6.09.2008

The best move of the general election season (so far)

Obama to set up anti-disinformation SWAT team:

Barack Obama is recruiting senior staff to a new unit which will combat virulent rumor campaigns on the internet that threaten to cost him votes in the presidential election against John McCain.

The unit is part of a huge expansion of Obama's campaign team as he shifts from the Democratic nomination race to the campaign for November's election.
It's become hackneyed to say this, but the underlying dynamics of the election do favor Obama. We'll see if he begins to get a bounce in his state-by-state polling over the coming weeks. I think he very well might, and we may wind up talking about an endgame in which in order to win McCain will either have to (i) wait for a mistake; (ii) play perfect Election Night poker and sweep the swing states, or (iii) go negative.

But as McCain himself does not seem inclined to go negative, he'll have to rely (knowingly or not) on off-label elements on the Internet. Hence, Obama's SWAT Team (you'll have to excuse me for being a little Giordanoesque in my prose). We do not know exactly what the SWAT Team will consist of (the Obama campaign probably does not want us to know), but a safe guess is some combination of: public relations staff, law-enforcement officers, hackers, Internet security experts (i.e. more hackers), bloggers, and lawyers.

One wonders if this is a response to the recent plagiarisms and fabrications from the well-trafficked anti-Obama site NoQuarter, which gained enough traction to provoke a question from (and a repudiation of) a McClatchy reporter. If I were a proprietor of such a site, I would be thinking about retaining an attorney.

51 comments

Mac Z said...

John McCain has actually been going reasonably negative compared to the calendar. I think by crunch time, he'll be making 2000 and 2004 look like child's play in terms of personal vitriol. This is because he has a real anger management problem, and the 527s will be more active than ever trying to keep the most liberal candidate in years out of office.

Oliver said...

Is it wrong that I enjoy watching the Obama campaign's tactics and strategy at least as much as I enjoy his stance on the issues? I just love watching a smart, thoughtful, no-nonsense operation go about its business.

There's a certain irony to the idea that John McCain, victim himself of a scurrilous rumor campaign eight years ago, might choose to rely on such a strategy to make him president this time around. But then again, he did hire a lot of Bush's people, and I suppose he knew what he was getting.

Anonymous said...

I have NO doubt it was that stupid Whitey tape smear that Larry Johnson started. I couldn't believe that reporter was actually stupid and disrespectful enough to bring that up with Obama himself.

This whole underground campaign against Obama is, I think, a really huge deal. Without the misinformation, I think he would be up like 15 points. If everyone in America figured out that he wasn't Muslim then he would win in a landslide.

JGabriel said...

The National Review Campaignspot site that Nate links to above, also has an interesting take on the McCain/Davis electoral map that was critiqued here last night.

Davis sounds a lot more coherent in that interview than he did in the McCain website presentation.

Basically, it highlights some areas that might be of genuine concern for the Obama campaign - 12% of PA Dems saying they won't vote for Obama in the general, for example, though that number is probably from an April or early May poll - and some overly hopeful rhetoric on behalf of the McCain campaign. However, it does give a good rundown of the states McCain & Davis are targetting, and why.

Worth checking out, in a 'know thine enemy' fashion.

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Semblance said...

I doubt that Obama is considering legal action. I think that raises the profile too high and would convince some people that the stories are true.

I think they will respond openly, but only in written form. I'd guess that staffers will release written responses and encourage supporters to pass these around in emails, on social network sites and on sites like Digg.

JGabriel said...

Mac Z.: "I think by crunch time, [McCain'll] be making 2000 and 2004 look like child's play in terms of personal vitriol."

McCain has an adopted black daughter, whom I'm sure he doesn't want to shame with his campaign.

Instead, McCain will let the Republican ground teams loose with the personal vitriol. If anything rises to the level where it makes, or is fit to discuss at, the level of the national media, McCain will deplore it and demand that the people doing it stop. This way, he gets the benefits of the vitriol *and* of 'taking the high road' when it's brought to his attention.

Maybe - just maybe - Obama will be able to get under McCain's skin and provoke a gaffe-filled temper tantrum. But the McCain campaign will be working very hard to prevent that (they must know it's a risk), probably with coaching to help McCain keep his temper under wraps, at least in public and for the duration of the campaign.

Of course, that doesn't mean they'll be successful...

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Darsh said...

I'm somewhat concerned about the Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain. There seem to be so many of their blogs popping up ever. I tried posting on some to convince them they were acting against their own interests. I was promptly branded an 'obamabot' and told, in a harsh fashion, to go away. Nate, do you think they'll be a big factor in november?

JGabriel said...

Hmph. Wrong link for that McCain/Davis article I mentioned above at the National Review Campaignspot.

Try: this one.

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Preyanka said...

I want to offer a correction to jgabriel: McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. She is not "black," in that she is not of African decent.

But I agree that it would not be in his personal interest to wage a racist campaign.

However, they can do so more subtly, by suggesting that Obama will be soft on crime, easy on terrorists, and that he doesn't possess real American values, or that's he's not patriotic enough, like they did with Kerry. The guy who made the Willie Horton ad that took down Dukakis is already working on one for Obama. It's going to get UGLY.

Anonymous said...

I predict Obama's SWAT team will have as much success in countering the rumours as ISP's have had at reducing email spam.

Face it, once a rumour spreads it is nearly impossible to dispel it. Even more difficult when those who believe the rumours have already tuned you out, and when you're not reaching them through the channels they heard the rumour from. You think the working class whites in Ohio and Virginia are going to surf their broadband connection and read some pro-Obama blogger and realize they've misjudged Obama? The only way to change their minds would be to get the friend that told them the rumour to make a compelling endorsement of Obama.

Likewise, that voter thinks McCain is a war hero and an independent. Unless he hears some real dirt, his image of McCain will not be shaken by any number of TV and radio ads about the "Bush-McCain economy". It is Obama who will have to go negative subrosa if he wants to swing the rumour-mongering voter bloc, not McCain. McCain is sitting pretty with these guys and has no need to push more rumours than are already out there.

Mac Z said...

"McCain has an adopted black daughter, whom I'm sure he doesn't want to shame with his campaign. "

His chief strategist worked for Ferdinand Marcos, the man has no morals. Also, his daughter is Bangladeshi IIRC, not black, so any anti-black racism wouldn't be against his daughter. Also, I'm not suggesting McCain will personally say overtly racist statements, but he will go incredibly negative.

Anonymous said...

A week or so ago, you stated in your NY Post article that the general election was going to be a toss-up. Now you say that it's favoring Obama. What caused the sudden change of opinion?

Preyanka said...

I have this fantasy ad: Dark, dangerous opening like the 3 am ad, a menacing voice warns about crime or terrorism or whatever, and then suddenly the screen goes white, out steps Obama and says, "Recognize these tactics? They've been used by Washington politicians for decades to scare the American people and distract you from the real issues that matter, like your health care, the economy, and ending this war. Republicans want you to listen to these false attacks and smears because they don't want you to pay attention to the problems their policies are creating for this country that we love." Slam dunk! Kills the swiftboat ads before they even air. Plouffe? Axelrod? Gibbs? Are you reading? :-)

Jon said...

I think the best campaign move so far is when Obama called McCain's bluff to have 10 town hall meetings. Granted, the details have to be worked out, but Republican policies rarely sound inticing when they are not said in 30 second sound bites.

For example, when McCain has to explain in great detail his idea on the "gas tax holiday" he will look very foolish. Tax cuts on gasoline sound great until people realize that there will be less money available to build and repair our crumbling transportation system.

There are many other issues this applies to, but you get the idea.

Charles Pluckhahn said...

I was in Montana last week on personal business. Happened to be there on Tuesday, and sat at a relative's house and watched his victory speech.

We had gone out to lunch on voting day, and I struck up a conversation with the waitress. Asked her if she'd be boting. She said she wasn't sure, because her shift lasted until after the polls closed. Who'd you vote for, I asked.

She was undecided. She was usually a Republican, she said, but things are tough with the economy and gas prices. She's a single mom with three kids, and it's not getting easier. She wanted to vote Democrat, but she was uncertain about having a woman president (?!) and as for Obama, she had heard that he has been a member of (and I quote) "an African tribal religion."

She was worried that if he was elected the U.S. would be sending a lot more money to Africa, which she doesn't want to do because people are hurting at home.

Okay, so what to do? Well, the first thing I did was slip her a $100 bill and tell her to get something nice for the kids. Then we left. (No political motive on the tip. She's a single mother with three kids and I had some $100 bills in my pocket. It really was that simple.)

Next day, we came back and had another meal. I told her that I had gone and checked out what she had told me, and that in fact Obama is a Christian and that he'd been in a Christian church in Chicago for the last 20 years.

Anything you've heard is wrong, I told her. I also told her that she'd probably hear that Obama is a Muslim. That's because his father was a Muslim, but I said his father ran off when he was two years old. She nodded at that one. In the earlier conversation she had hinted at a rough divorce.

"So don't believe everything you are told," I said. "You know, with Obama, the fact that the guy is black makes it real easy for people to make him look like some freak from outer space, so you need to be careful about what people tell you." She agreed about that. I don't know who she'll vote for in November, but I know that there are outrageous stories out there.

So, if anyone from Obama's campaign peeks in here, I'm telling you that this rumor-fighting idea is a damn good one. It ought to be aggressive as all get-out, and it ought to include people who listen to whackjob right-wing crazies who broadcast outside of the big cities.

All kinds of shit is being spread. Obama MUST deal with it early and aggressively. I can't possibly overstate how mad I was at John Kerry for going windsurfing, for chrissakes, while the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth ripped his guts out. DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN!

Charles Pluckhahn said...

p.s.: Obama, by the way, I know you want to be "post-partisan," but I am a life-long Democrat who is very, very, very tired of being shit on for being a Democrat. So, if I were you, I'd take more than one opportunity to let everyone know that "Democrat" isn't some sort of epithet.

If you're going to get anything done after you're elected, trust me, you will need DEMOCRATS in your corner. Don't forget it!

Anonymous said...

As much as I'd like to see this succeed, right-wing internet communities are able to continue their existance only by being carefully maintained echo chambers. Any dissent or challenging idea is quickly deleted if there isn't some ready-made excuse for ignorance of its contemplation.

Many conservative positions on issues simply aren't logically consistent or even pragmatically tenable and the only way they can stick to such positions is by disassociating from and eliminating those that aren't of their own kind. It's from this necessity of conservatism that they get their xenophobia and their justification of guilt by association and/or relation, but it's also what makes them so resilient to enlightenment by simple discussion and forces them to exist peacefully only in wide-spread but low-population communities.

This is why, even online, the largest conservative community pales in comparison to both the population and content of the largest liberal one, yet they manage to spread information to people as quickly as liberals do. If Obama wants to win this war he can't do it by taking on each rumor one at a time or even each community one at a time where his efforts are likely to be ignored through the community's strength of ignorance. He needs to wage a massive education campaign which targets each conservative internet user separately, independent of the communities they belong to, if he hopes to truly win their hearts and trust. Infiltrating communities or making legal threats will only have the effect of having your message deflected from one community member to the next until it's spinning so fast that Rove would be envious.

Anonymous said...

Charles Pluckhahn:

Fantastic story! If you ever see her again you might want to mention to her this irony about her worries: President G. W. Bush has given more money and aid in other forms to Africa than any other president in history. It has been argued by many, even those that label him as being the worst president for our country in its history, that G. W. Bush has been the best U.S. president for Africa in every imaginable way and it is unlikely that we will see a U.S. president do so much good for that continent ever again. In fact, G. W. Bush's approval rating is higher in almost every African nation than it is anywhere outside of Africa. So, if she truly wants to not send so much money to Africa, then she should vote for Obama because he's the furthest away from Bush you can get!

Anonymous said...

wonderful story, but that's one down, 300 million to go. This election campaign has unfortunately convinced me once and for all that American's are just too dumb. Do we really think in 150 days we can educate 190 million of these people if they are so dumb that they hear "tribal religion" and think "he's going to steal my paycheck and send it to Africa!"

We're a stupid stupid nation. I'm so depressed

cafl said...

I'm not worried that Obama won't be tough enough. This article from TNR (someone saved it away elsewhere) might give you more confidence.

Anonymous said...

Well, all we need is $100 times 300 million which is... um... oh :(

In honesty, though, Obama supporters need more to put their time and love for America where their mouths are just as much as they've been putting their money where their mouths are. If each Obama supporter gives $100 to the campaign they probably wouldn't be able to swing as many people as if each Obama supporter talked to one swingable person in person. The truth is that people deep down are reasonable if you approach them with kindness and honesty, despite how stubborn they may seem in groups.

JGabriel said...

Preyanka: "I want to offer a correction to jgabriel: McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. She is not 'black,' in that she is not of African decent."

Sorry for the confusion. I was aware McCain's daughter was South Asian (I couldn't remember exactly which country), but I've heard South Indian co-workers (in NYC) refer to themselves as 'black', and didn't consider the specifically African-American connotation that word usually implies.

In general, anyone of particularly dark hue in this country is subject to racist rhetoric at some point, and my intent was merely to illustrate why McCain would want to avoide such rhetoric, or even suggestions of it, in his own campaign.

My apologies for any confusion, ambiguity, or offense. None was intended.

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Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 11:58 (22:58)

We aren't necessarily a stupid, stupid nation. Unfortunately, too many workers simply do not have enough time in their daily lives and/or available resources to investigate truth vs. spin/lies. Have you ever been a single mother with three children and a very low income?

Giving her $100 and a few words of friendly advice plus a couple of facts may produce several Obama votes in November. She interacts with people all day. Now she has a story to tell and folks will listen. (Pluckhahn, thank you treating her like a human being.)


BTW, I love this site. I discovered it in Jan and visit almost every day. Thanks for all the work and congrats on the well-deserved recognition.

Anonymous said...

I think it would be a HORRIBLE PR move to start suing people who are saying bad things about a Presidential candidate even if the stuff they say is completely made up.

hosertohoosier said...

McCain will not go negative, he will leave that job to the RNC and local candidates - which is likely to out fundraise him anyway.

A southern strategy doesn't work nationally - it makes more sense for candidates in places where it does work to use that language, than for McCain to do so.

Of course, McCain will probably say something by accident that will be interpreted as being racist at one of his 8 million town halls.

The bump you guys are talking about on here probably won't happen. The real bump will be the feigned offense of Obama, and everybody on MSNBC over some misinterpreted "distraction". Cue Olbermann rant. It will work too - if they can paint Clinton as a racist (there are only two primary candidates in recent history that won SC, and lost the primaries - and only one, Jesse Jackson - who did so twice) after all he has done, McCain stands no chance.

mhigh said...

Darsh - I wouldn't worry too much about disaffected Clinton supporters. While they are a very, very vocal community, their numbers are actually quite small. I think the best example of this is when a journalist went to the anti-Obama site hillaryis44, and examined the last 100,000 messages posted there. Turns out that a grand total of 310 posters accounted for *all* of those 100,000 messages. They only seem much larger because they scream so much.

Dan said...

I'm not too worried about these rumors, Obama camp can handle them... what I'm more worried about is voter fraud. I really hope Obama campaign has taken steps to prevent voter fraud though which the republicans stole the elections in 2000 & 2004.

such sweet thunder said...

Did any of you catch McCain's subtle encouragement for people to believe viral campaigns today: "I'm scouting my VP prospects using Google. It's amazing what you can find."

That's a dog whistle if I ever heard one. First off, I very much doubt that McCain can manipulate the internet -- it's a generational thing. Secondly, it's just a bizarre comment: Of course he isn't using Google to scout his VP prospects.

JGabriel said...

Dan: "I'm not too worried about these rumors, Obama camp can handle them... what I'm more worried about is voter fraud."

Minor quibble, but what you mean - I think - is election fraud, not voter fraud.

Voter fraud is when a voter votes multiple times, or votes intentionally in the wrong district, or otherwise misrepresents themselves.

Election fraud is when a party takes wholesale action to change the vote, such as stealing cast ballots, vote caging, hacking electronic voting machines, etc.

The only reason that I offer the correction is because voter fraud isn't a big problem in this country, and the rare recent instances of it have been nowhere near enough to change the outcome of an election. But Republicans make a big issue of it in an attempt to get Voter ID laws passed and drive down the vote.

Election fraud, however, is more of a concern - because, if successful and not caught, it really can change the outcome of an election.

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such sweet thunder said...

I also wanted to take a minute to address this comment by Nate:

But as McCain himself does not seem inclined to go negative. . .

Okay, that comes way too close to assuming either of the candidates has a soul -- we know better. Nobody running from President has any qualms about doing whatever it takes to win. You don't get to that position if you do.

What we have are two candidates who have adopted a more cordial style because it sells, especially outside of the East coast. This is going to make it a fun season for us wonks: we get to see our candidates aggressively attack each other on policy, and creatively/underhandedly attack each other personally.

We've already seen this with the Obama "losing his bearings" comments, and the McCain "Obama should go with me to Iraq" storyline.

Good fun!

Anonymous said...

dumb question about Electoral Vote Distribution chart:

I now get that the y-axis is the number of trials in which the computer got that number of EVs, but then why are there more high red lines than high blue lines? I mean ... let's take the highest red line, somewhere between 240 and 270. If McCain got that many EVs in that many trials - there should be a corresponding number of trials where Obama got 538 minus that number - so shouldn't there be a blue line somewhere that's exactly as high as the highest red line?

What am I missing? (caveat - I'm not a statistician - just an inquisitive moron).

Jesse said...

I have a question that is similar -- about the percentage chances of winning each state over on the left. I'd love to see a historical chart of these to see if his chances have gone up or down over time.

Anyhow, I also agree that the off-brand negative stuff about Obama is coming. Rumors are difficult to quell, but a "SWAT Team" could go a long way to planting counter-rumors, (i.e. the truth) and getting it out virally.

One thing to remember is that the reason right-wing talking points get traction is that they feed into preexisting prejudices. That is, it sounds "natural" that Muslims are the enemy so a man named Hussein is suspect, just like in the old days it sounded "natural" that a leftist would be loyal to the USSR.

p smith said...

While I do not expect McCain to engage in personally negative politics himself, we can be sure that his surrogates and sockpuppet 527s will do. Obama's campaign are far too smart to let that go unanswered and will respond in kind.

As for the issue of whether Clinton's supporters will return to the fold and vote for Obama, I think Obama supporters will make their case in clear terms. That involves reminding Clinton voters of particular reasons why voting for McCain should be incomprehensible for any Clinton supporter of sound mind. I'm not just talking about the fact that McCain's Supreme Court choices may mark the end of the road for Roe v Wade. I'm also talking about McCain's disgusting joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly (google it if you want to know more). The idea that female supporters of Hillary Clinton will turn out for McCain in November is fantasy. Indeed the polling data since Hillary's concession already shows that over 80% of Democrats will now vote for Obama (up from 70%).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Very soon the narrative will focus on McCain and worrying polling in swing states as the Democratic vote shores up.

nieddu said...

@Charles Pluc.

Why would a single mother waitress be a republican any way?
I know she is not the only one having economic hard time and still voting republican, it just shows how effective the republican marketing and disinformation machine has been over the last decades.
The SWAT team Obama has just set up is indeed a great move.

Anonymous said...

Very good post, Nate, except for the bit hinting that the Obama campaign would sue over false rumors. Legally, that is a non-starter. The First Amendment protection for political speech is so broad that defamation actions are more or less impossible for politicians to win. The legal theory is that this is the political process and we don't want to chill even ridiculous rumors because some end up being true. (Think dress, blue.)

Given his past as a constitutional law professor (lower-case "p" here just in case someone wants to gripe), Obama knows this well. The SWAT team will combat rumors and put the truth out there. It won't be suing anyone. I think Maddow had it right last night---the good way to deal with these things is to bring them to light and mock the people spreading the nonsense.

JGabriel said...

Nate: "McCain himself does not seem inclined to go negative..."

That's irony, right?

McCain himself is the one who went on air and called Obama "the Hamas candidate".

Linking the presidential nominee to Palestinian terrorists is pretty damned negative, if'n you me.

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Hellmut said...

Since race is a socially constructed category, the label black is ambiguous. In America, we used to refer to Irish immigrants as black during the nineteenth century.

In Britain, South Asians are also considered black. I do not know where I read it but an African American social scientist reported about his visit to Africa that a child asked his translator why he was hanging out with a white person.

The translator replied: "Why do you think he is white? His skin is just as dark as mine and yours."

The child responded: "He smells white."

Although it is true that we tend to think of blacks as people with African descent, the original point may well be valid. South Asian are certainly subject to discrimination because they look "different."

The violence against Sikhs is only one manifestation.

While the other posters have a point about the meaning of black, in my opinion, Gabriel's argument remains true. If John McCain wants to protect people like his daughter then he cannot tolerate racism, especially not racism that is based on skin color.

JGabriel said...

nieddu: "Why would a single mother waitress be a republican any way?"

She probably grew up, and spent most her life, in an area where 'common sense' people were Republican, unlike those 'weird damned liberals' - and never had much time, or inclination, to read up on the issues and come to her own more informed conclusions.

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Hellmut said...

Goo question, Nieddu. Here is how I make sense of it.
A white waitress votes Republican because they are paying lip service to the values of rural communities.
Besides, if you don't know how to pay your bills, the Republicans have had a message for you: tax cuts.
Of course, that was baloney because her children would be liable for the federal debt and her family would be suffering over-proportionally from the loss of services and deteriorating infrastructure.
But the Republican message at least validated the concerns of the working poor while Democrats had become afraid to talk about the poor for fear of offending their funders.

stephen said...

re: rumors. personally, i've had to swat down these rumors from close to 10 people. all lean republican but wouldn't mind voting democratic now. the rumor stuff is the usual stuff: "why doesn't he pledge to the flag?" ,"is he really muslim?", etc. i'm often a patient at a local military hospital(dependent) and i've been receiving treatment there for close to 12 years so everyone knows my political stripes. it's at the hospital where the most questions are asked by young military nurses and technicians re: pledge, muslim past. i tell them all the same thing -- how come you didn't hear hillary clinton repeating the rumors? or why we won't hear john mccain repeat them? because they are demonstrably false. that seems to do the trick.

Mikey said...

"Why would a single mother waitress be a republican any way?"

Why would any professional earning six figures be a Democrat? That's what I am and I'm guessing many 538readers are in the same boat.

It rankles me a little when I see people defining someone else's self-interest for them. Frequently those definitions are narrowly based on nothing but income. But if the last two elections have demonstrated anything it's that people won't vote their wallets if they believe a higher purpose is at stake.

"Self-interest" is a complicated thing. Extending the Bush tax cuts is in my self-interest in a measurable way that, for example, troop withdrawal from Iraq is not, yet the war violates my sense of right and wrong in such a way that I'll enthusiastically vote against my tangible self-interest.

When we as liberals kvetch "How can poor people vote Republican?" we're taking a view of those voters that's narrow and frankly disrespectful to their thinking. Fortunately I think we finally have a Dem candidate who understands that you have to appeal to a person's higher values.

Charles Pluckhahn said...

I want to make something clear. I didn't give the woman money for the purpose of converting her to Obama. From time to time, I help people who are in trouble. I've got a little bit of a bleeding heart, I suppose.

I have no idea who she'll vote for. If she had told me she was Republican and would always be Republican she'd still have gotten the $100 bill. She's a single mom with three kids and it looked like she'd be putting in a 10-hour day.

The real point of my story is that the rumor and slime machine MUST be confronted. Will they still do it? Damn right they will. But you don't just roll over and play dead, or go windsurfing while they do it.

You stand up and you call them on that shit. You call into the radio shows. You post on their blogs. You write letters to the editors of dinky little newspapers in the middle of nowhere. You put out press releases calling out whoever did it.

Does it work all of the time? Nope. Does it show at least some voters that you're not a sucker? Yes, it does. This stuff CAN be combated. If Kerry himself had brought his ass back from Hood River, Oregon (nice town and great winsurfing, but Ecclesiastes tells us there's a season for everything, and August 2004 was not John Kerry's season to go windsurfing) and gone a little bit crazy about those attacks, we'd be organizing a re-election campaign right now.

Charles Pluckhahn said...

p.s.: As for why a single mother/waitress would be a Republican, my suspicion is that she's a member of some Christian church that has convinced its flock that Jesus H. Christ was a right winger. I don't like it, that's for damned sure. But that's life at the moment, and maybe one of these decades the Democratic Party as an institution will quit condescending to that group and decide to communicate with them and ask them for their votes. It would be a novel idea, wouldn't it?

Women Against McCain said...

NoQuarterUSA.NET may just be the most despicable website on the internet and that is obviously saying quite a lot. OK, there's some pretty nasty sites online, that is some exaggeration. But I am just floored by the discourse there. It's incredible to me any so called "liberal" would vote for McCain over Obama. The anti-Obama diatribes there are just... nauseating. They are a real disgrace to all Democrats and all Clinton supporters.

Mike H in Cali said...

As an attorney, I'll second what an anonymous poster said above about the futility of lawsuits over Obama rumors.

It would be hard for Obama to satisfy the knowingly false or recklesss disregard standard for defamation of public figures under the NYT v. Sullivan docrine.

For example, it is a fact that Obama's natural father and stepfather were Muslims, he briefly attended a Muslim school while in Indonesia, and Trinity sells Louis Farrakhan DVDs. That would be enough for a defamation defendant in a Muslim rumors case to defeat such a suit.

Anonymous said...

Could this story about Hotmail be signs of the swot teams work?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/is-hotmail-contributing-t_n_106229.html

Anonymous said...

Well, I am no fan of dirty tricks, nor I am fan of the GOP attack machine. But I do think that it would set a horrible precedent to sue people who say things that are untrue about you- in the political realm. It makes you look like a weenie.

Charles Pluckhahn said...

There are some downsides to suing. First, the existence of a lawsuit becomes an excuse to republish the libel with impunity. Second, lawsuits take a long time. Third, a lawsuit of this kind can backfire.

Recall the 1988 Republican presidential campaign, when the Rev. Pat "Blowhard Phony" Robertson sued former Rep. Pete McCloskey for revealing the Robertson had used the influence of his father, a prominent senator from Virginia, to weasel out of combat zone service in the Korean War, where Pat's main duties had been procuring liquor for the troops.

Pat filed the lawsuit to try to make McCloskey look bad, but when McCloskey backed up the story with testimony from others who'd been there, Robertson not only dropped the lawsuit but dropped his aspirations to be president.

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