A (very smart) reader writes in:
There is another important strategic implication of choosing Hillary Clinton now. Three of the worries/concerns that people had about Clinton would be that she would fire up the Republican anti-Clinton machines, in times of both money and energy as well as do the thing that John McCain couldn't do--unite the Republican party.Continuing:
The case for picking Clinton doesn't have all that much to do with Obama's deteriorating poll numbers -- although you can certainly make a separate argument based on the electoral math. Rather, it's that the Republicans have shown their hand -- and made it clear that they aren't going to be running any sort of nice, safe campaign where Obama coasts to victory while the base stays asleep.Well, we can draw at least three conclusions.1. Clearly McCain has been able--for the most part--to unify his party. Now that may change depending on his VP pick, but chances are the pick will be fairly conservative (in both senses of the word.)2. Clearly much of the anti-Clinton machine has already turned their sights--predictably--on Obama. That machine has latched onto the Obama as other/celebrity/whatever attack and will be relentless about it, aided and abetted by a docile media.3. Clinton's presence may be able to gin up Republican fundraising...except, because they are taking public financing, the McCain campaign will have precisely one week to both collect AND spend that money. In short, absent some increase in RNC money and possibly 527 money, for the most part McCain's advantage here would be completely neutralized by the clock. If Hillary had been the VP nominee all summer long the Republicans would be dining out on this--but now they simply would not have enough time to do it.As for the turnout, I would have to imagine that any increases in Republican turnout would be matched or bested by older female voters turning out for their hero.
In fact, I'd go one step further than my reader. I think that if Obama picks Clinton, the Republicans are likely to overplay their hand. One thing that Obama has not really been able to do is to generate some organic level of backlash when he is attacked. This is separate and distinct from the notion of "fighting back"; it is voters stepping in and refereeing the match themselves. Voters recognize that McCain has gone negative but they aren't really punishing him for it -- his favorables haven't moved at all. Why not? I think it has to do with the nature of Obama: he is new, he is confident to the point of being arrogant, and up until recently, he has been leading. To the extent there is any genius in the "celebrity" line of attack, it's that nobody feels much sympathy when celebrities are made fun of (well, except for this guy); it is a sort of sport to try and pierce their bubble.
With Clinton, on the other hand, voters naturally want to come to her defense -- and overzealous attempts to whip the Republican base into a frenzy will be counteracted with outrage from significant numbers of older and working-class women.
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By Clinton do thou mean sebelius? Wock.
But Nate, I can come up with countless reasons why Hillary would be a poor choice. It completely ruins the Obama brand. The chief reason I'm even supporting Obama is because he is not Clinton. Otherwise I'd be supporting the republican except I've had it with Bush. If Hillary were on the ticket, I'd probably stay home, as well as the other polarized independents out there.
One question: all these statements that McCain has to be limited to $84 million due to public financing -- what kind of enforcement is being assumed here? Might he not be able to get the public money, do whatever the hell he wants, and have the legal complaints tied up until it doesn't matter? It's not like Republicans have some inherent appreciation for the law simply because "it's the law".
By the way Nate, what are your thoughts on Mark Warner? I've heard rumors that he may be the pick, but then again I've heard rumors of Dick Gephardt as well.
1. "Unity" and "Energized" are two different thing. The polls still show a huge enthusiasm gap between the two - Another reason the gorundgame Obama is investing heavily in is a huge factor.
2. This would have happened whoever the nomineee was. It's the exact reason McCain handed over day-to-day operation to Karl Rove-ites. McCain is a gaffe machine. Schmidt and Rove and pulling the strings - they're basically babysitting McCain.
Add Rudy Giuliani, also. His encounter with a reporter who asked an uncomfortable question yesterday was an obvious example.
3. McCain will flip-flop and refuse public financing when it comes to the crunch. It's his character - he lied to the VFW about supporting the Webb G.I. bill, and has flip-flopped on just about every issue since indicating he'd be a candidate. And the MSM won't call him on it.
I'm going to point out Irene's comment and say that my grandfather, who supports Obama, feels the same way. Choosing Clinton would be a huge mistake.
Irene I think if Clintoris was on the ticket you would be too confuseed to know what to do on Nov 4. Hopefully, he hasn't lumped all potetial women VP prospects with Clinton and given them a fair shake of the vetting proces (Sbelius, MCaskill). I'll be tres disappuyed if he hasn't.
The new NBC/WSJ and CBS/NY Times polls are out and there are no radical changes from yesterday's poll tightening. As previously noted, we pay special attention to media polls because of their ability to drive narrative.
One narrative that seems clear as a short term gain and long term pain: McCain is perceived as running a negative campaign.
By a nearly six-to-one margin, voters say Republican presidential candidate John McCain is running a negative campaign against his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.
Nearly three in 10 voters, 29%, pointed to McCain as the candidate running a negative campaign, compared to just 5% who said Obama is running a negative campaign. McCain’s 29% rating is the highest of any one candidate in the previous two presidential elections according to the WSJ/NBC News survey.
In October 2004, 15% of voters identified both President George W. Bush and Democratic nominee John Kerry as negative campaigners. In July 2000, 8% identified Bush as a negative campaigner, while 13% said Vice President Al Gore was a negative campaigner.
However, 41% of respondents said neither McCain nor Obama is running a negative campaign, while 19% said both men are guilty of using negative tactics.
NBC/WSJ Presidential choice
8/08 (6/08) (5/08) (4/08)
Barack Obama 45 (47) (47) (46)
John McCain 42 (41) (41) (43)
CBS/NY Times Presidential choice
8/15-19/08 (7/31-8/5/08) (7/7-14/08)
Barack Obama 45 (45) (45)
John McCain 42 (39) (39)
For CBS/NY Times, it's 45 (45) Obama, 42 (39) McCain, also a tightening. The enthusiasm gap is 48-24 (guess who), and 28% of McCain's supporters are either 'he's the GOP nominee' or anti-Obama. And like the NBC/WSJ poll, more people perceive McCain as negative on Obama than positive on McCain. From NY Times:
"There were indications that the more negative tone Mr. McCain adopted this summer could prove risky. Attempts by Republicans and the McCain campaign to cast Mr. Obama as elitist, or out of touch, do not seem to have moved popular opinion much yet against the Democrat, but they appear to have led more voters to view Mr. McCain as a negative campaigner.
Obama leads 20 points with 18-34s, McCain leads by 1 with everyone else."
Back to NBC/WSJ: Hillary Clinton's voters are half the 13% undecideds. See Ruth Marcus:
"It's not that Obama has a problem with female voters. To the contrary, he does significantly better among women than among men. It sounds paradoxical, but the campaign, lagging badly among white men, may have its biggest growth potential among female voters. Women, especially women without a college education, tend to make up their minds later. Recent polls show twice as many women as men are undecided."
77% still think McCain will follow Bush's policies. Not good for McCain.
In any case, with both polls, there's a 3 point Obama lead, well within the MoE (usually +/- 3). That feels about right. McCain, as noted throughout this week, is consolidating his (smaller) base.
For perspective, I like Marc Ambinder.
"McCain has given them something to think about this summer: Obama. And Obama hasn't returned the favor. He hasn't defined McCain in a visceral way, yet. He hasn't demonstrated that he can connect with working class white voters, although voters do find him empathetic enough. He can do both of these at the convention, and there are indications that he's doing the former in states with advertising.
With the convention coming up, there's lots of upside for Obama to do the same, and more talk about Lieberman for McCain. Now, that may be a head fake to distract and get some attention away from Obama's VP, and it would severely hurt with the religious right. But the fact is the next week belongs to Obama. We'll see what he does with it and how well the numbers look afterwards. McCain has built up some significant negatives, he's still tied to Bush, and the economy is still the driving force in this election. Think about what that means in the long run."
From NY Times:
"Slim majorities said neither candidate had yet made clear what he would do as president, suggesting that both Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain need to use their conventions to provide voters with a better sense of their plans for addressing the deteriorating economy, high energy prices, access to health care and national security.
Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is still closely associated with the deeply unpopular President Bush: nearly half of those surveyed said they expected him to continue the Bush administration’s policies if he is elected president. But voters, by a wide margin, view Mr. McCain as better prepared to be president than Mr. Obama, and as more likely to be an effective commander-in-chief."
My read is that McCain is spoiling his own brand with independents in order to consolidate his own base (my prediction from way back was that he can't have both) while the Democrats take their time to make up their mind. We will see what happens, starting with the next eight days, but I don't think this is great news for McCain no matter how the media spin goes. For all his vaunted "great couple of weeks" McCain is still stuck in the low 40's and has an unenthusiastic base behind him (one that's smaller than Obama's.)
Plus, yesterday's LA Times/Bloomberg and Q-poll both show Obama winning with indies, and McCain is perceived as a negative camapigner closely associated with the unpopular George Bush (CBS/NY Times: 47% think he'll continue Bush's policies but only 9% want him to. 48% want him to be less conservative.)
Finally, it would seem this year, the Obama campaign, as has been posted at fivethirtyeight.com, is investing in the ground game rather than blowing their wad on negative ads with limited effect, the way McCain did.
Can McCain win? Maybe. Obama still has plenty of work to do, and there are no guarantees (and, in fact, the real campaign starts Monday) but McCain might just have hit his ceiling with these polls while Obama still may have a lot of upside.
El Cid said:
"It's not like Republicans have some inherent appreciation for the law simply because "it's the law"."
Just what are you implying?
John McCain wrote the law.
Are you saying that John McCain has no appreciation for his own law? You should think about this because he has endured POW level torture from his own party for writing that law.
Looks like another Dem choke job to me unless they pick Hillary and go with the "Dream Team". Hillary can bring the older working class catholic women in Ohio/PA etc. who are now "undecided". I'd say that's more plausible than this phantom ground game scenario.
I agree %100.
It has to be Hillary. She is partly responsible for the negative campaign McCain is running now using her words and ads.
Picking her will force Hill-Bill and all the rest to really put their 'hearts' into it.
Bring more women on board.
He needs to threaten- blackmail whatever to get her on that ticket. If he goes down, she goes down with him and no 2012 for them.
dariencrow: Okay, let me rephrase the question. Is there any outside enforcement capable of restricting the McCain campaign from ignoring the public financing limits he supposedly has to legally follow not based on appeals to have faith in John McCain's soul?
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