Saturday, July 5, 2008

Today's Polls, 7/5

I've been moving at about half-speed for a number of reasons, but there are a couple of polls that have trickled in this weekend. In Rhode Island, Obama leads by 24 according to Rasmussen's first poll of the state. No surprise there. But in Georgia, InsiderAdvantage has John McCain ahead by only 2 points, 46-44, with 4 percent of the vote going to Bob Barr. This is consistent with an InsiderAdvantage poll released two weeks ago that had McCain ahead by 1. But it's inconsistent with other polling of the state, all of which has shown the state within a fairly narrow, 8-10 point range.

I can't scrutinize the internals on the InsiderAdvantage poll because they haven't provided them. Nor for that matter did Rasmussen (which showed McCain with a 10-point lead) break its results down by race. But here is a little bit of a hint -- Rasmussen had Obama trailing 65-32 among Georgians who attend church weekly, and since African-Americans are quite churchgoing in the South, that must mean that he's getting absolutely clobbered with the white persons in this category. There are probably fewer true swing voters in Georgia than in almost any other state, and while Obama has a floor on his numbers that is better than the Democrats have done recently, he probably also has a ceiling.

The Obama campaign's argument, of course, is that it doesn't need swing voters: it just needs to turn out the black vote. But it's not clear that there's a ton of room for improvement. In 2004, African-Americans made up 27.2 percent of Georgia's voting-age citizen population, versus 27.4 percent of its registered voters, and 27.6 percent of people who actually voted (all this data is taken from the US Census Bureau -- exit polling showed a slightly lower share of African-Americans voting in Georgia, about 25 percent).

Georgia is unusual for having not only a substantial black population, but also an especially well-educated and upwardly-mobile black population, and it is entirely plausible that African-Americans voters will turn out in greater proportion than their white counterparts. But I don't see Obama improving his standing with white evangelicals enough to win. Both foreign policy conservatives and fiscal conservatives can probably find enough to like about Obama to consider voting for him. But for religious conservatives, who are voting on a series of issues on which less nuance is possible, I'm not sure that's the case. Sure, you can be for publicly-financed faith-based initiatives and also for gay marriage remaining legal in California, but I don't think the two things cancel out in the same way that you can moderate your position on NAFTA or be hawkish on some elements of national security.

The 50-state Strategy, as well as the nation's changing demographics and the problems in Iraq and with the economy, are slowly beginning to neutralize these issues even in the Deep South, which is why Obama might lose Georgia by 6 or 8 or 10 points rather than John Kerry's 16. Even so, Southern religious conservatives remain the voters that Republicans are most used to reaching out to -- including McCain's chief strategist, who used to do work with the Jesse Helms campaign. Change is inevitable, but it's going to hit Virginia before it hits the Carolinas, and the Carolinas before it hits Georgia.

98 comments

Anonymous said...

Ok, so Obama does well in two polls...

Why did his electoral votes and win percentage go down?

-Mark

Jon said...

I saw an article on the obama website in the blog section that discussed how voter registration has been going through the roof (not in part by the 600,000 unregistered blacks). While the Obama campaign has registered over 30,000 young people in the past month. Is it possible that like the Iowa polls, that Georgia could present the same sort of surprise?

Nate said...

Mark @11:41:

I actually had the Georgia poll in the numbers yesterday (though I hadn't written it up). Also, I fiddled around a tiny bit more with the adjustment I implemented yesterday. But this is probably just random noise.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Nate but you are wrong on Dems winning in VA before NC and in NC before GA. I believe that Obama will win in VA and NC this year. Look at the cross tabs in the PPP polls for NC these past few months. Readjusting their obvious off-base African American numbers (not in terms of turnout, just margins between the candidates) and you see that Obama has been consistently ahead in the state.

Rod said...

I think Obama could win GA because of the help of Lib. Bob Barr. Bob Barr will siphon votes away from Obama and all Barr has to do is to get 5% of the vote+record african americans+ young voters. If he does, he wins the state.

Samuel Ramirez said...

It's amazing how dramatically the projection map has been shifting the last few months. The upper-midwest has gotten bluer- with IN going from dark red to a 50-50 white and at times light blue. VA has seen almost identical shifts to IN, with MO and NV going from light red to toss-up and back again seemingly in random fashion- with FL following suit except with a more Republican pull. But perhaps most intriguingly of all is how NC, MT, AL, and the Dakotas have slowly shifted towards being white (especially the latest MT shift).
Perhaps most disappointingly as an Obama supporter is the shift in the deep south. It has appeared that MT, ND, CO, NM, and NV have been the true area where Obama's crossover appeal has been (along with IN, VA, and NC) whereas the deep south and likely MO were just early hype that seemed plausible, and still may be- but that has up to now been disappointing.
However, when the state of the race is GA still being under 10% win with close polling at this stage that's a very good sign for Obama's chances this election.

Samuel Ramirez said...

AK not AL (that'll never happen-too many racist whites)

Anonymous said...

Sorry guys,

The Obama campaign has jumped the shark. Daily Kos is steaming on his dainly position changes. They thought he was a true believer. He is just power hungry, eager for the White House. I give him about two weeks before the polls sour on him. His liberal supporters will leave like rats on the Titanic.

Jason Mindow said...

Daily Kos has a main objective of having Democrats win- and yes not everyone has liked everything about Obama- but the so called issue you bring up of liberals leaving Obama is insanely stupid. McCain is the one with the base problem. Liberals understand McCain winning would be terrible and would vote for Obama despite a turn to the center. Some conservatives won't vote for McCain because he has become to centrist in their minds. This is also moronic since he has become Bush's biggest backer in his voting record- which in turn has hurt him among swing voters who hate bush. so swing and hardcore conservatives have an issue with McCain and may not vote or will go Barr- while almost all non PUMA liberals will go Obama because they know what a mistake it would be to let McCain win

Edmund in Tokyo said...

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was going to be a massive increase in African American turnout.

Is this the kind of thing that the pollsters would be picking up now (or at all)? Or do we have to make our own guesses and factor them in?

unertl said...

Pollsters have to factor it in since they weight the polls by many factors, one of which is race.

Christopher Lee Carlson said...

All the faith-based stuff in the world isn't going to help with Deep South white evangelicals. I know them, I am surrounded by them, I have been around them all my life, and they only care about four things:

1.) Abortion
2.) Abortion
3.) Abortion
4.) Gays

Now, we may can pull out some of the South because of the black and Millenial vote, but as far as winning over the evangelicals...not down here. It ain't gonna happen. Basically, we're just gonna have to wait for these people to die. We are NEVER going to win them over with ANY other issue. Period.

Ben said...

Nate,

Does your model factor in the propensity for third-party support to collapse? My sense is that candidates like Nader in 2000 or Barr this year poll much better than they end up doing. Especially if it's a close race, a lot of potential Barr voters will go into the voting booth and end up holding their noses and voting for what they perceive to be the lesser evil, which, especially in Georgia, will probably be McCain.

Naomi said...

Is it possible that the ad buys in Georgia by the Obama campaign are primarily intended to keep Mitt Romney off the Republican ticket?
The reason I say that is, if Georgia is seriously in play, Romney is a dangerous VP choice. Evangelicals would rather vote for just about anybody before they vote for a Mormon. Not only do most consider Mormonism a cult, but evangelical Christians and Mormons are in competition throughout the world for new members. A Mormon becoming Vice President would be an important boost to Mormon proselytization efforts, and evangelicals are not eager to see that happen.

I think Romney is McCain's best VP choice (particularly in regard to Michigan and Ohio), but that only works if his selection doesn't harm McCain with his Southern base. Moreover, it's hard to believe Obama really thinks that Georgia matters in terms of getting him elected. If Obama wins Georgia, he will almost certainly have won in VA, Ohio, Colorado, etc., and be well over 300 electoral votes. Georgia will never be part of a narrow EV victory coalition.

However, competitive races in Georgia and Florida could be enough to keep Romney off the GOP ticket. Whether that is behind Obama's current play for Georgia is hard to say, but it is as good as explanation as any for this focus on Georgia by the Obama campaign.

Naomi said...

I forgot to mention that Romney probably helps McCain in two more important states--Colorado and Nevada. Further reason for Obama to get creative in trying to keep Romney off the ballot.

Max said...

It is more than likely that John McCain will have the resources to fend off Obama by narrow-to-moderate margins in VA, NC and GA. I think it is very unlikely Obama will win in any of those states. I think they're trying to build infrastructure in those areas, while trying to run McCain out of cash to compete in other states, but I doubt it will flip any states blue this time around.

What the Obama campaign is banking on (speculatively) is a solid base foundation on winning PA, OH, and MI that will bring him most of the way up to the top. All of those states are necessary and he has the resources and demographics to take them by large margins. He will play hard in the west, where states like CO, NM and NV may flip democratic (CO especially is looking pretty solid for Obama). But once the negative campaigning is in full swing in the South, it is going to erase Obama's narrow margin.

I am curious if McCain will ever call Obama's bluff and buy ad time in GA. If he does then Obama's strategy of bleeding his opponent's funds will be proven very effective.

Edmund in Tokyo said...

Don't know anything about Georgia in particular, but I wonder if people here aren't underestimating the possibility of massive African Americ