Saturday, July 12, 2008

Running (Mate) to the Center [UPDATED]

Chris Bowers has a thoughtful entry up at OpenLeft that chronicles the progress of the "Barack Obama is moving to the center" narrative. Chris's argument is that (i) it is Obama's "fault" that this happened, rather than just some media spin that might be applied to any Democrat, and (ii) it's a point of discourse the Obama campaign would rather avoid. I tend to agree with Chris on his first point and meet him halfway on the second: I don't think the Obama campaign really minds the "Obama is moving to the center" narrative, but I'm sure they very much do mind its second-cousin, "Obama is a flip-flopper".

In any event, some of the ensuing discussion has focused on how this plays into Obama's selection of a Vice President. I'd think it now becomes more important for Obama to avoid a selection that appears like a centrist pander. Earlier this week, I argued that Evan Bayh was a fairly likely choice because he seemed to fit the Obama campaign's general disposition to play it safe. But that may be precisely what Obama wants to avoid: the appearance of having played it safe. If someone like Sam Nunn is the choice -- and to an only slightly smaller extent with Bayh -- Obama risks these three related notions ("playing it too safe", "moving to the center", "flip-flopper") gaining traction. Let's examine three of the left's favorite choices for Vice President in light of this landscape:

John Edwards

John Edwards has this very helpful attribute going on where he is perceived by liberals as liberal but by moderates as moderate. His selection would certainly fire up the base and the netroots, but would not risk the "two most liberal Senators" problem that you might get with someone like Jack Reed.

The optics of picking him, however, are in some other ways problematic. Firstly, Obama would obviously have linked himself with John Kerry. And second, Edwards has some flip-flop problems of his own, having moved from being a center-left Senator to a mainline-left candidate in 2004 to a progressive-left candidate in 2008. This theme was never fully exposed in the primaries, because by the time that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton got around into attack mode, they only really had one another to worry about. But the right will use it, particularly as it concerns Edwards' vote on the Iraq War, and it could ricochet in some dangerous ways on Obama.

Kathleen Sebelius

Sebelius is another politician who comes across as more moderate than she actually is. Perhaps the ultimate test of political acumen is the extent to which someone can continue to govern and win election while staking out a different point on the political spectrum than their state or district has as its default. There are plenty of Democratic governors in red states, and Republican governors in blue states, but almost invariably they are centrists. Kathleen Sebelius is not really a centrist -- she is liberal -- and yet, she was re-elected in Kansas by a 17 point margin. She accomplishes this (i) by tending to emphasize "common ground" issues like education where public opinion does not fall neatly along a left-right spectrum, and (ii) through her calm, comforting and somewhat dispassionate demeanor. She's sneaky-smooth. If the Republicans try and portray Sebelius as some kind of radical feminist, it will blow up in their faces, just as it has to many of her opponents in Kansas.

Ordinarily, it would seem very gutsy for the first African-American ever to win his party's nomination to also select a female Vice President. But because Hillary Clinton was the opponent that Barack Obama defeated to win the nomination, the optics are more complicated. Does it seem like a pander to Hillary Clinton supporters if you pick another woman? Or, because some in the Clinton camp would be unhappy if Obama picked another woman, does that ironically make the decision seem gutsier and more assertive? Here's the thing: put some of those Clinton crazies on Fox News and have them gripe very loudly about how dare Obama pick another woman. Is this actually going to make the average Fox News viewer, who has little regard for Hillary Clinton in the first place, less inclined to support Obama? You tell me, but I'll bet to some of them, it makes Sebelius seem more acceptable by comparison.

Anyway, there would undoubtedly be a number of psychological undercurrents if Obama picked Sebelius -- I'm just not sure we know as much as we think we do about how they'd all play out. But Sebelius would certainly make Obama's critics on the left happy, and I don't think she'd look like a pander.

[EDIT: What I'm arguing, I guess, is that if there is some kind of backlash, there will also be a backlash to that backlash, because the notion that "if not Hillary, all other women are ruled out" is fundamentally grotesque and will be critiqued by all sorts of different parties on the left and the right. This is one of those cases, like in the recent Jesse Jackson faux pas, where the right-wing media could actually wind up helping Obama, because it allows them to bash two of their favorite targets: Hillary Clinton and the (very misguided kind of) political correctness that informs that line of thinking. Throw the PUMAs to the lions, in other words.]

Wesley Clark

But here's the really interesting one. A month ago, picking Wesley Clark would have seemed like a fairly safe choice -- someone who allows you to check the "foreign policy" and "liked by Clinton supporters" boxes. It might have seemed, in other words, like a pander.

But because of the Face the Nation dust-up, all of the sudden it would send a very different message. It would say: we're going to stand our ground, we're not going to be so worried about being politically correct, and we're taking it right to you. Isn't that a fairly optimal message for Obama to send out given the present narrative?

I still think there are some risks with Clark. You put the foreign policy issue front and center, and you maybe give McCain a little bit of a running start by recalling his experience as a POW. But it would sure put a taser blast on the flip-flop narrative.

UPDATE: Quick thoughts on a couple of additional candidates. One, Chris Dodd is not going to be the pick. Absolutely not. I'd lay 100-1 odds against it. Chris Dodd did a favor to Obama in the primaries by coming out and endorsing him relatively early. Obama is doing a favor to Chris Dodd by listing him as a potential Veep choice, which is meant to connote that the Countrywide scandal does not make him politically unacceptable. But the fact is that while the Countrywide scandal probably does not make Chris Dodd so politically unacceptable as to render him unelectable as one of Connecticut's two senators, it probably does render him sufficiently politically unacceptable in the near-term to be the Democrats' one and only Vice Presidential nominee. Why would you put an issue like that on the table? What other overwhelming positives does Dodd have to counteract it?

Jack Reed? Reed is a former paratrooper and Army Ranger and used to teach at West Point. But here's the problem with Jack Reed: I'm not sure that you want to make the foreign policy fight front and center unless you're pretty sure you can win it (or at least fight it to a draw). The irony of the whole Wesley Clark thing is that Americans really aren't all that concerned with the service record of their President. We have, after all, elected a draft dodger to the White House in four elections running. So it's not enough to have played the part: I think you have to look the part. Wesley Clark and Jim Webb look the part; I don't think Jack Reed, who is somewhat less skilled as a political cage-fighter, quite does. Jack Reed is a blank slate to 93 percent of the population, and I think once it's filled in, more people will see "liberal senator from Rhode Island" than "decorated veteran and foreign affairs expert".

Tim Kaine
, on the other hand, whom Al Giordano thinks might have the upper hand, seems fairly plausible. Kaine is the new Evan Bayh: the first name on the list with no obvious red flag. Why isn't Evan Bayh the new Evan Bayh? Because he's too safe, which, if you follow my logic, actually makes him less safe.

Ed Rendell, who made Robert Novak's short list? I actually find him to be somewhat viable, precisely because I find his biggest purported downside -- his tendency to be glib and politically incorrect -- to in fact be advantageous to a candidate (Obama) who can sometimes seem calculating and overcautious. What the Obama people need to figure out is whether he can turn the whole Archie Bunker shtick on and off, or whether it's intrinsic to his personality. If the former, he deserves serious consideration.

And, of course, we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Brian Schwetizer, whose utility has only increased as energy has become more of a wedge issue.

117 comments

Anonymous said...

Nate go over to Al's (of the Field fame) web site. He says Obama's VP will be Gov. Kaine of VA. What are your thoughts on Kaine in terms of playing it safe?

SarahLawrenceScott said...

I very much agree with this post! To me, Sebelius is the right choice for nipping the "just another pol" thing in the bud. To most, choosing her wouldn't seem safe, liberal, or (thanks to the Hilary interaction) like tokenism. It would primarily seem authentic; someone he could campaign with and govern with.

Sebelius also gives a bonus on the rebound: if the pick is seen as authentic, it helps define Obama as a sneaky-smooth calm, comforting, dispassionate liberal who emphasizes common round issues that don't fall neatly along a left-right spectrum. (All of that, of course, is from Nate's description of Sebelius.) All of that plays into the disparate views of Obama and ends up with something understandable that a lot of people can support. Is he a liberal? Yes (he says progressive). Does he emphasize common ground issues? Yes. Is he calm, comforting, and dispassionate? OK. Sneaky-smooth? He can live with that, if it's seen as going with authentic beliefs and programs.

I didn't start out supporting the Sebelius option, but I've come around to it in the past few weeks.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't really matter where Obama is drifting - center - left - even far right. Both the economy and the foreign policy environment are unraveling so fast right now that by inauguration day, whoever is prez will have to spend 100 days at the drawing board, needing to reinvent every substantive policy position from scratch.

dan said...

I think a bigger problem with picking Edwards, who has many strengths, is that the media will pan the decision. The media does not respect Edwards because of his haircut, or something, and, besides they've "been there, done that" with him in 2004. You need to throw the media a bone, because they're spoiled children.

I think both Sebelius and Clark would be great choices, and throwing Clark out there would sure look ballsy. That's a good thing.

Kaine is ok, but my sense is he is a bit lacking in public experience and is not a great speaker. In fact, he looks like Webb/Warner substitute.

Another ballsy choice? Sherrod Brown. From Ohio, liberal, awesome on the economy. The Governor of OH is a Dem, so we wouldn't lose a seat. That would put the economy front and center, reenergize the netroots, and maximize pressure on McCain to pour everything he's got into Ohio.

William said...

Why not Brian Schweitzer? He and Obama would be an amazing team; a great pair of post-partisan progressives.

Mainer said...

Nate,

Do you think there is a seasonable effect in polling? I've heard it hypothesized that in the summer it is harder for pollsters to find people with children who may be on vacation as well as young adults. Thus, the argument goes, polls will underestimate their place in the electorate and whatever their views tend to be (in this case, pro-Obama) will show up less in the overall poll numbers, thus bringing down the total Obama support reported.

Does this sound reasonable? Is there evidence for a seasonal effect? Perhaps you could address this in a post sometime.

Anonymous said...

a) Paul Rosenberg's series of post on the subject of Edwards is definative of why he should the choice. SInce this is a polling site, I am a bit surprised you didn't mention the head to heads, and how he out polls Sebelius. He's brand the public knows. This brands helps reinforce Obama's cred by a large factor. I also note the rather bizzare comparator to 2004, while missing that Edwards just got through running a strong third in the 2008 primary.

Here's one of Paul's diaries:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6836

Incidentally, in match ups against Rendell of PA in PA, he outperforms him. He outperform or ties Sebelius in her own state. He outperforms as I remember other governors as well when they are placed on the various tickets. If you have a co unter argument, please provide it. Please provide an argument that doesn't rely on claims of name id, which doesn't make sense when one compared to again Sebelius in her own state.

b) Sebelius has other problems other than the fact she's a liberal in her state, but not if you compare her to the national view of what that term means. The biggest problem she faces is that she is a) boring b) doesn't appear to know how to make the case on a national level. In short, why play our c or d game when you got other stronger choices. I have yet, by the way, to see anyone provide me with a checklist of what makes Sebelius so liberal outside of abortion and local state issues. Explain this to me like I am a low information voter. Because you can be sure that she will have to be introduced to the public. In her one test on the national state, she came out worse than Kaine of Va. That's saying something. I donated to Kaine, but I wouldn't want him within 200 yards of the VP nomination.

c) Clark isn't out of the running to me or he shoulnd't be. The fact is he came out that situation more well liked, not less. Only in the Democratic mindset is what he did a lose. Sometimes- and this is something that Reagan understood- you win by apparently losing in the short term. People respect and came to respect Clark precisely because he took McCain the myth machine on. The american people would like that. It's not left or right- its the character reinforcement that Clark would bring. That he's progressive is added bonus.

Karl said...

The problem with that is that the VP selection is a huge process were TONS of things have to be factored in. I'd love Sebelius but I honestly don't think he can risk doing that beacuse it would piss off the Clinton wing so much. Clark isn't going to be the choice beacuse he is HORRIBLE at message disipline (something that the Obama team very much values) and Edwards is only slightly more likely then Gore.

IMO Jack Reed WOULD be a good pick. Sure he's a liberal but he's also a Catholic Vet who attended Westpoint. It would be hard to paint him as some kind of peacenik. He would help with the base, with the swing voters, is good on TV and is trusted by Obama. He just make sense.