Last night, Senator Jon Tester impishly threw Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer's name into the ring as a potential VP choice. That set off a bunch of thoughts, because I have a closer perspective on Schweitzer than most bloggers. Without going into too much detail, I've worked a short while in Montana politics, enough to feel relatively confident in the following analysis.
The first time I heard Brian Schweitzer speak, I thought: "This guy is going to be President." That is not a common reaction on my part to politicians. I've listened to hundreds and hundreds of Democratic politicians speak, and I've only had that reaction twice in my lifetime. The first was Barack Obama, the second was Brian Schweitzer.
People have asked me what it was that made me feel so strongly in reaction, and the way I'd put it now is that Brian Schweitzer and Barack Obama are the two "new Democrat" styles that are extremely effective in the post-Clinton era. Both emphasize solutions over partisanship. Both are suspected by Republicans of talking a good game of bipartisanship and hewing to traditional Democratic Party ideology. Both are great communicators, but with different rhetorical strengths. Obama rose from an mainly urban and intellectual background; Schweitzer's breakthrough is probably the single best example of why the Democrats chose Denver as the convention site this year.
In addition to being a strong speech-giver, Schweitzer is a gifted quote-machine. He regularly delivers the glib, funny ways of both explaining his position on policy and mocking his opponents for their unreasonableness. It's hard to think of a more effective way of developing popularity among voters who think of themselves as uncomplicated common sense types. His most notable one-liner is actually a counterpose to the legacy of national Clinton branding of the Democratic Party: "Gun control is you control your gun and I'll control mine." It's glib, it's memorable, it communicates exactly where he stands, it's populist.
It matters when you can give voters lines like that, because the real sell-job is one regular voter to another. When one guy in the barber shop says, what do you think about this guy Schweitzer, is he one of those Democrats who want to take away everyone's guns? The other regular guy remembers that line and repeats it, and now the first guy just learned Schweitzer's position even if he's a low info voter. Low info voters are the voters with whom Obama has the most trouble. None of the names bandied about in the VP talk are in Schweitzer's league when it comes to this ability.
This way of speaking is not accidental. Schweitzer has made an amateur study of right wing radio, to understand how to turn the effective glibness those toxic hosts use for their own benefit into his advantage. Schweitzer is a hell of a smart guy. A soil scientist and rancher, he spent 6 years in Saudi Arabia working on irrigation projects. He speaks fluent Arabic and has an intuitive grasp of the region based on real life experience. Certainly that would open him up to the sleazy email "Manchurian Candidate" stuff, especially as the radical Islamic Hussein Osama's running mate. But I have a feeling, knowing Schweitzer, he'd be asked about it and his response would have people slapping their foreheads in laughter with, "Yes! That's the perfect reply!"
As far as other stats, Schweitzer is one of Al Giordano's Catholic governors. He is known for energy policy, which aligns with Obama's comments about wanting to find a running mate with executive experience and energy policy expertise.
He's young (52), and if Obama were to somehow lose the presidency this year, I would immediately look into a futures bet on Schweitzer. In my mind, Schweitzer would be the clear front runner for 2012, regardless of whether he'd been on the ticket this time or not.
Now, here are a few halts on the idea. First, I've talked directly to family members who seem to honestly be saying Schweitzer doesn't have these national ambitions. I take those things seriously, but I also know that being asked to be VP would almost certainly be accepted, as Jon Tester said last night. Things change when it's real, when it's right there in your lap.
Second, Schweitzer, for all the attention and high profile he's gotten from Stewart, Colbert, 60 Minutes, the Candy Crowleys and Joe Kleins, as well as his hero status in the Democratic political blog world, Schweitzer actually doesn't have a big resume. He's only been governor of a small population state for 4 years. As a good friend who has extensive experience with both Schweitzer and Obama has pointed out, this would not necessarily be the best way to fend off the "inexperience" charge that will be leveled at Obama.
My reaction to that argument is that I take Obama's confidence at its face value - he is looking for quality people period, and willing to do battle on the attack ground of inexperience if necessary. If the truth is that this X is the right candidate, then Obama picks X and relies on his ability to meet that argument head-on and win. Moreover, I don't think the mood of the country really cares about length of resume right now. They want people with solutions, and incumbency starts out having to prove itself as a valuable quality rather than part of the problem.
Another argument against Schweitzer, the one I have long thought most persuasive, is that while most have tended to think Montana is undergoing a blue revolution, the Democrats in Montana have a much thinner bench than most realize and his departure to run on a national ticket would hurt Montana Dems badly. Take Schweitzer out of the governor's mansion, his Lieutenant Governor is a Republican. There's no obvious replacement. If Schweitzer chooses to accept a VP offer, he knows he's going to leave a mess and some unhappy allies who are negatively affected.
Now, if Tester says he'd probably take it, he'd probably take it. You notice he hesitated a bit, and I can assure you that the hesitation is all about what the ripples would be back home. Schweitzer is very popular in Montana, he came out of the 2007 Legislative Session debacle looking far better than his Republican counterparts did (in no small part because of his gift for producing quote after quote about the situation that made him look sane, reasonable and the bigger man). But a valid criticism is that Schweitzer's roster of drafted Dems to run for legislative seats in 2006 was weak at best. Montana had the only state legislative chamber that flipped blue to red in the 2006 wave. The 100-member House had been barely blue, and by 3 votes in Laurel, Republicans took back the chamber, leading to a nightmarishly confrontational Session. (Ironically, the field staffer assigned to Laurel was one who Schweitzer's brother had to be talked down from demanding his dismissal for a harmlessly-intended but poorly executed joke in a local meeting just weeks before the election.)
Montana Republicans have it in for Schweitzer. They want his head on a platter. They hate his popularity. They were willing to go nuclear in 2007's Session to undermine him. Ironically, while Schweitzer will win easy re-election against the painfully nasal Roy Brown, it's an uphill battle to hold the 26-24 Senate, much less take back the 51-49 House (one of those is a Constitution Party member who caucuses with Republicans). Particularly if Schweitzer's candidate drafting ability does not dramatically improve. If Republicans have both chambers in the 2009 Session, the #1 agenda will be to thwart Schweitzer from having any legacy after 8 years to go national.
The upshot of the Montana situation is that if Schweitzer grasps that (and I think he's savvy enough to see all the angles which are more numerous and complex than I've outlined), he might just take an offer from Obama if it comes. It's risky, because he might leave behind an ugly state situation in a vacuum and I do think he cares about that.
Will an offer from Obama come? I am probably the only poker player who has the mp3 of this year's Mansfield-Metcalfe Obama speech on his iPod shuffle. When I hear that speech, it's clear from Obama's reference to Schweitzer that he has great admiration for the governor's skill. "And how about this guy?" is how he starts out. It's obvious Obama has great appreciation for Schweitzer's talent. Obama clearly sees Schweitzer's gifts. You know Obama's thought about him as VP.
But from my reports, which well could be incomplete, is that Schweitzer had not exactly embraced Obama. I don't know why, and again I stress that this is from people I trust who have proven to have great feel for Montana politics in the past, but I cannot guarantee its accuracy. Without going into the personal, I know at least one person very close to Brian who had flirted with the Clinton camp from the early going. It adds up to there being something less than the enthusiastic support offered by Kaine, Sebelius, Richardson, Napolitano, etc.
One big advantage of adding Schweitzer to the ticket would be his ability to play the perfect VP role of constantly tweaking John McCain in the language that would reach the so called "working class white vote" that has the collective punditocracy up in "Oh Noesville!!1!!11!" Tweaking John McCain from two different rhetorical angles would resonate on a much wider platform. And tweaking thin-skinned John McCain drives John McCain out of his mind with rage. All you have to do is quote the guy accurately and he snaps. Brian Schweitzer would keep his cool. He's very hard to rattle. When Mike Lange memorably went on an end-of-session, profanity-laced diatribe against Schweitzer, Schweitzer played it masterfully by not taking the bait and emphasizing Mike Lange in a bad moment was not the Mike Lange he knew. Game, set, match.
The ultimate question: do I think Schweitzer will be offered the job? No. Barely. Gut sense. Perfectly content with being wrong.
Do I think Schweitzer would take it if offered? Yes. I was beginning to go that way, and Tester's hesitating yes pushed me there last night.
(By the way, Jon Tester is just a tremendous human being. He is also the only Senator who, if I ran into him tomorrow, my first instinct would be to give him shit. He's that real of a guy. I'm honored I got to help him. Quick story: A few days before the election, I asked him if he could do anything what would he want to do right after it was over. I believed him when he said he'd want to put on a fake beard for about three days and just go drink at a bar. I love that guy. I digress.)
Still, if I'm Obama, I'd look at Schweitzer long and hard. I do think the Clintons are determined for it not to be Richardson (I have been hearing all the zipper rumors too, and if those have any truth you can be sure that the Clintons know what they are and will have no remorse about submarining Judas with that info, unlinked to them of course).
Like a lot of you, I'd been thinking about a female choice but it does make Obama look like he had to pick "a woman" and not "the most qualified" even if Obama deems Sebelius to be the most qualified. He'd be open to that annoying, nagging charge regardless of its truth. I hadn't thought of how Clinton would react to Obama picking a woman that wasn't her, but it makes a certain kind of sense that Clinton would find it unacceptable. If she has any future chances to be the nominee, it's important to her that she still is the first. (Again, I think there is absolutely no chance of her ever being president. That's just my opinion, now that half her own party feels about her close to the way they feel about Joe Lieberman and Republicans still galvanizingly hate her. But I realize that she may be oblivious to this and will react badly if Obama picks a woman VP for this reason.)
Brian Schweitzer is a noted early morning devourer of political blogs; let's hope he's found his way over here to 538 and posts something in the comments to steer me back on course where I've erred in the analysis (ha ha). I'd also love to hear Sirota's take on the whole idea, because he knows Schweitzer's world far better than I do.
6.04.2008
On Brian Schweitzer as VP
by Sean Quinn @ 10:54 PM...see also montana, vice president
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Thanks for all the info. I just listed Schweitzer, Warner, Clark and McCaskill as my current short list on another blog
Well, I wasn't expecting Obama to run until 2012 or (more likely) 2016, so who knows what'll happen.
It's great that Schweitzer has his finger on the pulse of the blogosphere. Here's hoping that Obama's team does, too-- and that the VP offer is extended to Schweitzer as a result. Obama/Schweitzer '08 is a ticket that can't lose!!!
I will be keeping an eye on this guy in the comingmonths!
But regarding 'inexperience' - I always point to the example of Abraham Lincoln as a perfect example of what lack of political experience can produce.
In response to Gay Ithacan: For every Abraham Lincoln inexperience example, I'll raise you a George W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Franklin Pierce, and a bunch of others. With the exception of Lincoln (who had a rocky presidency in reality), lack of experience usually spells trouble. It's a cherry-picking exercise to offer Lincoln as an example and not a serious argument.
To respond to Rick - looking at our most recent Presidents, I think experience is a factor in some areas, but not in others.
The question we need to ask if is Obama has the right kind of experience. I can't define the two, but it's an interesting question.
I would think that a drawback for Schweitzer would be that he represents a very small state (electoral college vote wise).
Plus, I don't really see him helping Obama in the surrounding states (MAYBE he plays well in Colorado and helps Obama there. Where else would he directly help?).
JRVJ
Regardless of the merit of the inexperience charge about Obama, it will be leveled at him, no matter who he picks for VP. I don't think this is a cycle where it works, but that won't stop McCain and Co. from trying. I also think Obama's confident he can handle that one, so I don't think he feels internal pressure to pick someone with a big resume, regardless of any opinions among his close team.
Still, he has to think through exactly how they'll battle it in regard to the specific choice he makes. And with Schweitzer, Republicans will push the argument extra-hard.
Rick, regarding the experience issue, I felt it was best answered by an analysis over on electoral-vote : http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html
It's really worth the read.
Yes!
Schweitzer is by far my top pick for Obama's VP. Nobody else has the authenticity or integrity to be Obama's VP (and Schweitzer himself has always said that authenticity is the most important quality in a candidate).
I hope everyone here spreads the word.
Don't forget Webb!
Rick:
True enough - but my argument remains that 'government experience' is hardly an indicator of potential greatness or ineptitude when all is said and done.
And what are we going to do when NO candidate has any military or federal office experience (sure to happen soon - I mean, REAGAN was a fluke) - and people actually have to RESEARCH something in order to make a choice? I mean - will the collective national conceptual faculty explode? :)
I like to think of Schweitzer as a pick that would nicely dovetail with Obama's image. Think Clinton/Gore in 1992. Gore was a thematic pick for Clinton and it reinforced the image of youth & change.
As far as I can tell Schweitzer is probably the best choice for that out there. I still love Sebelius though.
My hunch is that Obama will not go for a pick that will help him in a state. Much too tactical. He will go big picture with his choice. Schweitzer certainly fits that mold.
Nice work on the post.
Well don't that beat all. I used to live in Laurel and can easily believe there would be a three-vote split there.
I like the idea of Schweitzer as VP but honestly, for the time being I think he can do more good right where he is. I'm sure Obama is savvy enough to know that too.
I appreciate learning so much about Schweitzer. I read his name but don't have any real eyewitness account info. Good job.
He is a small population Northern state governor that doesn't particularly help with Appalachia (hate to be crass and I happen to live in one of those Appalachia touched states (Ohio)). I like where you're going though and I like what I've learned about Schweitzer.
I'm personally still leaning toward Clark for both some electoral reasons and because...well,...I've seen him a couple times and just flat out like the guy. He's learned a lot since his first run and understands the role and the military/diplomacy role in international relations (don't know if he'd get any love from Appalachia though).
It's nice to see all of this positive attention for Montana and for Schweitzer. I've talked to Schweitzer on several occasions and he always seems real and genuine. Smart as hell, too. I would love to see Obama tap him for VP.
Chris,
The problem is that Schweitzer doesn't guarantee his state for Obama (3 electoral college votes) or in his region (which doesn't have that many votes until you get to CO at 9).
Sebelius, to use an example, would help Obama with women and might tip MO (11 EC votes) over for Obama (plus, she would probably play well in Easternmost CO - 9 EC votes).
Strickland may get Obama OH (20 EC votes)and would buttress Westernmost PA (21 EC votes). Heck, Strickland might even help Obama in SE MI (17 EC votes).
Warner/Kaine/Webb would probably tip over VA (13 EC votes), and could help make NC REALLY competitive (15 EC votes).
JRVJ
Any thoughts on the viability of adding Robert Wexler (Florida) to the mix? Razor sharp, he first caught my attention in his work during Clinton's impeachment. But he's been firmly on board with Obama, despite his district voting for Clinton. I don't know a ton about him, so I'm throwing it out there. Comments?
As someone who's spent an awful lot of time in Montana, I have to say this is silly, no matter how great a man Schweitzer is of his own accord.
Obama does not necessarily need the best man for VP. He needs the most strategic one. He needs a guy that's going to pull him a big-name swing state. Schweitzer can't do that. He might (maybe?) swing Montana, but who cares? Frankly, there's a reason why they call the state M-T.
I'm glad he's such a great guy and perhaps there will be a spot for him in the administration, but he's not right for VP. Obama needs a Richardson to pull NM/Colorado, or a Strickland to pull Ohio, or a Webb to pull Virginia...you get the idea.
I like that link James.
Schweitzer sounds great until we know who McCain picks. There must be a dance between Obama and McCain because if Obama goes with his gut and picks a the VP he wants, McCain can simply come back with a female VP and is suddenly a "historic candidicy" himself.
Obama wins if he keeps OH, PA and MI from being competative or squeeks out the chesepeake states. Alternatively, he blazes a path for easy renomination if the West turns blue. I think Schweitzer will do the latter but not the former. Its the age old question of comfort versus potential. Tapping Edwards, a PA or OH gov or even Webb would make democrats feel like the nomination is safe and secure. Tapping Schwietzer would be gambling with the election in the minds of some who don't know him yet. I have no idea what is the "right" choice, but democrats took a gamble on Obama, and he might feel like it is worth it to return the favor.
anon at 10:52
I'm in Ohio and whenever I see Strickland's name on the list I get a little nervous. I like the guy and am glad he's my governor but he's new and also another Dem (the Attorney General) just resigned for having an affair in office and covering it up. We're a swing state and only recently went blue in state elections (Strickland and Sherrod Brown...Woo Hoo!) I want to keep it that way until I trust we won't go back the other way.
Interesting analysis, good job! What do you guys think of Ted Strickland as a VP? Has anyone done an similar analysis on if he would be a good pick and whether he would accept?
You know, I keep reading "but that candidate won't bring the votes this candidate will," but I have also seen analyses that the VP candidate doesn't actually guarantee delivery of their home state. John Edwards sure didn't in 2004. I'm not sure it matters all that much.
Far more convincing against Schweitzer is the current mess in Montana. If he can pull that out and get the Dems on a solid footing, I'd be more comfortable.
Anon at 11:06,
I understand where you're coming from, but do you think Strickland as VP would play well in OH?
(and you can call me JRVJ, which are my initials).
Anon at 11:08,
In re: Edwards, I may be wrong, but I don't believe there was the perception when Kerry picked him that he was going to turn over NC.
If memory serves me right, Edwards was picked as a party consolidation/unity choice (and to a lesser extent, so Edwards could reach some of the blue collar, small town types which he campaigned with that year).
JRVJ
All this talk about "switching states" is simplistic. Poblano's own model takes into account two variations: State support variation, and national variation.
Someone like Strickland MIGHT get us Ohio(And I'd need to see polling for that), but would he help us nationally? How can we spin off the blatant opportunism, and how damaging would that be to Obama's message.
Someone like Schweitzer will give us a nice boost nationwide.
This is an election with a lot of battle-ground states, so Obama should focus on nation wide bumps instead of regional ones.
To the Anonymous who commented that Schweitzer represents a very small state . . . I think we Democrats have fallen into the mentality of obsessing over electoral math rather than concentrating on what individual candidates have to offer. The GOP doesn't bother to think about that-- Bush ran with Cheney, who hails from Wyoming, a state with an even smaller population than Montana. There were people out there who, when asked why they voted for the empty-headed Bush, would comment that they liked Cheney, for whatever reason (he seemed grandfatherly the first time around, and brimmed with toughness and gravitas the second time around, in contrast to that "wimp" Edwards). Did it matter that he came from the least populous state in the nation? Nope. What mattered was his presentation. (Granted, he has obviously turned out to be a complete monster, but I'm talking about electoral strategy here). As Chris Swartout said above, Obama isn't going for the tactical electoral-math pick. His campaign is much more macro than micro.
Oh, and as for Schweitzer's strength in the surrounding states, he is VERY strong in Colorado, where he campaigned hard for now-Gov. A.W. Ritter in 2006, drawing big crowds and getting voters excited. With Schweitzer on the ticket, Colorado is ours.
Furthermore, Schweitzer will be able to make huge inroads with rural, working-class, white, and/or Catholic voters in nearly every region of the country, not just the West. His down-to-earth, no-nonsense persona will resonate equally in Wausau, Flint, Akron, and Altoona; in Laconia and Millinocket; in Blacksburg and High Point; and, of course, in Durango, Gallup, Winnemucca, and Red Lodge. Bottom line is, people who are usually distrustful of politicians and who detest condescension, tend to like Brian Schweitzer. Adding him to the ticket will bring a lot of these voters on board, and we'll win big this fall!
More proof that this site is all over Obama's nuts. The topic of this post doesn't even mention "Democrat", it just says VP choice. So I am guessing we are supposed to infer its for the democrat side?
MCCAIN 2008
Look VPs almost never deliver their home state unless it was already expected. (Name the last time it happened?) Why does everyone think this is the way to go? Bigger picture is the way to go.
Is there any chance Sebelius' ties to Ohio might still be strong enough for her to help there too?
If she could help Obama pick up Kansas, Ohio, and improve his image with the rural and female Clinton-supporters, she might be the best choice.
Schweitzer does sound pretty cool, though.
I almost hope Obama picks someone with little experience just to bait McCain into playing the experience card that much more. It's a political loser this year.
Change and experience aren't contradictory in reality but Obama succeeded in making it so against Clinton and I hope McCain continues to follow her lead.
Rarely does the VP candidate (unless it's a horrendous choice) seem to have more than a little effect on the ticket (in this case, due to McCain's age it will matter more for him), but, also, Obama could have a few leaked meetings with, say, former President Clinton or Senator Hagel and the words "Special Middle East envoy" or "cabinet" get speculatively tossed around and no one in the press even remembers who the VP choice even is.
It was fantastic to see a profile and serious consideration here for Schweitzer. I've seen this guy speak, and have had an incredible feeling about him for about five years. Incidentally, my instincts about Democratic politicians have been very good so far; when I was 18 years old, I volunteered on the campaign of a guy named Barack Obama in Evanston, IL - he was running 5th in the Senate race at the time, and crowds were so small that you could more or less "hang out" with him at events. There's a similarly positive but easygoing energy that comes off of Schweitzer when he speaks. You feel that he gets it.
I posted a VP Rundown with analysis and rankings for 20 VP candidates, including arguments about geography, identity, messaging, policy, and other criteria. At the end of my analysis, I came to the conclusion that Brian Schweitzer was the best possible candidate for the Vice Presidential nomination, even over a strong field that includes Edwards, Sebelius, and other completely adequate people. Link here: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5941
I encourage you to read my analysis if you're thinking about Schweitzer. Our job in the netroots is to influence the debate, not regurgitate it. Let's change the narrative and reframe Schweitzer's chances.
Earlier today, I posted another diary, about media buzz. I analyzed Google News results for 30 VP candidates, to see what Conventional Wisdom saw as likely. This analysis may be instructive to understanding how we might influence the media narrative: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6168
I personally don't think we need Hillary as VP, but if we can't have another woman like Sebelius (Hillary will feel slighted or her supporters will or whatever the argument is), and John McCain picks a woman and keeps pandering to all of Hillary's hardcore female supporters, then that could really hurt us.
The only surveys we have validate Edwards, and others to a much lesser extent. To me that says that Obama needs a populist on the ticket. If Schweitzer can help communication crossculturally, he's an asset, even without the experience.
QT
The only surveys we have validate Edwards, and others to a much lesser extent. To me that says that Obama needs a populist on the ticket. If Schweitzer can help communication crossculturally, he's an asset, even without the experience.
QT
preyanka
McCain has made it abundantly clear that he will appoint Supreme Court judges along the lines of Scalito and Alito, I doubt female Dems are going to jump without looking.
McCain said no such thing, Anonymous. If you read the whole speech he gave on judicial policy, he referred to John Roberts (the absence of the names Alito and Scalia couldn' have been accidental) as his ideal, and said he would insist on judges who wouldn't dictate beliefs from the bench. I think it's pretty clear he won't be nominating judges near as anti-roe as the right is thinking he will.
Sebelius is an excellent choice and there would be no way for Hillary to attack her.
I mean do we really think that the majority of the women will pul out a "why that ***** instead of our *****?"
I mean many of you simply misunderstand why women vote for Hillary.
It's pretty crazy when someone says the Republican candidate won't appoint judges that appeal to his biggest base. Go for it.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/mccain.judges/
McCain has never been a true conservative. It's pretty clear he wants the RR to think he's going to nominate pro-life judges (like you said, appealing to his biggest base), but that in reality his "ideal" (as he called it) is a moderate judge who honors precedent above all else.
You can read his policy himself and see if you draw different conclusions.
It has been great to see Schweitzer mentioned as a serious VP pick-- I've been a fan since his election. In fact one of my email passwords was set to "schweitzer08" a few years ago...
As far as the "experience" factor being a downfall, I'd say that if McCain picks a runningmate like Jindal or Palin, that lets Obama off the hook if he picks Schweitzer-- neither of them have any more "official elected" experience than Schweitzer does.
Here's the original source, instead of CNN's reinterpretation:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/5385b2dd-fc8f-4bc9-9fb0-da2e2f1d9f98.htm
This is extremely interesting, especially as an opportunity to learn more about you, Nate. And I do appreciate that many people seem to be excited by this kind of general political discussion here at 538. Of course I support Obama like most everyone here and I obsess about anything related to his chances of victory.
But I wish to speak for those more statistically-methodologically inclined and say that we want to hear more for our interests. The GE begins, and it is time to think seriously about what can be done to improve the projection methodology.
A small request: it would actually be very interesting for us if you would wish to tell us more about your Baseball work and how you see its similarities and differences from your work here. Now that's an interesting methodological question!
I second the sports stats question.
So which one of you commenters is Schweitzer?
It is commonly said that the VP has no bearing on electoral results. If this is true, much of the analysis here is useless. If it is true, I would go with a Tim Kaine. If he can flip VA and lock it down, then the contest is over. Plus, he's young (change), white (to appeal to Appalachia regions of VA/OH/NC perhaps), and an original Obama supporter. There is something to be said for endorsing before Obama clinched, and the value/trust factor with the candidate. Had Schweitzer been warmer earlier, perhaps he would have a stronger chance. Of course this is politics, and loyalties be damned, but Obama is relatively more authentic.
Poblano, I think it is time for an analysis re: does VP selection have any electoral advantage? Ppl quote Edwards failed NC, but promote Gore locking down TN..or was that just local effect from Bubba?
To Rick:
The truth is that most presidents have a hard time, regardless of experience. Most are mediocre. A few are abysmal; fewer still are great.
42 individuals have served as president, 2 for such a short time as to have virtually no record; 1/5 of the 40 remaining make historians' worst lists with consistency, which shows that it's a tough job with impossible standards. Experience doesn't seem to be much of a factor.
Usual residents on historians' worst president list (based on 5 different lists) and their national experience prior to the Presidency (or VP slot):
Franklin Pierce (2 terms House, 1 term Senate, colonel in Mexican War)
James Buchanan (5 terms House, 3 terms Senate [2 partial], Ambassador to Russia and UK, Secy. of State)
Andrew Johnson (5 terms House, 1 term Governor, 1 term Senate)
U.S. Grant (none; 25 yrs. military)
Warren G. Harding (1 term Senate)
Calvin Coolidge (1 term Governor)
Herbert Hoover (8 yrs. Secy of Commerce)
Richard Nixon (2 terms House, 1 term Senate, 2 term VP)
George W. Bush (1+ term Governor)
Number of inexperienced lousy presidents: 4-5 of 9 (Grant, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover*, W). [Hoover's hard to pigeonhole in this group; NO elected office, but in addition to the Cabinet slot, he had extensive experience administering humanitarian organizations and govt. commissions.]
Most often on best Presidents list:
George Washington (None*)
Thomas Jefferson (None*)
Abraham Lincoln (1 term House)
Franklin Roosevelt (1 term Governor)
Ronald Reagan (2 term Governor)
My candidate for best President, Teddy Roosevelt, was another inexperienced candidate, if experience means holding office on a national level. Almost all his experience was at the local level, where he built a reputation as an activist and reformer, (plus the fame he earned for starting a volunteer cavalry regiment in which he was the only one with a horse). He served less than two years as governor of New York before being picked as McKinley's veep--total national experience, including military, less than 3 years.
Note that while experience doesn't seem to be much of a factor in failure, lack of experience distinguishes most of our best Presidents (admittedly it's cheating to count Washington and Jefferson, since they didn't have a chance to run for office...).
I would argue that Presidents succeed or fail based on external circumstances and strength of character. Experience as a predictor of success is helpful primarily as a guide to character.
I heard Schweitzer once on a radio interview a couple of years ago and found him so engaging that I remembered his name and have voted for him in various VP straw polls. I recall he talked about energy and I think more environmentally friendly mining /use of coal. I wish I could remember the details because I know I was impressed with his policy ideas (as well as his personality) at that time. Anyway strong case is made for him here and he remains my first choice for VP
Fleisch:
Good analysis, and it shows that experience is not the be-all / end-all of success as a president. Just the comparison between Buchanan and Lincoln is enough for that.
But I do have a few niggles, that might make the overall analysis less clear.
First, as NY governor was only 2 year terms until 1938, FD Roosevelt served two terms of two years each.
Second, Jefferson really shouldn't be "no experience". Eight years as secretary of state, and two years as governor of VA, along with little things like writing the Declaration of Independence has to count for something.
That's what I saw. Buchanan is my best example of "experience doesn't mean ability". What a great example of "When the nation truly needs a leader, a man to unite, electrify and lead, sometimes a man steps up -- and fails utterly."
The FDR example is further flawed becausehe served as Secretary of the Navy in the Wilson Administration and was the Democratic VP nominee in 1920.
And wasn't Jefferson the Veep in the Adams Administration?
The real problem with Schweitzer moving to DC is that his border collie, Jag, will be PISSED.
RE: VP polling
This far out, those polls are merely exercises in name recognition, so OF COURSE Edwards and Gore have the best numbers (look at Iowa polling before Obama started campaigning; how far ahead was Clinton?).
Besides, I'm not certain that a VP pick has had any substantive effect on the general election since Kennedy/Johnson in 1960, with the possible exception of Bush/Cheney in 2000 (of course, our nominee doesn't have the blatantly obvious liability of Bush's low IQ to compensate for).
Thus, I think Obama should pick the candidate that would be best suited to run for president in 2016, and I'm starting to lean toward the good governor from Montana on that score.
poblano, you make a good point about Schweitzer deserting MT and leaving us high and dry, but he can only serve one more term as governor anyways. After that...what is he going to do, primary Baucus out?
Actually....
thank you.
front-paging schweitzer like this could make him the giant amongst whatever midgets will be on that short-list...
I don't think it counts against Schweitzer that it will cost Democrats a major office. That's pretty much true of everyone on the veep short list — part of their appeal is their capacity to win in red states.
He's young (52), and if Obama were to somehow lose the presidency this year, I would immediately look into a futures bet on Schweitzer. In my mind, Schweitzer would be the clear front runner for 2012, regardless of whether he'd been on the ticket this time or not.
I'll trust your assessment of Schweitzer as future presidential material (I've never seen him in action), but do you really think he would be unscathed by ending up as a losing VP candidate?
A Vice Presidential candidate who was part of a losing ticket hasn't won a major party's nomination since FDR (unless you count Walter Mondale, and he won before he lost).
Bob Dole lost as VP in 1976, and then got the nomination in 1996.
If you look at the other losing VPs, John Edwards is the only one that was a contender for a nomination and lost. Joe Lieberman (he did about as well as Giuliani did this year in 2004), Jack Kemp, and Geraldine Ferraro never have had a chance regardless (not to mention Admiral Stockdale). Lloyd Bentsen probably could have ran (and might have got the nomination), but didn't.
What about Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Angeles? He may have a slight issue related to his personal life (a divorce, and having an affair with a reporter covering him), but it's a name to consider.
Great analysis. I'll add some generalized vitals.
The chief qualifiers of a good Veep:
1) They breathe.
2) They won't disagree with the Prez.
Consider some of the past examples.
Dan Quayle ... wtf?
Cheney? (Nobody would dare whack Bush with Jabba the Hut on deck.)
Gore: Clinton defies CW by picking another from the same region.
Spiro Agnew: tough on crime in a scary time actually made sense.
Nixon: Ike distrusted him but followed his advisers.
The list is littered with those who thought their Veep could lock down electoral votes. At most, they pull their home state, but that's been 50-50 at best.
In this modern era, qualifications that help:
3) Not an embarrassment.
4) Match up well for 1 or 2 Veep debates.
But the RNConvention comes after the Dems so we may not know beforehand who McCain will choose.
So 1, 2, 3 are really the major ones. Competence and loyalty, basically.
People vote for the president's competence and likeability, NOT the VP.
There is SOME merit to the swing state argument. In that case, states Obama would MOST be looking for, in order of size, include FL, OH, VA, CO, NV, NM, NH/MT/ND. In Obama's case, the Veep should also be consistent in opposition to the Iraq War. IN and NC remain real longshots based on the polling, which is why Edwards couldn't pull NC.
Thus, knowing about in-state popularity, don't overlook Bob Graham (FL), Strickland (OH), Kaine/Webb/Warner/Nunn (VA), Hart (CO, also has anti-terror cred), Udall (popular name in CO/AZ/ID), Daschle (ND) and Schweitzer (MT).
The major qualifiers if he considers any women: (a) more experience than Hillary and (b) realistically, should be unquestionably competent and heterosexual. So that shortlist (even though I don't like some of them) should include Feinstein, Boxer, Patty Murray, Pat Schroeder. Only the last offers swing state appeal.
And consider Senators who voted against AUMF in Iraq: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), Wyden (D-OR). Plus Republican Lincoln Chafee (RI).
As you can see, a few of them can be ruled out due to (a) too old, (b) from Obama home states of HI/IL, (c) deceased, (d) not hetero (not my bias, but polls lower than anything except atheist).
If he wants to get past the idea of getting a state but wants general appeal to a region, the Mountain States & West, and the Rust Belt make sense. Who would I add to this list? Former OR Gov Kitzhaber, a pioneer on healthcare, still pursuing that, has that western look/attitude (Downsides: the mustache, might refuse. Upsides: smart, folksy, good with a quip, great healthcare cred)
There's also lots of anti-AUMF House members to consider:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml
Notables from that list with other merits: Sherrod Brown (OH), Sanchez (CA), Strickland (OH), both Udalls (CO, NM) and probably some others.
Bill B. to Poblano: You are letting your sports background influence you too much on this issue. Schweitzer would be Obamas worst nightmare. You, yourself ranked them one and two, with Obama #1, many rank them one and two with Schweitzer #1. There would be a media field day with most comparisons being made between Obama and Schweitzer, not Obama and McCain. Obama is a genius in presenting words like "hope", "change", and non-partisan solutions, but "wheres the beef"? Schweitzer, on the other hand takes complicated partisan issues and reduces them to "common sense". Neither has any record of compromise with their adversaries. There has to be a straight man for either of their speaking styles to work. Who would that be? Obama will pick a VP with experience, substance, and a real across the aisle non-partisan record that is well known by all for his VP. He will deal with the platitudes and his VP candidate will help bridge the huge gaps between wishful thinking and the reality of little experience. In sports terms there is only ONE GAME, Obama is the starting pitcher, the VP candidate is the reliever. He will not pick another starter, and make the public wonder who should have started this game.
First, those of you addressing comments to Nate or Poblano --- check the byline. This was posted by Sean, not Nate. Two different guys post on this blog now.
Second, Sean, interesting post! Sent me to You Tube to look at Schweitzer with a fresh eye. Those who want to see him "in action" -- take a look at the interview with Charlie Rose from 2007. Fascinating stuff!
Kevin,
No offense, but Cheney strikes me as more of a Darth than a Jabba.
Sean wrote this entry - not Nate.
Good point, Lisa, yer right.
Sean,
What is you gut on the effect Schweitzer would have on putting the Prairie and Big Sky states in play?
Hey! How come only some of the comments show up when I click on the "comments" link?
I think it only shows the last 25 or so comments.
Great analysis. Schweitzer is far and away my top pick. I would really like the Obama champaign to work "thematically" as some have said in here and not get caught up in the voodoo electoral magic of "Stickland = flipping Ohio, Webb = flipping Virginia". I really think the thing that can flip those states is having a very strong, unified, on-message, new ticket without compromises with the old n' busted DLC wing and an Obama/Schweitzer ticket fulfills the former perfectly.
Also, it's hard not to like a guy that makes a big show of asking his Border Collie for voting advice. I've certainly talked to my Australian Shepherd about the election and he's very supportive.
Sean and Nate,
I like Sean's paean to Schweitzer and want to join some of the other commenters in asking you to deploy your unique skills on the veep question.
It seems to me that statistics could be very illuminating of a question that is often muddied by anecdotal evidence.
On the face of it, it might seem that we have too small a sample size to do good historical analysis. But I'd argue that there's a lot we could glean by state-by-state and course-of-the-race data.
For example, how about some close analysis of home-state, near-state and home-region effects. Likewise with demographics on type and counter type (Ferraro's effect on female votes and on males', e.g.).
Similarly, do veeps provide a bump on announcement or a last-minute tail? Do they innoculate against crises or magnify (maybe too little data here)?
And, finally, what can we glean from data on appearances, debates and media availabilities vis-a-vis the impact various veep candidates have had on coverage for the campaign overall (good and bad)?
Thank you guys for the fun with math. As a scientist, I love your work and my only request would be to see more of it!!
Cheers,
Bill
I'm watching Brian Schweitzer for the first time today. very interesting. very very interesting. dynamic... :-)
For anyone who didn't see it, here's a link to the interview where Jon Tester "nominated" Schweitzer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVbw2LiDnU
(By the way, econo, which candidate does your dog support? My dog is from Texas, and he says he can't support anyone, since he's still grieving for Ann Richards and wishes that she could've been the first female president).
Okay, I'm sold! I love the idea of a soil scientist. Seriously, I'm an ecologist, and we need people who understand the earth. The Arabic language background is fantastic.
I must admit, he's not a looker the way Barack "IT Factor" Obama is, but that might be a good thing!
Beth in VA, I definitely think it's a good thing that Schweitzer does not have movie-star good looks. If we ran a pretty-boy like Edwards, the right wing would feminize our ticket and portray us as the Sissy Party, just like they did in '04. One great thing about Schweitzer is, he is absolutely, positively, un-feminizeable.
Frankly, being too good-looking is a liability in politics. I don't know of any research that shows conclusive proof, but my hypothesis is that most people are distrustful of anyone with a flawless appearance, either because of insecurity or because it is suspected that a good-looking person achieved success solely on the basis of looks. Either way, Brian Schweitzer is a regular-looking, undeniably masculine guy with a down-to-earth persona. And that's what we need on the ticket!
I'm just curious, since you are so strongly in favor of Obama, our presumptive nominee, if you ever actually read your own charts and graphs? I'm really puzzled that you talk as though Hillary supporters are some deluded little sect...what about those polls? That win %? That electoral map projection? I don't get it....
anonymous,
These polls show HRC would have a good shot in the general campaign but they do not take into account the consequences of winning the nomination. Nate has written about this in his article in the Guardian. Since HRC has not won the majority of pledged delegates, relying on super-delegates to garner the nomination would be incredibly risky and none of these polls reflect that risk.
Furthermore, polls this far out are meaningless, and always have been historically. The nomination should not be decided on polls in May. It's a mockery of our nomination process, and historical precedent.
Anonymous, here is why those polls are meaningless.
1. Clinton has not been attacked by the Republicans since march. Thus her numbers are artificially inflated.
2. Obama supporters have told pollsters, "of course I would vote Clinton if she were the nominee" because they knew he had won, so they would never actually have to do it.
3. Clinton supporters told pollsters they would vote McCain, (an emotional response to their candidate losing). In reality they probably won't. (Unless they prefer McCain's healthcare plan to Obama's, staying in Iraq and overturning Roe).
4. For super delegates to give this thing to Clinton would take a long time, probably a month or two.
As supers began switching Obama supporters would become enraged, tell pollsters they wouldn't vote for Clinton, causing her polls to drop.
Then Republicans would relaunch their attacks, if it looked like she would actually be the nominee, causing her polls to drop further.
Soon neither Obama nor Clinton would have 2118, there would be no nominee and it would be unclear who was actually the stronger nominee, (most likely McCain would be winning against both).
So then what?
It's now July or August and we still don't have a nominee, we have pished off Obama supporters, enraged Clinton supporters and McCain leading in the polls against both, causing regular dems to be furious at the party for, "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".
Here's a link to a very good Charlie Rose interview with Schweitzer from August07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0i9o-ThOPM&feature=related
Uhhhhh...I think our presumptive nominee doesn't have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination either. In fact, he is helped over the "finish line" to the nomination by the super delegates. Who haven't actually voted.
So, I am just waiting to see how you will explain away the fact that the party is nominating someone who would appear to be, according to your very detailed analysis, the candidate who is less likely to prevail against McCain.
I know that the primary race is over, but I wonder about the seeming willingness to read tea leaves in stead of your very analytical and precise charts of the situation on the ground.
I have watched HRC's win %, electoral college vote chart and maps just steadily improve in the last weeks and wonder. So, it is really all irrelevant.
Obviously the charts will change when people are no longer polled about Clinton...and I expect I will be checking in here to take a look at the numbers.
Thanks for listening.
I think it's more than a little flip to say half the Democratic electorate "hates" Hillary Clinton simply because they voted for Barack Obama. Outside the blogosphere, people's feelings on Hillary are far less rooted in vilification and outrage. (Don't forget the poll that just came out that showed only 30% of African-Americans would oppose a Hillary vice presidency.) In truth, only a small segment of Democrats actively despise Hillary, and I would venture to guess that there are quite a number of Republicans out there who don't "hate" her, either. Just because the anti-Hillary voices are the loudest doesn't mean they're the most numerous. I'm not trying to be a pro-Hillary shill, but it bothers me when a researched, otherwise thoughtful piece drops something stupid like this. I'm going to be gunning for Obama, but if he loses in '08, Hillary -- not Schweitzer -- is the undisputed front runner for '12.
anonymous @ 11:40
The point is there are obvious reasons for Hillary's jump in the polls - (she has not been attacked in ages, she's getting a "unity bump" from Obama supporters.)
And more importantly the polls do not indicate how badly she would be hurt by the superdelegates overturning Obama's pledged delegate victory for her. I think many core Dem groups would see that as "stealing" the election. HC's numbers would drop a LOT in such a scenario.
Even more importantly than that - the polls in June can not dictate who the nominee will be - that is just insane. They are interesting and but they are not a replacement for a nomination process.
anonymous at 10:54
I don't see Clinton as the front-runner in 2012 (in an Obama loses scenario) --- Perhaps if she had ran a different campaign... I think she's burned too many bridges. It's the same reason she is not a reasonable pick for VP.
I am just waiting to see how you will explain away the fact that the party is nominating someone who would appear to be, according to your very detailed analysis, the candidate who is less likely to prevail against McCain.
Simple. He won the majority of delegates. Not too complicated, is it?
over the past few months i've been fortunate enough to hear both Obama and Schweitzer speak - both in Michigan, both to very supportive (but different size) crowds. naturally both are impressive, but for very different reasons.
i agree with your assessment, Sean, that these two represent two different portions of the newest wave of the Democratic Party. despite Edwards's best efforts, Obama seems to be the person most capable of supplying hope to the down-trodden and dreams to the masses. Schweitzer, on the other hand, is a no-nonsense big-tenter, perhaps the most capable of communicating this simple message: we are Democrats, but we are not here to change who you are. (i.e., keep your guns and go to church, we still have a lot to offer.)
are these two potent messages compatible on one ticket, though? i tend to agree with one earlier poster who surmised that the Presidential candidate ought to be the show, and the VP candidate should be supportive. wasn't one portion of the 2004 post-mortem that Edwards had stolen too much of the limelight from Kerry? Obama is very definitely a brighter light than Kerry... but so is Schweitzer.
Bill B. to anonymous who wrote "In truth, only a small segment of Democrats actively despise Hillary.
Please ponder this. On Jan 15 in Michigan with only Hillarys name on the ballot, 40% of the Democrats who voted in the primary got out in snow, and freezing temperatures waited in line and wasted 1/2 a day, just to vote uncommitted. I would venture to say, since this was in essence a vote against Hillary, all of those 40% of Democrats "despise" Hillary, and polls show many more than 40% of the Republicans nation wide "despise" both Clintons.
Anon 12:51,
Why would you assume that someone who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan hates Clinton. There was an active campaign to have Obama and Edwards supporters vote uncommitted. It's logically possible that those who voted uncommitted simply preferred another candidate to Clinton, even if they like or were noncommital about her.
Fascinating post, though my ignorant read of Schweitzer was that he was far to the right of Obama, who was to the right of Clinton, if those old terms mean much of anything, but maybe I'm making too much of the cute gun comment.
Question: Do women like him? Is he just another white male, or is there cross-gender connection? I know these are tough times to get a read on that, given the inherent sadness for women in the Hillary loss (complementing the inherent joy for African-Americans).
Where does Schweitzer stand on Roe v Wade? I could probably live with someone who is apparently a Neanderthal on gun control, but I draw the line at someone who isn't a strong supporter of a woman's right to choose.
Bill B. to Mike:To start with,I never said hate, I said despise. Hate is always controlled by emotion, despise can be the result of a logical conclusion. As for "logically possible", my "venture" is also "logically possible". If you read my post the way I wrote it instead of the way you interpreted it, you wouldn't be acting like I just shot you. Start by looking up the word "venture". Synonyms are: bet, gamble, wager,dare, etc. It is my opinion that most bets, etc. are made on assumptions. Polls also show that even those who despise Hillary sometimes vote for her, to cause chaos. Other polls show that others vote for her, even though they despise her, just because she isn't black. Taking into consideration all of these variables, I am still comfortable with what I "ventured to say".
What I like about the idea of Schweitzer on the ticket is that he's about as close as you can get to the anti-Cheney. You'd get the urbal-rural contrast, a confirmation of Obama's looking westward, but most of all a resistance to executive overreach from the OVP.
That said, as with Virginia, the Democrats are only just putting down roots in Montana, and you don't necessarily want to upset that by removing a popular governor and putting him in a position where he'd necessarily be giving up some of the power of the office he'd inherit.
I like it. It's a choice that reinforces the brand, like Gore for Clinton. Both are outsiders, reformers, change agents. But it's also complementary: urban/rural, eloquent/plain-spoken. (Also, great photo-op... Schweitzer putting a bolo tie on Obama.)
Schweitzer is pro-choice, he said so in the Charlie Rose interview.
As for him being more right wing, keep in mind that he is a western populist.
Yes he is pro-gun, but that so are a lot of people in CO, VA and other potential swing states.
His knoweldge of energy policy and the middle east is outstanding.
He favors diplomacy with our enemies.
More importantly he actually implemented progressive policies in Montana.
He levied a $1/carton tobacco tax to pay for childrens healthcare.
He instituted a program where small businesses are subsidized 50% to pay for healthcare.
He invested more money in education, both k-12 and Higher Ed than anytime in Montana history.
Hell, they even now teach the history of all 7 Indian nations in Montana as part of a larger cultural awarness initiative.
And the results of this?
Approval ratings in the high 60's low 70's!
This is a man who was the first in his family to go to college.
He graduated with a degree in Agronomics and got a PHD in soil science.
Moved to Saudi Arabia for 7 years to work on irrigation systems where he learned fluent Arabic and studied the history of the region.
He returned to run unsuccesfully for the Senate then ran and run the governorship by mastering the art of communicating with working class, white collar voters.
This is a man who is famous for writing his own speeches and then delivering them with nothing more to glance at than a hand written napkin!
He can talk at length about substantive issues, going into great detail about what he plans to do, all the while pouring forth clever quips, quotes and home spun anecdotes.
His conversational style of speech is never boring and goes over incredible well with the exact kind of voters Obama is having problems with.
I have looked into all of the potential VP picks, and though I previously favored Richardson or Sebelius I now throw my full support to Brian Schweitzer.
With him on the ticket there won't be a person in the country we can't reach!
Want to win over middle-upper class? Send in Obama to wow them with his mad oratorical skills.
Need to reach lower income, less educated blue collar folks in rural areas and Appalachia? Send in Schweitzer who will bowl them over, explain how dems can help them with their real world problems and win us Va, WV, NC and perhaps even Ga!
You want a mandate? Then you need to win and win big, Schweitzer is the man who can deliver the goods.
With him and Obama stumping across America, Old Man McCain won't know what hit him.
You want to win independents?Schweitzer WILL get you independents.
You want disgruntled Republicans? Schweitzer WILL get you republicans.
You want to win big, with a 10% win in November and a 300+ electoral vote mandate?
Brian Schweitzer WILL help deliver that mandate!
Obama/Schweitzer 08, THE UNBEATABLE DREAM TICKET!
Lets not forget something important.
Whomever Obama chooses must echo Obama's message of change.
Schweitzer is the perfect candidate.
-opposed Iraq war from beginning
-believes in diplomacy with our enemies
-Is one of the greatest communicators of our time
-Believes in getting things done for all people, ie, his progressive accomplishments in MT.
-Post Partisan, he chose a moderate Republican for his lietenant gov for god's sake!
I hope Obama's team looks past the ludicrous ideas of the past such as, "this governor can deliver this state, or that senator can deliver that state" and instead see the golden oppertunity that lies in the silver tongued govenor of the big sky state.
Adam Galas-- all I can say to that is, AMEN!!!! I've been making these same arguments for months, all over the blogosphere! Obama campaign, are you paying attention?
Great Schweitzer interview with Charlie Rose:
http://www.youtube.com/v/B0i9o-ThOPM&hl=en
WOW, he's great.
Wonderful read Nate. I have always been a Schweitzer fan. The way of his words, his wit, he would be perfect political fodder to McCain. In fact, the perfect attack dog, but not looking as he is attacking.
I too, hope Obama takes a good hard look at him.
I want to agree with everyone who's downplayed the experience issue in Obama's VP. I think it was Larison who put it best a little while ago: if Obama does indeed view his inexperience as a problem and therefore picks a very "experienced" seeming VP, that pick merely reinforces the idea that Obama is inexperienced and weak for that reason. Same with picking Webb to appeal to Appalachians, etc. "I may be inexperienced, but look at all the brilliant, experienced people I'm surrounding myself with" work for W but I doubt if it'll work for Obama. He needs an actual response to the accusation of inexperience, not a VP pick that attempts to make up for any perceived deficit--that's just as likely to turn it into an actual deficit.
I grew up in Colorado and I have no doubt that Brian Schweitzer would play very very well there. Given that the Dem convention will be in Denver, the state would be damn near a lock to go blue if he is on the ticket. Picking Schweitzer would also help expand the Democratic party into the mountain west region, where the ground is very fertile, I believe, due to the party's commitment to preserving the environment. People take that stuff very seriously out west.
Another good thing about Schweitzer is that his appeal is not necessarily regional. I believe that blue-collar whites in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, WV, Virginia etc. would really take to him. He operates very naturally on that level and is very authentic.
There are a lot of good VP options for Obama, and I would definitely put Brian Schweitzer in the short list.
The obvious weakness in McCain's inexperienced attack on is- what good is that experience if it led McCain to be one of the primary pushers of the wrong war? Obama successfully used it turn around Hillary's attack on the same point. The posted analysis convinces me that Schweitzer's style would be a big asset in getting that point across to rural voters... as well as having success at exposing the culture smears against Obama as dishonesty which should not incriminate Obama so much as the traditional lie-lie-lie politics that has screwed the country, which Obama correctly identified as a stumbling block to a better government.)
Schweitzer could also be a persuasive voice for voters who'd mistrust Obama on guns or have bought a distorted view of Obama's values.
I would maintain that the right kind of very experienced person could still fit well. For example, Bill Bradley did 18 years in the Senate and yet harps on many of the same reform themes as Obama. But with someone like Bradley, I'm not sure you necessarily reach any voters that Obama's not already going to reach. With Schweitzer, it sounds like you reach many.
Who of all the potential VP candidates Obama feels comfortable with as his primary advisor... who the hell knows?
My vote for the anonymous Swhweitzer post:
The real problem with Schweitzer moving to DC is that his border collie, Jag, will be PISSED.
LeFiffre-I thought the same thing!
Lisa-I'm concerned that your belief that McCain will not pick judges who will undermine reproductive freedom is shared by others. Even if McCain himself is against picking such judges, his comments to the contrary are disturbing: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/06/_winstonsalem_ncforeshadowing.html
At the least, don't you think he would face a lot of pressure from the people who got him elected to pick anti-abortion judges?
Bottom line, McCain's position as candidate for president is that he wants Roberts and Alito clones and he needs to be held accountable for that.
LeFiffre-I thought the same thing!
Lisa-I'm concerned that your belief that McCain will not pick judges who will undermine reproductive freedom is shared by others. Even if McCain himself is against picking such judges, his comments to the contrary are disturbing: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/06/_winstonsalem_ncforeshadowing.html
At the least, don't you think he would face a lot of pressure from the people who got him elected to pick anti-abortion judges?
Bottom line, McCain's position as candidate for president is that he wants Roberts and Alito clones and he needs to be held accountable for that.
I am one of Brian Schweitzers relative.
If you want an individual who is real, smart, honest and is in touch with the common person then Brian is your man.
I find it amusing when I see George W. Bush on TV driving around his ranch and acting like a windsheild cowboy. I don't think he has even seen a cow. When you see Brian on TV working on his ranch you can be assured that he has worked hard his entire life on his and his parents ranch. Adam and Kay did a great job in rasing Brian and passing on thier values of hard work and honesty. Brian has that rare quality of communicating with the common person in a way that shows that he shares thier hopes, dreams and aspirations. This country would be blessed in having his as president.
Schweitzer is a drunken bafoon. Obama couldn’t trust him with the key to the liqour cabinet. How is he going to trust him to be Vice president?
I love Schweitzer for the candidate. I'm not sure it would fly, but I love the idea. I bet dollars to dimes he gets tapped for energy secretary if not VP.
I'm from Montana and I've known Brian Schweitzer practically since I was born. He's a great guy and he really knows what he's doing. But my dad has been talking to him a lot and he says that if he gets offered, he won't take it. Who knows what will happen if he actually does get the offer, but I would suspect he would turn it down. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2016, after Obama has had two terms, Brian runs and wins. He is incredible. He is really down to earth as well. Once there was a fundraiser at my house, and Brian went out and got on my horse bareback and rode him around. It was incredible, and it made me realize how lucky Montana is to have him as our governor, especially after his speech that night. If he does end up Obama's VP, I know a whole hell of a lot of MT Republicans who would vote Democratic just to have him in Washington.
After watching the drunken bafoon make an ass out of himself at the Great Falls Burns Tester debate, this is one Democrat that will never vote for him again. If he climbed on your horse bareback, it was because he was drunk and was trying to be the center of attention again.
To the Anonymous who called Brian a "drunken bafoon" in response to me saying he rode my horse...NO he barely drinks. He grew up on a ranch, working with animals and he was not being the center of attention. No one but me even knew he did that. Until I posted it on here of course...
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