Barack Obama is fortunate that the conflict in South Ossetia has occurred during the Olympics, depriving it of some of it of the coverage that it otherwise might receive. He is also fortunate that Americans don't have much attention span for foreign affairs outside of matters involving Iraq and Al Qaeda.
That is not to endorse McCain's more hardline stance toward Russia, the particulars of which this blog has no standing to comment upon. I have no doubt, however, that the lingering memory of the Cold War makes an anti-Russian stance an easier sale from the standpoint of electoral politics.
But the unscripted drama in the Caucasus also serves as a thought experiment of sorts, especially as it regards Barack Obama's VP selection. Would Obama be better off if he had, say, General Wesley Clark flanking him right now?
I think absolutely so. The reason does not necessarily have to do with Clark's experience per se. Rather, it is a question of how well positioned Obama is to win arguments about foreign policy on the campaign trail. In this case, it is Obama's position, rather than McCain's, that is closest to the consensus of NATO -- as well as, ironically, the Bush Administration. But in matters of global affairs that Americans don't know very much about -- and again, pretty much everything but Iraq, Al Qaeda, and perhaps Israel qualifies there -- they are more likely to defer to the brand name opinion on foreign policy, which means John McCain's
In this case in particular, the Obama side has some good arguments to make about Georgia -- for instance, that our moral authority to condemn Russia for its actions is undermined by our own invasion of Iraq, and that our tactical position to place our footprint in the Caucasian theater is undermined by the number of troops we have committed to Iraq. But these are big picture, macro-level arguments, and ones that require the right salesperson. Someone like, say, the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
To be clear, while these arguments hold to a certain extent for someone like Joe Biden, they are mainly an argument for Clark in particular. Joe Biden has a lot of credibility on foreign policy, but the aesthetics of what he could do on the stump and in interviews aren't really a match for those of a bona fide, ex-General. Biden might leave Obama better equipped to defend news cycles in which something like the South Ossetia conflict is the central topic; Clark might actually be able to win them.
UPDATE: Chris Bowers points to some other interesting tea leaves on Clark. And Clark is surging on Intrade right now, essentially turning the Big Four (Bayh, Biden, Sebelius, Kaine) into a Big Five.
UPDATE x2: For the record, if I had to rank Obama's potential VP choices -- culling from the quasi-official short list plus a couple of other names that are trading well on Intrade -- my choices would probably look something like this:
1. Clark
2. Schweitzer
3. Sebelius
4. Bayh
5. Clinton
6. Biden
7. Kaine
8. Reed
9. Nunn
10. Hagel
11. Dodd
This is opinion, not analysis.
Monday, August 11, 2008
The Georgia Conflict and the Case for Clark
-- Nate Silver at 2:56 PM
Labels: foreign policy, vice president
163 comments
First!
My money is on either Wesley Clark or Chuck Hagel as Obama's VP pick.
I tend to agree with your analysis, but it seems like it'd apply equally well as an argument for why Obama should be using Clark, or someone like him, as a high-level surrogate -- but not necessarily as VP.
Especially since Clark would be ill-equipped, compared to someone like Biden or Bayh or Sebelius, to speak to voters' domestic concerns, which Obama would certainly like to dominate the election.
There is no evidence that this crisis helps McCain.
He is weak in every sense of the word and hardly projects strength to anybody.
I don't see how McCain can draw a contrast with the inexperienced Obama. In 04 W projected strength by using code language and staying on message. McCain freelances way too much and cannot draw a contrast on security issues.
The polling questionnaires people like to quote about who would you trust in a foreign crisis are general questions and McCain is underperforming even W in these questions.
You are just repeating washington chatter.
An article about an interview given by Barack Obama in Israel demonstrates how Obama is so much more competent than McCain (or President Bush) concerning foreign policy. Please read it:
David Horovitz Exclusive: Obama sets out his Israel vision
Caucasus, not caucuses.
One's a mountain rainge, the other an electoral approach.
With that said, though, South Ossetia- formerly an autonomous oblast declared its independence from Georgia in 1992 with a referendum passing by roughly 95% (and with over 90% voter participation reported), and did so again in 2006 with similar results.
I don't think the Georgian action is a dissimilar parallel to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and we all saw what that triggered.
Its Kaine, Bayh, or Biden. Obama already said "no surprises".
The BEAR is on the prowl once again and is looking to swallow up a neighbor.
Wingedelf are you a Soviet Stooge? Georgia is a Democratic Country, an ally of this country and trying to be a member of NATO. Comparing the Bear's invasion with the Dead Hussein's invasion is absolutly preposterous.
I already read one article today blaming the invasion on George Bush, give me a break.
Putin is on the loose and trying to recreate the old Soviet Union. Everybody better get their head out of their ass and look at reality.
Only one person on the scene today can be trusted on this issue. The one who looked into Putin's eyes and saw the KGB.
Jack-
Please don't confuse "Russia" with "Soviet Union". Thats really stupid. They're two distinct entities.
I have on out of box idea for Veep. Let me throw one more name in the VP hat. General Tony Zinni, a four star retired Marine general has all the foriegn policy gravitas needed. I just read his book, "The Battle for Peace", and was blown away by how intellectual this man is.
With that said, though, South Ossetia- formerly an autonomous oblast declared its independence from Georgia in 1992 with a referendum passing by roughly 95% (and with over 90% voter participation reported), and did so again in 2006 with similar results.
That may be true, however the referendum was carried out after the Georgian were expelled from the area. That said, there is lots of blame to go around here.
Virginia,
You miss the point, Putin is trying to recreate the old Soviet Union. He has said many time it was a mistake to allow the break up of the Soviet Union.
Jack, do you even know what "Soviet" means?
yiannis said...
"There is no evidence that this crisis helps McCain."
Nate Said...
"Barack Obama is fortunate that the conflict in South Ossetia has occurred during the Olympics, depriving it of some of it of the coverage that it otherwise might receive. He is also fortunate that Americans don't have much attention span for foreign affairs outside of matters involving Iraq and Al Qaeda."
Your own guy is scared to death of this and he also says that your party are the ones that are... how did you guys put it?... low information?
The evidence that favor McCain that you seek is in your own fear. You know this will help McCain... I just hope that this Russian invasion of Georgia... that is not just limited to "South Ossetia" does not spin out of control, because it could be very bad.
Jack, i´m afraid but you´re wrong.
Putin is trying to create the old Zarist Russia, not the old Soviet Union.
Putin never was communist, he´s a russian nationalist.
Other than "Wes Clark has shiny medals," is there really a good argument to be made here?
Since 2004, Clark has shown himself to be much less a campaigner than meets his resume (sort of a discount version of Bill Richardson), he's been gaffe-prone, and he was a stalwart Hillary supporter with zero ties to the Obama campaign.
Since Obama clinched the nomination, Clark has made exactly one public appearance on behalf of Obama -- and that resulted in Obama dropping 3 points in the polls. How that translates into vice-president is beyond me.
But I agree: he shore does look purty in that them thar uniform.
Wingedelf,
I typically only comment on more or less technical issues which are germane to this site.
But I feel I must say that it is painful to see how progressives ignore the plight of Georgia. I am not an expert but I know the region at a personal level.
The realities of post-Soviet power are always complex. It is very easy to justify this or that act of aggression; one could produce similar arguments to justify Serb atrocities, as the Serbs of course did.
The basic story here is of Russia turning into