Wednesday, July 2, 2008

Today's Polls, 7/2

So, I have a little bit more trouble getting worked up over polls in states like Massachusetts and Connecticut than I do in swingier parts of the country. But these are a very good set of numbers for Barack Obama, and I think they do tell us something.

There are two new polls out in Connecticut. Quinnipaic has Obama leading by 21 points, and Rasmussen has him ahead by 17. In the previous editions of those polls, Obama held leads of 17 and 3 points, respectively. The 3-pointer from Rasmussen might have been partially responsible for The McCain campaign's insistence that Connecticut was a toss-up, but it was the only poll conducted since the new year to have shown McCain within single digits of Obama in Connecticut.

Perhaps the more important news out of the state, however, is that Joe Liberman's approval ratings have fallen to 45 percent. A rating that low is relatively unprecedented for a Senator who was just re-elected 20 months ago and has not had a major scandal befall him. The piece of longer-term fallout from this is that we might now expect Liberman to try and make good with the Democrats if Barack Obama becomes President, figuring that he'll have four years to rehabilitate his reputation. Whether the Democrats would welcome him back is another question, but frankly I'd expect them to be so giddy if they won the Presidency that they might be in a generous mood. If John McCain becomes President, on the other hand, Lieberman had better hope that McCain has a 60 percent or better approval rating by the time they both come up for reelection in 2012.

In Massachusetts, Rasmussen has Barack Obama up by 20; that's up from 13 a month ago. And in New York, Rasmussen has his lead reaching 31 points -- it was a 19-point lead in late May.

So what's that little something these polls tell us? Whatever else the consequences of Obama's perceived shift to the center, it certainly hasn't cost him among the Democratic base.

48 comments

Anonymous said...

fyi wisconsin is on the tipping point state list twice. Also any chance we can get the must win states similarly

Nichlemn said...

"Whatever else the consequences of Obama's perceived shift to the center, it certainly hasn't cost him among the Democratic base."

How can you make that assumption just from those polls? Those states may have more strong Democrats than other states, but a fair amount of moderate to liberal Republicans too. Perhaps Obama's perceived shift to the centre has caused some defection in this group, while there might be a smaller cost to the base.

Oliver said...

I've got to think Joementum is banking on a Cabinet post in a McCain administration by this point. Not only are his chances for reelection in 2012 pretty slim, but it's hard to imagine his chances of keeping his chairmanships with the Democrats in 2009 are much better. He's got to know that campaigning for the other party's candidate is going to seal his fate once the D's don't need him for a majority. He's hitched his wagon to McCain and McCain is probably his career's only way forward.

Anonymous said...

The map is already starting to look like what it did before you pared down Obama's lead for projection purposes. It's looking like an inevitable blue invasion.

Matt said...

1.Can someone explain the tipping point diagram. What do the colors mean?

2.It's not Obama moving to the center that worries the left, its the speed with which it occurred. Its like he woke up one day and said,"O.K., primaries over, time to change to centrist Barack." For someone who won the Democratic primary running against people who "Don't say what they mean or mean what they say," he's disappointed people who believed he wasn't a typical politician. I don't believe he's a "typical" politician, but he's definitely a politician. I'm skeptical this move will be as effective as his campaign believes, but I trust his judgment. Its about winning.

The republicans will do anything to win, the Democrats need to be just as ruthless. Barack seems to be turning into Bill Clinton right before our eyes. I think we had better get used to the politics of triangulation. Like Bill Clinton or not. He won. He was the Republicans worst nightmare. If Barack can duplicate that feat, I couldn't care less what the left wing thinks about it.

Anonymous said...

The 31 point lead in NY scares me. If Rasmussen has Obama +5 nationally Obama ahead by ~30 points in NY, IL, and CA then is Obama falling behind in the swing states not really being polled now?

Brian said...

Nate,
I wonder if you have looked at what is going on at the outlier points on your super tracker. Is there some kind of pattern there that you could account for. For Example, all of today's polls were from heavily democratic states. Are the outliers all days where all the polls released were from states that heavily favor one party?

judas_priest said...

I've got to agree with Oliver.

If McCain wins, Lieberman gets a cabinet post. If Obama wins and the Dems gain at least several seats, they won't need him that much and will likely strip him of his chairmanships. On the other hand, if he resigns, the current gov of CT is a Republican who gets to appoint the replacement, so they might not want to make it so bad for him that he resigns, although he may do that anyway.

Anonymous said...

Matt, look at the percentages below. Also, Obama doesn't really seem to be moving. A Supreme Court decision on handguns in the home comes down, he remarks on it. It's not as though he had a different opinion on it before. Also, he had long ago indicated he would decline public funds, and he had never pledged to do so. It was McCain who signed papers with the FEC to take public funds and reneged. All Obama said was that he would talk to McCain about it, but why should he trust McCain on the issue now? Also, things like opposing a gay marriage ban in California show he's not just suddenly going to the "right" (is public funding "right"?) on issues.

jeanine said...

I agree on Lieberman: he is hoping for a cabinet post. It is amusing to see him next to McCain giving corrections.

The NY and Mass. polls indicate that Hillary Clinton's comments during the primary that she was the one to win these states were wrong.

Yes, please explain the color coding and also (again) the projection versus the trend.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

It looks like there are two color spectrums going on in the tipping point map. The first seems to be from whatever the max value is down to 1% (so currently 20% to 1%) with a with a scale going from red to yellow linearly by value. I think the second scale is just 1% down to 0% with a scale going from yellow to white linearly by value.

Also, I'm glad the must-win chart is gone for now. The arbitrary nature of "the race must be within this arbitrary range" to count made the information it presented less than enlightening.

Anonymous said...

The most important effect of these CT polls is that Lieberman is probably off the short list to be McCain's VP.

Sure it's possible he could swing some votes in Florida. But I think most of Lieberman's appeal was that he could swing CT into McCain's column.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 10:09 here:

It seems more likely on second viewing that the first scale's upper value isn't determined by the highest value, but rather is arbitrarily set at 15%.

obsessed said...

Is this right for Tipping States?

Start with Obama's best state - let's say Wash. DC. Give him the 3 EVs. Go to his next best state - let's say NY. Now he's got 34. Keep going until he hits 270. Whichever state pushes him over is the Tipping Point state.

Is that right?

And the colors ... the darker the state, the more often it's the tipping state, so CA and NY are white because they always get counted before he reaches 270.

Alex said...

Nate,

Love the new tipping point map, but you may want to make it two maps. If you split it up into "Obama wins tipping point states" and "McCain wins tipping point states" then you could get (I think) a much better picture of the election battle.

Matt said...

I still don't know what the Tipping Point States mean. What does the 20% for Ohio mean. 20% of what, for what?

To Anonymous at 10:03,
I'm a die-hard Obama supporter. I never voted before and never believed in a politician before. I believe in Barack. But he has altered positions. You have to be drinking the koolaid not to believe that. I really don't care about FISA, but the left is up in arms. It's not the tack to the center that worries me, its the political price of doing it that worries me. He's getting killed in the media. He's getting criticized from both sides for the same reason. Thats got to effect public opinion.

Lastly, The clown sitting in for Wolf Blitzer on CNN this week is nothing more than a discreet Shaun Hannity. I like CNN, but their coverage this week has been noticeably and unusually biased. Anyone else noticed this?

Anonymous said...

Poblano:

Once you get around to adding links to the charts and such so you can give more information than probably should be displayed around every post on ever page, it would be interesting to see what the mode electoral map is for the current simulation run. Before today the most common outcome was 293 electoral votes for Obama which produced a huge spike in the vote distribution chart, but now there are several notable spikes, three of which are larger than the one at 293, the largest being around 320. It would be interesting to know which state(s) changed from yesterday's mode to today's to cause this shift, and I'm presuming an automated chart would be less work for you than an annotative post everytime a shift occurs. If you decide to implement such a chart, I'd suggest bright red and blue indicating states that stayed and the candidates with whom they stayed, and then light red and blue indicating states that flipped and who they flipped to.

Modeler said...

Matt,

You can learn all about tipping point states by reading the FAQ.

As for CNN, just stop watching. I found the signal to noise ratio on the news/talk channels to be depressingly low, and there is much better coverage of this election online.