Thursday, July 31, 2008

Today's Polls (PM Edition), 7/31

This is everything from today, including the Quinnipiac numbers that we discussed earlier:



This is generally a pretty good set of polling for Barack Obama. Abstract these numbers for a moment. If you had told a Democrat a year ago that, on the last day of July, their candidate would be ahead in Ohio and Florida, well ahead in Pennsylvania , way ahead in California, tied in Montana, within single digits in a couple of states that went really red in 2000 and 2004, they'd be pretty thrilled with that set of polling.

Generally speaking, the national polls in this cycle have been somewhat more favorable to Barack Obama than the state polling. Our projected popular vote margin, which is based on principally on state rather than national polling, has usually run a point or two behind the national polling averages at RCP or Pollster.com.

That pattern has somewhat reversed itself now. Our model likes these state polls for Obama, even as the national trackers have shown his lead shrinking to 2 points and 1, respectively.

The most interesting result today might be from Kentucky, where Rasmussen has Obama within 9 points once leaners are counted. Obama had trailed by 16 points in Rasmussen's June poll of Kentucky, and 25 points in May. There is no longer a big education/income gap in this election -- Obama has gained ground with lower-income, lower-education voters. That doesn't mean that he's going to win Kentucky. But something like West Virginia, where the candidates are already advertising since its markets overlap with Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, deserves monitoring.

The other interesting result may is Montana, where Rasmussen now shows the race tied after having shown Obama with a 5-point lead four weeks ago. The underlying demographics of the state still probably point to a McCain victory by a few points, but so long as Obama is engaging the state and McCain is not, it has to continue to rate as a toss-up.

65 comments

VermontDem said...

Can you give a post with the projected state votes compared to the 2004 election. It's be interesting to see how much better (or worse) Obama is running according to polls than how Kerry actually performed in 2004.

Sean Fitzpatrick said...

Texas is surprisingly close. If Obama gets Latino turnout up, he might just have a chance there, or at least push a few Texas Dems over the top.

AnotherMike said...

Even though he's down in MT from last month, I'm mildly encouraged by this poll result. One poll could be a fluke, two . . . not likely. Obama can win Montana. I just love the fact that he has so many different vaible routes to victory still open.

Mark said...

Seconded, vermontdem. That's a great idea.

West Virginia will be a state to watch. I think it's a sleeper battleground; it's going to be in play for sure if Obama picks Hillary Clinton (God forbid) or one of her former surrogates as his running mate.

Matthew H said...

Unfortunately, 538 isn't showing me the individual states, but it appears to me that every single one of these is down from the previous survey. Not so?

AnotherMike said...

Sean, of course I just see a tiny part of Texas, but in my strongly Republican congressional district (TX-12), I see Obama signs and stickers on occasion. I don't recall ever seeing a McCain sign or bumper sticker. Texas is still a long shot and if Obama were to win, it would be a landslide, but as you note, he will not be a drag on down ballot races like Kerry and Gore were.

Daniel said...

I'd like to see a poll out of Indiana soon. Either it's reddened up considerably or it's still a battleground state, as Nate's regression states. The latter scenario is deadly for McCain because he's got WAY too much turf to defend.

GayIthacan said...

Matthew:

Actually, Obama's lead in CA has increased - as has his lead in a couple of national polls released earlier this week.

Also, if you research Pollster.com and look at just the BATTLEGROUND STATES, Obama is increasing his lead or gaining on McCain in SEVEN of them - and losing ground in only 3 (2 of which were RED to begin with).

AnotherMike said...

matthew h, down in most, but not all. Difference in margin from previous poll by same pollster:

CA -2
FL -2
ID no prior poll
KY +7
MT -5
OH -4
PA -5
TX +1

dwbh said...

There's a second poll out for Kentucky today, by Research 2000/Daily Kos:

McCain 56
Obama 35

link

Peter B Fitzgerald said...

Matthew H.,

Please also see Nate's earlier post today, where he discusses poll movements in these states across the past 4 months.

Juris said...

TYPO: ". . . based on principally on state. . . ." Remove the first "on".

James said...

When are you people going to learn? I guarantee for the rest of the election you'll see WAY more Obama merchandise. Get used to it. In 2004, we all saw WAY more Kerry merchandise than Bush. As Jack Black would say, see Inaguaration Day, January 2005. Democrats are almost always more vocal about their support than Republicans.

ursula said...

Yeah, the state polls lag the national polls. DUH. Check out the dates of the state polls then look at the dates of the tracking polls showing the race is 1-2 points away from being tied.

Rob said...

Everyone will concentrate on the Rasmussen KY poll only, I suppose !

Alex S. said...

Well... the election still hasn´t really started. We have to wait for the democratic convenion until it gets "really" interesting.
The whole time before is laying the groundwork. If Obama manages to get a foot in the door to Kentucky and Texas it´s great. He still keeps losing a little support in his base states though. That might be the last aftermath of the Fisa/death penalty/campaing finance-cluster.
The Montana poll shows a regression to "expected" terrain, we had seen the same in Oregon which had been visited and won by Obama during the primaries and then seen a little loss of support. But if all these states like MN, ND, AK only need the presence of Obama to turn blue, that can´t be bad.

A +2 state poll might not be comfortable, but if you see it in several states, combined with a strong foundation in political groundwork, you can be quite happy.

Jon said...

Hey Nate,

A couple weeks ago you published a post called "if the election were held tomorrow" I believe. It had the chances of Obama victory at around 85%, but I can't remember exactly. Could you periodically run that simulation and post the results? Or would that be a bad idea?

Becky Sharp said...


CA -2
FL -2
ID no prior poll
KY +7
MT -5
OH -4
PA -5
TX +1

In fact every state in this batch has tightened. Red states are getting less red, blue states lee blue

ursula said...

In the chart, the win % for a few states (like KY and LA) adds up to 101%

AnotherMike said...

And just for fun, difference between Obama and McCain in today's polls compared to difference between Bush and Kerry in 2004 election:

CA Obama +5
FL Obama +7
ID Obama +22
KY Obama +11
MT Obama +20
OH Obama +4
PA Obama +4
TX Obama +15

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