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7.02.2008

Irresponsible Journalism Alert

It took more than four months, but something finally beat out the Vicki Iseman story for its sheer chutzpah and utter irresponsibility.

The culprit is this piece from the Washington Post, which alleges that Barack Obama received a "discount" on his 30-year home mortgage when he purchased his house in Hyde Park in 2005. Obama's mortgage rate was 5.625 percent; the Washington Post cites databases stating that the average rate on comparable properties was 5.93 percent.

So Obama's rate was 30 basis points better than the average. However, the amount of the loan and the nature of the property are not the only factors that determine a mortgage rate. Another major consideration is the creditworthiness of the borrower. According to current rate quotes from myFICO.com, a borrower with very good credit can expect a mortgage rate about 30 basis points better than someone with pretty good credit, and a borrower with excellent credit can expect about a 50 basis point discount.

Unless the Washington Post has access to Obama's FICO score -- and unless it has rented an apartment to him, it probably doesn't -- it is missing a pretty important piece of information on what Obama's mortgage rate ought to have been. What was Obama's FICO score? I don't know, but considering that...

* Obama had just gotten a $2.27 million book deal from Random House -- about $1 million more than the value of the mortgage.
* The Obamas each had exceptionally secure jobs that paid them a combined annual salary of about $500,000 per year.
* The Obamas had just sold their condo, on which they had realized a $137,500 profit.
* The Obamas were prominent public figures whose political futures depended in part on maintaining a reputation for responsibility and trustworthiness.
* The Obamas are known to be relatively thrifty and have no credit card debt but substantial savings.

...I would think that the Obamas were exceptionally creditworthy. So indeed, Obama received a "discount" -- the same discount that any borrower in his position would have received.

And, yes, I apologize for being a little off-subject (and running three media-bashing pieces in a row), but one of the things that ties together my work over here and my work at Baseball Prospectus is that I want the media to be smarter and more accountable when they cite statistical information, be it mortgage rates or polling numbers or batting averages. This article was neither smart nor accountable. It's the equivalent of noting that Alex Rodriguez has a batting average 40 points better than the league average, and using that to infer that the umpires were biased in his favor.

80 comments

Ron Hussein said...

That really is a hatchet job of an article.

Anonymous said...

You're so right, Nate, the umps are totally biased in ARod's favor.

jsh1120 said...

Good catch, Nate. I just finished reading the article in question and came away with an identical impression. In view of the fact that the Obama family represented an unusually good credit risk, it's hardly surprising that they should have received a "better than average" mortgage rate.

How does the reporter think an "average" comes about?

P.S. This example supports a comment I just added on another thread about the challenges of teaching statistical methods to journalism undergraduates.

AxelDC said...

This article severely damaged my respect for the WaPo. I don't understand their logic of publishing it. It shows deep ignorance about mortgages that every homeowner should understand.

The only justification for this article is to provide "balance" for the articles savaging the McCains for not paying property tax on one of their 9 homes. That's not corruption, just deeply irresponsible.

greg said...

Ugh. I manage the website for a small conservative government watchdog group. I had just read the first two paragraphs of this when my boss came in and said, "There's an article in the WaPo about how Obama got a sweetheart deal for a loan for his house, can you post a link on our website?" It's a good thing I wasn't drinking anything at the time.

MSM = evil said...

The dirty bastards of the MSM have NO shame, they completely ignore McCain failing to pay taxes on his beachfront property home and try to spin this as something negative?

The stain of Iraq will never leave them.

sanjay said...

it reminds me of the British member of parliament who stood up and said "it is a disgrace that 50% of our children are below average"

Tzal said...

This is an incredibly stupid article. But I hope McCain hammers Obama on it though. Maybe then someone will discuss the McCain's credit problems. Ugh.

Can we just have the election now and get this over with?

Incoming Message from Dr. Light said...

Apparently, 5.625% was closer to the average back in 2005. (Extending the baseball analogies, it's sort of like saying Chick Hafey was a great player because he hit .330 when he did it in a time when lots and lots of players hit .320.)

Anonymous said...

"And, yes, I apologize for being a little off-subject".

More "off-subject" analysis, please.

CT for Obama said...

New Quinni poll http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=1190
Obama is kicking McCain's ass in CT. So much for the 3 pt Rasmussen poll. Checkout the breakdown-every category has a huge Obama lead.
Love how McCain has it as a swing it is more Obama by recent polling than MA which was one point less at 20.
Ohh- I guess this reconfirms that people now really hate Liebermann and that McCains notion he helps him compete in CT are insanely wrong.
Next election Liebermann has no chance and he should be kicked out of the party caucus after they get a clear majority- especially since they won't get to 60 this time even with him.

Anonymous said...

jeez WaPo owes an apology
what a piece of crap that article was

i honestly have absolutely no faith in the "media" anymore

i got a 4.75% rate on one of my properties, are they gonna target me next?

Anonymous said...

Another example of the 3 kinds of lies according to Mark Twain, “Lies, damn lies and statistics!”

Obama’s mortgage rate was better than the AVERAGE. Which means half of Northern Trust’s customers also received better than average loan rates.

This story would only mean something if others with the same risk factors and income couldn’t receive that rate, which there is no indication of. In fact, Northern Trust says it was typical for people in Obama’s category.

Just another example of some idiot using statistics to misrepresent a situation.

VitoF said...

This is clearly the type of article where the reporters were directed to find some dirt on Obama's mortgage, didn't really find any substance, and published it anyways. And so they filled up about 80% of the text space with discussion about Countrywide and other mortgage scandals, without saying at all how that might relate to Obama's situation. Not even worthy of being in a third-rate college newspaper. Sad.

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Incoming Message from Dr. Light said...

The cross-tabs on that poll are encouraging (single-digit defection rates for Obama, 16% for McCain). And given that Lieberman's been polling lower and lower in CT, I'm wondering how anyone in the McCain camp ever thought that he'd help.

JZ said...

I got the exact same rate one month after Obama. I was a first-time homebuyer -- and a graduate student, to boot. Is Obama the reason I got such a sweet deal? I think the Post has a follow-up on its hands.

icebergslim said...

can we say, b.s.?

The story is moneybags Cindy McCain.

Unbelievable.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11477.html

Alex said...

Obama also put down a good 18% down payment on the loan. And this delightful sentence smashes their own argument apart: "the Obamas' $1.32 million loan was so large that few comparables are available."

Few comparisons are available...but it is unreasonable that they should be below the average.

2LaneIA said...

The ombudsman for the Post is Deborah Howell. HowellDC@washpost.com

Thanks for the pointer, Nate. I commented on it.

Off Topic: I am interested in helping the progressive Democrat, Rob Hubler, who is running against the really loathesome Steve King (R-IA 5). (King is the dimwit who observed that Al Qaeda would be dancing in the streets if Obama won, among his many embarassing utterances.)

Are you aware of any polling that breaks Iowa down by congressional district? I heard there was a DM Register poll in February that showed Obama leading McCain, but since then? Thanks, if you have something.

Anonymous said...

I took my mortgage around the same time - and I got a better rate ! Nevermind that my loan was not 30 year nor in IL. Obviously anyone who gets a better than average rate is illegally favored and above average are illegally descriminated.

Incoming Message from Dr. Light said...

Yeah, it's off in Julio Franco/Minnie Minoso land.

ramboorider said...

As George Carlin said, "Think about how stupid the 'average person' is and then remember that half of the people are even dumber than THAT". The WaPo doesn't understand this basic principle of "average", which suggests where they sit relative to it.

2LaneIA said...

The LA Times picked up the WaPo article. It's here if you want to go comment: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-loan2-2008jul02,0,7220594.story?track=ntothtml

Anonymous said...

The analysis here is incomplete. There are no "stated, stated" loans at this level. The rules are different and several years of tax forms are required. The FICO info you sight is for conventional or regular jumbo loans. Extremely large loans this this always have required very high FICO score. To the comment that the down was 18 percent, unlike conventional loans, extremely large loans nearly always require large downs (20%-30%) and a huge amount of assets or years of constantly high net income in a job that has a high job stability. Your analysis states that these items would have lowered the interest rate when, in fact, it would have been a standard requirement.

Anonymous said...

I'm still confused by the description of Hyde Park / Kenwood as "upscale". I certainly wouldn't call it downscale, but the repeated declarations or implications that it's a really rich neighborhood just isn't true compared to the city at large (and not just the south side). It's a nice way of pushing the "Obama's an elitist" narrative though.

Kenwood sure does have a lot of big houses though, that must be it. Even still, its median income is about 1/2 of Lincoln Park on the north side, and forget about comparison to the Gold Coast.

Anonymous said...

The insidious bias and willful gullibility of the MSM is even more egregious than '04, when it tacitly enabled swiftboating et al. even though there was little danger of a Kerry landslide. This year the MSM has already exhibited a shameless, self-interested willingness to breathe life into a moribund horse-race. This is going to get stooopid, dangerous, and potentially close enough for Halliwater to steal again. Keep calling 'em out.

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Drew said...

Couple with better than average credit score receives better than average rate on their mortgage! News at 11.

wolvie14 said...

This is a non-story. Slow newsday. And umpires are biased against ARod

Rich Beckman said...

"So Obama's rate was 30 basis points better than the average...According to current rate quotes from myFICO.com, a borrower with very good credit can expect a mortgage rate about 30 basis points better than someone with pretty good credit, and a borrower with excellent credit can expect about a 50 basis point discount."


Ahhh HA!! Obama's credit rating was less than excellent...and why was that do you suppose?

And he has the audacity to want to be president....

James King said...

What puzzles me most about the article is its main premise - that Obama would get a 'sweet deal' somehow. Does the media really believe that someone in a boardroom somewhere (perhaps in the Political Corruption Divison) decides to offer politicians discount mortgages? No doubt Obama met with them in a closed room filled with cigarette smoke.

"So, Senator, for how much would you like to sell your constituents down the river?"

"Oh, I think $300 a month should do it."

I'm afraid I will sound like a sour, ranting liberal, but it has to be said - the press allowed the Republican adminstration to get away with murder for six years, until its scandals were too big to ignore, and now starts with its usual 'unanswered questions' routine, largely aimed at Obama (although, to be fair, the media is largely made up of fair-minded journalists).

sabrina d. said...

Yes, but Anonymous@9:54, none of these people could point out Kenwood on a map, so that means nobody will know they're wrong. Also, if there's a nice university there, that automatically makes it posh. Grad students have all the cash!

mike volpe said...

Here is what you aren't factoring in. The rates that the Post was averaging were for loan amounts up to 650k. His loan was 1.32 million. There is a huge price break for that. If the rate on 650k was 6% average, the rate on 1.32 million was much higher. No amount of fico, checking account breaks would account for the obscene drop in rate Obama would have received.

If memory serves me right, such a loan would have been between 6.5% and 7% at the time.

Anonymous said...

Read the article and if you agree with Nate's assessment of it, you should call the Washington Post at 202-334-6000. It's an automated system and you can ask to be connected to Joe Stephens's voice mail. And you can leave him a message explaining why his article is so poorly done. I left an extensive message. I also sent a note to the Post's Ombudsman.

Jesse said...

Thanks, Nate. As a former newspaper reporter, I can tell you that you are absolutely right. Journalists know nothing about statistics and can be easily manipulated to think a number means something when it doesn't. Keep fighting the good fight.

Anonymous said...

Another factor on why the Obamas were good credit risks: Michelle, and probably the senator, had repaid their student loans. While they incurred their debt in the '80s and early '90s, the amounts were probably still fairly hefty because both attended law school.

counsellorben said...

Having worked at one time in my career as in-house counsel for a mortgage lender, here are some things to consider.

First, the term for a loan of this size is "super jumbo," not "super super yadda yadda."  Second, a loan that is larger generally has a higher rate than the average, to reflect that the risk of the loan is concentrated, i.e., a default will result in a larger loss than would be incurred on a smaller loan, and the risk cannot be spread out as well as in a smaller loan.  Third, as someone else pointed out, a 20% down payment (which this was) is a typical requirement for super jumbos.

All that having been said, the rate probably would be somewhere in the range of 50-75 basis points below the average for similar loans made at the same time in the Chicago area.

However, as pointed out in this slam job in American Thinker, a trust account at the same bank that gave the mortgage was used to purchase the property.

That alone explains the differential.  The bank will more than make up what it gave up in interest on the mortgage.  The fees the bank will receive for managing the trust account will far exceed the interest given up.

This mortgage was not favortism, but was sound business practice.

But none of this will stop the wingnuts from sounding off about "the obscene drop in rate" Obama received.

Harrison said...

Oy vey. This is why fact-checking departments at major news outlets need someone with at least some mathematical/scientific knowledge... but no, they're always right-brained journalists who wouldn't know a misleading statistic if it waltzed into the room in a brightly colored hat singing "I'm a misleading statistic." (Apologies to Neil Gaiman)

Keep up the good fight, Nate!

Anonymous said...

it's more than just the rate, it's the no points or fees too. moreover, without the book advance, they would have had insufficient income and that guidleine was relaxed as well (norm is 2 years of income and a one year windfall is discounted) - Obama fans need to realize he's not a god or embodiment of perfection.

William said...

Terrible article by WaPo and a great call out Nate. Its a shame that other news orgs have already picked up on the story, mentioned on the msnbc first read blog this AM. It seems that for whatever reason the Obama house feeds into the bogus elitism tag and so the media is obsessed with researching it. Considering the kenwood neighborhood (of which I am a resident) is composed of mainly working upper middle class (read basically doctors, lawyers and professors) its strange that this community is used as a label of elitism as oppose to say a Ranch in Arizona...

Alex said...

Thanks for pointing out my mistake on the down payment. With the credit crunch flying high it's not uncommon to hear about very low down payment homes so I mistook what that meant.

However, I stand by my point that the article destroys its own argument by pointing out that few comparable loans are available. If they were to post, say, the standard deviation of those loans and some kind of confidence level about how close a random loan should be to the average, then they might begin to construct a cogent argument. I do not envision such data being conclusive of an Obama scam. And, as counsellorben points out, the bank will have made its costs back in other ways.

asmodeus said...

Media-bashing is fine by me. Corporate, crass, outdated should be every media org's motto.

Anonymous said...

Yeah funny I never saw the John McCain tax avoidance story on page one!

I chalk this up to the media needing a close contest so you have to hatchet the winner and butter up the loser as they did with HRC/Obama in the primary.

Obama 08,12

p smith said...

This story is unlikely to have the legs because the McCains won't dare call Obama on it. If they do, they will have to disclose every loan deal they have every got on any of their properties. They are not going to invite that kind of scrutiny.

The article is an absolute non story and yet another example of lazy journalism. What will make this damaging is if it becomes the lead story today rather than Obama's speech on values in Colorado. If that happens it will be the third day running that the media have allowed a pure media non story to oust real news. Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't he also qualify for the Federal Good Negro Discount Plan?

counsellorben said...

Anonymous @ 11:00a

You miss the point completely.  The trust account at the very same bank is additional collateral for the mortgage loan (cross-collateralization).  The trust account paid the entire downpayment of $330,000.  According to this blog on Fox (Not Really) News's site, the Obamas put more than $3 million into the trust account which also secures the loan, making Northen Trust over-collateralized by more than $2 million on this loan.

Anyone who believes that this loan rate shows favortism is ignorant regarding the mortgage and banking industries.

I could not get this deal, but that is because I do not have liquid assets at my bank which are twice what I borrowed to purchase my home.

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. There's irresponsible journalism on both ends plus this is an election year.

Are you going to focus on i.j. against Obama only? It doesn't look good for your site.

The projections look great though and I'd like to understand more about them. I wish you could update the FAQ instead of paying attention to the idiots at the Washington Post.

David Grenier said...

I think you're missing the most important factor in all of this.

Ahem.

YANKEES SUCK.

That includes A-Rod.

Patrick said...

You're so right, Nate, the umps are totally biased in ARod's favor.

Yup, I'm so glad to see on all the posts on here pointing out the obvious conservative bias in the MSM. It's not like Obama has received fawning and constant coverage on the Clinton News Network, MSNBC, NPR, NY Times, LA Times. It's not like every time I turn on CNN, Obama has a good story, and McCain is ignored. It's not like near every newspaper cartoonist is supporting Obama.

Thanks for pointing out the one example of anti-Obama bias in media, while ignoring the craploads of excessive coverage for him and the constant irresponsible anti-McCain spin in the New York Times, Newsweek, and on MSNBC. Bravo.

Patrick said...

YANKEES SUCK.

The one thing any sane non- New Yorker can agree on. ;)

Anonymous said...

Yup, I'm so glad to see on all the posts on here pointing out the obvious conservative bias in the MSM. It's not like Obama has received fawning and constant coverage on the Clinton News Network, MSNBC, NPR, NY Times, LA Times. It's not like every time I turn on CNN, Obama has a good story, and McCain is ignored. It's not like near every newspaper cartoonist is supporting Obama.

Thanks for pointing out the one example of anti-Obama bias in media, while ignoring the craploads of excessive coverage for him and the constant irresponsible anti-McCain spin in the New York Times, Newsweek, and on MSNBC. Bravo.


You're somewhat delusional if you think there's a "liberal bias" in the media.

Anonymous said...

Way to beat 'em down Nate! I can't believe some of the utter trash coming out of the MSM these days. It's like the National Enquirer became the standard for journalism overnight. Yikes.

But if rational/logical people (like yourself) keep a lookout, then we will be allright.

Alex Foley said...

It appears that Obama's mortgage really wasn't that out-of-the-ordinary at all. Averages are poor indicators of significance. They're a terrible way to tell whether or not a particular data point is out of the ordinary. That's why statisticians never use an average alone to determine whether something is typical or not. HSH Associates (5.93%) and Bankrate.com (6.0%) were both quoted as sources for averages, but only a Vice President at HSH was given a chance to comment on whether or not the number was signficiantly lower:

"It's certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average," said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. "It's a good deal."

"A good deal"? What is the median? The range? Have they performed any statistical analysis on this? Unfortunately, I can't get access to the same HSH numbers without paying for them. Timing is critically important here -- the Obamas received a verbal commitment of their interest rate on February 4, 2005, according to the campaign, but did not receive the final commitment until June 6, 2005. Thanks to Google's news archive, however, I was able to find three articles listing rates from February 2005: one from February 2, a second from February 9, and a third from February 23. From all three of these articles, we can see the mortgage rates in Chicago weekly from January 27 until February 23:

* January 27: 5.69%
* February 2: 5.74%
* February 9: 5.65%
* February 16: 5.68%
* February 23: 5.79%

Average mortgage rates for single-family homes ... as compiled by bankrate.com. The rates are for 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages for 80 percent of the value of the house.

It should be noted that these numbers are most likely composites of all types of mortgages -- jumbo mortgages, on average it seems, have higher rates than regular mortgages. But, this does call into question the fact that Mr. Obama's mortgage was in any way out of the ordinary. In fact, it was right in-line with the ordinary.

David Keller said...

I just want to thank you for the terrific reporting on 538dotcom. This article on the pathetic Washington Post article about Obama's mortgage is so on the mark. They really don't have a clue and are just spinning out words to fill up space. Unfortunately most of the media adopted their story, but anybody in the know, thanks to you, knows it's just drivel. While stories of this type are needed at times when the story is so far off the mark, please don't be romanced away from your true calling of the numbers. You defy my old boss's claim that statistics are like political prisoners; they more you torture them the more they tell you what you want to hear. To bad Cheney's boys don't understand that!

Anonymous said...

First it was a bad thing that Obama is a good speaker.

Now it is a bad thing that he has good credit, which serves as one's financial resume in a market economy like ours.

Bryan said...

The Post has become a political tabloid. This type of shoddy "journalism" should be an embarrassment to anyone associated with what was once an outstanding newspaper.

Anonymous said...

The only delusional one here is you, Anonymous @124. Every mainstream media institution other than Fox News, the Washington Times, and the Wall Street Journal Editorial page is liberally biased. Look at Keith Olbermann, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Chris Matthews, the New York times everyone at CNN, etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Why is it that every mainstream newspaper endorsed John Kerry in 2004. Conservative bias? I think not.

Otto Man said...

How is it a bad thing that Obama has a good credit rating, while it's a non-issue that the McCains have $200,000 in credit card debt and failed to pay taxes on one of their eight homes for four years?

Sorry, I'm not a member of the media elite, so this all just seems ass-backwards to me.

Otto Man said...

Look at Keith Olbermann, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Chris Matthews, the New York times everyone at CNN, etc. etc.

Keith Olbermann has one hour a night on MSNBC, while Joe Scarborough gets three in the morning with Pat Buchanan riding shotgun.

Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich appear in the NYTimes with the same regularity as Bill Kristol and David Brooks.

If you think Chris Matthews is a liberal, you're insane.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that every mainstream newspaper endorsed John Kerry in 2004.

Probably for the same reason that 85% of the country thinks we're on the wrong track now -- they realized Bush was an idiot.

vosh said...

The WaPo hit piece also used the Rezko smear again, insinuating Obama got a discount from Rezko in buying his house, when in reality the previous owner has stated unequivocally that this is false: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us

Of course, this "journalist" didn't want his readers to know that part, nor did he want them to know that Obama sat down with dozens of reporters from the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times and answered every question they had on Rezko.

Anonymous said...

Kudos, Nate! (very tongue-in-cheek) I hope you get equally as fired up and eager to post a rebuttal when the media cites questionable or flat-out erroneous statistics in a dubious manner that slams or smears a convervative.

Yeah, right, like that's going to happen. Which, in my humble opinion, is why your credibility and the credibility of fivethirtyeight.com is barely above that of a snake in the grass!

Anonymous said...

Didn't BHO himself write that his credit card was denied at the car rental counter when he attended the Democrat convention in 2000? Credit histroy aside, i would sooner get Rezko to buy my backyard than get a few basis points off the loan.

Anonymous said...

My wife and I locked into a mortgage from Wells Fargo Bank in September of 2005 @ 5.625% for a 30yr fixed rate, with no closing costs and no points (old fashioned deal straight up deal). I am an Illinois resident living in the Chicago Area and I am not just an average Joe who shopped out the best deal I could find. So this is the biggest bunch of BS and WaPo should apologize for this piece of poor jornalism.

Anonymous said...

Nate, you analyzed the McCain tax story for whether it would have legs, not whether it was good journalism. Let's see you look at this Obama story from the same angle. Taking the story at face value (which is all most people will do) it undercuts Obama's core message against special interests and reinforces the perception of him being willing to do anything to further his own interest. It's also easy to soundbite and hard to refute in a soundbite. Based on your own test, this story has legs.

striatic said...

@anonymous

if it has legs, it'll benefit obama. people will learn he is fiscally responsible and has good credit, while comparing that to mccain's debt at tax issues.

the longer this story stays out there, the better for obama it is. if it goes away quickly, it probably hurts him a little since people won't have time to figure out the whole story.

so obama should try to keep this story in the air for a bit, while mccain should try to get it buried as quickly as possible.

VitoF said...

Whenever I have friends or family that assert a "liberal bias" in the media, I ask them two simple questions: What were the three biggest news stories of the past decade, and on which side did the media fall for each?

1. 9/11. The media rolled over as George Bush got everything he wanted to roll back constitutional rights and expand executive power. The media just put on their flag pin and brushed off such things as "congressional consent" and "civil liberties" as pro-terrorist. George Bush was frequently compared to Winston Churchill and FDR for his leadership. Yep, Mr. 26% himself.

2. Clinton's impeachment. Well, it was a perjury case based on testimony that was ruled immaterial, in a sexual harassment case that was thrown out, as part of a 7-year special investigation of a land deal which the Clintons lost money on. And the sordid details of this case was the top story on the news basically every night for 400 consecutive nights. You tell me which side got their way.

3. The Iraq war. Oh sure, the media has been somewhat more critical recently (when they choose to even cover it at all). But no one can say that the case for war was covered with any serious scrutiny. Many newspapers have actually apologized for the historic failure of the media to do its duty in those months leading up to the war.

On the big stories, the media knows which side it's on. I rest my case.

rmadilo said...

If anyone has ever gone to a mortgage broker they would know that the whole purpose of this industry is to shop around and find the best deal for their clients. This is usually low interest rate. But guess what? You can buy points. For a fee you can lower your fixed term rate. For those who are short on cash, you can't do this, and you still have to have good credit, but the interest rate is very variable.

phoenixwoman said...

This is all about trying to gin up a FauxGate around Obama to try and drown out the icky news about McCain: Most notably, the news from Thad Cochran that McCain, during a 1987 diplomatic mission to Nicaragua with several other Republican Senators led by Bob Dole, actually physically slammed around a Sandinista associate and had to be physically restrained. Only the quick thinking of his fellow Senators staved off an international incident.

Stephen C. Rose said...

I love being skewered. From NY, Yanks are great. I am watching them kill as we speak.

My blog title for this piece of msm perfidy was

Washington Post Loses Some Points

A number of blogs picked this up.

Yanks 15-Tex 7 Top of The Eighth

Anonymous said...

Dear Sirs,
I read the article, didn't not have time to read the comments...somebody with industry specific knowledge may have already pointed this out. On a loan of that size based upon market conditions at that time there is NO WAY he could of obtained that rate on a SUPER SUPER JUMBO..........regardless even if his fico busted through the roof and hit 1000..NO WAY.Unless he received preferential treatment OR he paid EXTREMELY HIGH discount points to buy the loan down.
I am a Super Jumbo Loan Officer for 22 years..yes I was a mild Clinton supporter, but Obama is ok with me..but still no way unless the two options stated above. You cannot compare Jumbo loan pricing at the time with SUPER SUPER JUMBO pricing, two totally different loan animals that use two completely different underwriting criteria. If someone disagrees with me they do not know what they are talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Peterson said...

It's not the same as your work on baseball when you only ever mention media irresponsibility when it pertains to your favorite "players." Just sayin'. Don't pretend it's the same thing, because it isn't.

Baseball data =/= political "data."

John said...

I'm a former wealth banker, and, if the facts in the WaPo article are correct, I have to agree with them that he did get special treatment. Two points:
1) Even if his FICO is 'excellent', purchase-money mortgage rates are driven more by the size of the loan; as long as his credit met a certain 'floor' requirement, there wouldn't be a huge discount in rate. What WOULD affect the rate, however, would be the size of the loan. Any loan above $417,500 cannot be sold to Fannie Mae so it is considered "jumbo" and therefore more risky. His loan, greater than $1 million is super-super-jumbo; an objective analysis of that loan would dictate that it is one of the most risky on the books, therefore should demand a higher interest rate- certainly higher than the 'average' rate which takes into account all of the less-risky mortgages.

2) The most glaring evidence of his special treatment is the fact that he got this super-low rate despite having paid no discount points or origination fees. Banks use these fees to defray the fixed costs of underwriting their loans (on jumbos the costs are even greater, so securing a jumbo with no points is unusual indeed). A borrower can avoid these out-of-pocket costs, but that usually drives the rate up quite a bit. For any borrower to have received a rate 30 points below average on a super-super jumbo without paying any points is clearly special treatment.

People can argue back and forth about whether the article was fair; however, if you were to walk in to your local bank and try to obtain a similar loan to the one Obama received, you would not receive as good a deal as he did. That's special treatment.

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