Thursday, August 21, 2008

Democrats Will Be Watching Denver (And We'll Be There)

Interest in the Democratic Convention will be far higher than four years ago, according to a Pew survey out today. Fully 59% of the American public reports interest in the Democratic convention, compared with 48% reporting interest in the Republican convention. From the Boston/New York conventions of 2004, reported interest in the Dem convention in 2008 has flipped from –10 to +11. Interestingly, this switch is entirely due to enthusiasm on the Democratic side, since interest in the Republican convention is fractionally higher than last time also. American interest for the Democratic convention is also higher now than in 1992.



Independents and a base enthusiasm edge are providing the difference. While 59% and 48% represent the percentage of all Americans interested in each convention, there is both an enthusiasm gap among the bases (79% of Dems compared with 70% of Reps) as well as a gap in enthusiasm among independents, who are more interested in the Democratic convention by 12 points.



Another key finding in Pew's survey, Clinton supporters are highly interested in her convention speech. What she says and how she handles the moment should have a significant impact on some of her supporters who have been slow to support Obama. As the findings show, her supporters still care more about what she has to say than what the party's nominee does.



Though Pew didn't ask this question, I'd suspect many of Hillary's supporters will be paying attention to Bill for "the real clues" as to how the Clintons feel. If Hillary gives a warm, embracing speech but Bill is tepid in his support, that's the kind of thing that her voters may well see as "she's being the consummate professional, he's signaling us about what they really feel about this guy."

FiveThirtyEight interest in the conventions will be higher this year too, since we’ll be covering them on location. I asked Nate what angles he thought we should pursue, and he said, “I dunno. Like, politics and stuff.” I’ll let him tell you more about that this weekend, but I will be looking specifically for firsthand information about the ground game for each side. We also seek free palatial accommodations with convenient access to the site, so if our loyal Colorado and Minnesota readers could make that happen for us, that'd be great.

Incidentally, and this isn't worth a whole separate post, Obama may be holding off on the VP announcement – even though he acknowledges he's decided – because right now he’s sitting in a sweet spot. The whole political press is hanging on every word and tea leaf while Obama hammers McCain for a gift-wrapped gaffe. From an Obama perspective, there's not much downside. Though Halperin implies Obama doesn't care about setting folks' ringtones off in the middle of the night.

One additional gift-wrapped line for Tim Kaine, were it to be him: he would get to call himself "one of McCain's many governors."

171 comments

live renats said...

Whatcha think of Hill as the VP Mr Nines?

live renats said...

'It was kinda inevitable' everyone will be saying now.

Alex S. said...

lol @ Halperin....

"It´s 3 AM...."

live renats said...

no, it's 7.06 pm. apparently.

Sean said...

Must... not... answer...

Citizen Grim said...

I demand a poll of Delaware!


Also, this how-many-houses thing will hurt McCain for a day (or a couple days), but it gave his campaign and 527s the opportunity to turn the discussion towards Rezko and Bill Ayers, which is infinitely more damaging than the "celebrity" thing.

live renats said...

Tough. I demand answers.

DCM in FL said...

How many houses do you own, Sean ?

How about Nate ?

live renats said...

dcm: a plague on both their houses. They've really screwed up for Obama with this site.

Darío said...

Rasmussen poll in New Mexico:

With leaners:

Obama 48
McCain 44

Without leaners:

Obama 47
McCain 41

DCM in FL said...

CW on the cable shows tonight [FWIW] is that Obama would have announced today exceptg that this How Many Houses gaffe was too good of a opportunity to step on --- yet.

So would that mean tomorrow or actually wait until they are on the steps of the old state house on Sat ?

Darío said...

Rasmussen announced the tittle of the polls without leaners, this is the "original" poll.

live renats said...

ffs, dario, learn to fucking spell.

pluckon said...

I hope Obama's people have the brains and the guts to use this in a major way, for a whole lot longer than a day or two. It's a golden opportunity.

Seven houses. One for each day of the week. And McCain doesn't know how many he has, or where they are. That, "my friends," is a gift from heaven.

"It's Tuesday, and I'm in Des Moines. I wonder which house my opponent is in today. You do know that he has seven houses, one for each day of the week. So, Senator McCain, which one is your Tuesday house?"

The houses are a great metaphor. Most voters are homeowners, and many of them are not terribly secure in their home ownership. This is something they can relate to. This can be used to protray McCain as both a rich, out-of-touch Republican, and a senile old coot.

"Folks, my opponent couldn't remember his houses. Now, I'd like to see a show of hands. Will anyone who doesn't remember where they live please raise your hand?"

DCM in FL said...

RENATS

a witty retort. :-)

but they only report & comment on the data that is available.

so blame Rassmussen & his numerous new polls on pushing the doom & gloom & game-changing narrative...

BUT Nate's article over on NYMag,com online is an excellent concise piece.

Thanks, Nate !

Can I quote the most pertinent part of it here ?

Nate said:

"All of this is going to produce an enormous volume of polling — and even more commentary on what those polls mean. But polls are less accurate than they claim to be: While a typical reported margin of error might be three or four points, the actual average error in polls conducted in this year’s primaries was closer to seven points. Polls were never really intended to be predictive. They establish voter preferences at the time of survey, but don’t account for how those preferences might change. And there are vast and largely unresolved differences of opinion on methodology among pollsters.

In other words, polls require context to be understood, and their results are easy for media commentators to cherry-pick in order to advance a preferred story."


I could not agree more, except to add how much NOISE they are introducing to the model.

I mean in the last 2 days alone how many national & states polls were released ? what did we learn ?

oh, that we appear to be back to where things stood in April/May...

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live renats said...

Not sure why they had to wait a whole 3 months before using this 7 houses thing. The Obama team is retarded. This is or should be old news to people here (almost as old as McCain himself).

Pluckon is retarded.

Tito said...

At this point I think Obama is gonna introduce his VP selection Saturday but keep him/her behind a screen and mask the voice to keep ginning up the drama.

If Halperin is right then sending out that text at 3:00 am defeats the purpose of letting supports know first. Also his timeline includes a chance for Republicans to issue statements... yeah, don't see that happening.

It's interesting to me, too, that while 17% of Hillary supporters are not at all interested in Obama's speech, 20% of Obama supporters are not at all interested in hers. Then again, that poll also says that 6% of Obama's own supporters are not at all interested in hear his speech, their own candidate. WTF?

Clark Miller said...

Better day today for Obama than McCain in the polls. Wonder if anyone will report on it. Yesterday, the liberal press seemed to delight that McCain was making inroads. Nate made a lot of hay about it, too. Too much, I thought. McCain's national numbers are still in the low 40s. And today's numbers indicate it isn't t