6.02.2008

After the Magic Number, the new Magic Number

This may cheer up Hillary Clinton supporters. Once Obama is proclaimed to have gone "over the top" of the number of delegates needed to win a majority at the Democratic Convention, there will technically be a new "Magic Number" prior to that vote becoming official at the Democratic National Convention in August.

That magic number will be the total number of Obama delegates and superdelegates needed to defect in order for Hillary Clinton to win. Now, in reality, with the exception of one recidivist flip-flopper Kevin Rodriquez of the Virgin Islands, no Obama superdelegates are flipping to Clinton. But, the last hope of Clinton supporters is that superdelegates will finally see the light as to how flawed a candidate Obama is, and based on that epiphany will reverse their announced decision to support Obama. In fact, this is what Hillary Clinton and her surrogates are directly pleading on an ongoing basis. Superdelegates can make up their minds independently, we have to win in the fall, the map we had in the past two elections is the only map possible, nobody who loses those states in a primary could win them in a general, etc. "He cannot win, Bill." And so forth. Arguments that deserve contempt from people with a rudimentary grasp of observable fact and history, of course, but arguments nonetheless.

Let's assume for the moment that Obama will win 8 pledged delegates in South Dakota and 9 pledged delegates in Montana tomorrow night. Obama will then have 1743.5 pledged delegates earned on his own, 16.5 Edwards declared switches (including Chuck Todd's reporting of 4.5 Edwards-to-Obama votes in Florida), and 2 potential switches of Clinton pledged delegates to Obama in the Chesapeake region. That's 1762 pledged delegates in Obama's column, with 1743.5 of those vetted by his own campaign.

Since at the convention, 2117.5 will be the number of delegates needed to win (barring any deaths or resignations in the meantime), Obama must maintain 355.5 superdelegate votes to keep the nomination clinched. The 18.5 pledged delegates not vetted by Obama's campaign as pledged supporters could also be considered more swayable (for example, if John Edwards changed his mind). So by the time of the convention, individuals totaling 374 votes must stay in Obama's column in order for him to retain the clinch.

In other words, the new Magic Number for Clinton after tomorrow night will be the difference between the number of supers + pledged switcher votes Obama is sitting on and 374, plus 100% of the undeclared votes. For example, if Obama has 480 or so of those votes at some point in July, Clinton's Magic Number will be 106 plus all the votes of anyone still undeclared.

Individuals totaling 354.5 votes sit in Obama's column as of Jim Clyburn's addition to the DCW list. [DCW has not added Obama endorser Donna Edwards and has not counted on the 2 Michigan add-ons granted by the RBC deal who total 1 vote and presumably will be vetted and approved by Obama's campaign in advance. By June 17, those votes will be in his column.] Reportedly, tomorrow will be a big superdelegate endorsement day on Capitol Hill so that the pledged delegates from South Dakota and Montana can allow Obama to claim the majority needed for the nomination.

In a real sense, this is an exercise in trivia, since after tomorrow nobody besides the last Japanese soldiers in 1953 will seriously be disputing the reality that Barack Obama will be the nominee. But to those who demand objectivity in the analysis, there will still be a technical Clinton Magic Number prior to the "I Have a Dream" night of August 28, 2008. (And we all know that assassins like to have their say in June!) I'll keep an eye on that Magic Number, and perhaps whenever one of the Japanese soldiers pops up to mouth off something especially confrontational about the notion of Obama really winning the nomination in Denver, I'll provide an update.

17 comments

Lisa said...

You know, I was just arguing with someone today over whether it was still possible for Hillary to win the nomination. Now, in the cosmic sense, anything is possible. But in reality, tomorrow is the end of the trail for Clinton and Obama is the presumed nominee in the same sense that McCain is the presumed nominee.

I do think Clinton will still make a statement at the Credentials Committee meeting on principle.

Avo said...

What is Huckabee's magic number?

Darsh said...

Her campaign has reached the epitome of absurdity, seriously.

Lisa said...

Huckabee doesn't have a 'magic' number, he has a 'miracle' number. He majored in miracles, you know.

vosh said...

The nihilist in me wants to see the superdelegates overturn this.

Now that Bill Clinton has resolved to outright slandering Obama as being the head of a conspiracy to attack Hillary through the media AND the pulpit(!), can we finally stop pretending that the Clintons want Obama to beat McCain? What else do they have to say to make it clear they are speaking to their supporters, not superdelegates, in an effort to foment rebellion?

This stopped being about 2008 no later than 5/6, and probably two months before then.

Mr. Music said...

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Hopefully it'll be Clinton's superdelegates abandoning her sinking ship starting Tuesday night.

The whole idea that Clinton would be a viable candidate after essentially stealing the nomination from Obama is insane. I mean think about how some Clinton supporters are saying they won't support Obama - and they don't even have any reason to feel that way. Obama supporters would have a reason. And as shown by the fund raising numbers - Obama has many more "hard core" supporters.

Jim said...

Not a fan of your assassins comment at the end, it detracts from your analysis.

KCinDC said...

Why would Obama be vetting the add-on delegates from Michigan? Add-ons are unpledged. Vetting is for pledged delegates.

Jack Evans, the DC pledged switcher, flopped back to Clinton (or never meant to say he switched in the first place).

And I agree with Jim that the assassination joke was a bad idea.

Nicholas said...

Yeah, it was really inappropriate when Clinton brought up the assassination...

Eric C said...

Agree with Jim @05:31 - it may be that Nate and "Sean" were both posting under the name Poblano before but now that they are distinct, I'm getting seriously turned off by Sean's snark. It does take away from the analysis; I'd suggest muzzling it at the risk of losing the very great credibility this blog has built up over the last few months.

Sean said...

The add-ons would be just as likely as Michigan pledged delegates to switch to Clinton, if they were guaranteed by the Michigan deal this weekend. Obama's team would identify who they wanted picked, just as they would for their pledged delegates. Otherwise, the deal would be meaningless. Remember, for Clinton Magic Number purposes, these are people she needs to be able to convince to flip. If those Michigan add-ons were guaranteed, as Chuck Todd reported, then you can be sure Obama will not select people who can be swayed. That is how they will be essentially vetted for loyalty.

I have never posted under "Poblano." As for the great concern over me noticing Clinton's behavior. I suppose it is a little rude for me to remember that she said that over and over and over and over. That's a fair point. I am often rude like that. Here we were, having a nice little post about Clinton's route to the nomination even after it is over and everyone stops caring. Technically she could win if enough Obama-declaring supers reverse themselves. And another route is, technically, as Hillary Clinton has oft been heard to point out, RFK was shot in June in California.

But I can see how rudely remembering Clinton's repeatedly insistent point about how people can get murdered and have it affect who gets the nomination - and associating that with the post's subject about extreme longshot ways to win the nomination - uncouthily undermines my credibility, and the site's. It casts a huge shadow on the otherwise valid and totally realistic superdelegate flipping hypothesis.

After all, you objectors must be arguing that if Obama's killed, this is NOT in itself a Magic Number, right? That Clinton would never try to win after such a thing? So of course it was unrelated.

Anonymous said...

To Sean -

Once it was clearly a joke, if tasteless. But four paragraphs defending it makes it not a joke any more. Please stick to numbers.

David in CA

ObamaAZ said...

In all seriousness, I think there is another "magic number" that is more interesting - the number of delegates Obama needs to inoculate him from a serious credentials/convention challenge and allow him to be magnanimous on several fronts.

Would be interested in such an analysis. I think it would primarily focus on seating the full MI and FL delegations and provide an additional buffer to eliminate gripings about the 59 "hijacked" MI delegates (55 uncommited and 4 supposed HRC that were "granted" to Obama).

By my VERY rough count that it would be

19+2=21 (HRC gain from converting MI to full vote)

55+4=59 (BHO loss from MI)

~5 (HRC gain in MI/FL superdelegates)

Total needed 85
New magic number (approx) 2203

Can he reach this??

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Eric C said...

"the otherwise valid and totally realistic superdelegate flipping hypothesis"

Why are you writing about it then?

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