Friday, July 11, 2008

This Post is Already Written

Here's the new Newsweek poll; it shows Obama ahead 44-41. Their last poll, somewhat famously, had shown Obama ahead by 15.

Here's what I wrote three weeks ago. Just plug in 'Newsweek' where you see 'LA Times / Bloomberg' and we should be good to go.

I don't have a big problem with the details of the McCain campaign's pushback on yesterday's LA Times / Bloomberg poll, which had shown Barack Obama ahead by 12 points. In contrast to some of the memos that the press was treated to from the desk of Mark Penn, the McCain team's argument is relatively even-tempered and even-handed, fully acknowledging that their candidate does have a deficit to make up in the polls, if not the double digit margin implied by the LAT.

At the end of the day, what this really boils down to is an academic argument about whether one should weight polls by party identification, which is perhaps the most controversial subject in polling and one without any wrong answers. My take, for what it's worth, is that weighting by party ID may increase the precision of any one individual poll, but reduce the accuracy, particularly if you are able to look at several different polls at once.



My question, however, is just who is the audience is for this critique? It's June, and the election is in November. While the overall volume of polling data does give us some hints about what is more or less likely to occur in November, who the hell cares if McCain is down in any one particular poll? If he's down by 3, it's because he's down by 3, and if he's down by 11, it's because he's down by 11. The polling is simply a manifestation of that reality and not its cause.

Moreover, it is not clear to me that this is a spin war worth winning. If the media believes that Barack Obama is ahead by 5 points, then if a new poll comes out next week showing him ahead by 3, it will not get any attention. But if the media believes that Obama is ahead by 12 points, that same poll would create the perception of McCain momentum, and perhaps trigger a couple of days' worth of bad press for Obama as whatever had been going on over the past couple of days of the campaign would be taken as the cause for his polling decline. It might lead to harsher treatment of Obama's decision (flip-flop?) on campaign finance, for instance, or if Iran had been the subject of the week, as evidence that Obama wasn't resonating with voters on foreign policy.

McCain's campaign is absolutely right that the media ought not to focus too much on any one particular poll. But there are times later on when it's going to want them to do just that.
EDIT: That said, the differences aren't completely about party ID, since Obama lost significant ground in this poll among independents.

Here's something interesting from the cross-tabs, though: 61 percent of Obama's support is 'hard' and 39 percent is 'soft'. McCain's numbers are the precise opposite -- 39 percent of his support is hard and 61 percent is soft. So we could describe the electorate like this:

27 Hard Obama
17 Soft Obama
15 Totally Undecided
25 Soft McCain
16 Hard McCain
So Obama has roughly an 11-point advantage among hard supporters, which corresponds to the Democrats' edge in party ID.

About 43 percent if the country are hard supporters for one or the other candidate, while the other 57 percent are up for grabs to some extent or another.

McCain ties Obama when he wins 60 percent of those up-for-grabs voters. This is not quite the same thing as winning 60 percent of undecideds, since some of those people are decided (and decided for Obama) -- but their minds aren't completely made up. So it's going to be difficult for McCain to get much more than 60 percent of this group. On the other hand, this universe of 'soft' supporters probably intrinsically tilts Republican, since across a large number of indicators, a higher percentage of Republicans are dissatisfied with their nominee and their party. So it's going to be hard for Obama to get much more than 50 percent of this group. When the soft support is split 50/50, Obama leads by 11.

What I think you're going to see is the national numbers continue to swing around between those two poles -- as they have pretty much all year with the exception of Jeremiah Wright v1.0.

63 comments

KQuark said...

Any hit Obama took earlier in the week on FISA will be eclipsed by the sum total of the terrible week for McBush. McBush refused to fess up to his own record on birth control and veterans affairs. Phil Graham's "whinegate" comments. McBush's lie about naming the steel curtain defensive line when being interrogated which is in direct contradiction to his own book, was his Bosnia moment.

The man is an utter joke as a candidate and when America starts watching him with the proper scrutiny his candidacy will be doomed. He senior and pandering moments are starting to wear thin even in a press that loves him.

Rhode Island X said...

Too bad you had to reiterate that...Most of the regulars have read this piece and see how this fits in perfectly with your explanation.

It's the mindless and wandering trolls who spammed up the last thread. I realize your reluctance to crack down on people, but if there are posters who are here to disrupt the threads with their mindless off-topic propaganda...It's better to cut the clutter. (I have experience moderating large sites, and would volunteer to help.)

Anonymous said...

What is with all the censorship? Rhode Island X, you sound like you could be a KGB Agent with all this censorship you want to put in place.

If you don't like what a person posts then don't read it, or respond to it with what I can see is your obvious do it my way or I'll delete you mentality.

By the way Nate, that was a good post. Still don't feel good about Obama losing 12 points. It is sending shivers up my spine.

Jason Bourne

Ps

Rhode Island,

I hear the Chinese Gov't is looking for a few good censors.

Matt said...

I must say I find the comments getting more interesting by the day. A lot of McCain supporters just dropping in to create noise. Does McCain actually have people going around posting spin?

To the topic at hand. Newsweek has indeed reverted back to somewhere near normal. If they had released another poll with an Obama 15 point lead I think they would have lost credibility.

Rasmussen which has been the most stable poll shows Obama losing a couple points this week, Obama was due. He had to know the "jerk to the center" as Bob Herbert calls it would cost him some support especially on FISA legislation where there are probably a lot of Liberals switching to uncommitted while they let their anger blow over.

The Gallup daily tracking poll (located at gallup.com) continues its unpredictable nature with Obama up 6 points, 3 higher than yesterday.

The state polls over the last few days seem to be mixed. Rasmussen has McCain creeping closer in NJ and WA. It would be nice to see them poll Oregon as well for confirmation of a McCain surge. A Florida poll has Obama up 2.5, which only confirms we have no idea exactly where Florida is right now, Nate probably has it right with McCain up a little.

I do believe the last couple days polls show some softening for Obama. I believe the flip flopping charge has hurt Obama with taking fire from the left and the right. The gaffs over the last couple days seem to have focused the media's attention elsewhere for the time being.

On another note, the Obama campaign seems to have lost its aggressiveness the last few weeks. After winning the nomination, Obama was really tearing into McCain day in day out every time he opened his mouth. Lately, theres been very little. Even the Graham gaff about whiny Americans made yesterday, Obama spent a minute and a half on it yesterday proclaiming "We've already got one Dr. Phil and we don't need another." Thats it. Nothing further yesterday, nothing more today. Nothing from surrogates except when asked about it. Meanwhile the McCain campaign continues to hammer away when not being thrown off course like the last couple days- What gives?

Why doesn't Obama latch onto this like he's fighting for his political life and hammer McCain relentlessly? Force the media to cover it. Every word out of Obama's mouth should be related to McCain's apparent believe that the recession is "Psychological." He could win the white house on this issue alone. But he does nothing. As much as the Obama supporters dislike Hillary, she would be on this like white on rice. She would have herself and Bill, Terry McCaulif, Lanny Davis, Paul Begalla,James Carville, Wolfowitz, and every single member of that campaign blasting McCain minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day relentlessly for weeks. Every time you looked at McCain for the rest of your life that is what you would see. Obama ...

Nothing. No statement, nothing.

I know he has a lot of smart campaign people working for him. But I have no idea what they are doing. Its like they have no idea elections in the United States are not won on issues, but on media spin. Whoever best manipulates the media, usually wins. The Clintons were masters at it. The McCain camp is trying. The Obama camp either doesn't realize, or doesn't care. If he's trying to run a more civil campaign, I find that admirable, but its risky.The MSM has an unyielding appetite that must be fed. If Obama doesn't feed it, McCain will.

A perfect example of this is the apparent Obama flip flop on Iraq. A flip flop that doesn't exist. His use of the word "Refine" came at the end of his press conference and in no way changed any of his policies on Iraq. But the McCain camp said it was a flip flop and CNN and other networks said "O.K., sounds good to us lets run with it." Mark Halprin on CNN said this was the most important development of the general election. I was truly Baffled. I have been speaking the English Language for nearly 30 years now, I went to college and consider myself of at least average intelligence. The word refine in no way means to change or alter. It means to refine, to be more specific and lay out in more detail. In fact a fact checking website (Politifact.com) has looked into this and says this :

"Weighing all these statements together, we find the McCain campaign is off-base in saying Obama has changed position. Obama repeatedly said facts on the ground could affect the tactical moves of an overall withdrawal. Obama's position was not an iron-clad withdrawal timeline in the first place. We find the McCain campaign's statement that Obama has reversed position to be False."

Obama had to deny this for a week, and still now general perception is that he flip flopped. The MSM is not out for being fair or factual. They are out for ratings. Fox News is based on manipulating the public, and they do it very well. If Obama doesn't play the game, he might just lose the game altogether.

Anonymous said...

Is your national poll weighting trend based by pollster like your state-by-state polls are?

Rhode Island X said...

Anon at :07: It's not a matter of "Censorsing" one side. It's a matter of encouraging thoughtful posts. If people are allowed to flood the comments and drown out the rest...They will. If it's allowed, it's only a matter of time until we see hundreds of meaningless posts in every thread.

More traffic means less personal (read: people-know-each-other, community-building) posts, and that's a natural and acceptable consequence. What I wouldn't like to see are these threads turning into a DKos- or Youtube- type. People making quick and thoughtless posts mostly to bump up keywords on google. Or in some unfortunate "points" quest. Or in the hopes that if you say "ODUMBO" with enough exclamation points, it'll convince people of something or other.

Obviously, moderation requires a careful approach. Even though comparing me to the KGB or communist Chinese is quite offensive, at least you're not flooding. I don't advocate censorship based on political beliefs, or even matters of offensiveness like this. Flooding and going completely off-topic, on the other hand, require some action. If maintaining a climate for intelligent discussions is the goal.

Brad said...

Nate,
This doesn't apply to the current thread but have you given any thought to an analysis of comparing the intrade political futures tracker to your win percentage tracker? totally different sources but might be an interesting test of the idea of collective intelligence in markets.

rmadilo said...

"When the soft support is split 50/50, Obama leads by 11."

Wow, that is a stunning statistic. This reminds me of the delegate math during the Dem primary.

Jason Bourne said...

Rhode Island,

It's still censorship! Besides, Nate might like a lot of people coming to his site and making a lot of noise.

Let the people speak, it makes the community stronger!

"What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger."

If you don't like what a person posts, blast them with your superior rhetoric and argument!

By the way, losing 12 points in one month scares me, this can't be good.

counsellorben said...

Matt said "On another note, the Obama campaign seems to have lost its aggressiveness the last few weeks."

Matt, I think that the Obama campaign has decided to conserve its resources for the "post-season," as Nate phrased it.  Since nothing short of a major scandal will have a dramatic impact prior to the conclusion of both conventions, I think they have decided to draw back and game plan for the home stretch.  Why waste time, energy and money right now, if it is just to spin your wheels?

I am certain that those of us in competitive states will be seeing Gramm's "whiner" comments and McCain's "Social Security is a disgrace" remarks often in September and October (especially in FL, NV, and PA, the competitive states with the highest number of seniors).

I may be wrong, but I think they are taking a rest, and will come out fighting in the final nine weeks, starting during the Republican convention.  Obama will continue to make appearances, but his schedule will probably remain (relatively) light until September.