Wednesday, July 23, 2008

Raising Kaine?

I caught the following ad here on this website and a couple of others:



That's a little weird. Kaine's not up for re-election this year -- and he won't be up for re-election in 2010 since Virginia governors cannot serve more than one consecutive term. In fact, Kaine would seem to be one of the more star-crossed politicians around. Once Mark Warner wins his race and joins Jim Webb in the Senate, the earliest Kaine could plausibly run for that office would be ... 2018, assuming that Webb had been defeated in 2012 (of course, Webb might also have Presidential ambitions that year). Kaine could also run for governor again in 2014, although just one Virginia governor since Reconstruction has ever pulled a Cleveland. Or he could run for the House, but it's fairly unorthodox for an ex-Governor to do so.

The point is, if Kaine has long-term political aspirations and doesn't want a big gap in his resume, it behooves him to hitch his star to Barack Obama and hope for a job in his administration: that and Chairman of the DNC would seem to be the only reasonably high-profile jobs available to him between 2010 and at least 2014.

One of those cabinet jobs, of course, is that of the Vice President; Kaine presently ranks fifth in the Intrade Democratic Veepstakes, behind only Kathleen Sebelius, Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. "FIRED UP FOR CHANGE"? It practically seems like he's campaigning for the position, as the ad feels like one of those Heisman Trophy PR kits.

Of all the prospective Democratic VP nominees, Kaine may have the fewest obvious drawbacks. The only problem is that he isn't all that popular in the state he is supposed to help Barack Obama to carry -- Virginia. In a Rasmussen poll conducted last week, 50 percent of Virginian likely voters rated Kaine's performance as "fair" or "poor", as opposed to 48 percent who rated it "good" or "excellent". And his numbers were even worse among independent voters: 58 percent "fair" or "poor" against 37 percent "good" or "excellent". A major turning point was the end of the Virginia General Assembly session earlier this month, which ended in gridlock as the Assembly failed to pass a significant roadway funding bill and to fill vacancies on the Virginia Supreme Court.

I don't mean to throw the guy under the bus; he's a good public servant and might be second in line behind John Edwards for the Attorney General position (or maybe first, if the Drudge Report gossip about Edwards is true). But if Obama picks Kaine to be his VP, it should be for reasons other than his ability to carry Virginia.

36 comments

Jeff said...

Isn't he pro-life? That seems like it could be a little risky given how the Democratic Primary ended.

As I predicted, the top possible VPs, at least according to Intrade, don't excite me at all. On the other hand, there aren't that many that do.

Narmacil said...

If he's pro-life, I doubt that'd be a great problem as the VP doesn't exactly have a big say in matters of abortion. Given McCain's multitude of sexist comments, no sane feminist is going to drop Obama because of a pro-life VP. It might be a bigger issue for the AG position, though.

SarahLawrenceScott said...

"One of those cabinet jobs, of course, is that of the Vice President." The Vice-President is not a member of the cabinet. Being a member of the cabinet involves a variety of things, such as the necessity of the approval of Congress and the ability for the President to fire the person.

Bryan said...

Tim Kaine has been the most obvious choice for Obama's VP to me. I'll be shocked if he isn't the one. He has executive experience, is a Catholic from a southern state, he's youthful, but slightly older than Obama. The most important thing though is that he is well liked in VA and I believe the Obama camp is counting on turning VA blue.

RichardPlatypus said...

Kaine's term ends in '09, not '10 - Virginia's gubernatorial elections happen in off-years.

Blissfully Ignorant said...

The effect of reapportionment on the 2012 election will be very interesting. It appears that the demographic shifts in the country substantially favor Republicans when it comes to electoral politics.

http://www.polidata.org/census/st007nca.pdf

Anonymous said...

Those 2010 estimates are made in fairly arbitrary fashion - a two year simple average.

I doubt that MN and CA will be losing a seat, and I doubt that SC and OR will be gaining one. And TX may gain 3 seats but 4 is unlikely...Illinois will more likely avoid a seat loss.

Anonymous said...

Webb still may be veep. He said he wouldn`t but if Obama said he needed him and webb thought they would win he would take it despite saying he isn`t interested.
If that was to happen, Kaine would replace him, maybe with someone who would only stay until a new election and then Kaine could run.

crappamundi said...

I am pro-life too -what's the big deal.

Mithras said...

Kaine's a member of Democrats for Life for America. That group does not endorse any candidate that is not solidly anti-choice, so Kaine would have to quit to be V.P. Although he was not responsible for the horrid Virginia "partial birth abortion" law that was struck down recently as unconstitutional by a federal court, his AG did defend it. He says he's also against the death penalty as a matter of principle ... except he's signed death warrants. I can't imagine that, after the bitter fight with Clinton and her supporters, it's helpful to Obama to signal that his administration would be willing to sell women out.

El Cid said...

News reports hold that the PAC in the ad, "Moving Virginia Forward", may have been key in winning the state Senate:

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When it comes to political campaigns and the partisan balance of power, Kaine plays tackle, never two-hand touch. His political action committee, Moving Virginia Forward, staked Democratic challengers in the seven most fiercely contested Senate races to more than $800,000 last fall. Four of them won, and it cost the GOP its Senate majority.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--transportationflo0712jul12,0,4081981.story
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So it is entirely possible that Kaine is pushing this campaign in order to have a much stronger hand in Virginia itself, in order to pass an agenda that Republicans have solidly opposed.

Maybe it really is about Virginia. It should at least be considered.

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Dennis said...

SarahLawrenceScott:
I understand the logic of your statement, but the Veep is considered part of the cabinet. (See wikipedia or whitehouse.gov)

I wonder if there is any data to quantify which states would get most behind a native son V.P. Ohio has a (ancient) history of being the birthplace of presidents, but hasn't seen a serious contender is some time. I know of some Dems who were kind of excited about John Boehner getting a leadership position.

Dave Solimini said...

Kaine CAN'T run for REELECTION. Virginia's constitution does not allow governors to succeed themselves. That's why Mark Warner is a one-term governor. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Might it be a problem to have two Harvard Law graduates on the same ticket? It would seem to open the door for Rovian out-of-touch attacks

John said...

Mithras said...
Kaine's a member of Democrats for Life for America. That group does not endorse any candidate that is not solidly anti-choice, so Kaine would have to quit to be V.P. Although he was not responsible for the horrid Virginia "partial birth abortion" law that was struck down recently as unconstitutional by a federal court, his AG did defend it. He says he's also against the death penalty as a matter of principle ... except he's signed death warrants. I can't imagine that, after the bitter fight with Clinton and her supporters, it's helpful to Obama to signal that his administration would be willing to sell women out.

A few things. First off, the AG is a Republican, elected by the people of VA. Secondly, he says he's against the death penalty, but if that's the law he'll follow it. I don't fault him for it, because digging in his heels isn't going to overturn the law and would just piss a lot of people off.

But I do agree than an anti-choice VP would be a BAD idea.

John said...

Anonymous said...
Might it be a problem to have two Harvard Law graduates on the same ticket? It would seem to open the door for Rovian out-of-touch attacks

I don't think those are going to work this cycle. Call Obama elitist did not sink him in the primary, and he doesn't give off that air like Kerry did.

Howie said...

You didn't post a link--what is Drudge saying about Edwards? That he's going to be the VP pick or that there's some reason he won't get the AG position?

Mitchell said...

I've been pretty involved in VA democratic politics for several years and everything that I've heard about Kaine is that he doesn't have aspirations for a higher office.

Personally I like the guy and have met him several times, that said he hasn't been able to accomplish his #1 objective and that's passing a comprehensive transportation and transit package for the Commonwealth. He was just stymied by the Republican controlled House of Delegates in a special session last month which was the result of the previous transportation legislation being overturned in the Virginia Supreme Court.

I don't think that Kaine would necessarily help Obama in VA nor do I think Webb would, neither are as popular in the state of Virginia as they seem to be among analysts from out of state. Mark Warner is extremely popular and I think he's Obama's best shot at winning Virginia beca