Friday, June 20, 2008

Today's Polls, 6/20

A new Rasmussen poll in the state of Nevada has John McCain leading Barack Obama by 3 points. This is a slight improvement for Obama from Rasmussen's previous poll, which had shown McCain ahead by 6. Nevertheless, Nevada remains one of those states where our regression model thinks that Obama's numbers have significant room to improve. Obama has outfundraised McCain by better than 4:1 in the Silver State, and Nevada has a highly secular population, a group that has performed well for Obama in other states.

So what gives? Nevada has historically been an apathetic state politically. It's turnout rate in the 2004 election was among the lowest in the country by any and all measures. And not that the following metric is the end-all, be-all, but when I rank the states from 1 to 50 in terms of the amount of per-capita traffic they contribute to FiveThirtyEight.com, Nevada ranks just 36th (the top three states, FWIW, are Massachusetts, Washington and Oregon; the bottom three are Mississippi, West Virginia, and Oklahoma). If Obama wants to win Nevada, he is probably going to have to rattle the cage a little harder than he might in another state.

In New Hampshire, which is anything but apathetic politically, Rasmussen has Barack Obama increasing his lead to 11 points; last month he led John McCain there by 5. Remember my rule of thumb about New Hampshire: its numbers tends to move about twice as much as the national average. So if Obama is leading by 11 points in New Hampshire, that would imply a 5.5 point lead nationally, which is just about where we have him.

Also two new polls out from SurveyUSA. In California, Barack Obama leads John McCain by 12 points, up from 7 points in their tracking last month. In Iowa, however, he leads by 4 -- down from 9 last month. I would be a little bit cautious about reading too much into either of the Iowa polls released within the past week as Iowans presently have bigger things to worry about.

Finally, while we don't usually focus on national polls, that's where a lot of the action has been today, with no fewer than seven of them released within the past 24 hours.

Newsweek's poll is the attention-getter, showing Barack Obama leading John McCain by 15 points. Is Barack Obama actually ahead by 15 points? Of course not. Newsweek's data tends to be fairly volatile, and we have a whole bunch of polling on both the state and national level that implies that Obama's real margin is closer to 5 points. Nevertheless, he has broken through a barrier of sorts. The last instance I can identify when a Democrat held a 15-point lead over a Republican nominee in any individual November trial heat poll is from November, 1996, when CBS News gave Bill Clinton an 18-point lead over Bob Dole on the eve of the election.

Other national polling, CNBC-style: Gallup Tracker: Obama +2; Rasmussen: Obama +4; USA Today/Gallup: Obama +6; FOX: Obama +4; Ipsos: Obama +7; and Harris Interactive, Obama +11.

97 comments

theotherjosh said...

Looks like New Hampshire is going to be out of reach for McCain.

Only 4 electoral votes. But 4 electoral votes is 4 electoral votes.

Anonymous said...

""but when I rank the states from 1 to 50 in terms of the amount of per-capita traffic they contribute to FiveThirtyEight.com""

Now that is an observation that begs for the posting of the full 50 state ranking list!

Anonymous said...

Meh, now McCain will be able to point to the Newsweek poll in a couple months and claim to be staging a huge comeback. I'm surprised they published their ridiculous results.

Aaron said...

Nate-

It's kind of sad, but I suspect that I account for at least 90% of your traffic from WA state.

We'll know soon enough- I'm moving to CA in a week. See if the traffic from WA drops off after next Thursday.

Anonymous said...

For the many readers who don't like the detailed stats that underlie the calculated ~76% chance of an Obama victory based on current data, here's a quickie, non-statistical way to arrive at about the same conclusion: go down the individual states on the left hand side of the blog, and look at the percentage chance of an Obama victory for each state. now sort them from 100% (CD) down, and see how low you have to go before the running total reaches 269 electoral votes. The current answer is 72% (for CO). Put another way, Nate's results currently say that Obma will win if he can just hold the states in which Nate thinks he has a 72% or better chance. The rest of the looking-good-for-Obama states (MI at 68%, MI at 63%, FL, VA, etc.) would just be gravy.

David in CA

Juris said...

Nate, a suggestion for presentation of the EV distribution. Given that you have classified states into 7 categories (SafeDem, LikelyDem, LeanDem, Toss-Up, etc.), and assuming that the toss-up's go in one direction or the other but are within the MOE of your estimates, then could you consider the following?

In addition to your "best estimate" of the EV outcome allocating all state projections that you currently have, could you consider having another EV outcome pie chart in which you do something more like what Rasmussen does? Namely, a pie chart in which the toss-ups are left blank or just put into a "too close to call" category?

A third possibility would be to cut the states into just 5 categories: the Safes, the Likelies, and the "others" (Leans and Tossups).

Then you could do an analysis, or rather write an article say once a week where you discuss which states are in the Tossup or the Lean-Tossup category that week, something that would be different from your other ways of classifying which states are critical.

These alternative distributions of the EV would perhaps be more representative of the current situation as well as the trends.

Your column's title based on this? "Slicing the Pie." And show three versions of the pie charts and tell the story of the race as of that date.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

re Aaron.. I'l try to visit twice as much to make up for it!

Kermit said...

I can't believe Obama is supporting immunity for the telecoms from their illegal assitance of the NSA. KGB style internal surveillance and the one person that projected himself as wanting to the best for America and its freedoms is helping turn it in to a Stalinist nightmare. I honestly believed Obama would make the right call on these issues, what's next Iran? This is a real stab in the back to Americans. I don't care if the bill was a "compromise." You do not compromise with inalienable rights, G-d damm it! This is very dissapointing.

Anonymous said...

I didn't see any mention of the InsiderAdvantage GA poll which showed Obama just one point behind McCain (Barr polled at 6% I believe).

Any thoughts on that?

PS. (((Oklahoma)))---my home state

obsessed said...

Nate - Could you explain whether, and how, your model would deal with a 15 point lead in the following two (Newsweek poll)scenarios?

Obama 51
McCain 36
Undecided 13

versus

Obama 57.5
McCain 42.5
Undecided 0

thanks

Nate said...

@6:35. We covered the Georgia poll yesterday.

@6:36. To see what an Obama 15-point map might look like, just add 10 points to our current projections.

That would have him winning all states but Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

obsessed said...

Nate - Sorry - I wasn't clear in my question. I'm asking whether your model is looking at Obama as 51% or as Obama +15. In other words, are you accounting for high undecided percentage? And how, in general, do you deal with the undecided element of poll results?

Nate said...

@6:36. Oops, I totally skimmed through your question and missed the gist of it. Right now, the model allocates undecided voters 50:50, so it wouldn't treat the two results differently.

Bill said...

What combination(s) of state(s) does that really prominent mode in the Electoral Vote Distribution represent?

Not apathetic. said...

Damn, I'm in Nevada and I can tell you I visit this site about once an hour. Guess I'm the only one.

Anonymous said...

AIX NATIONAL POLL

Obama 44

McCain 56

MCCAIN 08

YES WE WILL

Penis said...

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Anonymous said...

You will winin '08 only if you fix the vote counting the way AIX fixes its polls.

Anonymous said...

Ummmmm, Nate...

"when I rank the states from 1 to 50 in terms of the amount of per-capita traffic they contribute to FiveThirtyEight.com, Nevada ranks just 36th"

Nevada has the 35th highest population in the United States.

Are you sure you're up to the challenge of handling this whole "statistics" thing?

Only kidding. Well, sort of only kidding. But I do love the site.