for McCain.

Obama was coming up in the polls and BAM! Cut him right off!

YES!

Brett said...

She's gone from soccer mom to Governor in a short period of time. She's taken on the responsibility of cleaning up the ethical issues in her state and has the state headed toward mutual responsibility. Where did I hear the phrase "individual responsibility and mutual responsibility?" She seems to have that covered.

BG

Overrated said...

She was a former union member and is married to a union member. Mentioned Clinton and Ferraro...oh boy, I can see the hate on the left getting warmed up.

michael said...

"Ubaidus said:
My wife, a big Hillary supporter, was leaning toward Obama (despite disliking him intensely). Now she intends to vote McCain-Palin. A sample of one, but true."

Mi God...does your wife even KNOW what Hillary's positions are? Does she have ANY idea that she and Obama have exactly the same views on 98% of the issues, and that Palin has NOTHING in common with Hillary other than ovaries? Is your wife really that shallow? Talk about the definition of a low information voter!

That said, I had posted that Palin was McCain's opening, once Biden was named. I believe this pick will be worth 2-3% to Mccain from women, though it may lose him just as much from social conservatives who can't vote for a woman, ANY woman. Couple that with taking away the strength Romney would add in Michigan, Ohio, etc, and very legitimate concerns about someone from a tiny backwater within one year of elective experience being a heartbeat away, I would say it is a wash.

McCain knew that Obama hit a grand slam at the convention and the status quo would not do. He threw the hail mary...it worked for Doug Flutie, but that's about then only one I can remember.

Props to Mccain for making one of the only 2 picks that would have stepped on Obama's speech.

WA Indie said...

I don't know that you can say the picks is worse than Quayle, we have not seen enough of Palin yet to judge.

The question is, what narrative dominates?

1) McCain and the GOP making HISTORY.

2) Palin who?

The fact that the gaga support appears limited to the right wing posters is worrying. McCain needs a solid swath of independents to defect because of this. The GOP is a loyal base and they will vote for McCain this fall.

Another indicator that this is a mixed pick is VC desperately attacking rather than debating. When all you have left is trying to get under "the other side's" skin, that's an indication that you still think you're going to lose. ;)

Overrated said...

Get ready for the Sarah Palin show for the next 5 days....

Overrated said...

My wife just said that Dems are sexist pigs for calling out her position as Gov of Alaska and mentioning Qualye....this is going to get ugly

Virginia Conservative said...

MSNBC: Poised, gracious opening statement.

Mason said...

overrated-
Get ready for the Sarah Palin show for the next 5 days....

You really think the GOP is going to spend all of it's time talking about it's VP candidate? What would that say about the top of the ticket?

OTF said...

Why did John McCain pick Palin besides XX chromosomes?

It's funny to see the wingnuts so opposed to affirmative action have to defend a blatant and obvious affirmative action pick.

Keep spining boys..it's a good laugh.

Becky Sharp said...

"Ubaidus said:
My wife, a big Hillary supporter, was leaning toward Obama (despite disliking him intensely). Now she intends to vote McCain-Palin. A sample of one, but true."


The curse of the empty headed swing voter. *sigh*

Virginia Conservative said...

The PUMA scab has been ripped right open and is bleeding once again, folks.

realistxxx said...

Occam's razor?

Maybe everyone else like Romney, Pawlenty and even Ridge turned McCain down.

Then he decided to go for the high risk/high reward gamble.

Becky Sharp said...

Gallup has Obama +8 today

Virginia Conservative said...

Yup Becky. And once the Palin pick sinks in it will be tied again.

Cut him right off, as I said. I'm loving this.

Becky Sharp said...

>>Yup Becky. And once the Palin pick sinks in it will be tied again.

If it's tied at the end of the GOP convention Obama will win. Palin is a bubble waiting to burst.

Darío said...

Who said the PUMAS about Sarah?.

Virginia Conservative said...

McCain just needs to keep it tied until the last week of October, then those uncommitted voters scared of Obama will vote for McCain/Palin.

OTF said...

John McCain judgement which he claims on display in VP pick:

1)He cliamed that "being able to step in as Pres was his first qualification"

Missed big time on that Johnny Boy!

2)Someone that has to mention the PTA on their resume for VP.

3)Somoene that doesn't know what the VP does.

4)Someone under ethics investigation.

The desperation of this pick is obvious. He saw the Dem convention and saw that party uninted and threw a Hail Mary. To bad for him it was an easy interception b/c johnny boy has a weak arm.

Virginia Conservative said...

It was a three pointer from half court, and it was nothing but net and put this election in overtime.

OTF said...

VC,

You are hilarious. The spin coupled with desperation in your posts is entertaining.

Cugel said...

All of you are overrating the importance of this pick! McCain had a bunch of bad choices and picked the least harmful. She won't be great, but she'll be effective. She won't offend anybody but she is inexperienced.

The biggest drawback is that she fatally undercuts McCain's experience attacks. Now Obama can say: "How can McCain criticize me for not having enough experience and then turn around and pick a VP candidate who's 1 year removed from being a small-town mayor? When I was a State Representative in Illinois, I represented more people than live in the entire state of Alaska."

McCain wanted to get everybody talking about his VP pick instead of Obama's great speech. Well done.

He wanted to shore up his base and picked a wing-nut to please them. No Joe Lieberman who would make them sit out the election.

But, the election DOES NOT TURN ON THE VP!

Virginia Conservative actually said something sensible for the first time in his life: "Remind me who won the 1988 election with Dan Quayle."

If Dan Quayle didn't sink Bush then NO VP candidate can really sink the Presidential candidate (Tom Eagleton being getting psychiatric treatment aside).

This is a nice media gesture. But, the election turns on Obama. Will Palin really help him make the case against Obama? Don't think so.

OTF said...

Realistixx,

What you say may be true. But I think Romney wanted it unless the Pick of Biden changed his mind. McCain really deosn't likes him and vice versa. It would have a partnership of convenience.

Huckabee maybe wanted it too. But I think Huck is interested in being a taking ahead and on the lecture circuit.

Pawlenty really didn't want it IMO. He is looking to running on his own in the future.

McCain really had few choices and none of them good.
The picks McCain wanted of Lieberman or Ridge he couldn;t make b/c of the base.

Scott919 said...

Well let's be honest here. The vast majority of posters to this website are incredibly biased in favor of the liberals so it comes as no surprise that everyone here would be hammering the pick...and frankly who cares? Most of you wouldn't vote for McCain if he picked Ted Kennedy as his running mate and frankly I doubt most of you that are doing the hammering know anything about her.

One poster said the moderates would be turned off. Well I am one of those moderates and I am keeping an open mind. I am bothered by her lack of experience, but she did what she needed to do in her acceptance speech. She came off as charismatic yet professional, talked about some of her opinions, established herself as one of the common people, appealed to women....I wouldn't be celebrating quite yet liberals. It all depends on how it's spun. It could be a kiss of death for McCain, but if played correctly it may turn out to be a great pick with negative effects for Obama.

Scott919 said...

The biggest drawback is that she fatally undercuts McCain's experience attacks. Now Obama can say: "How can McCain criticize me for not having enough experience and then turn around and pick a VP candidate who's 1 year removed from being a small-town mayor? When I was a State Representative in Illinois, I represented more people than live in the entire state of Alaska."

Well despite her limited experience she still has more executive experience than anyone on either ticket. Furthermore, I would be REAL careful about insulting rural America with comments about being a small town mayor. Truth be told she is probably more in touch with the common person because of that than Obama, Biden, or McCain.

Again...it just depends on which camp spins it most effectively.

Todd Dugdale said...

overrated wrote:
If you want to highlight inexperience then the GOP welcomes the debate. The bigger issue is why Dems have trouble with strong women

No, the real issue is going to be if Republicans can see this woman as commander-in-chief if McCain dies in office? Inexperience was always the Republican issue du jour. Now it's in their face. The only Democrats who brought up inexperience are now endorsing Obama, so I fail to see how this puts the ball in the Democrats' court. To say that the Party that has spent several months making inexperience the major issue of the campaign now "welcomes the debate" is patently ridiculous. The GOP just gave up inexperience as a talking point.

A whole lot of Democrats voted for Hillary (a strong woman), so the idea that Democrats have "trouble with strong women" is dead on arrival. Republicans are beating a dead horse if they think they can ride the "PUMA issue" to the White House. Personally, I believe that the majority of the PUMAs were either disaffected Republicans that would have broke for McCain anyway, or Republicans in Democrat clothing trying to stir up a Party split. It's truly bizzare to see Republicans attempting to portray Hillary as some kind of hero to their cause.

applecrispbetty said...

Bush Jr showed in 2000 and 2004 how to win even tho everybody thinks he is dumb. McCain is betting that the same thing will work for him.
Low expectations = victory

Scott919 said...

To say that the Party that has spent several months making inexperience the major issue of the campaign now "welcomes the debate" is patently ridiculous.

Well the difference is that with Obama the PRESIDENT has no experience. With Palin the person running the SENATE has no experience. Huge difference. I agree with your point about her being one heartbeat away from the Presidency and there is no question that the inexperience angle is compromised, but the defense is that she brings the same experience Obama does. With McCain we only deal with that in a worst case scenario, with Obama we get it for certain.

Whether that argument will play with the American people...we'll see.

judas_priest said...

Overrated:

Nice attempt to assume that which needs to be proven (and can't be). The Dems don't have problem with strong women. (Look at her reception at the convention) The nomination was Hillary's but she and her (mostly male staff) fumbled the football and Obama recovered and ran it in for a touchdown.

Had they thought the process through and figured out the caucus process and the apportionment of delegates rules, we would be looking at a Clinton/Obama ticket.

kneejerkdem said...

I would be careful not to disparage Palin, since that could backfire if it looked like it was because she was a woman. (Probably what the Repubs are counting on). Also, I'd make sure that Biden didn't even think about telling an off color joke for the next 67 days.

judas_priest said...

On this date in history, August 29, 2004, Jack Black was a jackass.

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

This time I'll add a semi-serious comment. Bush was two points ahead four years today. I can live with a slight gain for McCain from where we are today when we consider that between Gallup and RR (both of which show Republican "House effects") Obama has a 6% lead. I'd gladly "settle" for a 3% Obama win, which would reflect a larger swing than Bush got.

Rhys said...

"Well let's be honest here. The vast majority of posters to this website are incredibly biased in favor of the liberals"

That's because this website, by its nature, appeals to those who are intelligent and have an interest in scientific principles. And that favors 'liberals'.

McCain's choice confirms what all non-kool-aid drinkers already know about him -- he doesn't give a shit about anything but finding any way possible to get elected. Palin fails the 'experience' test, the 'commander-in-chief' test, and definitely the 'country first' test.

Rasmus said...

"After reading all the posts above, the left wing trolls are nervous, as she has ten times the experience that Odumbo has, and the pick demonstrates just how inexperienced Odumbo really is and what a dangerous thing it would be to elect him tot he oval office. Question,
If my Vice-President is 3 years younger than Obama, but has 10 times the experience in Government the differnce between Obama and McCain is the width of the Grand Canyon"

The only thing you could name to show her "experience" is this vague expression "executive experience". But McCain does not have any executive experience either. Is he too inexperienced to become president? Hell, Sarah Palin might be the ONLY experienced person in this presidential quartett.


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John said...

It's too bad Tina Fey isn't still on SNL, not only because she was one oft eh few funny things on that show, but also because she and Palin are almost dead ringers for each other.

thisniss said...

Please stop saying that Palin "has as much experience in government as Obama." This is simply not true. She's been governor for about as long as he's been campaigning for President, and quite frankly, with all due respect to Alaskans, he's been running the more detail-driven, higher stakes, larger organization. I would hold his "executive experience" against hers any day.

Before her governorship, Palin was the mayor of a town of less than 9,000. Obama has been a U.S. Senator, the state senator for Illinois's 13th District (which is, by the way, larger than Alaska), and before that a "community organizer" - which means, for those who don't know, that he organized, managed, and in a couple of cases served as a founder for non-profit groups with both paid and unpaid staff. In other words, as anyone who has ever had a similar job can tell you, he was "the boss."

No one who has really observed the Obama campaign can take the "lack of experience" arguments seriously at this point. The man has proven his ability to organize, delegate, plan, strategize, and think through a problem. He clearly knows how to surround himself with good people - those who will tell him the hard truths as well as the things he might want to hear. He's been tested both inside and outside Washington, on both foreign and domestic policy, as a manager and a strategist.

Comparing Obama and McCain is fair, and is indeed what voters should be doing. Comparing Palin and Obama is ludicrous, and discredits both. Palin is a fine person, with many strengths and many noteworthy life experiences. But her professional accomplishments have not yet prepared her for the demands of the Presidency.

phyllis said...

McCain succeeded in taking the buzz off Obama and the DNC convention. He actually got a crowd for his rallies, when Palin was with him.

That being said, can you doubt that if she were a Democrat running for ANY office, how the Right would crucify her for running while having a 4-month old? never mind the fact that she hasn't evinced any interest in any politics outside Alaska.

She told Larry Kudlow, she needed to be told what a VP does and that she would only be interested if it helped Alaska -- talk about not being interested in earmarks !

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