I caught the following ad here on this website and a couple of others:
That's a little weird. Kaine's not up for re-election this year -- and he won't be up for re-election in 2010 since Virginia governors cannot serve more than one consecutive term. In fact, Kaine would seem to be one of the more star-crossed politicians around. Once Mark Warner wins his race and joins Jim Webb in the Senate, the earliest Kaine could plausibly run for that office would be ... 2018, assuming that Webb had been defeated in 2012 (of course, Webb might also have Presidential ambitions that year). Kaine could also run for governor again in 2014, although just one Virginia governor since Reconstruction has ever pulled a Cleveland. Or he could run for the House, but it's fairly unorthodox for an ex-Governor to do so.
The point is, if Kaine has long-term political aspirations and doesn't want a big gap in his resume, it behooves him to hitch his star to Barack Obama and hope for a job in his administration: that and Chairman of the DNC would seem to be the only reasonably high-profile jobs available to him between 2010 and at least 2014.
One of those cabinet jobs, of course, is that of the Vice President; Kaine presently ranks fifth in the Intrade Democratic Veepstakes, behind only Kathleen Sebelius, Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. "FIRED UP FOR CHANGE"? It practically seems like he's campaigning for the position, as the ad feels like one of those Heisman Trophy PR kits.
Of all the prospective Democratic VP nominees, Kaine may have the fewest obvious drawbacks. The only problem is that he isn't all that popular in the state he is supposed to help Barack Obama to carry -- Virginia. In a Rasmussen poll conducted last week, 50 percent of Virginian likely voters rated Kaine's performance as "fair" or "poor", as opposed to 48 percent who rated it "good" or "excellent". And his numbers were even worse among independent voters: 58 percent "fair" or "poor" against 37 percent "good" or "excellent". A major turning point was the end of the Virginia General Assembly session earlier this month, which ended in gridlock as the Assembly failed to pass a significant roadway funding bill and to fill vacancies on the Virginia Supreme Court.
I don't mean to throw the guy under the bus; he's a good public servant and might be second in line behind John Edwards for the Attorney General position (or maybe first, if the Drudge Report gossip about Edwards is true). But if Obama picks Kaine to be his VP, it should be for reasons other than his ability to carry Virginia.
7.23.2008
Raising Kaine?
by Nate Silver @ 3:03 AM...see also vice president, virginia
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Isn't he pro-life? That seems like it could be a little risky given how the Democratic Primary ended.
As I predicted, the top possible VPs, at least according to Intrade, don't excite me at all. On the other hand, there aren't that many that do.
If he's pro-life, I doubt that'd be a great problem as the VP doesn't exactly have a big say in matters of abortion. Given McCain's multitude of sexist comments, no sane feminist is going to drop Obama because of a pro-life VP. It might be a bigger issue for the AG position, though.
"One of those cabinet jobs, of course, is that of the Vice President." The Vice-President is not a member of the cabinet. Being a member of the cabinet involves a variety of things, such as the necessity of the approval of Congress and the ability for the President to fire the person.
Tim Kaine has been the most obvious choice for Obama's VP to me. I'll be shocked if he isn't the one. He has executive experience, is a Catholic from a southern state, he's youthful, but slightly older than Obama. The most important thing though is that he is well liked in VA and I believe the Obama camp is counting on turning VA blue.
Kaine's term ends in '09, not '10 - Virginia's gubernatorial elections happen in off-years.
The effect of reapportionment on the 2012 election will be very interesting. It appears that the demographic shifts in the country substantially favor Republicans when it comes to electoral politics.
http://www.polidata.org/census/st007nca.pdf
Those 2010 estimates are made in fairly arbitrary fashion - a two year simple average.
I doubt that MN and CA will be losing a seat, and I doubt that SC and OR will be gaining one. And TX may gain 3 seats but 4 is unlikely...Illinois will more likely avoid a seat loss.
Webb still may be veep. He said he wouldn`t but if Obama said he needed him and webb thought they would win he would take it despite saying he isn`t interested.
If that was to happen, Kaine would replace him, maybe with someone who would only stay until a new election and then Kaine could run.
I am pro-life too -what's the big deal.
Kaine's a member of Democrats for Life for America. That group does not endorse any candidate that is not solidly anti-choice, so Kaine would have to quit to be V.P. Although he was not responsible for the horrid Virginia "partial birth abortion" law that was struck down recently as unconstitutional by a federal court, his AG did defend it. He says he's also against the death penalty as a matter of principle ... except he's signed death warrants. I can't imagine that, after the bitter fight with Clinton and her supporters, it's helpful to Obama to signal that his administration would be willing to sell women out.
News reports hold that the PAC in the ad, "Moving Virginia Forward", may have been key in winning the state Senate:
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When it comes to political campaigns and the partisan balance of power, Kaine plays tackle, never two-hand touch. His political action committee, Moving Virginia Forward, staked Democratic challengers in the seven most fiercely contested Senate races to more than $800,000 last fall. Four of them won, and it cost the GOP its Senate majority.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--transportationflo0712jul12,0,4081981.story
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So it is entirely possible that Kaine is pushing this campaign in order to have a much stronger hand in Virginia itself, in order to pass an agenda that Republicans have solidly opposed.
Maybe it really is about Virginia. It should at least be considered.
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I understand the logic of your statement, but the Veep is considered part of the cabinet. (See wikipedia or whitehouse.gov)
I wonder if there is any data to quantify which states would get most behind a native son V.P. Ohio has a (ancient) history of being the birthplace of presidents, but hasn't seen a serious contender is some time. I know of some Dems who were kind of excited about John Boehner getting a leadership position.
Kaine CAN'T run for REELECTION. Virginia's constitution does not allow governors to succeed themselves. That's why Mark Warner is a one-term governor. ;-)
Might it be a problem to have two Harvard Law graduates on the same ticket? It would seem to open the door for Rovian out-of-touch attacks
Mithras said...
Kaine's a member of Democrats for Life for America. That group does not endorse any candidate that is not solidly anti-choice, so Kaine would have to quit to be V.P. Although he was not responsible for the horrid Virginia "partial birth abortion" law that was struck down recently as unconstitutional by a federal court, his AG did defend it. He says he's also against the death penalty as a matter of principle ... except he's signed death warrants. I can't imagine that, after the bitter fight with Clinton and her supporters, it's helpful to Obama to signal that his administration would be willing to sell women out.
A few things. First off, the AG is a Republican, elected by the people of VA. Secondly, he says he's against the death penalty, but if that's the law he'll follow it. I don't fault him for it, because digging in his heels isn't going to overturn the law and would just piss a lot of people off.
But I do agree than an anti-choice VP would be a BAD idea.
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Might it be a problem to have two Harvard Law graduates on the same ticket? It would seem to open the door for Rovian out-of-touch attacks
I don't think those are going to work this cycle. Call Obama elitist did not sink him in the primary, and he doesn't give off that air like Kerry did.
You didn't post a link--what is Drudge saying about Edwards? That he's going to be the VP pick or that there's some reason he won't get the AG position?
I've been pretty involved in VA democratic politics for several years and everything that I've heard about Kaine is that he doesn't have aspirations for a higher office.
Personally I like the guy and have met him several times, that said he hasn't been able to accomplish his #1 objective and that's passing a comprehensive transportation and transit package for the Commonwealth. He was just stymied by the Republican controlled House of Delegates in a special session last month which was the result of the previous transportation legislation being overturned in the Virginia Supreme Court.
I don't think that Kaine would necessarily help Obama in VA nor do I think Webb would, neither are as popular in the state of Virginia as they seem to be among analysts from out of state. Mark Warner is extremely popular and I think he's Obama's best shot at winning Virginia because if Obama wins there it will, I believe, be the result of Mark Warner's coat tails not the other way around because he's so insanely popular.
Jim Webb would be a great VP except there is no democrat who could realistically replace him (not to mention that Jim Webb won in large part because George Allen absolutely imploded). Tim Kaine would be succeeded by a Republican if he were to take a Vice Presidential slot.
While many democrats are excited about the prospect of Virginia going blue this election (as I am). There needs to be a realization that Virginia Democrats tend to be more centrist and even conservative on many issues and are not, I repeat not very liberal at all. Indeed, Warner, Kaine and Webb are all more moderate Democrats who were either Fiscally moderate like Warner or more Socially moderate like Kaine.
This doesn't mean that all is lost, but as far as the Vice Presidential slot is concerned I think it's best to look towards the plains states (Kathleen Sibelius) or the Southwest (Bill Richardson).
Obama may well win Virginia yet after all we were the first state to elect an African American Governor, Doug Wilder, and I sincerely hope he does. But if Obama wins Virginia then I think he will have defeated McCain by a substantially larger margin than have occurred in the 2000 or '04 elections.
Nate: "But if Obama picks Kaine to be his VP, it should be for reasons other than his ability to carry Virginia."
Besides, Mark Warner is already performing the function of a Virginia running mate. He is popular and has build a great voter file.
There is nothing to be gained electorally by selecting a Virginian for Vice President.
There are other reasons to select Tim Kaine though. His personality is great: team player, low key, no drama. Kaine might have appeal to Catholic voters and he is competent.
I too am curious Nate: which Edwards gossip are you referring to? Are you referring to the drudge report that he's on the VP short list? Or that he's having an affair with the mother of his illicit child?
Kaine, whose term as VA governor expires in January 2010, needn't publicly maneuver to be considered by Obama for VP. They already have a long-standing relationship. This promotional blitz is more likely about state politics.
As other commenters have noted, Kaine's transportation package was stymied by Republicans in the state legislature. The issue will be joined again when the legislature meets in January, and, assuming the GOP continues to stonewall, transportation will be a big issue in the elections for governor and state House of Delegates in November 2009. The GOP currently has a 55-45 majority in the House, and could lose control if traffic-clogged Northern VA and Hampton Roads (Norfolk area) swing to the Dems.
FWIW, I think this ad is Kaine's introductory video for his speech the state Democratic convention (or nearly the same; I remember that one as having more "see how good I look next to Barack Obama" shots.) That may explain its heavy focus on how great Democrats are doing in Virginia, but it doesn't do any more to explain the purpose of running it as a web ad.
One more thing that I forgot to mention that would make Kaine interesting, geographically speaking, is that he's from Missouri, and went to Undergrad in Missouri.
So if he were the VP he could potentially help out in two states that are on the fence.
Eh, I doubt Kaine will help much in VA or Missouri. The only candidate that will help in any particular state is Bayh in Indiana. He's popular, he was a popular governor, and his family is very popular there. I read an article that Hoosiers have a bit of an inferiority complex and it can't hurt that it might be a sense of pride to send a born and bread Indianan to the White House.
On a side note, I'm pretty sure Eric Holder is the front runner for AG (or at least number 2.)
Except for the fluke of Agnew. There hasn't been a winning candidate, who didn't win his state plus the state of his VP.
So if Obama is going to win isn't it most likely that the VP is going to be from a state that is currently blue?
If Kaine on doesn't guarantee VA is blue, then he probably isn't the right choice. I'd like to see odds that Obama wins without winning VA.
Or here is a different kind of analysis, building on Nearest neighbor/ State Similarity. I'd previously posted there that you could treat US as a unit and see what states would be the US's nearest neighbors. Here is a different spin. Take the currently blue states as a unit. What States are the nearest neighbors to the current Obama likely win states considered as an aggrgated unit?
I'm still hoping for Mark Warner. I think he'd give Obama a huge chance at winning VA and I think Obama wins the election if he wins VA.
I know Warner is up big in his senate race - but I think the Dems could still win that race without him - especially with Warner as VP - as that would bring out a lot of DEMS voting down the ticket.
no sane feminist is going to drop Obama because of a pro-life VP.
but what about the, er, less-sane feminists? It's not so much that they make up a huge proportion of the electorate, but I doubt Obama wants to be "swift-boated" from the left.
Mithras, you clearly don't know a lot about Virginia politics for someone speaking so authoritatively. The Virginia Attorney General is a Republican, and is an elected official, not a political appointee. Kaine got stuck with McDonnell, who beat the Democratic nominee in a race so close it went to a recount. The Lt. Governor also is a Republican. Also, Kaine is personally anti-abortion, but he does support access to legal abortions. Indeed, he was attacked by the NRO on the abortion issue during the gubbentatorial campaign.
If Webb does end up pursuing the VP role, I assume Kaine would appoint himself to the remainder of Webb's term. True, we would have a Republican governor for the remainder of Kaine's term, but it's *only* one year until the next gubenatorial election. Plus, there's the added benefit of the incumbent being held responsible for the traffic gridlock. Works for me.
No Kaine as VP! Why? Simply because if he leaves, the lt. governor, Bolling, a right-wing Republican, becomes governor. There is no way Tim Kaine allows that to happen to a state that is turning more blue every day. Thank goodness.
My take over at RaisingKaine:
Sebelius for VP
Kaine has talked out both sides of his mouth on climate change and on mountaintop removal. He also supported the building of a new coal-fired power plant in VA. This hurt Kaine among the Democratic community in VA and also among the progressive netroots.
He should, under no circumstances, be Barack Obama's nominee.
peace,
faithfull
Correction: Kaine is up for re-election in 2009, not 2010. Virginia has off-year elections for Governor. He could run again in 2013 if he wanted to.
This isn't really all that surprising, as Kaine just had a rocky special session over transportation funding. This is aimed at boosting Kaine's popularity, and aiding Democratic candidates for State House/Senate in the 2009 elections, along with whomever wins the Democratic Nomination (there are two good candidates).
Kaine would be a decent pick for Obama. He's an experienced executive--he's been Governor, Lt. Gov. (not an unsubstantial post in VA), and Mayor of Richmond. Lots of executive experience there. He's a Catholic, and on good terms with the Church. Yes, he's pro-life, as he says he has religious objections to it, but he's not for bans. He wants to reduce the number of abortions--the Jim Wallis plan--so he's probably tolerable to NARAL/Emily's List. He'd be a decent pick. That said, I doubt he's the running mate. I bet Obama goes with Bayh.
Also on the "his AG did defend it," that's a bunch of bullshit. Attorney General is an elected position in Virginia, as it is in most states. The Attorney General of Virginia is a Republican who Kaine opposed in the 2005 elections, and not a Kaine ally.
Finally, Bolling becoming Governor is probably the best thing that could happen to Virginia Democrats. The Republicans have settled on McDonnell. But if Bolling is the sitting Governor, you're guaranteed a divisive primary for a full-term...and should Bolling end up winning, there's no way he gets elected against either of the two candidates set to run. He's too right-wing. McDonnell would have a chance though...
I've been saying for about 6 weeks now that Kaine will be Obama's VP.
People may downplay the advantage Kaine will bring to Obama in VA, but note that VA is about the "swingy-est" state of all this fall, and carries a substantial 13 EV. If Kaine helps even a little, VA swings blue for the first time in a generation and Obama's prospects for winning look a lot better.
Also, he was a huge Obama supporter from the very beginning and seems to wholeheartedly support Obama's change message. He is also a spanish-speaking Catholic, Harvard-educated Lawyer who grew up in his father's metalworking buisness outside of Kansas City. He can help Obama win the center, and Catholics, and is a good no-drama 2nd in command guy that will help carry Obama's message of a new post-partisian, religion-friendly, social-policy oriented face of the democratic party, that can build pragmatic majorities in order to face our major collective problems.
Obama will not pick a drama king/queen as his VP, nor will he pick someone with whom he disagrees on a basic level.
He will pick Tim Kaine. It's been obvious to me for weeks now.
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