7.14.2008

When Memes Collide



The cover is brilliant. But I read the New Yorker for the articles.

Ryan Lizza's 15,000-word epic by no means paints the most flattering picture of Barack Obama. His Obama is remarkably intelligent and very level-headed, but also understands every lever of power, and is ambitious to the point of being ruthless.

Well, no shit he's ambitious. For any American to go from a relatively unprivileged childhood (or a privileged one for that matter) to be on the doorstep of the Preisdency by the time he's age 46 requires a perfect storm of luck, intelligence, and ambition. Obama has ample amounts of each.

But the article is more remarkable for revealing what Obama is not.

One, he's not some Pierre Trudeau type of academic. Obama became interested in politics very early, and seemed to have some keen understanding of his upside potential. The sometimes languid pace of academia was not really compatible with that.

Two, Obama was not corrupt. He knew how to navigate the rules of the system. But he didn't cheat the system. Obama succeeded, for instance, in disqualifying Alice Palmer from the ballot in the Illinois State Senate because she faked hundreds of signatures to get her name on it, and then Obama called her out. That's maybe not the most mannerly, tea-and-crumpets way of doing things. But Obama didn't cheat. Palmer had cheated. What Obama did was to exploit some of the inefficiencies of the Chicago machine system. Tony Rezko donates, though legal channels, a bunch of money because he expects you to behave like a typical machine politician and do him illegal favors? What to do? Well, you take his money. And then you don't do him the favors.

Third, Obama is not any kind of radical, and particularly not any kind of radical black nationalist. His associations with people like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers may have arisen out of a certain amount of political convenience; they were significant players in the South Side political scene. But there is no evidence that he shared many of their political ideas. Hyde Park is not some liberal enclave in the way that Berkley or Boulder is. It is, rather, a place where people are very tolerant of different ideas. Liberal and even radical ideas, but notably also, conservative ones (where do Leon Kass and John Mearsheimer teach -- and where did Milton Friedman?). Hyde Park prides itself on being a laboratory of free thought and free speech, and so these people can lead a relatively happy coexistence there. But their views do not represent the consensus, and there is certainly no evidence that they represented Obama's.

And moving out of Hyde Park into the South Side community at large, Obama enjoyed relatively chilly relations with many of the district's more predictably left-liberal black politicians. Obama isn't a Black Panther. But Bobby Rush was. Obama tried to primary him out of Congress.

And so while some on the right (and others, less coherently, on the loopy left) will try and excoriate Obama for the political equivalent of not helping old ladies to cross the street, a lot of their favorite narratives about Obama are blown up by this article. Hence, the irony of the cover art. (The right's favorite punchline about the cover seems to be, "all humor has it's basis in reality" [sic]. To which I'd ask: what part has the basis in reality? The terrorist part or the terrorist part?)

That does not mean that the Obama that emerges from Lizza's piece is particularly warm and cuddly. He is certainly a very political creature, and there is something a little steely and postmodern about it all. But it is also not clear that Obama is playing some kind of angle. He seems, rather, to hold a lot of fairly mainstream, somewhat empirically-driven views -- still an idealist in certain ways, but not highly ideological. The White House may represent to him some sort of final step in his self-actualization, but he's not going there to get a blow job, or to play out some sort of Oedipal complex. It's all actually sort of ... boring.



EDIT: Here's the other important thing to understand about the cover. It's certainly provocative. But it's not scary. On the contrary, it takes a scary idea, and makes it nonscary -- literally cartoonish. If the drawing of the Obamas had been a little more photorealistic, then you might have the sort of thing that would lie dormant in people's subconsciousnesses and potentially do some damage. But it isn't.

111 comments

Splitting Image said...

Good god.

Do you mean he actually wants to govern America?

Crikey!

Anonymous said...

Fantastic.

You know, he may be perfect for the job.

coled said...

I like this site; in fact, I check it at least once per day.

I feel like it's a little bit like watching a Sox/Yanks game on NESN when you're not a Sox fan. (i.e., A little too much latent homer-ism for MY tastes.) [But not nearly as bad as Ken "The Hawk" Harrelson's homerism.]

I wish the site could be a little more neutral, or at least have a more neutral feel to it.

Obviously, Nate is very out in the open about his support for Obama. Which is fine. But to me, it disrupts the "atmospherics" and ambiance of what I'd prefer the site be about (the data, modeling, and projections.)

I know, I know. It's not my site. But as a reader I can certainly have an opinion of what I like and don't like.

Right now, entries like this one make it feel more like this is like an loosely affiliated extension of the Daily Kos.

I still like the site, will continue to visit throughout the election. But I thought I'd take the opportunity to register my opinion.

Thanks, Nate.

Anonymous said...

is blade runner still the go-to reference for steely postmodernism? anyway, i liked the post. keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Far better than DailyKos over here. They've got a 2000+ thread right now bitching about the cover, for god's sake. They could use a cold shower of empiricism over there.

As for the Obama the article portrays...well, supporter though I am, I have never been a fan, and this confirms it. Oh well -- I hope he doesn't have too much trouble these next few months with his small-donor money machine.

Anonymous said...

Since when did "ambition" become a fault.

All great men are ambitious. William Herndon, Lincoln's law partner and biographer, said that Abe's ambition was "a little engine that never slept".

Ambition is what drives the Lincolns, the Obamas and the McCAins. Its what the ambition transmutes into that counts.

Diggsb said...

Thanks dawg, for picking up on the fact that the best damn part of this whole New Yorker controversy is in the TEXT! Not the drawing!

And as per usual, you get the big picture and yours is the best damn commentary on the whole thing that I've seen.

But on an aside, that artist friggin rules for being able to stir up such a cauldron of controversy. I hate it, but I gotta love it too.

V Cubed said...

The cover is so not "brilliant", but you'd have to feel it's wrong to make caricatures out of maligned people to agree with me, I guess.

There have been much better political cartoons satirizing people's ignorant assumptions, without insulting entire groups of people (Tom Toles is one of my favorites). A list of those insulted: black women with natural hair (they're all angry militants, naturally), Muslims (they're all bin Ladin worshippers), Christians who like Obama's faith-based personal history (but he can't be Christian because he's got an African name), and everyone who has worked like a mule (to try to end the ignorant media-fed assumptions that Obama is a closet radical Muslim and that Michelle hates America).

Then, beyond the image, the article content, as you yourself say, dehumanizes Barack and makes him appear as a sort of robotic ambition-driven opportunist with no human interests motivating his candidacy (no biggie since all those Manchurian candidate smear emails have disappeared into the ether - not!).

But ok, in your eyes it's brilliant. In mine, it's piss, and means more work. Damn.

Wilson said...

I am not sure the caricature is totally harmless - with the US flag burning in the fireplace.

Diggsb said...

"It's all actually sort of ... boring."

Wow, that actually had me laughing out loud upon rereading it. That's the beautiful thing about not only your post but the New Yorker article as well. The whole "you think it's like this, but really it's like this" aspect to it just charms the hell out of me. And yes, it all makes me equally appreciative of Obama in a whole different light. Sure, it detracts from some aspects of his personality, making them seem more calculating and 'boring-ified', but it also adds gobs of character and back-story to him in places where before I'd only seen blank idealism and naivete. Okay, call me a fan, but I'm so very into it.

thisniss said...

The "boring" Obama (as opposed to the "centrist" or gd-forbid, "flip-flopping" Obama) is what makes me think Sebelius is such a good VP choice for him. Schweitzer, too, though he is slightly less boring-in-a-good-way.

I'm not sure what it means that I'm continually conversing with this blog in my head. I think I maybe just "answered" an earlier post in this thread. Prolly time to stop hitting refresh.

Anonymous said...

TYPO IN YOUR ADDENDUM: ". . . that would lay dormant. . .

Should be "lie dormant," not "lay dormant".

Terrific article.

counsellorben said...

Nate said "where do Leon Kass and John Mearsheimer teach -- and where did Milton Friedman?"

Let's not forget that much of the legal foundation for the conservative movement has come from the University of Chicago Law School.  Also, the Federalist Society, the network for conservative law students and lawyers, was founded there.

As far as Obama's motivations being "sort of ... boring," I for one actually find that a big positive, after sixteen years of the soap opera that has been the White House.

Finally, I cannot accept "Blade Runner" as the definition for "steely and postmodern."  It has aged badly.  For me, this will always be the definition of steely and postmodern.

Ben said...

What a sensible and intelligent post, Nate! I haven't yet read the article (though I look forward to it), but I look forward to it. As for the cover, I completely agree with your analysis of it. Having tried to read my way through the multipost freak-out over on dKos, I can assure your readers of a more conservative persuasion that this site is quite different from that one!

What's interesting about the Kossacks who are freaking out about the cover is that they frequently switch gears and return to freaking out about criticism of Obama's FISA vote. I think a lot of the people posting on dKos are (unnecessarily) very scared right about how this election will turn out. And fear tends not to lead people to make very sensible political decisions. Don't get me wrong; I don't think Obama supporters should be complacent. But he's not going to lose the election because of criticisms of his FISA vote from the left or supportive (if controversial) political cartoons.

And counsellorben, Fritz Lang's tale of future reconciliation between the industrial classes is not steely postmodernism, but rather steely modernism.

Anonymous said...

If the left wing magazine the New Yorker thinks it, then the rest of America does Too.

Dr Anonymous said...

On the cover:

Look, there's intent, and there's stupidity. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on intent - I sort of believe the cartoonist and the New York when they say it's satire, thought the cover makes me uncomfortable (terrorist vs. terrorist is a good way to describe it).

But whether or not it's responsible? That's a different question. Putting out an image like that that's going to float around the Internet, that needs conversation to deconstruct and explain, etc. Maybe they're right and I don't give enough credit to people who see it and will recognize it for what it is or maybe the New Yorker is marginalized enough that it doesn't matter, that the image won't get to the wrong people in the wrong places who could use it for the wrong ends.

But point being - they're playing with fire - and that seems irresponsible to me given the potential consequences.

jqb said...

"If the drawing of the Obamas had been a little more photorealistic, then you might have the sort of thing that would lie dormant in people's subconsciousnesses and potentially do some damage. But it isn't."

This is cretinous. There's a reason that Larry Johnson and other enemies of Obama are plastering this all over their blogs.

I broke my right wing said...

A phrase stands out from Obama's book, Audacity of Hope. He mentions suffering from a poverty of ambition, constantly having the need to move on to bigger, better things.

jqb said...

"I sort of believe the cartoonist and the New York when they say it's satire"

It may be intended to be satire, but it simply isn't. Satire mocks an idea; this cartoon doesn't mock it, it illustrates it. Every right winger on the planet will look at this and thinks that it reveals the real Obama.

jqb said...

maybe the New Yorker is marginalized enough that it doesn't matter, that the image won't get to the wrong people in the wrong places who could use it for the wrong ends.

Hey, maybe you haven't heard of the 21st century, where there's this thing called the web, with these things called hyperlinks. Like, say, the one at the top of this article to Larry Johnson's rabid anti-Obama site that links to this cover.

Sheesh but people are dumb.

jqb said...

supportive (if controversial) political cartoons.

Supportive? That is beyond incredibly stupid.

Adam said...

The only way this hurts Obama is that the talking heads will cover this cartoon (and the leftwing reaction) at the same time Obama is trying to quickly tack to the right so he can be seen as a centrist.

In the end it's not going to make much difference. The Right is going to wind up playing Rev. Wright clips and audio tape of Obama narrating his book and it's either going to work or it's not.

jqb said...

I am not sure the caricature is totally harmless - with the US flag burning in the fireplace.

Of course it isn't. You have to be functioning at the level of an IQ of 75 to think that it's harmless, and considerably lower to think it's "supportive".

Ben said...

Satire mocks an idea; this cartoon doesn't mock it, it illustrates it.

Satire can mock an idea by illustrating it in a way that is obviously ridiculous. This cartoon is obviously ridiculous. Barack Obama does not burn flags. And he and Michelle do not dress like that. Michelle Obama does not have Angela Davis's hairdo.

If we are to believe those freaking out about this cover, Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, which presents itself as a serious argument, was not a work of satire at all but rather an incitement to actually eat Irish children.

As for Larry Johnson's use of the cover: Johnson has a fairly loose grip on reality in general. We don't look to him for our assessment of anything else, why should we look to him for our assessment of this cover? The fact that he can't get a joke at his own expense itself becomes part of the joke.

V Cubed said...

An ugly pattern is emerging on the Left, and it's making a lot of people of all races and ethnicities and political proclivities angry. Simply put, efforts to appear cutting edge or trendy or cool, by pundits whether on TV, radio, blogs or print, written or drawn, getting paid lots of $$ to opine, are using insulting images and words and calling them "critique" and "satire".

It's elitist to act like everyone who reads/sees these words/images will read between the lines that it's satire or high and mighty academic critique. At best it's just wishful thinking, for have we forgotten there's an entire category we're constantly polling called "low information voters"?

On the PBS pundit show The McLaughlin Group (yep, he's still out there!), McLaughlin wanted a discussion of Obama as an "oreo". How's that make you feel? It made me feel quite sick.

If they don't get a clue of how they make many people wretch with their attempts at humor or coolness, they're going to fracture the Left more than Rove and Gingrich could've hoped in their wildest dreams. I've already seen plenty of that with African American voters after that brutal primary. Many lost all respect for the Democratic Party and these attempts at humor/coolness don't help.

asmodeus said...

jqb: stop proving Nate right you clown! The cover of the new New Yorker is surely supposed to be ironic. I like it and I have to say that I think the Obama camp's reaction is a little stupid. They could show evidence of a sense of humour, be more magnanimous and accept this kind of playfulness. Just as the 'fist-bump' itself was a bit of fun. Live and let live in other words. Soviet-style censorship is not change anyone can believe in.

Ben said...

v cubed....

This cover is not an attempt to be "hip" or "cool," it is a direct critique of the various right-wing whispering campaigns about Obama. There's nothing elitist or high-minded about that. It's just satire, plain and simple.

asmodeus...

On the other hand, I think the Obama camp's initial reaction to this is actually the political smart one for them to take.

Given what happened in 2004, a multipronged assault on efforts to swiftboat the candidate seems called for. That would include both trying to make any such expressions unacceptable (the response of the Obama camp, which predictably elicited a useful echo from the McCain camp) as well as the cartoon itself, which helps render these views ridiculous (and ironically provided a useful opportunity for the Obama campaign to put the McCain campaign on the spot regarding these issues).

So I'm fine with the cartoon and with the Obama campaign's measured, but firmly negative, response.

Nobody is calling for a "Soviet-style censorship" of such images...though give the folks at dKos a few more hours and they just might start doing so ;-)

V Cubed said...

Ben, allow me to clarify. The cover is a tasteless attempt at satire, I agree with Barack, whose response you so laud, completely. I suspect Obama's as sincere as I am about how it feels to see it, since like many ethnic groups, mine has been similarly smeared - I just read about 30 "dirty criminal Mexican" comments out of 35 comments on a local article about Obama and the NCLA (La Raza) conference (I'm not Mexican, neither is La Raza only advocating for Mexicans) - in San Francisco no less!

McLaughlin was trying to be cool. That work for ya?

Juris said...

"The Cover" just brings out into the open the ridiculous stereotypes of the right wingers, and does no harm in my opinion.

I agree with Ben.

counsellorben said...

Ben said "Fritz Lang's tale of future reconciliation between the industrial classes is not steely postmodernism, but rather steely modernism."

A story of ennui and class struggle as modernism?  Ben, we will have to agree to disagree on this critical issue.

Clarke said...

I think the disconnect on the cover is intention versus result.

There really are people who think Obama is a "Muslim." Yes, many of them are just substituting Muslim for n***** but not all.

There's a much larger group of people who aren't really sure. Assuming this group - one politically unsophisticated enough to not know for sure - will correctly interpret this cover is overconfidence. One can only interpret satire as satire if you understand the subject matter sufficiently.

If I told my parents a Blu-Ray disk could hold "only like 100 Gigs" or that to solve internet congestion that any traffic "with the pirate flag" they wouldn't understand I was using hyperbole or satire because they don't understand the topic sufficiently. Similarly, some people will see this cover and in the back of their mind go "Oh yeah, thats the Muslim guy. And he's burning a flag?" and it will lie dormant in the back of that potetial voter's mind or lend credence to that conservative meme ("Oh yeah, I heard he's a Muslim too").

Now, others aren't convinced he's a Muslim by the cover because we know that is factually not true. We're not the ones to be concerned about deceptive imagery (if we're going to 538 we're pretty serious about politics)

Anonymous said...

ambitious to the point of ruthless? What a refreshing change for us Dems. Maybe we'll actually win for a change. And maybe that will be followed with a successful administration that doesn't take any crap from anyone.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me, or does the person running this site seem like a bit of an Obama homer...on a daily basis...?

Juris said...

Omigod! Nate is an Obama supporter? Shocking!

Or not. It's on his FAQ, numbskull.

Ben said...

A story of ennui and class struggle as modernism? Ben, we will have to agree to disagree on this critical issue.

counsellorben,

If ennui and class struggle aren't modernist, I'm not sure what is (think Durkheim and Marx)! Especially when Metropolis's story is neatly and unironically a tale of the reconciliation of the head and the heart, the elite and the workers, the male and the female. Talk about being invested in the metanarratives!

Ben V-L said...

I think what this cover, and the discussion ensuing, demostrates is that the conservative movement has raised the bar really, really high for satire. Impossibly high. What could the New Yorker have come up with that would be obviously over-the-top, given the standard of what is regularly put out in major media outlets by Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter?

So, yes, the cover is an illustration of the absurdity of the criticisms of Obama, and yet simultaneously it is a rather accurate straight description of the criticisms used by conservatives. At that point, as irony, it fails.

In failing, it becomes ironic at some higher, meta level, in demonstrating the futility of satirizing the conservative movement. But I don't think this failure-irony is what the New Yorker was aiming for.

jsh1120 said...

Frankly, I'm not especially concerned that a New Yorker cover will prove decisive in this year's election (in either direction.) And while I'm a long-term reader of the mag, I have to say that the comments about it seem to illustrate a more famous New Yorker cover depicting a view of New Yorkers' of the map of the United States.

As far as the Lizza article is concerned, I'm struck by the similarity between Obama's history in machine politics in Chicago and another American politician's background in machine politics. It was a guy named Harry Truman.

Pete Kent said...

Good lord, 15,000 words. Who has the time to read that? The world will have changed twice over by the time I have finished it. I thank Nate for his excellent summary and saving me the trouble.

That said, I think the article portends problems for Obama on several fronts. While his supporters may breathe a sigh of relief that it does not paint him as corrupt or radical, it does show that he as a man of naked political calculation and something of a user and a phony.

That will not endear him to the left or the true believers out there.

Worse, he is portrayed as being non-ideological; notions of his political calculus being empirical and part of a trajectory towards self-actualization should bring comfort to no one.

This is a man as to whom we know very little about. He seems to be saying: "Trust me, I am smart. I know better than you. Let me govern." The questions remains: Govern how precisely?

Then there is the cover. It would not have been there unless it spoke to an unconscious level of mistrust about the Obamas. Again, we simply do know who they are. And they have not revealed themselves.

While we have their words of assurance (more from him than from her), their past associations (which need not be detailed here) suggest a plausibility to the accusations that somehow they are not patriotic enough, not American enough, not opposed to our enemies enough to satisfy the concerns of a segment of the population out there.

I am one of those skeptics. While I do not really believe that Obama is an agent of Muslim forces, he has yet to define his peculiar brand of patriotism to me and I am not sure if he would truly put American interests first. My suspicion is that he is some sort of globalist out to advance the interest of the entire world.

That is noble goal, one for which we should all aim. But it is not the job of the President of the United States. Perhaps he should run for Pope!

Mainer said...

Thanks for cutting through the clutter, Nate.

What the New Yorker article tells me is that:

1. Obama is an experienced legislator.

2. Obama knows how to build relationships with people with different points of view.

3. Obama has the skills to compromise to get things done.

And all of this is consistent with Obama's core message. After all, how can you possibly go beyond blue and red to get things done if you don't work with others and craft compromises?

Regarding the cover, it's a small distraction at most, far less important than the big defining policy distinctions which will be sharpened over time, the very negative views held toward Republicans, the enthusiasm gap, and the incredible ground game of the Obama campaign.

Anonymous said...

If you have to explain satire or a joke, it clearly wasn't funny or effective.

thisniss said...

On the cover: I have to agree that the question is one of intent v. execution. By way of analogy, Fox's abysmal "Half-hour News Hour" program attempted satire; what it achieved, from the three minutes I ever saw of it, was reflexive cringing.

I had the same reaction with this image. I found the Barack portrait fine, and actually did find the flag in the fireplace funny. But the portrait of Michelle was way too familiar.

There's a way, I suppose, to draw upon the history of racist imagery in order to critique it. But satire has to do more than simply reproduce the object it wishes to critique (a la "Half-hour News Hour"). It also has to get its audience to question it to some degree (a la "A Modest Proposal"). And it helps if it's funny. The Michelle image fails on both counts, imo.

Anonymous said...

If you have to explain satire or a joke, you're trying to tell the right why Colbert was funny at the correspondents' dinner.

The New Yorker did what they do, and fairly well. The Obama campaign did what they do, and fairly well. And leftie sites like dKos, and some of the commenters here, are doing what they do, fairly well.

Fortunately, both at dKos and here, others are a bit less ... reactive.

Perfectly said, Nate. Thanks.

Stephen C. Rose said...

There is also a shorter text that shows that Barack's flips have been minor adjustments compared to McCain's gyrations.

The cover will be put to use by the Hannity's of the world, no matter what the nuanced interpretation of it is. Barack will do a Philadelphia type speech if it is warranted to deal with this and any other accumulated MSM behavior. Funny the MSM questions the race of so close. As if they had nothing to do with that.

Good take on the main article.

Stroszek said...

Ben is absolutely right. Ennui and class struggle is the very essence of modernism. Metropolis especially since it concludes with two essential sides achieving understanding and mutual reconciliation.

Blade Runner is kind of a hybrid, peripherally post-modern in style but also very faithful to tradition. I guess I would say the original cut is very modernist (with the subjective narrative voice-over), but the director's cut is more post-modern, given the irreconcilable distance placed between the viewer and character.

This is what I would consider to be the best example of postmodern film: a flurry of contradictions, irreconcilable tensions, and shifting perspectives.

A postmodern politician would be someone who jumps between conflicting identities, destabilizing old oppositions and exploiting the fractured, ambiguous nature of language to his own ends. Obama is "postmodern" to an extent but I think that has more to do with the media environment than the candidate himself. George W. Bush was the first genuinely postmodern president. He raised saying nothing to an art form.

Ben said...

thisness,

The Michelle Obama image doesn't look anything like the racist images you linked to. She looks like Angela Davis (except that I don't think Angela Davis usually dresses in stereotypical revolutionary guerilla gear...which is also not typical of Jim Crow depictions of African Americans).

Does the New Yorker cover contain racial material? You bet. It's satirizing outright racist whispering campaigns about the Obamas. But its references are more than mere reproductions of racist imagery.

Michelle Obama neither looks like nor thinks like Angela Davis. But she is essentially accused by her rightwing critics of being Angela Davis. So picturing her as Angela Davis (plus a gun and fatigues) is funny.

counsellorben said...

I notice a sudden lack of breathless bloviation from our right wing posters about Obama's collapse, given that today both the Rasmussen and Gallup daily tracking polls regressed back toward their recent means.

DJShay said...

Hey Nate. I'd love to hear you're take on this article in Salon about undercounting cell phone only households in polling.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/14/cell_phone/?source=newsletter

Stephen said...

I know the New Yorker is just doing what they do, and I definitely get the satire of it. I'm intelligent and follow politics like a fly to the zappy light. It's sad to have to address everything in terms of our "least common denominator" but I think it's valid.

I also don't think it will end up amounting to much new against Obama, but I think it deserves a bit of backlash, if only for political purposes. They could have put the cartoon right next to a more explicit denunication of "the politics of fear," which the article is not actually about. And I know being erudite rather than explicit is again, just what the New Yorker does-- but in reality the cartoon will now get passed around and used exactly the same way that "The Politics of Fear" mongerers would use it, but with the New Yorker name brand to back it up. Anyway, I get the joke and don't mind the cartoon or article, they're right for their intended article. But they can't be that surprised by the backlash and it's important to do just to try to help defeat the subtext of the cartoon for that "low information voter."

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Stephen said...

^ intendended audience not article

Robert said...

I just wanted to chime in. I was reading the comments and have seen people complaining about your "bias." They seem to want this sight to be numbers only.

I also check this site almost every day, and love it for both the more clinical projections, as well as your very thoughtful thought/musing posts. So, here's one more vote for posts like this one where someone actually intelligently comments on what is going on (on their own personal site), in a way that is not just echoing opinion leaders. I like it, whether I agree or disagree with a given point.

Oh, and I think Clarke makes an excellent point.

RedsManRick said...

I find the imagined person American's supposedly want in office quite funny. It's supposed to be a person with little ambition, a mediocre education, and a blue collar background.

Would we want the generals of our armies to be average soldiers? Would we have the captain of our local sports team be an average player? Would we have the conductor of our greatest orchestra have little interest in music? So why do we complain when our candidates for president have the qualities of a great political leader?

p smith said...

Well, surprise surprise. Rasmussen has Obama's lead up a couple of points as one day's bad polling drops out the rolling average. I could be very tedious and suggest that this represents the public's rejection of McCain's energy policies but I'll leave cod analysis to the retards (of which there seem to be a growing number on thi site). People on both sides really need to get out of the habit of trying to extrapolate off the back of a couple of polls.

To say that Obama's lead collapsed from 15 to 3 points in the Newsweek poll is as certifiably dumb as it was to say a month previously that Obama's lead leaped from 2 points to 15 points. No such thing happened. Period.

Later today PPP will release a poll for Colorado which will be interesting as they haven't polled there yet. They will also release results from South Carolina tomorrow. Still nothing from SurveyUSA or ARG and Rasmussen have not said (as they usually do) that there are any state polls due to today. Come on people, there's an election on!

Jim S. said...

@RedMansRick:

I'm with you. What exactly do people look for in President? I'm gonna go with the smarter guy who looks like he's leading people more effectively. If there were a tossup in those categories (which I do not believe there is in this election, but let's say so for the sake of argument), I would pick the person who has more at stake (Obama almost certainly will have to live with the repercussions of his Presidency while McCain almost certainly will not) and who can function in the modern world (McCain doesn't even use email yet and he needs to have his staff show him web pages).

Would you invest in any company where the CEO admittedly is "learning to get online" and doesn't even use email yet? I would run, run, run away from investing in any company like that. Yet, about half our country is considering putting this dinosaur in the ultimate executive position.

Stephen said...

Agreed- where the heck is the swing state polling that was going so strongly?

I also think it's a little sad that the unintended distractions of both this New Yorker thing and previously the Jesse Jackson thing (neither of which do anything for the race, and just have shock value) are getting so much more attention than the real policy positions. Interestingly, while the New Yorker article is the clear scandal, there's I think a more newsworthy op-ed in the times today. Sigh... we love a good scandal though.

nattybumpo said...

To criticize someone running for president for being ambitious is like criticizing a lion for being a killer. To be a lion is to be a killer. To run for president is to be insanely ambitious, by defition.

Kurt said...

Pollsters aren't polling people who only have a cell phone, which is highly favoring Obama...
I recently read this article and was hoping you could write about this on you site. Thanks

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/14/cell_phone/?source=newsletter

Prematurely Grey said...

The significant political fallout of this cover is not whether it triggers the "Obama-is-a-Muslim-terrorist-and his-wife-is-a-scary-Black-revolutionary-from-1971" meme in the "low information"voter. I do not believe that seeing The New Yorker is really going to have an impact on the average

The significance is that it gives Rush et al the perfect example for what's different between us and them. (I'm about to assume the persona of Rush Limbaugh here, people--please do not think I've morphed into an actual McCain troll.):

Here's the thing people. We love this country. We want to protect it from terrorists. [He'll let the Michelle stuff slide in this rant.] And they, my friends, the editors of The New Yorker and the people who read this magazine, think that terrorism is funny. They make light of Muslim terrorists who want to destroy our nation. To them, dressing up their candidate for president like Osama Bin Laden is a JOKE. And, ladies and gentlemen, I am here to tell you that people wishing death to America IS NO JOKE."

I live in Texas. Let me tell you, the wind has been taken out of the right's sails. Gas prices are getting them down. Foreclosures are a real problem (although not too bad here.) McCain seems like a leprechaun, always a glint in his eye. The last thing the left needs to do is feed the beast. And that's what this cover does. What kind of decent person thinks this is funny? The right has been dying for something that shows why they have to fight the good fight. "There's something wrong with people who think this kind of thing is funny." You don't have to be a low information voter, you don't have to actually think Obama is a Muslim, to find people making fun of your fears offensive.

My two cents. Sorry if it sound dkos-ish. Trying to ween myself from that place. And they're all coming to town on Wednesday...

Dale Petrie said...

I've been writing satire, mostly of the political variety, for several years now, and I've appreciated the artform for most of my life, and I can say that unless it draws a visceral reaction, it hasn't done its job. I used to write for a website where anyone could post and anyone could rate the stories people posted. I found that the stories that would get the most hits or the highest ratings were fluff pieces with no teeth. For me, a story was a success if it didn't use a ton of keywords that were popular on news thread searches, but still got a few hundred views, and which ended up with 3, maybe 3 1/2 stars over time, because I knew that people came to my story for what I had to say and not for sensational reasons, and I knew they either gave me a 5 or a 1. If it wasn't love it or hate it, it didn't do its job.

The whole point is, it's patently ridiculous to believe these things and it takes a particular lack of inquisitiveness and a propensity to believe what you're told without having to resort to actually thinking for yourself, in order for you to believe these types of things. Clearly the New Yorker's intended audience is not the type who takes email forwards as gospel. To the extent this reaches the mainstream, non New Yorker reader, this picture is either going to be used to reinforce lies to those who will believe nothing but (and are therefore lost causes in the first place, whom we should not waste time worrying about as THEY are the ones being satirized), or they will be accompanied by the backstory that this was done in an attempt to show the ridiculous nature of the rumors being spread...in that way anyone who does have the capacity to think for himself will be introduced to the rumors by being told that they are fodder for satire.

To my mind this can only be a good thing.

=j said...

"cod analysis"?!? Baseball, politics, AND fishing? How the hell am I ever going to get anything done?

Charles said...

> It's elitist to act like everyone who reads/sees these words/images will read between the lines that it's satire

Ahem, so hoping for a modicum of intelligence is nowadays elistist?!?

Alas, US political discourse (dominated as it is by sensationalist, brain-dead, yellow press coverage by TV "news" shows) has sunk so low that hoping for an intelligent media response - let alone one from many voters - is a forelorn hope.

It's that sheer insanity and dumbness which worries the Obama campaign. You can't take it for granted that people will understand the satirical coverage. And right-wing demagogues jump on this asserting that every satire bears a kernel of truth.

But that truth isn't about Obama, but relates to the utter bigotry poisoning so many minds.

I fully understand why the Obama campaign is worried and felt the need to come out with a swinging statement. After all, they have to deal every day with baseless slanders - and see then resonating with many voters! After all, there are enough dumbos out there who believe Obama's a Muslim (not that there would be anything wrong with that - but tell that to those benighted folks)!

No, bigotry and benightedness are alive and well in the United States. It's the inescable reality.

The job of the New Yorker - incidentally a very respected publication also here in Europe - is however not the one of the Obama campaign. They're putting the finger into the wound that is bigotry, demagoguery and witch-hunting. The cover shows a crude mentality up for what it is, but the artist's attitude itself is not the least crude.

Anyway, in a sane political environment, there would not be such a weird response to the cover, but then there would be no need for such a cover in the first place.

What has become of US political culture? Man, it's such a bizarre (if admittedly entertaining) spectacle. I'm so glad the political discourse here in Germany is less sensationalist and partisan, while being more fact-based.

To my mind, US TV media - and yes - the US electorate itself has a lot to answer for.

This disease of the political discourse has given us the Iraq quagmire, US disengagement from the world community and has also contributed to the present economic woes of the United States. The congress, the TV media and yes - the electorate - has failed America.

I'm hoping for a little sanity on your side of the pond. I am hopeful. I think there are strong counterveiling forces against the enfeeblement of key institutions, against bigotry and benightedness, but this is a long fight.

Good luck in reclaiming your country.

William said...

Great Job, Nate. Very appropriate and informed description of what it means to be from Hyde Park which has escaped the MSM. With continued excellent analysis like this you'll have to make a choice between baseball prospectus and political punditry.

Pete Kent said...

Counsellororben said: "I notice a sudden lack of breathless bloviation from our right wing posters about Obama's collapse, given that today both the Rasmussen and Gallup daily tracking polls regressed back toward their recent means."

First off Gallup has not reported for today. They report in the afternoon. Rasmussen shows a 1% uptick for Obama -- hardly "regression to the mean". Look at the numbers from his high watermark on the day of the dueling press conferences on July 3rd and will note a still significant 5% decline in his numbers.

I do think the race may stabilize for a bit based on not much happening. Though it remains to be seen how Obama's lecture to parents to make their kids learn Spanish will wind up ultimately playing out. The liberal news outlest sdid not give it nearly as much play as they did the Phil Gramm story. Surprise.

Anonymous said...

newsmgr:

Thought the cover was good, but think it missed the real target which is the Hannity Right and loopy left (as Nate called them.)

What would have been funny is if in the background you saw Sean Hannity putting the flag in the fire and Laura Ingram putting up the painting of bin Laden.

The article (still in the middle of it) is tough but mostly fair. Hasn't changed my opinion of Obama other than he may be a lot more effective than I thought.

Nate: keep up the good work. I'm learning a lot about statistics here.

Anonymous said...

"The liberal news outlest [sic] sdid [sic] not give it nearly as much play as they did the Phil Gramm story. Surprise."

And what exactly would you propose be done about liberal media bias, Pete? I honestly have never heard a good answer from the right on this, akin to how there's never a good answer to "how much should a woman who has an abortion be punished."

Should there be a "media bias handicap" assigned to Obama, in which he should refuse to take office if he wins by less than it?

Evan Thomas from Newsweek actually said this was a 15% handicap (then said it was closer to 5%, which conveniently the righty blogs never picked up on.)

And I've heard people say that if the media was "fair" then Santorum would have beaten Casey, i.e. an 18%+ handicap.

Likewise, what should be done about "liberal academia bias?" Should College Republicans be given extra GPA points? I can honestly say that none of my engineering professors, or even all but one or two humanities professors, has even come close to making politics an issue.

Mike Barook said...

The cover was terrible and not good satire, because it lacked an essential element of satire: an exaggeration of a truth.

There is no truth in the cover. It is not satire, it is mockery. Mockery of the right wing and low-information voters. But the mockery isn't even well understood. The publisher felt it necessary to go on Huffington post and explain it. You know the line about if you have to explain a joke.

The DailyKos people (I'm one) are right. The presidential campaign is a propaganda war. The New Yorker has the right to publish whatever it wants, and people have a right to complain, cancel their subscriptions. Since when does freedom of speech go just one way?

They aren't a niche publication anymore, no one really is, because of the Internet. So don't hide behind, "No one in Peoria will be affected by this." They already are.

Pete Kent said...

I can see the headline: New Yorker Cover wounds Obama Candidacy . . . still developing.

Such angst over nothing!

Or is there something there?

I liked the clarifying suggestion of having the Right Wing media hosts putting up the picture and shoving the flag into the fire. That is good sarcasm indeed!

Anonymous said...

ambition without ideology is bankrupt--the sole motivation of such individuals is unadulterated self-promotion. i do not find that a laudable or desirable characteristic in anyone--be they president or postman, but it explains how obama can so easily jettison previously avowed beliefs and heap scorn on those who judge him for it.

how is this any different than bush & co? sure, they latch on to ideologies temporarily that serve their purposes, but fundamentally all they care about is helping themselves. it's a trait often found in con men.

as for the new yorker's cover, my understanding is that satire creates a joke by portraying an accurate but unacknowledged representation of a situation. this cover, however, does just the opposite, it presents the inaccurate but frequently acknowledged misrepresentation of a situation--it would seem to me that the fault is not with those who didn't get the joke, but with the artist not understanding how jokes work. (the satire in swift's "let them eat babies" essay derived from the accurate but unacknowledged fact that the real proposals to combat the famine were absurd and damaging to the irish).

wj said...

What fascinates me is that all of the comments seem to focus on whether the cover is
a) bad for Obama's candidacy
b) neutral for it
c) good for it.

Somehow nobody seems to have noticed that the purpose of magazine covers is to sell magazines. Which they do by attracting attention. On which point, this cover has to be considered a resounding success -- maybe the most effective the New Yorker has had in years.

presidentraygun said...

I agree with Prematurely Gray...

I listen to Rush and Hannity on a regular basis to kinda get an idea what the right is saying, what their talking points are. And believe it or not, they haven't brought up these smears, there wasn't a legitimate way to, but now there is.

Rush will begin bloviating thusly, "Our liberal friends are all in a tizzy over a cartoon. This cartoon my friends, is a picture of Obama in traditional muslim garb, his wife with an afro and dressed as...uh, well, there's no other way to describe it, as a black panther type, gun slung over her shoulder. On the mantle piece a picture of Osama Bin Laden and in the fire place the American flag burning...Now, I thought liberals were champions of free speech, of free expression, why do they want to silence this? Because my friend in every joke, in every satire, there is a kernel of truth. So, the liberals are worried about you finding out about the real Obama and this cartoonist, is mocking you my friends, the liberals are mocking you. They think terrorism is funny, they think burning the flag is high humor. So... let us explore this cartoon, this bit of looney left humor and see what it really tells us about Obama...(insert all right wing smears hereto located only on the web).

Pete Kent said...

WJ,

if this were a blog about media matters, I'd agree that your point is more salient. But the discussion here is about public opinion -- and what moves it. We are a hungry bunch looking for the impact that every small and big development may have on the race.

I'd rate this cover as more reflective of the state of things than soemthing that is likely to move them.

MATT J. H. said...

Obama +8 in Michigan by Rasmussen.
How can the race be tied nationally and Obama hold an 8 point lead in Michigan. These polls just don't add up. Thank god we have Nate to shed some light on this stuff.

Anonymous said...

"ambition without ideology is bankrupt"

Really? Is it 1952 again?

I would hope we could have a president who looked at facts and didn't try to hammer reality into some academic's imagined wankery.

MATT J. H. said...

The New Yorker cover is offensive. It may be satirical but it is absolutely offensive.

I liken it to McCain "Squealing" like a dog as his captors interrogate him. Is there nothing off limits in the name of a buck.

thisniss said...

Ben, I have to respectfully disagree. Or at least to say that the image also draws on the history of racial caricature from Jim Crow/minstrelsy traditions. While the "Angela Davis" reference may indeed be there in the hair, there's no way that anyone familiar with stereotyped images of African Americans can look at what the cartoonist did with Michelle's lips and not see the overt reference to standard racist depictions of "blackness." I've looked at lots of Jim Crow era images, and a good number of Angela Davis pics (photographic and iconic), and the lips aren't Davis. More to the point, far fewer readers are going to pick up on an "Angela Davis reference" than, say, a "blacksploitation type" - which means a different history of iconography is in play.

So, to expand on a running theme here, if the satirical reference requires googling, it's probably missing its mark. I agree with Dale Petrie that the best satire generates the most visceral reactions (for good and bad). This cover has obviously generated a lot of conversation, so it has clearly hit on something important. My point was that while it might "work" as a critique of the "myths about Barack," it seems mostly to reinforce the "myths about Michelle."

hosertohoosier said...

Is it offensive?

First off the people that read the New Yorker are not likely to misinterpret this cartoon. It is only the Obama campaign's response that has made it national news which exposes ill-informed yokels to the image.

Secondly, I am not sure COMPLAINING ABOUT A CARTOON is the best way to convince people you are not a secret muslim (which Obama is obviously not, so please don't flame me).

Thirdly, it is not as if the New Yorker has never portrayed other politicians in an unflattering light. If anything is offensive, this is far worse, because it is not really intended satirically, nor does it portray Bush realistically.
http://amrep.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/bush_nero_web.jpg

Finally, when the hell has the news-media been supposed to care about whether politicians will be offended by their portrayal. George Bush was portrayed as brain-dead, a monkey, and (more in the foreign press) some kind of demon. Clinton was portrayed as a nymphomaniac. Offending politicians is probably ancillary to, you know, criticizing them which is the job of the media - whether they have a magic feeling up their legs or not.

calvinhobbes said...

"How can the race be tied nationally and Obama hold an 8 point lead in Michigan"

Well, Kerry won the state by 3.42% despite losing by 2.4% nationally, so it was 5.8% bluer than the country as a whole; it's very plausible.

Also, the net population loss this past year, along with other demographic changes since '04 that resulted in very slow growth until then, probably made the state bluer.

MATT J. H. said...

It is ridiculously absurd to assert that the Obama campaign was wrong to object to this cover. Once this magazine went into print everyone at the New Yorker knew the stir this would cause.

This is like crack for the MSM. Paint the first African American presidential candidate as an Osama Bib Laden loving, american hating muslim radical. His wife as a 1960's Tribal rebel, and then say, its just satire! Whats the big deal?

Give me a break. This thing will be reported on in 50 countries this evening, and the Obama campaign response had nothing to do with it.

Pete Kent said...

Obama outpolling his national numbers in MI is not surprising. Given the economic troubles there he should be doing well. By contrast he trails by 20 points in LA, explaining why the natioanl race can be close, even where state polls should wide leads for one candidate or another. It's all about vote dispersion.

The MI poll is a bit out of date, having been taken on 7/10 while McCain's surge in the polls was in full tilt. Still, it has to be disappointing for Republicans to see McCain faling to do better in the state. On my electoral map, MI remains critical to a McCain victory. He can do it without it. but then he will pretty much need to sweep the West, which again, the polls to be believed, appears to be an uphill battle at the moment.

Something to celebrate in the Obama camp today!

Pete Kent said...

Matt JH: You really dont know your media. The New Yorker is perhaps one of the most liberal publications in America, catering to the liberal intellgensia. They are hardly aprt of the MSN. You need at least a high school education to read it!

I think it is funny that all you "doth protest so much".

You are beign goaded into making this a story.

Often with gaffes the story of the story becomes the story.

I guess you feel slighted that you were not let in on the joke.

I am loving this!

Stephen C. Rose said...

Had this been meant as a satire on the perpetrarors of lies about Obama, as the New Yorker claims, the cover would have featured Sean Hannity and others. The notion that it is satire to portray the Obama's this is a mega-stretch. Satire is supposed to challenge folly, vice and stupidity. This is in point of fact an invidious caricature, invidious because its exaggerations are completely false and even slanderous.

Fr. Gawain said...

Smart comments, Nate. If anything, by making the caricature satire - ridiculous - he has the opportunity to remove it as a useful form of propaganda. I think the article's angle was very effective: one of the most important aspects of his work was going to Chicago.

Anonymous said...

Pete Kent Said:
"While his supporters may breathe a sigh of relief that it does not paint him as corrupt or radical, it does show that he as a man of naked political calculation and something of a user and a phony."

If you're using those criteria to eliminate a Presidental candidate, I suggest you just blew it for McCain. He is much more of a calculated and naked user and phony than Obama now that he's sold his soul to Bush/Cheney. You could ask McCain's first wife about McCain being a user, but he has her safely paid off at Cindy's beer business. And his platform changes so much, both he and his campaign can't figure out a coherent message every morning.

Sincerely,
Used to be an R

MATT J. H. said...

The Michigan numbers if credible at this early stage are terrible news for McCain. If McCain doesn't win Michigan, he's in electoral hell, cause he's not gonna win Pennsylvania.

A Michigan loss for McCain gives Obama 260. That means all the Kerry states minus NH where McCain might over perform but adding Iowa and NM.

Obama now only needs 9 more for a tie (Which will go to Obama). Obama can pick them up in Colorado, Ohio, Missourri, Florida or Virginia. Or numerous combinations of NH, NV, MT, ND, IN. Many of these states are leaning McCain right now, but Obama's path has many routes and McCain's is extremely narrow.

In summary, if McCain loses Michigan, I'd bet my entire life savings on Obama. Conversley if Obama loses Michigan, it becomes very difficult for Obama.

michael said...

A lot of good comments here, plus a couple of Neanderthal right wing anonymous posts.

On the cover: I tend to agree with Job that satire deflates an idea through skewering. The cover merely replicates what many on the regressive and racist right already believe and are busy promulgating. It is akin to drawing from the vilest anti-semitic stereotypes of the Nazi era and placing them all on the cover of your magazine. Yes, the New Yorker reader will (largely) get the joke. However, with drudge. fox and the rest of the rightwing hate machinery, this is going to be spread far past that "elitist' New Yorker reader. In this climate, with Obama's life literally in danger, this satire misses the point it is trying to make. Good news for the New Yorker, since it will boost their sales and Maureen Dowd now has yet another superficial topic to write on. Ultimately, it will contribute to the underlying subtext among the "low-information" voters that Obama is a muslim, flag-burning, Bin Laden loving terrorist. Not the intent of the artist, but there you are. The Swift analogy is misplaced, since Swift's audience was the elite and intelligentsia at a time when 90% of the populace was illiterate. A cartoon caricature is something anyone can take in, even in the far reaches of the Idaho militias. A poor poor judgment by the magazine.

As to Lizza, I have not read the article yet, but it is the latest in a series (Times, National Review) where the high-end press is now seizing on the theme of the hour: Namely that Obama is and always was a shrewd and calculating politician, with no idealism in him whatsoever. Anyone who looks at Obama's works and words will know that this is as ludicrous a caricature as the New Yorker cover, but the media love to deal in simplistic narratives. It is easier than nuance, and as Obama has learned again and again, by and large, the media do not do nuance. Analogies are always a dangerous exercise, but Obama seems more like RFK and Lincoln than any pol I have read of.

Capable of great insight and subtlety, able to connect on an astonishingly inspiring level through his rhetoric, a consensus-building idealist who has NO illusions about how politics works. It will be interesting to see if he can withstand this ferocious assault by the MSM (Stories have been largely negative since Texas and Ohio), a cynical gang still somewhat enthralled by McCain and driven by Drudge and Fox.

Anonymous said...

presidentraygun said:
I listen to Rush and Hannity on a regular basis to kinda get an idea what the right is saying, what their talking points are. And believe it or not, they haven't brought up these smears, there wasn't a legitimate way to, but now there is.

Limbaugh and Hannity are McCain surrogates. They've been smearing Obama for a long time.

The New Yorker's goal is to sell magazines and make money. Limbaugh's and Hannity's goal is to get listeners and make money. Obama's goal is to get donations and be President. All three parts of this particular triumverate will be served well by this.

MATT J. H. said...

I read the article and thought it was pretty good for Obama. It doesn't proclaim he's a ruthless politician who'd do anything to win. But it says he picks his spots and goes for it aggressively.

It states he's ambitious which is obvious. He's been in the US senate for one term and running for president? Thats ambitious.

It does discard the notion that he's the messiah who's come to fix Washington. That ain't going to happen, but realists know it was never gonna. He's an exceptionally smart, ambitious politician with god given political skills that impressed people so much that even in the middle 90's often peoples first impression was that this guy could be POTUS.

Michael said...

Canceled my subscription. I used to appreciate the wittiness of the New Yorker covers, but lately they've been heavy-handed and, well, stupid. Like this one.

What's more, the insides are nor particularly enlightening these days, either.

I think the mass media are starting to get scared that Obama might actually win.

Pete Kent said...

Michael said: "I have not read the article yet, but it is the latest in a series (Times, National Review) where the high-end press is now seizing on the theme of the hour: Namely that Obama is and always was a shrewd and calculating politician, with no idealism in him whatsoever. Anyone who looks at Obama's works and words will know that this is as ludicrous a caricature as the New Yorker cover, but the media love to deal in simplistic narratives."

I am not sure what "works and words" you are referring to, but everything I have seen from this man suggests that all of it has been crafted to advance one thing: his personal ambition.

Again, this would not be so damaging to Obama if he had not tried to present himself as something new and different. It is and should be disallusioning that he is as crafty and as calculating as any other Chicago pol. Worse he is an inexperienced one, and is, therefore, more likely to stumble along the way.

The tortoise versus the hare!

BTW Drudge has been in the tank for Obama since the race began -- where have you been?

MATT J. H. said...

If any publicity is good publicity then the New Yorker hit a home run. They may see a lot of canceled subscriptions though in protest from Obama supporters which is this magazines chief demographic, upscale liberals.

Sandy in Chicago said...

Wow. Great article and a great write-up, Nate. This article should be required reading for anyone interested in Chicago politics.

I think that this article might portray the most awesome Obama we've seen yet. This is a guy who understands what he wants and how to get it. That's great because he at this time seems to understand what the American people want (a responsible end to the war in Iraq, non-intrusive universal health-care, a balance BLEEPING budget, etc.), and stories like this can only help lend credence to the fact that this guy knows how to work the levers and deliver.

Our first GTD president. I like.

Thanks, Nate,
Sandy in Chicago

michael said...

"Pete Kent said...


I am not sure what "works and words" you are referring to, but everything I have seen from this man suggests that all of it has been crafted to advance one thing: his personal ambition."

well, I would start with his book, audacity of hope, perhaps the most honest book by a politician I have read(not to mention exceptionally well-written). Compare it to the self-serving tomes of the Clintons or Carter's earnest as oatmeal autobio. You see it as calculating and crafted to further his ambition. I see a rather nakedly honest self-appraisal. As to his works, from law review to community organizer to state senator to u.s. senator, I see his actions as being those of someone trying to better the condition of his fellow citizens, but firmly within the constraints of the conventional political structures. He is no revolutionary, he is an incrementalist who believes in effecting change through consensus, but does believe things need to be changed.

Lastly, I am making a leap, but assuming you are not moved by his speeches. If so, your responses to his speeches reminds me of musicians who just don't like Coltrane, who most of us (I am a professional player) view as incandescently moving and inspiring. I see Obama's speeches, at their best, as ennobling, inspiring and uplifting calls to action, not calculating. To me, he is the most gifted and inspiring speaker since the Kennedys and MLK> Clearly I am not alone in that view. You don't hear his music. Guess that's what makes horse races (and elections).

Pete Kent said...

Michael, I have not and will not read his book. I'd much rather read Mike Piazza's autobiography if he ever writes one. Now, there is an American success story.

Obama when he speaks to alrge crowds reminds me of no one so much as Hitler. Liberals are the new Fascists. They want to take over our lives. It starts with making us adjust our thermostats and then it never ends . . .

michael said...

Pete Kent said...

Michael, I have not and will not read his book. I'd much rather read Mike Piazza's autobiography if he ever writes one. Now, there is an American success story.

Obama when he speaks to alrge crowds reminds me of no one so much as Hitler. Liberals are the new Fascists. They want to take over our lives. It starts with making us adjust our thermostats and then it never ends . . .

Peter,

If you don't read his words it makes it far less credible when you sweepingly condemn him.

Your comparing Obama to Hitler in anyway is about as apt as Bush comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain. Such extreme rhetoric as using the Hitler card is the nuclear option of comment hyperbole. In the case of a biracial man who reaches out to many marginalized groups, the comparison could not be less accurate or more offensive.

It cheapens the good points you make (and you do make some when you cool the outrageous insults) and does nothing to make someone take your arguments seriously. As for Piazza, didn't know he could write.

Stephen C. Rose said...
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Stephen C. Rose said...

Folks, you are being made prey to a skilled provocateur. Threads become hijacked, but never without something to keep one tenuously "hooked". To me it is simply not worth the time. We all get a life one way or another. Best, S

Anonymous said...

The Obama campaign really dropped the ball on this one.

They ended up looking like whiners. And it fired up his paranoid supporters that think the whole world is out to get them.

I am voting for Obama but some of the deification by his supporters is absurd.

I'd really love to see Michelle just laugh it off or make a joke about her hair in the cartoon.

It's getting ludicrous listening to the sanctimony of some other Obama supporters.

John Peterson said...

Very well said. The only thing I disagree with is the phrase "empirically-driven." I disagree.

pechmerle said...

I used to be a New Yorker subscriber. Then Tina Brown came along. Starting then, and continuing ever since, the magazine has thought that its humor needed to become more cutting edge. It thought the majority of its cartoons were too "genteel" (this in the mag that brought Charles Addams and William Steig to our attention). To make the cartoons, and increasingly the covers, more 'cutting edge' they made them more sour on just about everything. (Particularly marriage, if you've been following the cartoons. There is no longer any such thing as a happy marriage in a New Yorker cartoon, or even one that is affectionately rather than hostilely skewered.) This cover is just part of that broader trend -- a trend that has made the magazine less witty, less funny at all.
This cover: freedom of speech on display, yes; intelligence and wit, no. I defend their right to put this out, and my right to condemn them for it.

John Peterson said...

I agree with with commenters who say that if the good people at New Yorker want Obama to be president, and they aren't ashamed to admit it, and Obama would be a fantastic president and the oceans would stop rising and all that, they shouldn't have used this cover. They are hurting their man in order to sell magazines, which is wrong.

On the other hand, I agree with the commenters who say that it is the business of magazines to sell their product, not pander to politicians. Choosing to use this cover may be a little misguided, but it also shows the magazine in a better light. They are actually willing to make fun of Obama, even if its ostensible purpose was to paint a caricature of right-swing smear jobs, or whatever they said. (More like Hilary smears, in my opinion). Whatever their purpose, most people, right and left, will find this hilarious, even if for totally different reasons. That's just great work on their part.

Anonymous said...

You said

Ambition is what drives the Lincolns, the Obamas and the McCAins.


While I agree ambition drives the Obamas... I say you are dead wrong by including the Lincolns and the McCains in that statement, They both ran for President for one single reason, Love of Country!

Obabma wants to change the best Country in the World into a Socialist country!

pechmerle said...

@Anonymous at 11:43: Could you be a little more hysterical? Then we could laugh even harder.

Michael said...

John Peterson said:

"The only thing I disagree with is the phrase `empirically-driven.' I disagree."

John, I'm interested in your thoughts. Why do you disagree with that?

By the way, THIS Michael has posted before, but has NOT posted in this thread. There are too many Michaels here, and it's undoubtedly confusing.

Circulation said...

This will be the top selling issue of The New Yorker ever.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:05 said...

"'ambition without ideology is bankrupt'

Really? Is it 1952 again?

I would hope we could have a president who looked at facts and didn't try to hammer reality into some academic's imagined wankery."


i'm glad thomas jefferson, john adams, ben franklin, and george washington all disagreed with you. ambition only has virtue if it is for something larger than yourself, which requires an ideology. otherwise it is only for self-aggrandizement. it is just a drive to be king of the hill.

ideologies get a bad rap, but belief in the bill of rights is an ideology, belief in democracy is an ideology, belief in equality is an ideology. capitalism is an ideology too, as is believing in terrorist boogey-men, who hate you for your freedoms.

what you describe is not about ideology but methodology. i agree that no one but a fool weds himself to a single methodology...but i also believe only a fool would extol the virtues of naked ambition, especially in someone you were thinking of granting the power of life and death over you. maybe you should take a break from ayn rand?

jqb said...

This cover is not an attempt to be "hip" or "cool," it is a direct critique of the various right-wing whispering campaigns about Obama.

You apparently have no idea what the word "critique" means. You can't provide an intellectually honest rebuttal to my points.

Anonymous said...

Here's the other important thing to understand about the cover. It's certainly provocative. But it's not scary. On the contrary, it takes a scary idea, and makes it nonscary -- literally cartoonish."

Ninety percent of Americans who see that cover will think it says "Obama is a terrorist." No wink-wink, no nudge-nudge.

Take it from me: America at large does not understand or appreciate sarcasm. That illustration hurts Obama, no matter what any out-of-touch fool in New York thinks.

Peterbilt said...

I yawn at the New Yorker cover. It's what the word faux-troversy was made for. And I didn't read anything in this synopsis I thought was unflattering to Obama. On the contrary, it confirms things I already knew, and makes me like him more.

The people who are trying to say his weakness is that he's young & naive? Are you even paying attention? Are you watching?

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