As you've probably recognized, it is very difficult to do objective analysis of the Vice Presidential derby contenders. But let's try one little thing out.
Essentially all of the principal players in the Democratic Veepstakes -- and many of the Republicans -- are sitting Senators or Governors. While national approval ratings for these candidates are utterly useless at this stage of the cycle -- few voters have any opinion of them outside their home states -- local approval ratings might give us some hint about how these candidates are likely to wear over time.
So what I did was as follows. Firstly, I took the average of all approve/disapprove and favorable/unfavorable polls I could find on these candidates in 2008. Only the most recent survey from any given polling firm was used. Where no polls were available in 2008, I used the most recent one I could find.
Then, I compared this approval average to the partisan ID advantage (or disadvantage) of that candidate's party in 2004 exit polling. Subtracting the approval average from the partisan ID index gives us what I call the candidate's power rating. Essentially, this is the extent to which the candidate is able to defy gravity and run ahead of the political demographics of their state.
Firstly, let's look at the Democrats. We'll take all candidates on the media-reported short list -- excluding Sam Nunn, who has been out of office too long -- and throw in Bill Richardson and Brian Schweitzer. And no, we haven't seen those guys on anybody else's short lists, but we have heard rumors that Obama met with Schweitzer earlier this month.
Three of the Democrats have exceptionally impressive numbers: Kathleen Sebelius, Evan Bayh, and Brian Schweitzer. All of these candidates are not just surviving in red states, but thriving, with substantially positive approval scores. Sebelius' number is especially impressive as she has the most progressive governance record of the three, but in any event, these candidates have proven track records of appealing to voters across the aisle.
Jack Reed and Joe Biden are holding up just fine. Tim Kaine's and Chris Dodd's performances are a little more marginal. Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton aren't really doing any better than you'd expect from a Democrat in their states, but sometimes running for President can harm a candidate's local numbers in the near term.
Now, let's look at a selection of Republicans -- including Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, who are no longer in office, but who retired recently enough that we can still track down their SurveyUSA results.
By this metric, Sarah Palin should be the runaway favorite -- the +70 approval ratings she managed in a couple of polls in May is almost literally unheard of. But her standing has tarnished a bit after her recent mini-scandal; she now polls at "only" a +36. Do I think that Palin would be a good choice for John McCain? I happen not to, because I think the age and experience gap would be exceptionally awkward. But she certainly is a very bright prospect.
The rest of the Republicans are pretty closely bunched together, with the exception of Mitt Romney -- who left office with a -20 approval rating -- and Joe Lieberman, who would be an awfully risky selection by McCain.
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
VP Contenders by the Numbers
-- Nate Silver at 12:04 AM
Labels: lieberman, romney, vice president
68 comments
Figures Lieberman has the lowest approval rating. What a schmuck. I hope McCain picks him. He's the only one who couldn't draw democrats or republicans to the ticket.
Nate,
So far, this represents the best metric I've seen for rating potential VP prospects.
I should admit that I am expecting McCain to pick Huckabee, and I'm one of the nutjobs jonesing for Obama to pick Schweitzer. So the fact that this metric rates my picks on both sides so highly has absolutely nothing to do with my praise for this metric. <grin>
it's amazing to have raw numbers here, and what a great metric for rating potential VP picks! what you have here is infinitely more valuable than all of the collected wisdom of the pundits of cable television.
I like Schweitzer too, thanks for including him. Sebelius seems like a good choice, but I wonder how much her inclusion is just a byproduct of the primary contest. Obama has put up a dozen smoke screens, so it is hard to see what he is actually thinking in terms of VP selection. I eagerly await his selection, which I imagine is already determined, so we can move on with this race. I wouldn't be surprised if it is someone like Schweitzer who has remained unnamed by the Obama team.
As for McCain - he is insane not to pick Huckabee. It is his one and only hope of really bringing out the evangelical vote (that same vote that made Bush as competitive as he was). And while some people claim he is gaffe-prone, he is actually fantastic with interviews, speeches, and pretty much any other public forum you throw at him.
Small typo: ". . . objective analysis the Vice Presidential contenders."
Should be analysis OF the Vice Presidential contenders.
Very interesting analysis.
As for Palin, those interested may want to see a recent post by Kos that examines the changing dynamics with the Alaska senate race vis-as-vis Palin's potential future trajectory.
nice, this just confirms what i've been thinking about VPs. I like the charts!
This supports my belief that Obama should pick Bayh as his VP. It might provide the boost he needs in Indiana to possibly turn it blue. Not to mention I feel Bayh has much more experience and accomplishments compared to Kaine.
The problem with Huckabee is that if McCain picks him, the neocons will go nuts. They already don't like and don't trust McCain, and they flat-out hate Huckabee (they've called him a "pro-life liberal.") If McCain picks Huck, he'll have major problems with the neocons, and he can't afford that.
When SurveyUSA was conducting their polls with potential VPs, the Obama/Sebelius ticket didn't flip Kansas. I don't remember if Obama/Kaine was polled for Virginia or Obama/Richardson for NM.
I don't think the VP will flip a home state unless the race is already polling close, as it is in Montana.
I've heard that Hagel actually had a higher approval rating with Dems than Republicans in NE-does anyone know for sure?
unertl- Of course she didn't flip KS- it's one of the reddest states there is-the point is that she thrives in a state where a standard dem should not-and thus might help attract independent and even some republican voters.
Although- if there was truly a sense that Kaine puts Obama over the edge in VA then of course that trumps anything else.
Burt, not just the neocons in general but specifically the "Club for Growth" crowd who consider Huck to be a big spender and who place reduction in taxes as their topmost priority.
That crowd is mainly responsible for yoking McCain to a pledge to support the renewal of the Bush tax cuts (for the rich), which I think eventually Obama is going to hammer McCain. I think the Club for Growth folks were nearly apoplectic already in response to McCain's "slip" the other day in saying that maybe social security taxes had to be increased.
unertl: I think Sebelius on the ticket wouldn't flip KS no matter what but given her background it could (I have read somewhere) make a difference in Ohio.
Juris:
I don't believe in the "multiple home state". No one in Ohio will care that Sebelius' dad was a one-term governor in the 60s. Maybe her personality, having been born in Ohio and now obviously living in Kansas, might make her palatable to voters in certain regions but in the end people vote for the President and not the Vice President.
From her wikipedia page- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius
Sebelius is the daughter of former Ohio governor John J. Gilligan, and thus they became the first father/daughter governor pair in the United States after her election. Her husband K. Gary Sebelius is a federal magistrate judge and the son of former U.S. Representative Keith Sebelius, a Republican.
Keith Sebelius won Bob Dole's house seat after he left for the Senate.
burt said "The problem with Huckabee is that if McCain picks him, the neocons will go nuts."
burt, the neocons already have McCain's ear on foreign policy, so that his foreign policy would be indistinguishable from W's.
Do you mean the anti-tax crowd (Cato Institute, Club for Growth, Grover Norquist) hates Huckabee? I could see where that crowd would hate him, since he (gasp!) raised taxes while governor of Arkansas.
If you Wikipedia Sebelius, she is a no-brainer. Obama would be nuts not to pick her.
She does everything. Hillary gets to be Secretary of State or whatever it is she wants (Supreme Court Justice), her camp (sic) gets a woman. And just read the Wikipedia article about Sebelius. It's unbelievable.
She's Palin with a brain and without the Playboy Bunny persona.
I looked up the SurveyUSA poll on Hagel and he was ten points higher among Dems than Republican, plus he won the 2002 race 82.76% to 14.64% for the Democratic candidate.
But I agree with John- Sebelius to me would be the best