Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Lanny Davis: Still a Hack After All These Years

From his new column at Fox News:

What is pretty clear, however, is that Sen. Obama leads Sen. McCain as of now nationally by a relatively small margin — and about the same margin that John Kerry led George Bush in June of 2004.

That is the good news.

The reason for continuing concern for the Obama campaign, with which I am sure they would agree, is that the Gallup tracking polls (and virtually every other mainstream national general election poll) continue to show that the two are still so close — even with all the bad news on the McCain side of the political equation, from Bush’s below-30% approval ratings, to more than two-to-one wrong direction-right direction ratios, to the self-identified Democrats and leaners (who are at the highest gap over Republican identifiers in decades), fuel prices skyrocketing, and McCain himself conveying neither coherent themes nor projecting positively in the daily TV sound bites.

Yet, over the last six months, really ever since Iowa and up to the present, Sen. Obama has rarely, if ever, won more than 47% or 48% of the general electorate. That apparent ceiling, at least so far, should be worrisome to the Obama senior strategists and probably has been noted. It is reminiscent of both John Kerry and Al Gore’s polling numbers vs. George Bush.
Two quick points. Firstly, Davis is flat wrong that John Kerry held a national lead of the magnitude that Obama has now. Kerry flirted with a 2-point lead in the Real Clear Politics average at various points over the summer, but he never had the 6-point lead that Obama presently has in the RCP number. Al Gore, for that matter, trailed significantly for most of the summer (Bush led by an average of 5.3 points over 34 polls conducted in June and July 2000) before making a comeback after the Democrats held their convention.

Secondly, is Davis really still at it with that whole Hillary Clinton racket? At the time she abandoned her nomination bid, Clinton held about a 3-point lead over McCain in the national averages, which was pretty much her high-water mark all year. That's still three points less than the lead that Obama holds now. And Obama's gains appear to have come precisely in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida that appeared to make up the core of Clinton's electoral argument (and also in Michigan, where Clinton never polled especially well), while he continues to poll strongly in places like Virginia and Colorado that Clinton might have had difficulty competing in. I would guess that, if you polled the 49 Democratic Senators on Capitol Hill, you wouldn't find more than a dozen who would want to replace Obama with Clinton on the ticket right now. But hell hath no fury like a surrogate scorned.

82 comments

Anonymous said...

TYPO HERE? "Secondly, is Davis really still at it with those whole Hillary Clinton racket?

. . . those . . . racket?

jsh1120 said...

Excellent points, Nate. I'd only add that if one looks at McCain's numbers, he has almost never polled above 45% since January, 2007. If a candidate has a reason to be concerned about a "ceiling," it's certainly McCain.

Anonymous said...

Kerry did indeed hold a similar advantage to Bush in the Summer of '04. At this point in time in '04, Kerry was projected to win 300+ electoral votes, similar to Obama's projected EVs in '08.

Juris said...

Kerry "was projected" by whom? Your source, evidence?

Beth in VA said...

I love the reality-based analysis, thanks. This is what we (citizens) need to ground us. I appreciate the comparison with other elections.

roadkillrefugee said...

Lanny Davis commenting on polls is a bit like Andrew Sullivan judging a Hawaiian Tropics bikini contest -- he's outside his subject area expertise. How can he comment on Obama's alleged ceiling (which he can't honesty claim has solidified only days after the Unity, New Hampshire event, with Bill Clinton still playing hard to get, and Obama's explicit tacking to the center in recent days -- there's still room to grow among women, working class and independent voters in particular) without acknowledging McCain treading water between 38-44% in national and battleground state polls? As the nominee of the incumbent party controlling the White House, who is better known and wrapped up his party's nomination in March, McCain's dangerously low ceiling looks much more troubling.

Hope said...

Kerry "was projected" by whom? Your source, evidence?

July 1, 2008 2:49 PM

His source is the Anonymous Polling Group of America based out of Bullshit Town U.S.A.

They went out of business shortly after they predicted Republicans would win 87% of the black vote in Congressional Races in and around New Orlean's 9th ward in response to Bush's exceptional response to hurricane Katrina.

moondancer said...

"...like a surrogate scorned"
Especially one that dove into a tub of sewage fishing for Fox News dollars.
I know that this is a site that is centered on science, but I think Lanny and the Clinton inner circle were most responsible for her loss.

Scott said...

I disagree on only one point, Nate. My definition of a hack is someone without creativity or talent who toils for the good of the party. Which party is Lanny working for? Not the Democrats, apparently.

Shane said...

Ahh yes, Lanny Davis..

During the primaries he was one of the few Clintonistas I couldn't stand.

I read recently that at the pow-wow last week of Clinton people and Obama, Davis introduced himself to Obama who shot back with a "I know who you are."

Apparently Davis continued, nervously, to explain that he was just doing his job, being a good company man. Then he said he was grateful to Obama, that he's inspired his (davis') son and made him care about politics for the first time.

That softened me SLIGHTLY to Davis, but after this, the guys' back on the mute list.

Anonymous said...

this blog is defiled by the quotation of such a hacktacular idiot as lanny davis... not even worth further comme

michael said...

yeah, I know this is mainly about the polls, but I do have to echo Nate on Lanny Davis. Even when I was very sympathetic to his cause, around the whole Lewinsky nonsense, he came across as a complete sleaze. He and Mark Penn were pretty much the only 2 in the Clinton camp who reeked so of sleaze and corruption that I had to turn the channel when they were on.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for writing this Nate.

I had a conversation with a friend recently who kept insisting that Kerry had a huge lead in 2004. He DIDN'T. He never led by more than 2 points. Nor did he ever have Obama's favorability ratings.

Obama is in a very strong spot.

Anonymous said...

Lanny Davis will have nothing if Obama wins this election. He's at Fox News, he'll become like that dude w/Hannity. What's his name?

That's what it's looking like for him. Because basically, he has nothing but Clinton favor to trade on and that's not going to take him far with the bridges he's been burning annoying the nominee.

pablo in AZ - Ex-Republican Air force Veteran said...

LOL

is this 2004 ?

is Obama Kerry ?

Obama is going to win this thing

this is a great site

VIVA OBAMA

JGabriel said...

Juris: Kerry "was projected" by whom? Your source, evidence?

Yeah, I'd like to see this source too. As far as I remember, Kerry was never expected to win by more than 288 EV, tops, except for some naive hopefuls who believed he had a chance in FL.

.

Leo said...

Lanny Davis looks comfortable in his new concern troll suit.

Anonymous said...

Chuck Todd with NBC said Kerry had a 6 point lead in June. Lanny Davis is correct. Hussein is in deep trouble, and all you Muslim lovers better take note and prepare your crying towels on 11/4.

Anonymous said...

The good comparison is the last time a dem won the white house. Take a look at the leads that Clinton had over Dole. It wasn't even close. Look at the final electoral map for that year and what states were involved. While O'bama still can win, McCain is no Dole.

Commentary: McCain is running a much better campaign than O'bama mostly under the national radar. It seems that the dem nominee or a surrogate is a gaffe machine.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should start referring to John McCain by his middle name as well 'Sydney'.

And we can accuse him of being a secret transsexual.