Thursday, August 7, 2008

Bubba By Numbers



That's a Pollster.com-style chart of Bill Clinton's favorability ratings since the start of calendar year 2001, just as he was preparing to leave office. The patterns are fairly easy to infer. Clinton remained popular in the waning days of his Presidency. Once he left office, his numbers essentially became a mirror image of George W. Bush's, moving into net-unfavorable territory when Bush was reasonably well-liked, and then rising as the President declined in popularity. But since his wife began to run for office, his numbers have faltered, falling from about a +20 at their peak in 2006 and early 2007 to roughly +5 now.

I think there is more risk than the insta-pundit reaction seems to be acknowledging in the news that Bill Clinton will speak just before the Vice Presidential nominee on the Wednesday night of the Democratic convention. This is a huge speech, and it means that there is going to be an awful lotta Clinton at the convention, with Hillary probably delivering the keynote on Tuesday and Bill stealing the spotlight on Wednesday.

Indeed, the only reason why Bill's speech won't upstage Obama's is because Obama is such a strong orator. It will possibly upstage his wife's, and probably upstage the vice president's. In fact, it puts Obama in even more of a pickle in making his VP choice. Does it become even more important now to have a 'change' candidate, to avoid the convention being too much of a back-to-the-future affair? Or do you need someone who won't create an awkward contrast with the Clintons? If the importance of oratory is elevated by the chore of having to speak after Bill Clinton, does that boost the prospects of the relatively stronger speakers (Joe Biden and Tim Kaine) at the expense of the relatively weaker ones (Evan Bayh and Kathleen Sebelius)? Does it help someone like Wesley Clark, who is relatively well equipped to navigate these different parameters? And how sure are we that we should be ruling out Hillary?

48 comments

micah9 said...

So what happens if Obama picks Hillary? Bill introduces Hill?

tomthress said...

"It will possibly upstage his wife's"

Maybe from Obama's perspective that's a good thing.

As far as having Pres. Clinton speak the same night as the VP, I can think of three ways you can spin that off the top of my head:

1) It raises the odds that Hillary's the VP. Bill's speech would then simply transition into the traditional introductory speech for the VP.

2) Obama intends to nominate a VP who's a lousy speaker. The hope is that Bill's speech overshadows the lackluster VP speech.

3) Obama's speech - before 75,000 adoring fans - is clearly going to be the highlight of the Dem convention. By having Bill's speech the day immediately before Obama's, it minimizes the impact of Pres. Clinton's speech, by minimizing the length of time between Clinton's and Obama's speeches.

Michelle said...

Actually placing BIll on VP night may be a way to force the Clintons to show grace and approval towards a VP candidate they may not be very enthused about ... Follow my eyes to Kansas.

DCCyclone said...

I think you have to assume that the Obama campaign will tightly script and control Bill's speech. The Obama people are nothing if not tight handlers. Bill might complain about that behind the scenes, but he'll submit to it no matter how grudgingly. And that tight control will ensure Bill doesn't give a soaring speech that overshadows the VP choice.

The biggest mistake in analysis is to think that the choice of Bill to speak before the VP nominee in any way affects Obama's choice of a running mate. It doesn't. They are too smart to let something as small as that influence who is going to be the next Vice President of the United States.

ajbeecroft said...

Also, aren't the networks doing only very limited convention coverage this time? They can't very well not cover the VP nominee's speech, so they may not be able to cover the former president's.

sarasotajoe said...

Obama's not the only one in a pickle here. So is Bill. He is there to resuscitate his image more than to help elect Obama. But the best way for him to do that is to give a '92 style inspiring Bill Clinton speech that clearly helps elect Obama. I think he'll pull it off and both his favorability ratings and Obama's will get a bump from it. But it is dangerous for everybody if he fails.

Michelle is correct that it will be Bill's job to bless the VP on behalf of "The Clintons." It will also be his job to convincingly bless the Obama candidacy. Putting him just before the VP sets him up to bless the ticket. I imagine Obama is betting that Clinton is smart enough to realize his own standing depends on him doing that well.

clarkejeffrey said...

This is interesting. People will certainly be watching his speech.

Here is my hope:

He can effectively be the attack dog and be the one person that goes entirely after McCain. If he is the bad cop, Obama is free to completely be the good cop.

Here is my fear:

He's apparently still not over it. There is a really high likelihood that he will make the entire thing about himself and never mention Obama or McCain.

Does anyone remember the 1988 convention?

He was supposed to give a 15 minute speech. He talked for nearly an hour. It threw everything else off track, knocked all the other speakers out of primetime and was not at all well received. But hey, he was a nobody Arkansas governor and he was given a shot at the national spotlight. He practically dared the DNC to have security physically remove him from the platform.

clarkejeffrey said...

This is interesting. People will certainly be watching his speech.

Here is my hope:

He can effectively be the attack dog and be the one person that goes entirely after McCain. If he is the bad cop, Obama is free to completely be the good cop.

Here is my fear:

He's apparently still not over it. There is a really high likelihood that he will make the entire thing about himself and never mention Obama or McCain.

Does anyone remember the 1988 convention?

He was supposed to give a 15 minute speech. He talked for nearly an hour. It threw everything else off track, knocked all the other speakers out of primetime and was not at all well received. But hey, he was a nobody Arkansas governor and he was given a shot at the national spotlight. He practically dared the DNC to have security physically remove him from the platform.

hillaryclinton4barackobama said...

Not to worry ...


Those nos. will shoot right back up once Obama is in the White House ...


ie. if it looks like Bill actually helped to secure it ...

sdf said...

I assume that this was arranged in order to assuage the apparently still bitter, frustrated Big Dog? And if so, that there is clear communication between the Obama campaign and the former President as to this being about reconciliation?

Or, to put it another way, giving him this spot is clearly part of the "healing process," nicht wahr?

gliadrachan said...

What if Bill isn't told who the VP is before giving his speech?

All that's been announced is that he is speaking on that night, not that he is also introducing the VP.

hillaryclinton4barackobama said...

clarkejeffrey , if he does that I am sorry to say that his political future will be royally fύckәd (excuse my French ...

Not to mention those of his extended family ...

BTW ... Have you seen the current impatience towards pomposity coming from the general population ? ...
No one likes a character that's full of themselves ...

gwill2k8 said...

Having Bill speak before the V.P. may raise viewership and make the Democratic convention a strong 3 day presentation of what the party has to offer. It builds anticipation and will drive up ratings. Generating this type of momentum and enthusiasm is crucial if the convention wants to overpower the McCain/ GOP message that will command the airwaves the following week. Maybe Bill could give a speech acting as a peacemaker and bridge between the Hillary and Obama factions, therefore restoring his rightful place as noble and wise party elder. The only problem is it seems the press is in love with the more negative elements of this storyline because controversy and outrage sells. But just like the other Obama-Hillary appearance, all that can easily be made to appear as water under the bridge if the situation is handled with the type of professionalism and political I.Q. that all three politicians are capable of. With that said the V.P. better be a strong speaker because the star power represented by the Clintons will demand there not be a let down when the future/ change team starts to spell out what it stands for in front of a national audience.

PReader said...

I think the best stagecraft would have been to have Bill introduce Obama on Thursday. Let Bill get his ego stroked in front of 75,000 fans, and have that moment be the symbolic passing of the torch. The effect would have been huge, I would think.

tomthress said...

"Let Bill get his ego stroked in front of 75,000 fans"

And then right afterward have the same crowd go even MORE crazy for Obama. And of course nobody would remember a word of what Clinton said after Obama's acceptance speech.

No, giving Clinton his own day before the torch is passed to Obama makes more sense as an ego-stroker, I would think.

sulthernao said...

tomthress,

Not only that, but the fact that you will have three straight days of blockbuster appearances Hillary, Bill and then Barack.

Lupercal said...

"Let Bill get his ego stroked in front of 75,000 fans"

There's no guarantee that he could let go of the adulation. if he were to give a 15 minute speech, you'd get a 1 hour show with the potential of him doing real damage to obama whenever he goes unscripted. And let me say that bill clinton has nothing to lose in this. hillary does. bill was a highly successful president. if obama loses and everybody holds a grudge against bill, in 15 years, he'd likely still be the only 2 term president since the 60s. so, long term, he already has his place in history. obama needs to choreograph as much as possible whenever bill is speaking. hillary is a different thing. she actually has the discipline and control not to undermine obama if that's what she wants.