Tuesday, July 29, 2008

Tom and Huckabee

With the Tim Kaine buzz having reached a fever pitch today, it might be worth sharing a couple of additional thoughts on the Virgina Governor. Chris Cillizza's arguments for and against Kaine are a must-read, and lay out most of the checkmark arguments on his candidacy. Works well with Obama? Check. Speaks fluent Spanish? Check. But inexperienced on the national stage? Also a check. Not a particularly distinguished track record as governor? Check.

I think, however, that both Kaine's greatest asset and his greatest liability may have been missed. The liability, as I have argued before, is that he may not be of much help to Obama in Virginia. After Virginia's General Assembly session ended badly earlier this summer, Kaine's favorability numbers took a hit, and are now no better than 50:50. Alternatively, one can read the comments from some of the Virginians in our earlier thread, most of whom are quite skeptical of Kaine. Kaine does not have any one signature, standout accomplishment as governor, and the standoff in the General Assembly cost him a lot of credibility. The home state VP bounce is small enough to begin with that for a candidate who has trouble hitting 50 percent favorability in his home state, it may be non-existent. And in terms of wooing McCain voters over to the Democratic side, he may be particularly unhelpful, as just 23 percent of McCain voters in Rasmussen's July survey had a favorable opinion of him.

On the other hand, the Obama campaign is smart enough to know that a VP's ability to carry his home state is a relatively minor factor in the grand scheme of things. The more important question is what sort of brand space he would come to occupy once introduced to the nation at large (to whom Kaine is a literal unknown). On that front, the news is a little better for Kaine and Obama.

I spent about 20 minutes watching different videos of Tim Kaine and here was the impression I was left with: Kaine comes across as very warm. Empathetic. Normal guy. Not polician-y. Can be fiery at times, and sometimes a little flatter, but neither a technocrat nor a screaming populist.

He's not a rock star. He's an average-looking guy, which is to say, for a politician, he has below-average looks. An Obama-Kaine ticket would NOT be this:



Instead, it would be more like this:



That's Huckabee -- not Huck Finn. Kaine does not have Huckabee's corny sense of humor, but he does have much of his sense of humility. He will eventually poll well with older voters, and probably with women.

The trade-off is that Kaine, especially when coupled with his relatively undistinguished record in public office, will not come across as especially presidential. Voters looking for an experienced hand to guide Barack Obama will not really be getting it.

But, I would argue, the experience issue is not really one of the greater threats to Barack Obama at the moment -- in fact, the McCain campaign has completely deemphasized it. A greater problem is that Obama can come across as aloof and arrogant -- or messianic, in the right's favorite phrasing. As Jay Cost ably argues, this has the potential to detract significantly from Obama's core narrative. Kaine would bring humility and good humor to the ticket, and would go some way toward hedging that risk. He would not be a VP designed to win over converts, so much as to shore up some of Obama's weak and wavering support.

198 comments

Mark said...

Hmm...definitely an interesting breakdown. I'm not sure that Obama is completely out of the woods yet on the "inexperienced" argument. If his VP pick can somehow provide that guiding hand of experience and yet come across as benevolently populist and down-to-Earth, that'd be ideal for him. And I don't much care for Evan Bayh's politics at all, but he does seem to fit the bill there (though if he gets elected, the Dems will lose a Senate seat, which is a major case against him right there). I'm hoping it's either Kaine or Sebelius, or even Richardson. (Although my impossible wish is that Hagel is VP.)

Dvd Avins said...

Yes, warm is what Obama needs in a VP candidate. That's why the Bill Bradley rumors that pop up occasionally seem so wrong to me, despite Bradley being otherwise a very good choice.

sugerfunk said...

I agree on the "warm" assessment, which is one of the reasons why I've been pushing Sebellius for ages. She has that empathetic yet practical streak that Nate has been talking about. I just don't see the fallout amongst Hillary Clinton supporters -- after all, she will help put more dents in that infamous glass ceiling if the ticket is elected, and very few Hillary supporters expect to see Clinton on the ticket at this point.

Kathleen Sebellius is qualified and her outside-of-Washington record is consistent with his change message. Plus she has executive experience in a red state, and I think she has a Midwestern sensibility that will appeal to pragmatic voters in Ohio and Michigan, even though her home state of Kansas will not be in play. She may even help in the Dakotas or Montana.

And she is a solid progressive, which will help shore up some of the disaffected left-wing who are frustrated with Obama's slight movement towards the center. But even as such, she is very hard to paint as an ultra-liberal because of the sensible nature she espouses, and this innoculates her from Republican attacks to a certain extent.

TJB said...

This decision will be the first major decision that the voting public will have witnessed Democrat nominee Barrack Obama make.

If he chooses a relatively unknown candidate such as Governor Kaine of Virginia, he will be asking the American people to put their trust into two candidates, Obama and Kaine, that they, the American people have had very little time to observe.

I believe the choice will be Biden of Delaware. He may not excite the base as much, but the voting public knows who he is.

Brian Dell said...

I don't see why anyone should much care if Obama comes across as arrogant. People want competence. Bush is the epitome of folksy back-slapping and people of had enough of it. They want some gravity and that means the VP should be someone with a resume, a resume thicker than Obama's if at all possible. Wes Clark would win votes and would be a bold pick.

C.S.Strowbridge said...

"I don't see why anyone should much care if Obama comes across as arrogant."

The Democrats need to find someone who can make the argument that calling Obama arrogant or elitist is the same as calling him uppity.

That would kill that line of attack, and fast.

obsessed said...

How would you rate Schweitzer on the warm and fuzzy scale?

Lupercal said...

sugerfunk said:"Kathleen Sebellius is qualified and her outside-of-Washington record is consistent with his change message. Plus she has executive experience in a red state, and I think she has a Midwestern sensibility that will appeal to pragmatic voters in Ohio and Michigan, even though her home state of Kansas will not be in play. She may even help in the Dakotas or Montana."

thank you. i've grown a little frustrated that no one was mentioning her. I mean, with tim kaine, it's just because he endorsed obama early and whole-heartedly, and because virginia would be in play. speaks spanish, and can at times be quite fiery, like the speech he gave endorsing obama, in spanish.

but there's something about kathleen that says COMPETENCE. you know, she is the most compatible with obama, she's extremely photogenic (their personal chemistry even surpasses that of those at the Unity event obama had with clinton in new hampshire.), and she's learned how govern with obama's philosophy. I mean, i'm really hyped up about her, and i think that if she were his vice president, i'd always go to bed with a clear sense of confidence that things would get fixed. bipartisanship without ceding your values. (evan bayh kinda comes across as a bit phony. sorry if i offend anyone. so, if he's picked, that'll be great, but i won't be as sure about obama winning. i mean, remember why the charges about edwards and the 400 bucks haircut stuck.) so, even if we're the last ones mentioning her, i just wanted to thank you for making my day. it'll be much more easier to go through.

ultimately, i think that kaine did himself no good by letting his staff, or "friends" leak out these rumors. it makes geeks and journos really happy, but i'm sure somewhere someone's scratching their heads at the obama headquarters wondering what happened, whether if he were to be chosen this would ever happen again and whether "friends" would sabotage their messages, whether "some" folks are too ambitious, and all sorts of questions. that sobers me up a bit. i mean, i'm a real fan of the man, but i'm just really disappointed that by having obama indicate he wants someone with integrity, whom he's compatible with, and who's got an area of expertise, who's gonna roll up their sleeves and get to work, and with barack's monumental confidence on foreign policy (which means he's a bit worried a biden, quite attractive, would try to superimpose his own vision on foreign policy), im surprised that somehow we arrived at kaine. he's no economic expert. sebelius is. bayh is. they've got the record. and he's really into sebelius. if done right, he can make sure that sebelius doesn't antagonize hillary supporters. anyhow, way too long. but i had a lot on my stomach.

Lupercal said...

brian shweitzer is quite warm and fuzzy. and he's definitely neutralize the energy issue, as he's a whiz on the subject (check out his interview with charlie rose on youtube.)

but i've cooled down a bit since i learned that he's said that he was considering voting for romney. that either indicates someone who's too obsessed with proving their independence from democrats, and as such, if romney was chosen, how would he attack if he's such an admirer. and that tells me that maybe he's not too concerned with building up the party, if in a PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY, you leave all the exciting figures in your own party (and there were no lameducks as with the repubs, except gravel and kucinich), to support the phony flipflopper that you have never known, have no personal relationship with, and also, im concerned that maybe he doesn't have the right diplomatic skills, and might provoke some gaffes. but he's highly fluent in energy issues, and extremely persuasive on the subject (i'd dare anyone to watch him discuss the issue for 20 minutes and not be sold out), but i'm definitely resolute about not allowing another joe lieberman, or another john edwards more worried about keeping their names intact, and heaping praise on the opposition because they potentially might wanna run in the future.

obsessed said...

errrrrr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqz9unCxJgM

Kaine is sorting writing the spanish phrases in his head and reading them - it's basically correct but he's far from fluent. If you had someone who could speak smooth mexican-dialect spanish, that might have a very weighty effect on the turnout in NM, TX, CO, NV. (Forget about Florida - that's a whole mess of different spanish and politics!!)

I'm torn - you guys have gotten me very curious about both Sebelius and Schweitzer, and the idea of a spanish-speaking veep is a sudden revelation. Of course, it would also rile up the anti-immigrant vote. But in ANY case, I don't think Kaine is fluent enough to really connect with southwestern hispanics on a gut level.

Can Richardson speak fluent spanish? What happened to him anyway? No one even mentions him. Did he get Spitzered or something?

He's starting to look a lot better if we don't care about dynamism:

-foreign policy
-governor
-important swing state influence (assuming he carries weight in CO)
-spanish?

I never found him dynamic but I'm starting to be convinced that this is necessary. Of course he's not all that fuzzy either.

Jeffrey said...

I've been waiting for a post that talks about the Republicans "messiah" attack. I find it to be a very interesting attack. For one thing, the word itself strikes me as blasphemous. Even if you think that Obama is arrogant, he has never compared himself to god. I'm not a particularly religious person, but if I was, I would be offended.

The other strange thing about it is that all politicians are arrogant. McCain doesn't come across as a particularly humble person.

Perhaps this will work. Its yet one more tact in the Republicans attempt to paint him as anything negative. Personally, I think the "inexperienced" attack was a better one and has significantly less chance of backfiring on them, but that is just me.

On Kaine:

I don't see anything he has that Bayh doesn't have more of. I guess Kaine would be OK. Bayh appears to me to be both a safer pick and a pick with a greater upside. Bayh has repeatedly won the same working class white voters that vote Republican in Indiana presidential elections. Whatever it is about him they like, I think similar voters in OH, PA and MI will see it as well. Kaine doesn't help anywhere other than VA and apparently doesn't help that much there.

One last thing...

Obama has been very strict about no leaks on the VP thing. I suspect these rumors on coming from the Kaine camp, not the Obama camp. Same with the Kaine video. I don't think Obama likes the public campaigning for VP.