If Bob Novak is circulating internal polls showing Mitt Romney helping John McCain in Michigan, you can be pretty sure that the Republican establishment is behind the idea of making Romney McCain's VP. It's easy enough to understand why. Romney has been a good team player: an excellent fundraiser and a tireless campaigner. He is unlikely to embarrass either himself or the ticket. And he could potentially be an asset in several states, among them Michigan, New Hampshire and Nevada.
But Romney also comes with several liabilities which, when combined with his strengths, would tend to produce a very interesting electoral map.
One of the more reliable indicators we have identified for electoral strength is a candidate's fundraising numbers. Mitt Romney raised quite a bit of money -- about $60 million from individual contributors, of which $48 million came in large enough chunks to require disclosure to the FEC. Thus, we can look at Romney's fundraising totals in each state.
As a basis for comparison, we will use George W. Bush's fundraising haul in 2004, which included about $190 million in individual contributions that were large enough to be tallied by the FEC. Overall, Romney raised about 25 percent as much as Bush (again, counting only those contributions that the FEC itemized). But the ratio varied significantly from state to state. Romney raised just 2 percent as much as Bush in Arkansas, but 972 percent as much in Utah. A complete accounting of the Romney v. Bush numbers is below; states where we presently project the McCain-Obama matchup to finish within 6 percentage points are highlighted in yellow.
Let's look at this as a map as well. States where Romney underperformed his weighted average of 25 percent of Bush's fundraising total are tinted red; states where he overperformed the total are tinted green.
From these figures, we can make some pretty good inferences about where Romney's strengths might lie:
-- The Mormon Belt. Romney, unsurprisingly, does exceptionally well in states with with large concentrations of Mormons. Unfortunately for him, some of these states -- like Utah and Idaho -- are utterly irrelevant electorally. But he might also be of some assistance in Nevada, Colorado, and possibly Oregon, though the latter may not be close enough for it to matter. He is not of much help in New Mexico, which has distinctly different demographics from the rest of the region and where Romney's lack of popularity among Hispanic voters might be a liability.
-- Michigan. Romney's fundraising numbers in Michigan were strong, and he would probably be an asset there. Although, his impact seems to stop at the Michigan border; Romney did not do especially well in any of the states surrounding the Wolverine State.
-- New England. Romney's fundraising was also relatively strong in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Connecticut. Of these, probably only New Hampshire is competitive, but those are four fairly important electoral votes. I am not sure, by the way, how much of this really has to do with Romney's tenure as governor of Massachusetts, where his approval ratings had been marginal. Instead, there are a fair number of fiscal conservatives in New England, among whom Romney's business background might have some appeal.
In contrast, Romney might be a liability in some other regions:
-- The South. Romney's fundraising numbers were quite bad in the South, where he generally matched no more than 10 percent of George W. Bush's fundraising total. He would probably be a modest liability in Virginia, and might put states like North Carolina, West Virginia, and possibly Georgia and even Arkansas further into play. The problem, simply put, is that Romney's Mormonism is anything but an asset to Evangelical Protestants. In 14 states that SurveyUSA polled in January and February, before Romney dropped out of the race, John McCain beat Barack Obama by an average of 33 points among evangelical voters. Romney, by contrast, led Obama by just 18 points. Although it is unclear just how many of these evangelicals would defect to Obama in the end, the Republicans would have significant concerns over those voters not turning out, or voting for Bob Barr.
- The Upper Midwest, Sans Michigan. Romney's fundraising totals were very marginal in Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota and Indiana -- though Iowa, where Romney spent the better part of a year campaigning, was a modest exception. These states tend to place a heavy value on authenticity, and Romney's polish is a poor match for the Midwestern aesthetic. Wisconsin and Minnesota, already difficult states for McCain, might be placed further out of reach if Romney were on the ticket, and Indiana and North Dakota might present more substantial opportunities for Barack Obama.
- New Mexico and other Hispanic-heavy states. Romney performed quite poorly among Latino voters in the Republican primaries. He won just 23 percent of their votes in Arizona (versus 35 percent of the white vote), 14 percent in Florida (versus 34 percent of whites) and 27 percent in California (versus 38 percent of whites). Although Romney's tough stance on illegal immigration is part of the reason he might be helpful to McCain in states Colorado, he might do more harm than good in states where the Hispanic population is a little larger, such as New Mexico and possibly Florida.
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Overall, placing Mitt Romney on the ticket would tend to produce a very broad map. Several "Lean Democratic" states -- Michigan, Colorado, New Hampshire -- would tend to be pushed closer toward toss-up status. But likewise, there are areas where Romney might be harmful, and some "Lean Republican" states -- North Carolina, Indiana, North Dakota -- could also become toss-ups. We might also have to give more consideration to scenarios in which Barack Obama loses both Michigan and Ohio (although, there is no reason to think Romney will be especially helpful in Ohio) but comes up with a winning electoral combination, most likely through gains in the South. For example, Obama could lose both Michigan and Ohio (and still reach 270 electoral votes) if he won both Virginia and Florida. He could also lose both Michigan and Ohio if he won Virginia, North Carolina and Iowa.
Obama could also try and counterprogram Romney by means of his own Vice Presidential selection. However, it is not clear whether such a strategy would involve playing offense or defense. Obama could conceivably pick a Westerner like Brian Schweitzer in an effort to offset Romney's gains in the West; this would be a defensive strategy. Or, he could pick a Southerner to try and exploit his opportunity in that region; this would be the more aggressive maneuver. There might be some utility in his avoiding a Catholic candidate in an effort to expand his reach to evangelicals, however, a disproportionate number of the Democratic VP contenders are Catholic (including Biden, Kaine, Sebelius, Clark, Schweitzer and Reed). There might also be some utility in picking a candidate who performs strongly among working class voters, as Romney's background and personality make him more appealing to the country club set. Hillary Clinton, frankly, would be a pretty interesting choice on paper (John Edwards would be even better if his alleged scandal does not prove to be a problem) as might a darkhorse choice like Sherrod Brown. Evan Bayh, who has a +29 approval rating among evangelicals in Indiana, might also be a fairly good fit.
As for the McCain team, they have ample reason to select Romney, but they need to understand that his strengths don't necessarily match the conventional wisdom. Romney's base tends neither to be evangelicals nor Reagan Democrats, but instead, middle- and upper-class fiscal conservatives who value lower taxes and stricter immigration policies and who are probably relatively satisfied with the status quo. This describes a significant number of independent voters in states like Colorado. However, if the Republicans throw Romney out there and try to turn him into a populist, they'll be in for a long campaign.
7.28.2008
Romney's Effect On the Map
by Nate Silver @ 3:09 AM...see also fundraising, michigan, romney, vice president
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KRANKY said...
A forced Romney VP would indicate a Repuke fear of losing New Mexico, Colorado, and even Nevada.
This borders on desperation, and if those states go D, then McCain is a walking dead man.
This may be academic, as the Dominionists will never accept an LDS as dear leader. Once the McCain/U.S.S. Forrestal scandal breaks ( by ghost repuke 527's ), McCain will have a medical emergency and be compelled to withdraw. So, the Dominionists will insist one of theirs for VP; to ultimately be the REAL repuke candidate. This is not Romney.
Huckabee? Any other thoughts?
KRANKY
If McCain has any sense Romney will not be his VP.
I do not believe that McCain's VP selection will really make much difference in the end result.
Romney would be the same as if Obama were to pick Clinton. Bad choice of VP for either candidate - too much baggage & at best they would be a wash.
Why would donors contribute bigtime to McCain just because Mitt would be the VP ? Seems like a bad 'investment'.
McCain's only VP winning scenario involves Powell, I believe - but that isn't gonna happen since CW has him as behind team Obama.
A qualified woman would work - but who ? Not Palin, not Fiorina [joke], not Rice.
He needs a Claire McCaskill-type, some maybe Hutchinson as a dark horse.
But his VP must have economy creds, no more than 20 years younger than him, preferably female [but most of the good female candidates are DEM - and Obama can't pick a female VP or he will diss Clinton].
Romney ? Not so much unless he has really sold his soul. Huckabee ? not likely. Jindal ? no way. Crist ? give me a break.
Pawlenty ? that would just be insane - so then definitely my male longshot is Pawlenty with the way McCain is running his campaign ! NO pluses, he will not help McCain take MN - but John is such a maverick...
Or maybe Portman as backup if everyone else declines the offer then he might get the nod by default ? He would be McCain's Cheney. Not sure if Rob can fill the role as effective attack dog...
IF McCain announces his VP before Obama, that will really indicate his campaign is in full panic mode & confirm that their internals are dismal.
I don't think Romney would make a good choice for VP simply because choosing him would violate the first rule of VP selection: Do no harm. For all of his (potential) strengths, Romney creates problems for McCain. Any good qualities a VP adds to the ticket is just gravy, imo. But any attention he/she takes away from the top of the ticket is a liability and it just may not be worth the hassle.
Each candidate needs a running mate who compliments his strengths without overpowering him (i.e. one without a narrative so compelling that the media latches on to the shiny new story. I don't know that either campaign can afford a veep who distracts from the candidate's message. Not only would Romney's religion grab a lot of focus but so would his and McCain's formerly contentious relationship. None of which really helps McCain get his message across and/or chip away at Obama.)
NH has 4 electoral votes (not 3, as you stated).
McCain will not pick Romney even if he is the best pick - because of what went in with the negative ads in the primary. McCain has a thin skin and a long memory, which combine to make Roment a no-go.
There has been a lot of speculation about the timing as well as the name of McCain's VP. My guess is that if he waits around til the Olympics, its Romney. For one thing, Romney is himself associated with the Olympics. More importantly, I don't think Romney is what people have in mind when they think big splash announcement. In a way he is the safe pick. He is a far better pick for logistical reasons since he can help with fundraising and playing the attack dog.
I don't think most Americans like him. He comes across as really too slick for his own good. If ever there was a man that looked and talked like the stereotypical politician, he's the one. I also think he has such a record of flip flops and saying bad things about McCain.
Probably the safe pick but not the big splash McCain seems to covet.
Why are we all awake at this hour and commenting on a political blog? Nate included!!!!
To make it worse I am listening to "Beyong the Beltway" on XM!!!!
Desirae,
agree with your post.
McCain / Portman
vs
Obama / Bayh
"Why are we all awake at this hour and commenting on a political blog?"
My guess, because we're all political junkies lookin' for a fix.
Bayh would be a great choice for Obama. Pawlenty is the best choice for McCain.
This ain't over, Obama is getting a bounce, McCain's campaign is terrible, but the VP choice might matter enough for Obama that he pick very wisely.
I also think Obama could still lose this at the debates, but his command of issues is getting better the longer he campaigns.
"Why are we all awake at this hour and commenting on a political blog?"
I live on the west coast and rarely go to bed before 3:00. I get my best work done in the middle of the night, but I'm obviously susceptible to time wasting temptations. Damn you 538.com!!
Brad,
Pawlenty would contribute nothing to McCain. Certainly no ecomomic creds, he barely won re-election, can not deliver his state ot any demos, wore a mullet until recently, bland as all get out.
He would be instantly compared to Dan Quayle - and not favorably !
But since I back Obama, then I hope McCain picks him !
I'm not sure how much Romney helps on the economy. For that matter, I'm not sure how much anybody helps on the economy. Its not a matter of "weak on foreign policy, pick a general".
Romney has a large hidden issue of the fact that his business experience largely consisted of leveraged buyout followed by massive layoffs followed by resale of the company. Sometimes there was an offshoring thrown in there. It never really came up in the Republican primary -- why would it, they are Republicans? It was a major issue in his Senate campaign against Kennedy. I think its fair to assume it would be a major issue again.
Is the way to appeal to scared blue collar workers really to nominate somebody that reminds them of the guy that fired them?
I've tried to think about who I would nominate if I was McCain and I really have a tough time with it.
Hutchinson would be perfect if she wasn't pro-choice. Same with Ridge.
If he picks Palin or Jindal, he can never use the inexperience argument again.
I hate to eliminate a guy based on a rumor, but there is no way he could pick Crist without risking a major boycott of evangelicals.
McCain doesn't have any obvious picks. Every pick has almost as many weaknesses as strengthes.
Nate - An extremely interesting post!! I was well aware of Romney's downside, but as you demonstrate, he could cause some fissures in my favorite Obama firewall (Kerry+IA+CO+NM).
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Also, if the advisors are convinced that Romney is the best choice and McCain really dislikes him and is being stubborn ...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I agree about Romney. No way, unless the McCain campaign has a backup narrative to replace 'THE MAVERICK - JOHN McCAIN' theme.
Romney would destroy his maverick image in so many ways.
Mitt is THE establishment candidate [which is why they are pushing him hard] & the deal-breaker would have to be that Romney really & truly is the definition of a political flip-flopper.
Together they might be able to cobble together 250 EV max - where would the other 30 come from ?
McCain + Romney = Dole + Kemp
same type of NE candidates & that ticket would get the same result.
Nate, the very existence of posts like this seems to fly in the face 538's previous skepticism on the whole veep-delivers-state(s) meme. I gotta say I find that skepticism a whole lot more credible than the kind of scenarios being proffered here.
I know the post I reference wasn't yours, but it's still quite a leap from a historically-based debunking of the idea that a Veep-pick "delivers" any state to pronouncing it a game-changer in more than a dozen states! Extrapolating this kind of electoral impact from a small sample of $2300 contributors strikes me as a rather huge reach. Romney raised money where he (or at least his surname) is known. That hardly proves he's going to "win" Michigan for McCain.
Romney is the Great White Hope of the Club for Growth. To most of the rest of the country -- including most Republicans, and until recently John McCain -- he's an empty suit. People are smart enough to know that the Vice President is not the President; the effect of a Veep choice is almost always purely in terms of campaign narrative, and Romney's usefulness in that regard is iffy at best.
BTW, is Sean gone forever?
Obsessed,
I'm not sure its a simple matter of stubbornness. I don't think he's hesitant for reasons of personal dislike.
I think he is afraid of two things.
1. A large part of Romney's interviews would consist of "let's replay this insulting quote about McCain and give you the opportunity to flip flop now that you're on the same team". Why give the media a reason to stir up old shit?
2. A large part of McCain's appeal is that voters believe that he always says what he believes and not what is designed to sell. If he says that he likes Romney after all this time saying he hates him, he'll look disingenuous or wishy washy. That hurts the overall "straight talk" image.
correction -
above I said:
"Together they might be able to cobble together 250 EV max - where would the other 30 come from ?"
I meant 240 EV of course...
Lorne,
I'm not sure that a VP can win any state, but I do think that the choice will help or hurt by different amounts in different states. Its not like either campaign is going to say "Romney is the VP, Michigan is off the table..."
I think the pick will have a slightly larger impact than normal this year because people have accepted the Cheney model of a powerful VP and because people realize that McCain's age means there is a greater likelihood that he will die in office.
I'm not sure the argument is that Romney can "get" MI so much as that he may tip the state if the numbers are already close. The VP doesn't usually mean more than a point or two but sometimes a point or two makes all the difference. A case can be made that John Edwards probably shaved a point or two off of George Bush's numbers in NC in 2004. It wasn't enough - but it could have been if the state wasn't solidly in the Republican column to begin with.
I doubt that Kaine can get VA for Obama - but demographic shifts and close polling numbers suggest that his presence on the ticket *might* be just enough to flip it.
Jeffrey,
you said. "people realize that McCain's age means there is a greater likelihood that he will die in office."
How un-PC !
It is certainly logical, but we are not supposed to say that out loud apparently...
I think he'd be great on the rep ticket, didn't he say containing Nukes is a liberal issue, I think he'd help Obama greatly if he ran with McCain
McCain + Pawlenty = eh, no help - but no hurt
Obama + Kaine = same as above...
ANON post @ 3:43 AM
Portman is so much a GOP version of Bayh.
Establishment candidates from neighboring midwest states.
They even look sort of alike - it is scary !
and the similarities do not stop there.
Their BDs are the same year and only one week apart. [12/19/55 vs 12/26/55]
possibly generic clones...
perfect VP candidates
One other question -- how will the Romney Healthcare-for-all plan from MA play in a party given to NO healthcare for anyone?
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This doesn't say much because lack of fund raising or even good fund raising doesn't mean that he will hurt or help McCain in those states. You don't have a clear cut anti-Romney fund raising so you don't know how many would leave McCain because of Romney being on the ticket.
I can't help but suspect "none of the above".
Idealy McCain needs somebody with a reputation for creating jobs.
That might be a tall order, but somewhere there must be a Republican who didn't get rich by asset stripping or shipping jobs off to China.
I agree that Romney helps and hurts per the chart given Romney's background. However, Romney's penchant for flip flopping would not help McCain's extensive problems with flip flopping.
I also agree with Jeffrey that the VP role has been expended by Cheney and with dcm in that the VP has to be an attack dog.
Pawlenty keeps looking decent to me for GOP VP as he has the decent economic and religious background. However, he does not seem to be a strong attack dog and his appeal would be generic outside of MN.
I wanted to throw something at the TV. Why does the Obama group just take crap and not answer it? This was a huge problem against Clinton, and it is beginning to show itself against McCain. For example - all the repubs yesterday were arguing McCain had a good week because of some state polling, and the dems just took it and did not answer - WHEN THEY PERFECT AMMO to come back with, namely the bounce in the national trackers. Say sometyhing like "state polls lag." Thishappens often, they need better talking points.
I'd caution against overestimating the Mormon effect in Colorado. They're a relatively small minority in the state (about 2.5% of the state population), and they already turn out in big numbers for Republicans.
""and Obama can't pick a female VP or he will diss Clinton""
He most certainly can...and the more people try to claim or threaten otherwise, the more I want him to prove them wrong.
This is a long shot scenario, but a McCain-Romney ticket could be the end of the modern Republican party. With Bob Barr running on the Libertarian ticket, religious conservatives could desert the Republican party on a massive scale in the presidential election. Given that in many (but not most) states, religious conservatives control the local party machinery, the party would be in some danger of complete fracture. The war in Iraq is, oddly enough, the glue that holds the Republican party to gather. If Obama manages to extricate us from that mess, the Republican party has to face a series of issues that divide its voters (immigration, abortion (seriously, look at the polling), trade, etc.)
DCM posited: A qualified woman would work - but who ? Not Palin, not Fiorina [joke], not Rice.
He needs a Claire McCaskill-type, some maybe Hutchinson as a dark horse.
One woman stands out for that. I don't believe she's interested. But, that woman is Olympia Snowe.
Look, the pro-life and evangelical voters aren't going anywhere with Obama as the Dem nominee. Against an Edwards or a Bayh or a Gephardt, some might have stayed home. Against Obama (or Hillary Clinton for that matter)?
McCain/Snowe would draw in a lot of the center, and allow McCain to look a lot more like the "2000 model McCain" who's been absent.
But, I don't think McCain is brave enough to do it, and I don't know if Snowe would accept.
On the Dem side, though, it seems that Obama really wants Sebelius, if he had no decision to make but who he wants to work with. I think he'll do it, too. Clinton will grit her teeth and be effusive, and people will get over it.
"A new Research 2000 national poll finds Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. John McCain, 51% to 39%, with Bob Barr getting 3% and Ralph Nader getting 2%."
BREAKS 50%!!!!
So the governor of state that had a tunnel collapse can accept the vp nod in state that had a bridge collapse.
Good image control GOP. DO IT!
I dunno William. Bob Barr has no money and most of the GOP base isn't too keen on legalizing pot. The so-cons don't like gay marriage either. Republicans have their problems, to be sure. But those problems will vanish in a flash if the Dems control the House, Senate and Presidency after November. They're going to overreach, because that's what happens when a party has total control. Then the GOP will come back with new leadership. Just like in 1994.
Interesting that your quantitative analysis matches my amateur instincts. Romney would easily carry Nevada and generate huge increases in turnout in many states (increases that might be difficult to poll), because Mormon voters would see a VP taking over when McCain's health catches up with him as the only way a Mormon can become President.
That same issue - significant odds that a Mormon would become President before 2012 - could lead to a floor fight at the convention like none we have seen since 1948 when Democrats took up civil rights. If Romney became the VP candidate anyway, look for Obama to speak more about his Christian beliefs using the excuse that he has to defuse the e-mail lie campaign that is still out there. That alone could swing VA, which means a lot more than NV.
In contrast, the Romney name carries a lot of sway in Michigan because of his father's history as a Progressive conservative as governor, which makes his Mormon faith less relevant there. However, Jr does not appear to be the progressive his father was so that could change when he is tied to McCain.
If McCain is the cardboard puppet he seems to have become, Romney in a walk -- courtesy of his handlers.
If he retains some in your face maverick creds, Lieberman as the in your face answer to everyone.
Regarding Romney's fundraising in New England: Bain Capital, the private equity firm that Romney co-founded, is based in Boston. I assume that Romney drew on his business connections there for primary donations.
I got on Romney's list by having an Internet domain registered, that's all I can think of anyway, because (as one of my union reps likes to say), "I don't travel in those circles". LOL.
Nate,
Interesting but totally flawed analysis. Comparing a primary candidate in 2008 to an incumbent President in 2004 is just not valid and is not apples for apples. Try Romney in 2008 with Bush in 2000...or Romney in 2008 with McCain in 2008 or Huckabee in 2008
Romney? Comes across like a snake oil salesman but won't be able to sell the Bush tax cut. Won't help win his latest "home" state, Massachusetts.
Pawlenty? Too little.
Lieberman? Can't even win the Jewish vote for the ticket.
Bring on the womens.
"Romney's base....relatively satisfied with the status quo."
A vanishingly small demographic these days. If true, Romney would have all the positive impact of Pawlenty but with considerably higher negatives.
Yes, Pawlenty is a Quayle-like, intellectual lightweight but hey, so is George W. Bush. The GOP obviously likes controllable figureheads. As the Party's choice for being a heartbeat away from the Presidency, it's White Bread Pawlenty pulling away down the stretch.
lawnchair
I strongly agree that Obama can pick Sebelius, and for the same reason.
I can imagine Hillary anouncing the decision herself, at the convention, and with visible(if insencere)enthusiasm.
I am not so sure about McCain having the pro-life & evangelical votes sown up.
Obama is a convincing Cristian while McCain is not.
It is true that Obama is pro-choice but McCain's loyalty to pro-life is suspect. It is highly unlikly that he will significantly reduce abortions if he wins. Bush never did.
Should Obama give a speach promising to halve abortions through education, making contaception even more available, adoption & help for single mothers, he might make serious inroads.
It is entirely believable that while respecting a womans right to choose, Obama hates abortion far more than McCain. I even believe that it is likely.
I am pro-choice myself, but if my daughter anounced she needed an abortion, I would not take the news with joy. Who would?
I believe the DC press would love Portman on the ticket and would re-enforce the "Maverick" choice because Portman is not so well known. Portman has economic experience and is a good foot soldier. He's smart enough to attack in ways that don't look like an attack. And, he could help with Ohio.
The more time goes on and new names are not thrown around, the more convinced I am that Portman will be the choice.
Gallup Daily Tracker
49% Obama
40% McCain
As Jeffrey said, a large part of Romney's interviews would consist of "let's replay this insulting quote about McCain and give you the opportunity to flip flop now that you're on the same team".
Not to mention that Virginia's evangelical Republican base is not going to be happy that a 99 year-old candidate for President chose a Mormon to be just one step away from the office.
McCain taking Romney, and Obama countering with Bayh, would swing Nevada solidly to McCain and make Colorado & Michigan slightly closer but it would also swing Virginia and Indiana solidly to Obama.
That was yestuhday. Ras today has just a 3 point spread, dah bounce is kaput.
Rasmussen claims the "Berlin bounce" is fading: Obama 45 - McCain 42, and 48-45 with leaners.
It will be interesting to see whether Gallup finds the same later today.
(Anon @8:29 - those are yesterday's numbers.)
Comparing Bush in 2004 where he was uncontested to Romney where he spent lots of time in NH, NV, MI, IA, etc. doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when you see that Romeny "outperformed" in NH, NV, MI, IA. That's exactly what you would expect. Perhaps only CO is a surprise. There's no real reason to expect Romeny to do well there, so maybe that means something.
1. Are Bush's fundraising numbers useful as a "neutral background"?
2. I thought you were going to publish research on the VP impact. For the home state the approach should be clear, I imagine - take the relative movement of the state and compare it with demographically comparable States (To do this properly takes much work, though, because you need to look at the historical demographic data and find which parameters fit best the actual elections outcome).
I was assuming that Novak was referring to the SUSA VP polls which had the most bizarre crosstabs ever. Yeah, if Obama only carries 60% of Democrats and 60% of African-Americans, I'm sure McCain/Romney would do pretty well. Unfortunately, SUSA didn't offer McCain/Huckabee for comparison...
Perhaps only CO is a surprise. There's no real reason to expect Romney to do well there, so maybe that means something.
Mormons.
Any heads up on state polls today? Rasmussen in his tracking update says he will be releasing favorability numbers for VP candidates at noon, but nothing abut any pending state polls.
Seems like Survey USA is long overdue to release something or other, no?
There's like 5 mormons in Colorado.
That's not true. There are quite a few, even though it's not nearly as many as Idaho or Nevada (to say nothing of Utah).
Littleton for instance, has many Mormons and a large Mormon temple.
No Ben, Colorado has exactly the national average of Mormons: 2% of the population.
Oregon has just 5%, which is also negligible considering the scope of Obama's lead there.
http://religions.pewforum.org/maps
Also in the Ras tracker, Obama lost 1 and McCain gained 2. There's some noise here but Obama has reasserted his lead. The bounce has knocked him back up to the 47%-49% range.
McCain will announce Romney as his VP late tomorrow morning. Obama will announce Bayh next week. You heard it here first.
I question Romney's ability to bring in Michigan. Yes among Mich GOP voters he did well, but a state gutted by free trade and corporate malfeasance is not going to be in the mood for more of the same. I think this is a state bluer than it's polling.
Obama is down in Rasmussen.
How much will him spurning the troops bring his totals down further?
I think Landstuhl has caused a reverse in the polls. I'll wait for Gallup though.
Romney may be less strong in New Hampshire than the map makes it appear.
Bush faced no opposition for the nomination in 2004, so his campagin didn't spend months in the early delegate states. Romney's did, which is bound to to lead not only to support, but to greater efficiency in turning support into dollars.
That Romney raised more money than his baseline in Iowa suggests that he had a similar boost in New Hampshire.
"Obama is down in Rasmussen.
How much will him spurning the troops bring his totals down further?"
One point is the very definition of 'within MOE.' McCain and the GOP's demonstrable lying on this issue will likely backfire on McCain, especially when it comes out that McCain himself skipped out on visiting Landstuhl to attend a campaign fundraiser hosted by the British aristocracy.
Hussein will sink further and further thanks to spurning the troops.
Many soldiers there said he was arrogant.
It's just been revealed that the shooting in Knoxville was a political hate crime. This should hurt the GOP as it provides a perfect example of the kind of perverse freaks that John McCain represents.
Hussein will sink further and further thanks to spurning the troops.
Many soldiers there said he was arrogant.
I agree completely.
Snopes is a site run by liberal loons, you can't trust it.
Just like you can't trust FactCheck.org and the solder himself, who now admits that the e-mail was a lie.
For the record, the owner of Snopes.com is anything but liberal.
You would think these trolls would use their time to spread lies in places where people are dumb enough to believe them. Posting this shit here is like going into a booth and confessing the sin of stupidity...
Snopes is a site run by liberal loons, you can't trust it.
Yes, reality does have a well-known liberal bias!
>TROLL ALERT<
"spurning the troops" must be today's talking points memo
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I predict:
1. McCain will announce his VP pick today (Monday) or Tuesday. It'll be Romney, Pawlenty, or Thune in that order of likelihood.
2. Barack will announce his pick within 24 hours after that to squelch any bounce for McCain. The pick will be Bayh, Biden, Jack Reed, or Schweitzer in that order of likelihood. Wes Clark or Sibelius would cost Barack the election.
Mussolini called Fascism "reality based", too.
I'd be careful with that if I were you.
I respectfully disagree with the following statement.
"Obama can't pick a female VP or he will diss Clinton"
First rule in politics: Never say never.
Ann on this note, Hillary herself knows she couldn't carry someone like Janet Napolitano's shoulder bag when it comes to on-the-job executive experience and political ju jitsu as a party-builder in difficult circumstances bringing both inner-party and partisan factions together. And that's the real art of a good VP. Although Napolitano seems to be out of the VP choice, with all due respect to Hillary Clinton, Napolitano nonetheless would be a more moderate, personable pragmatist with a fine sense of humor and cutting edge wit that has long been exhibited as lacking in Hillary Clinton.
And just how would I know what Hillary personally thinks of Janet Napolitano's abilities? You just have to attend enough fund-raising parties at Ron Burkle's homes over the past 15 years.
LMAO, OBAMA IS ALREADY LOSING THE TRIP BOUNCE, CHECK THE NEW RASMUSSEN POLL!
It's Pawlenty and it's likely happening today.
Who says its happening today?
It's nice seeing a nigger like Jermaine@9:34 assuming that just because someone commits a hate crime, he's represented by a "perverse" GOP...how about perverse thinking on your part there, ace.
Thune makes more sense than Pawlenty. McCain needs to protect SD as well as ND & MT.
He has that Dan Quayle look. But I think he is too young @ 47 y/o - same as Obama. Next to McCain he accents John's 'maturity'.
Romney ? Nah, that is a head fake unless McCain is ready to just completely sell ALL of his core principles and self-esteem.
Portman fits the bill better in this environment.
And didn't that stupid NIGGER Jermaine complain a few posts later about trolls spewing BULL SHIT on this site. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Well, I'll call a NIGGER a NIGGER and a HYPOCRITE too.
Obama will win. It won't be close.
Mock a troll. The same stupidities and vulgarities...day in and day out.
Hey Jermaine, you rotten dick-bag, just do any number of searches on all of the hate crimes and eco-terrorism jobs, etc. by liberal loons...do you want the Democratic party accused of representing those perverse freaks...guess we'll have to play that game then, if the gloves are off...FUCKER!!!!
Timmy Pawlenty is a joke.
Brings nothing at all to the ticket. He was extremely lucky to barely win his job TWICE with well under 50 % and only because both times the DEM candidate let it slip away.
GO PAWLENTY !
I'd like to know why people think its going to be today. I seriously doubt it.
I don't support any candidate, major party or otherwise.
But I believe Obama will win the election. Then it will be funny as hell when the game is no longer about delivering fascinating and inspiring speeches and actually DOING SOMETHING.
Then we'll see over half the country sorely disappointed when the neophyte falls flat on his face and embarrasses himself and the country on the world stage.
On the Mormon inpact:
1. Mormons are already overwhelmingly conservative Republicans so Mitt would not be converting pro-Obama Mormons as there are so few already. Would just increase turnout and enthusiasm.
2. Evangelicals might not like a Mormon VP nominee but they would still vote for that ticket over a ticket headed by the son of a Muslim goatherd whose "spiritual mentor" was Jeremiah Wright and whose "moral compass" was Father Pfleger.
MSM needs a 'new' storyline to start off the week.
Novak is still shilling this VP nonsense.
I am sorry, Bob is 'floating' Romney's candidacy as a public service.
The shooting today may bump off any announcement anyway since that looks like it will probably dominate today's news cycle.
By Myself in This World said...
thanks for your concern.
really, I feel your pain
Excellent stuff, as always.
I love seeing rotten douchebags like the ass at 10:10 who have no creativity or courage whatsoever and can only get a laugh as posting as someone else.
Probably the same shit-for-brains that mooch off of mom and dad, live in the basement, severely obese, and are making $7/hour at Wal-Mart hoping Obama will rescue them from their loser life.
If you want to be cute and witty, don't post some inane bullshit as me, pick some name like...oh I don't know...I kicked By Myself in This World's Ass Last night...post an intelligent, even if raunchy and ridiculous retort, and then sign off with something like...
"Yeah, and while Obama is winning on Election Day, I'll be donkey-fucking your mother while eating popcorn and getting high-fives from Bill Clinton and Eliot Spitzer."
That's the kind of reply that's worth something...not just posting as me, ass-clown.
Romney won't bring any votes in Michigan or Colorado. A VP hasn't brought a state in 50 years. Its all media fodder that doesen't matter in the end. Hillary wouldn't help Obama with any state in particular, but she would help with party unity, and solidify the base more.
Polling suggests Obama/Clinton beats McCain/Romney in Michigan handily.
Mutt Romney might excite black turnout, too - who let the dogs out, anyone?
But I can't tell what the trinity black mormons of chicago will think. They may be driven to Bobb Barr instead.
Romney is the worst choice. He will give the Republican ticket a Country Club Republican image which will not sell this year. Even with a tremendous money advantage he was not able to win the Republican Primaries in the contested states. In addition he was rated by Human Events in 1905 as the 7th most liberal elected Repubican in the country.
I'm such a tool.
I doubt if he didn't announce it before the morning papers that hes announcing today. We would have heard a leak, or SOMETHING.
I don't think it will be until after the Olympics for the Republicans, and possibly for the Democrats also.
This site sucks. There was a time when you could read intelligent posts and even if you disagreed the posts were not total crap. Ass clowns are writing shit now. This site has taken on the maturity of an 8 year old. Its really sad.
it is not the site itself, it is the troll infestation.
wonder if lice treatment would kill the nits ?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned or considered Lindsey Graham as McCain's VP pick. Regardless of one's political leanings, the two of them seem sympatico. As to regional advantages, there appear to be few other than perhaps shoring up NC and Georgia, but as to the overall, Graham might be considered McCain's "do no harm" pick.
On the other hand, Graham might be seen as a lightning rod for Democrats who well remember his position as one of the GOP managers during Clinton's impeachment.
What's Jeb Bush up to? I expect the GOP inner circle to push his name out there. McCain's acting like GWBush anyway, and Jeb would help get GW's constituency back.
I wish they would just hurry up and get the VP pick over it, and quit with the false leads (esp. McCain).Its this week. No, next week. No, after the Olympics. Etc.
I don't think Romney was in office in 1905. That's so far back, McCain was in the House! (ba-dump).
The main job of the Veep is fundraising and not screwing up, and Romney certainly raises a whole lotta funds (not to mention his own money). If I were an Evangelical, and I had a choice between voting for a Mormon who would then likely become President or a Protestant who doesn't share the same views, well, it's a good question.
I didn't know who Pawlenty was, and I live in Minnesota. He is the definition of nebbish. The only way he'd draw a crowd is if he gives away free tickets to Tim McGraw and Faith Hill.
Other than watching a bridge collapse, can anybody name something he's done?
On this date in history, July 28, 2004, the Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll showed John Kerry with 50% and President George Bush with 47%.
For final result, please see Presidential Inauguration January 2005.
( Sorry I didn't post over the weekend, but I took time off from hearing anything about this campaign.)
What's Jeb Bush up to? I expect the GOP inner circle to push his name out there. McCain's acting like GWBush anyway, and Jeb would help get GW's constituency back.
If McCain were trying to distance himself from Bush, he could do a lot better than tapping his brother as running mate. And beyond that, there isn't a whole lot that he adds to the ticket anyways.
Pawlenty just toured North Central Lower Penninsula Michigan for McCain and local newspapers all but declared him Vice President here.
Any analysis of where he actually is on the radar anyone?
Just for fun, McCain should come out with a new ad,
"Obama may talk like he understands the balance between international and domestic politics, but he is no FDR, and I knew FDR and supported his bid for the presidency."
All this points to why in my opinion, Obama should wait until the last possible minute to announce his VP choice. Obama should wait until the Democratic convention starts. Hopefully, the antsy McCain campaign will get so nervous in the next week or so that they announce their VP before the Olympics leaving Obama with an opportunity to factor in the affect Romney(or whomever McCain chooses)has on the electoral map. By waiting till the convention to announce, it would also keep Romney from going out and raising even more campaign cash than he already will in August and keep Romney on the sidelines and keep him from playing attack dog.
On this date in history, July 28, 2004, the Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll showed John Kerry with 50% and President George Bush with 47%.
For final result, please see Presidential Inauguration January 2005.
Hey, cool! Since we know all elections are absolutely identical, this is empirical proof that McCain will win!
Thanks, Jack Black! Now I don't have to waste my time with this boring election. Oh, and I loved you in Nacho Libre!
Jeb Bush will bide his time. He will be back, 2016, any bets?
Bush v. Clinton, 2016.
Wow, it seems like the trolls are getting worse and worse.
Politics brings out the best in us, eh?
I want a candidate to come out with a full cabinet, Come on McCain, give us a Romney, Pawlenty, Leiberman, maybe even throw in a Huckabee and a Palin. Cover your bases man.
Rasmussen R-VP polling, in the form of favorable/unfavorable ratings. Take the figures with a grain of salt for everyone except the former hopefuls (Romney, Huck, Lieberman), since Crist is the only other one mentioned to break 50% name recognition, and Palin barely reached 30%.
(That said, I'm surprised that Jindal is only +1. I'm trying to figure out whether I'm surprised or not re Romney's ratings.)
VP is really important in people's perception of McCain's campaign. This is the best and most distinct opportunity since Reagan of someone dying of old age in office. Someone run the numbers on that being the case if McCain were in office 8 years. There has to be mortality tables combined with stressful on the job factors that can give us a probability of the VP becoming P due to age related illness, disease and death.
The VP pick is our insurance policy.
Romney won`t help in the west since Mormons always vote republican. He won`t change the numbers in Colorado especially. He may help in Michigan but I don`t think he could deliver the state.
A lot of people don`t want a Morman a heartbeat away especially with a guy like Mccain who looks at least 80.There is a lot of anti morman feeling in the fundamentalist community.
Why have polls when you can win elections by scrubbing your opponents voters from the polls?
"In swing-state Colorado, the Republican Secretary of State conducted the biggest purge of voters in history, dumping a fifth of all registrations. Guess their color.
In swing-state Florida, the state is refusing to accept about 85,000 new registrations from voter drives – overwhelming Black voters.
In swing state New Mexico, HALF of the Democrats of Mora, a dirt poor and overwhelmingly Hispanic county, found their registrations disappeared this year, courtesy of a Republican voting contractor.
In swing states Ohio and Nevada, new federal law is knocking out tens of thousands of voters who lost their homes to foreclosure."
http://www.gregpalast.com/obama-doesn%E2%80%99t-sweat-he-should/
The liberals know they will lose this election so they are already crying fraud. WAAH!
Those new Rasmussen numbers on Republican Veep possibilities are interesting. Probably not great news for McCain, either. The two men who would actually add value to the ticket are Huckabee and Lieberman. McCain, I'm pretty sure, would rather lose the election than have Huckabee sitting a heartbeat away from him for four years. He'd love Lieberman, but the religious right would have a fit about someone who, for all his hawkishness recently, actually has a very liberal voting record in the Senate.
I think you're right, "Incoming Message," that Crist's and Palin's numbers reflect ignorance as much as anything. That said, I don't see either of them on the ballot. Crist needed to get married at least a year a go to be considered seriously, and Palin now has her "I fired the public safety commissioner after he refused to fire my ex-brother-in-law when my sister was getting a divorce"-gate scandal.
Romney's net negatives make a great deal of sense. I'll bet he'd be looking more popular now if he hadn't run for president himself. On paper, he's the ideal Republican candidate, but in person he's just not that likeable.
That would leave Pawlenty and The Exorcist. Pawlenty seems like one of the least inspired choices imaginable, but at least he fits the "first, do no harm" rule.
If McCain wins he wont be up for reelection in 12.
Higgly/Pete Kent - I'm assuming you'll be be voting for McCain, so I'm curious as to who you would like to see be the VP? (I don't mean to single either of you out, but you're the only conservative posters who come to mind that aren't currently name-calling.)While I can decipher who many democrats want to be the republican VP by perusing the posts on this thread, I have no real idea as to who actual republicans would prefer to be the VP. The punditry class is of less interest to me.
Although people like to ridicule him, I honestly feel that Huckabee would be a formidable VP pick. But perhaps I'm speaking from the bubble of the South - he's got great positives here and would really rally the base. But I would think his easy going/folksy personality would do ok in blue collar states. He also doesn't seem to be an angry baptist - he actually seems relatively compassionate and harder to paint as a bible-thumper, even if many of his supporters are more hardline. I'm not familiar with his political career beyond his emergence in the primaries, but what are his big negatives?
Can someone explain the Romney Michigan effect for me? I'm from Michigan (left after college, just like most people do), and 37 years old. I don't think that Mitt Romney has lived in Michigan during my lifetime; I know that his father finished his term as governor before I was born. So why would Michiganders have a positive opinion of Mitt Romney? Because of who his father was, 40+ years ago? That doesn't make sense to me. The only people who remember George Romney are old people, who will probably already vote for McCain.
Gallup Daily Tracking
Obama 48
McCain 40
OMG Obama is "down" in Gallup and Rasmussen today HE IS DOOOOOOOOOOMED I TELL YOU DOOOOOOOOOOMED
I love all the liberal Democratic Obama supporters saying putting Romney on the ticket would be bad. You guys seem fearful of adding this economic wizard to the GOP ticket.
Polls show more Republicans want Romney as the VP than any other ticket. McCain is already a moderate, so this should lock up the true conservative base....
And Do I care about the southern religious right vote, no... I don't think Romney will cause McCain to lose any of the southern states.
They may not like each other. But he can raise the $$$$.
MCCAIN ROMNEY 08!
Donz-
Hasn't Graham been plagued with rumors of being gay? Wouldn't that make him a less safe choice? Personally, I think he would be a good choice. Since they do seem in tune with each other, it looks like a bold choice that did not take politics under consideration.
By the way, I love the language being used today. There are some crazy, scary people looking at this site. I would say reading instead of looking, but that would be giving too much credit.
Mitt Romney - economic wizard? Ahahahahahahahahahaha!......
Ahahahahahaha!!
Americans still don't trust Hussein. He can't break 50%.
Big chunk donors are probably people for whom giving away a big chunk has next to no impact on their finances. This demographic is probably very different from the state as a whole.
I think Romney has the same problem as Hillary. McCain cannot agressively defend himself, when presented with hostile quotes from his own running mate, and a lot of "recyclable" quotes from Romney exist.
To anon at 11:16AM,
Get a life. I post this information so everybody will understand that this is just July and things can change very quickly. You sound a bit desperate "anon", I guess it is the Rasm. poll today that came out showing Obama up just 3.
MV, I for one was talking in particular about those new Rasmussen numbers, which show that Romney has national approval ratings of 42 fav-48 unfav.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/huckabee_lieberman_have_highest_favorables_among_possible_mccain_veep_choices
I'm not saying there won't be a segment of the base that loves him, and other segments of the base that don't mind him. But he doesn't look like a great prospect if McCain wants to reach out towards the center.
And campaigning against Romney's strength on the economy is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I might add that, in general-election trial heat polls from earlier this year, Obama typically beat Romney by anywhere from 9 to 23 points, at a time when McCain sometimes actually led Obama:
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen2.htm
Jen sez:
"Hasn't Graham been plagued with rumors of being gay? "
Good point, but, as you say, they're just rumors. I think that Crist might have a more credible problem along those lines than Graham.
lol,
to Bitter Typical White Person said...
Americans still don't trust Hussein. He can't break 50%.
How about mccain can't break 45%!!!
Americans still never liked McCain.
You must be a genius, where did you learn math?
Americans still don't trust McCain. He can't break 50%.
Hussein can't break 50% EVEN WITH the media fawning over him.
You're going to lose, liberals. Badly. You're only hope is a third party spoiler like Barr so he can get a liberal in with a minority of the vote, like Perot did for Clinton both times.
Liberal loons don't win on their own merits, only through spoilers.
I'm not sure Pawlenty would "do no harm," since according to his Wikipedia article he repeatedly promised to serve out his term as governor if elected. So his very first news story would be about how he broke his word.
Still, his recent movement on Intrade makes him a very likely possibility.
I know it'll never happen in a billion years, but why don't you discuss the hypothetical changes to the electoral map if Ron Paul became VP? You could get a ton of traffic from Digg :-)
Oh, and why does Romney always overshadow Huckabee on VP talks? I don't think it's required for Presidents to like their VP, and he'd probably shore up McCain's weakness among Evangelicals after throwing all those endorsements under the bus.
POLL UPDATE
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this just released today by Gallup
Gallup Daily: Obama 48%, McCain 40%
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pretty much the same as Sunday's Gallup.
better than on RR [as usual]
Random Non-Realistic Thought:
Mike Fahey, Mayor of Omaha as Obama's VP. Omaha represents NE-02 and since NE splits its electoral votes the city of Omaha is like a little state with 1 vote. While most VPs can't deliver states, a mayor (with a machine) can probably deliver a city. I know nothing about this guy and I don't think picking the mayor of a smallish city would help nationally (and would probably hurt), but I think it still is a neat bit of micro-strategy.
You can quote all the stats you want , but it won't make a silk purse out of a pig. Romney lacks character (Pro Guantanimo, Pro Torture) and thats it. General Douglas MacArthur would have given him the thumbs dumb for advocating waterboarding. Yes to Conservatives, No to Fakes.
MVRed.com said "I love all the liberal Democratic Obama supporters saying putting Romney on the ticket would be bad. You guys seem fearful of adding this economic wizard to the GOP ticket."
MVRed,
I think that we liberals are daring McCain to choose Romney, as none of us see the strength Romney supposedly offers to the ticket. Michigan? Winning the GOP primary doesn't predict delivering the state in the general. Economic prowess? Romney has been a successful businessman, but his hedge fund past presents many problems, chiefly (1) job loss as a result of his company's actions, and (2) the fact that Romney's huge hedge fund income was actually taxed at a lower rate than the incomes of most blue collar workers (which will not play well anywhere).
Romney is the candidate of Grover Nordquist, the Cato Institute and the Club for Growth, the anti-tax wing of the GOP. Does Romney have a constituency in any other faction of the GOP?
NEWS UPDATE
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our deare friend, Robert Novak, has been admitted to the hospital - with a brain tumor !
just announced on MSNBC as I typed.
not known yet if it is malignant.
wondering if this is a legal ploy to establish a defense re: Novak running into that pedestrian in DC this weekend.
this may help explain his erratic behavior & strange columns lately.
I don't think a VP makes a huge difference. I think of 1988, when there was such a stark difference in the quality of the VP candidates, and the Dems still lost.
Laffo, Mitt Romney economic wizard. I'll have to remember that one, in the meantime I'll cross my fingers that Mccain will pick him so conservatives will jump his sinking ship after they find out what happened under the wizard's reign, same sex marriage and mittcare.
Anybody else heard if McCain is announcing today or not?
Bitter Typical White Person said...
"Americans still don't trust Hussein. He can't break 50%."
Then according to your logic, they really don't trust McBush, who can't even surpass 45%.
your point?
The only ironclad benefit of Romney is increasing the margin in Utah and some extra cash for the campaign. And with the end-run McCain did on his own bill, money isn't much of an issue anymore.
His downside is pretty large though. He has video of himself on three sides of every issue in the world and sucks at debate.
For those upthread that mentioned Landstuhl as an issue that will hurt Obama. You'll be waiting a while for that ship to come in. It has no legs.
Nis jorgensen, you were very kind to share with us your unbundling of the recent Rasmussen tracking. I hope you were not discouraged by none of us discussing this further, it was very interesting and useful. I would be grateful if you could return to this and add also a verbal description of your algorithm.
Could you also please do the same for Gallup, publish the entire history on both, and send us a daily update on the current daily Rasmussen and Gallup?
We would all be very grateful,
Anonymously yours,
Humanist
ANOTHER NEWS UPDATE !!!
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John McCain made an announcement today, but not his VP.
He had another mole removed on his face today and is wearing a band-aid over it.
This is at least the 3rd time recently that he has had moles/skin cancers removed from his face. It keeps coming back...
That will renew MSM concerns about his health in general and whether he is really a good 'risk' as POTUS.
There has been a lot of talk about the Romney nom potentially locking up Nevada. I don't buy this at all. Presumably it was based on the fact that overwhelming Mormon turnout won the state for him in the GOP primary.
Needless to say, the GOP primary is not the general election. Here are the facts. McCain won't get many new voters. Mormons already turn out regularly and in overwhelming numbers. It might be reasonable to expect that in a normal election, mormon turnout would be 8 pct of overall voters and they would vote 80-20 for the GOP. Here they might be 9 pct. The extra 1% nets 0.6% of the vote (1 *(0.8-0.6)). Now, Nevada will be a close state and that might be enough to swing it, but lets not act as if that is enough to lock it down.
The real impact on this election in Nevada will be in Las Vegas. There have been large population gains there in recent years. Most of the new residents are Hispanic and/or Californians. Clark county now has about 1.9m people out of a state population of 2.5. Las Vegas is where Nevada will be won or lost.
LV has a couple of really interesting local factors. 1) Yucca mountain is extremely unpopular there. You won't hear much about it nationally, but expect Obama to pound McCain on it with thousands of Las Vegas ads.
2) The housing collapse has hit LV worse than anywhere else in the country.
3) The city's economy is almost entirely dependent on discretionary leisure spending from other states. Fancy vacations are one of the first things to go in a slowing economy. That has a multiplier effect on Las Vegas' economy.
I think that Nevada is definitely within reach for Dems. Romney could help McCain there but he won't help nearly as much as people might think.
Gallup: 48-40
The bump is magically resurrected after 538 trolls declared it dead this morning. A miracle!
with his age & health problems in general, maybe McCain should pick a VP with strong medical credentials.
How about Bill Frist ?
He was a majority leader for the GOP in the Senate, is a qualified MD, wanted to be POTUS, he is a good age demo [56] for McCain, and could be an effective attack dog.
Of course Novak's tumor is malignant. All of Novak is malignant.
"And didn't that stupid NIGGER Jermaine complain a few posts later about trolls spewing BULL SHIT on this site. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Well, I'll call a NIGGER a NIGGER and a HYPOCRITE too."
Sorry, I don't spew racist epithets and try to murder children. Thanks for making my point for me...
"Higgly/Pete Kent"
are they one and the same ?
still developing...
USAT/Gallup:
Obama 45, McCain 49
Gallup tracking, Obama +8
Uhm LOL
They have him down by 4 now?! I'm now convinced that polling is pointless.
"Then according to your logic, they really don't trust McBush, who can't even surpass 45%.
your point?"
OK, let me Spell. It. Out. For. You.
If your reasoning that Obama isn't trusted by Americans is that he isn't hitting the 50% mark...if that is your measure of trust/support, then certainly, someone who is hitting lower marks than him is less trusted.
I don't think that is hard to understand. Americans don't trust politicians, period. Methinks they know McAdultery better than many think and what they know isn't good. Hence, they trust HIM even less than they do Obama.
Not sure how that is so hard to understand.
Research 2000 has Obama up 12 points, BTW, and in that McSame isn't even cracking 40.
http://www.dailykos.com/
McCain is ahead now, liberals!
Face it they don't want to elect a racist who won't visit the troops.
The Republican resurgeance starts NOW!
McCain's A-4 was facing the F-4 that launch the Zuni. The conpiracy that McCain wet lit his engine onto the F-4 is on its face impossible given the location of the planes on the deck and what they were doing at the time of the fire. You people are going to have to better than this.
Romney-McCain? I see plusses and minuses.
One thing is clear; Romney would be a great president. He is an outstanding leader with a clear track record of fixing serious problems. He did this in business. He did this with the Olympics and he did this in Massachusetts.
Gallup is ridiculous.
They have Obama behind by 4 with USA TODAY and Obama + 8 with the tracking.
Seriously, Gallup now loses much credibility.
The USA TODAY poll still shows Obama up 3 with registered voters. They are using a likely voter screen that heavily favors McCain.
Keep rationalizing liberals nut there is no bounce. You should be killing McCain BUT YOU AREN'T.
You should've nominated Hillary!LOL!
Based on ONE poll of five or six Obama got no bounce, including one from the same organization that shows him UP 8 today?
Oy, clearly logic is not a requirement today.
Let's see where this goes, huh? But I wouldn't get so confident given that Obama is up by quite a bit in other polls.
The USA TODAY poll was also only 900 RVs/791 LVs.
If you take the weighted average of the last four polls (Rasmussen, Gallup, USA TODAY, Research2000), Obama still has a substantial lead.
There was definitely a bounce.
IT means its anybody's race to lose. You aren't running away with it like you should be!
Hillary would be up +12, but you chose a far, far left loony candidate with toxic assosciations.
No, USA Today/Gallup says he's winning. The Gallup tracking shows Obama winning.
The only way they can show a McCain 'lead' is if they fuck with the numbers enough to filter out Obama voters. It's pretty sad that this is what the GOP has been reduced to pinning your hopes on. You guys are pretty fucked. LOL.
I'm noticing the sample size on that USA Today/Gallup 791 vs. 3000 for the Gallup tracking. That's kind of small for a national poll.
While one can't discount a poll because it doesn't have one's candidate leading I'd be VERY curious to see the cross-tabs. That might help us key in on if it was a represenative sample or not.
Republican voters vote more than Democrat voters.
Obama is relying on children and blacks, two groups that ALWAYS have lower turnout.
Get ready to be dissapointed, liberals.
Does USA Today post crosstabs anywhere?
Any current poll asking what they think of Clinton v. Obama is meaningless. It is utterly hypothetical at this point in time. You don't know what would have happened or what would have been said in the interim to change the polling.
I bet if Obama lost, he'd be higher up over mcCain than Clinton in the polls now, too.
One outlier poll with a small sample size doesn't change the reality that Obama is still ahead.
Gallup looks silly with this poll. It is such an obvious outlier it can`t be taken seriously.
It seems that Gallups corporate client said get me a poll showing McCain winning so people will keep tuning in.
The difference this year is Obama`s people are enthused and McCains are not, It won`t even be close.
Hey guys, instead of responding to the troll, why don't you write an e-mail to Nate asking him to change the comment system and assign moderators? Given the racist bile posted upthread, it seems we're beyond the point where such action is necessary.
Matthew write:
"While one can't discount a poll because it doesn't have one's candidate leading I'd be VERY curious to see the cross-tabs. That might help us key in on if it was a represenative sample or not."
According to the article, "Who is a likely voter? In this poll, Frank [Newport] says, that was determined by how much thought people have given to the election, how often they say they vote and whether they plan to vote in the election in November.
"He says the number of likely GOP voters is up for now, probably in part because of Obama's trip and the 'laudatory" media coverage of it. 'At least in the short term it may have had the side effect of energizing Republicans,' he says. Also, he says that McCain's sharp words about Obama and the media last week may have energized his faithful.
Thus, Newport skewed his poll towards Republican voters on the _belief_ that McCain's "faithful" _may_ have been energized.
In other words, a outlier based on wholly-suspect assumptions.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/
Keep whining liberals. As Dick Morris said the media is for Obama, but voters are SPLIT!
"I'm noticing the sample size on that USA Today/Gallup 791 vs. 3000 for the Gallup tracking. That's kind of small for a national poll."
It doesn't matter whether it's a poll of the U.S. or a poll of Albuquerque or a poll of China, the sampling error with a random sample of 791 respondents is the same: 3.5.
Frank Newport of Gallup also commented that the difference between the polls could be "statistical noise". Uh, really?
So, are folks saying that they didn't weight the poll for actual party ID?
Mark, it does matter - if it were a sample of 791 people, there would not be any error!
Obama has flamed out and apears to be at the start of a nose dive. Between todays Rass, todays USA/Gallup and last weeks state releases Obama is in major trouble. The bounce from last weeks world follies is over and Americans are showing they aren't fulled by the spit shine the media has put on BO. "Republican presidential candidate John McCain moved from being behind by 6 points among "likely" voters a month ago to a 4-point lead over Democrat Barack Obama among that group in the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. McCain still trails slightly among the broader universe of "registered" voters. By both measures, the race is tight.
The Friday-Sunday poll, mostly conducted as Obama was returning from his much-publicized overseas trip and released just this hour, shows McCain now ahead 49%-45% among voters that Gallup believes are most likely to go to the polls in November. In late June, he was behind among likely voters, 50%-44%."
I think I can take one poll every two months showing the opposing candidate ahead, especially when a different poll conducted on the same three days by the same company shows my candidate ahead by 8 points.
Again, this is why we're averaging polls, not reading each poll that emerges as proof of a new twist in the narrative.
As Dick Morris said the media is for Obama, but voters are SPLIT!
Dick Morris? Seriously? The man has no prognostication skills.
BTW, you are wrong, a new study out of George Mason university shows that Media coverage was actually MORE favorable to McCain than Obama.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story
The question now is how far will Obama fall now that he has hit his peak and stumbled?
Will he bring the Democrat Congress down with him?
That also means you should take the Obama lead in the Gallup trackers with a huge pinch of salt.
McCain VP:
The West -
Colorado - Former Gov Owens has John Edward's problem. Former Sen Hank Brown is too old. Allard too dull. Colorado will swing to anti-Washington, good government. Obama has claimed the outsider. Every mormom in the state is already voting McCain, Romney adds nothing, but upsets Focus on the Family down in the Springs.
New Mexico - Deminici is too old. The state's R base will energize like Colorado's for an outsider.
Nevada - No obvious homeboy for VP. Romney adds nothing because the LDS is already delivered Red. Romney's money could help McCain's national numbers, but if the VP is for sale, can't we think of other GOP billionaires - Forbes? The state could turn on Nuclear waste storage or the fact that they can't drive 55.
Montana - You can't go homeboy for 3 EVs. Montana is more like Colorado. Bosman is a Boulder, Telluride, Aspen clone town. McCain needs an Anti-Washington crudader from anywhere but the East Coast for Colorado, New Mexico, Montana and Nevada. They hate 55 too, like NV, CO and NM.
McCain need to keep attack on liberal energy politics - don't drill in any Blue state's backyard for anything, if you have to drill then do it in those square red states, make everyone drive 55, since we already do in Massachusetts. McCain needs to get a cowboy hat and remember he's from Arizona not DC.
Midwest
Ohio - McCain's got to win Ohio, period. Even if he wins Michigan by some miracle, he's to exposed in too many other places to give 3 in that trade and try to block the Kerry + 3. Portman may make sense, but he doesn nothing for the West or the South. But he's kind of dull.
Michigan - I don't buy Romney delivering Michigan. Ohio, Michigan and even PA are about losing jobs to the Chinese. And the only game McCain has is to force Obama to choose between Gore (10 years to no carbon and 25% unemployment in Ohio) or keeping USA's energy cost below China's. American workers can't beat Chinese low labor cost with productivity AND do it with Loony Left Energy at 25 cent a kilowatthour, while the Chinese burn the $50 per barrel oil (after the USA's consumption comes offline if a Loony Left Moon Shot energy actual worked).
McCain must divide the Democrats and force them to choose between Far Left Greens or Ohio/Michigan workers.
I think Wisconsin and Minnesota are too far gone.
Iowa - Its time to force Obama to choose between his pro-Ethanol Illinois past and his anti-corn is starving the world's poor but Cuban sugar isn't fellow traveling Left.
The East
New Hampshire - If McCain can't win New Hampshire, what possible GOP VP could?
The South
Virginia - A legit Christian Conservative probably brings Virginia back home. Virginia is a rear guard action.
North Carolina - If you are picking a VP to defend NC the game is lost.
I can't think of anyone that fits the bill. T Boone if he were 55. Isn't there a GOPPER left in America that hates DC?
Double post.
Anyway, FYI USA TODAY/GALLUP is the one of the worst performing polls.
29th weight out of 32
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/03/pollster-ratings-updated.html
You left wind bloggers need to get over this and except that this poll is trying to tell you something.
Everybody keeps pointing to Democracy Corps and Research 2000, 2 Democratic Polls by the way. This USA Today Poll shows a MASSIVE loss of support for Obama, and a MASSIVE swing of support to MCCAIN.
Again, it is experience over "Yes we can." By the way, if McCain was down 11 points like some of the other two polls show, he would be losing in a 50 state landslide, so I would look at the other 2 polls as totally suspect.
I'm sure we will here from NATE on this poll and what exactly it means. Until then, all you left wingers please don't jump out of your window.
Wait until the night of November 4, 2008, when McCain wins in a landslide.
Obama and the Democrat Party is bleeding support. Should've nominated Hillary!
This poll does appear to be an outlier. Before conservatives get too upset over me saying this, I should point out that the poll that has him up by 9 appears to be an outlier as well.
It appears that not much has changed over the last week or so. That might imply the trip was a failure. I disagree. I think the trip was intended to set the pieces for the fall debate more than to get a temporary bounce.
The averages still show Obama winning, but not by much. It is moderately funny how both sides claim to think that certain polls that favor the other guy are outliers while the ones favoring their guy are not.
I do wish Gallup would release the crosstabs on this poll. I have a big question about the technicalities of their likely voter screen since it seems to imply that registered voters not likely to vote are almost all Democrats. That would really be out of character with nearly all signs (primary turnout, fundraising, rally attendance) that show that the Democratic base is far more enthusiastic than the Republican base.
Predicting exactly who is a "likely" voter is one of the toughest things in the polling business. All firms do it differently. It even appears Gallup is using different methodology on its two polls.
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