Since Washington, DC earned its first electoral votes in 1964, no Democrat has won the White House without carrying that jurisdiction. And yet, Hillary Clinton lost the District's primary by 52 points. How can she claim to be electable if she can't win in the most reliably Democratic Congressional District in the country?
There is a lot of flawed logic on both sides heading into the West Virginia primary. The fact is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama appeal to very different, and in fact somewhat opposite constituencies. As a result, there have been a number of Congressional Districts throughout the primaries in which one Democrat got absolutely clobbered by the other one.
Following are the worst-performing districts among the primary states in my database for each of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. These are the candidate's head-to-head vote shares against one another, ignoring any votes for John Edwards and other candidates.Worst Obama Districts
There are 312 Congressional Districts in my database. These are all the primary states that have released their vote totals by Congressional District. Of those 312 CDs, there are 23 in which Barack Obama received less than 30 percent of the two-way vote (meaning he lost to Clinton by at least 40 points). And there are 21 in which Hillary Clinton received less than 30 percent of the two-way vote. Lopsided results in individual Congressional Districts are nothing new; this has been taking place since the very beginning of the primary campaign.
State CD Obama
Tennessee 4 20.9%
Arkansas 1 21.4%
Florida 19 21.4%
Alabama 4 23.8%
Arkansas 3 24.0%
California 34 24.8%
California 38 25.0%
Oklahoma 2 25.4%
California 32 25.6%
Pennsylvania 12 27.3%
Worst Clinton Districts
State CD Clinton
Illinois 2 12.5%
Illinois 1 13.0%
Illinois 7 15.3%
Virginia 3 19.5%
North Carolina 12 21.0%
Mississippi 2 22.5%
Pennsylvania 2 22.6%
South Carolina 6 22.8%
Alabama 7 23.1%
Georgia 13 23.2%
To some extent these advantages and disadvantages will carry into the general election, and to some extent they will not. The problem for Barack Obama is that West Virginia has only three Congressional Districts. All of them are quite similar to one another. And they are also quite similar to some of the worst-performing districts you see on the list above. PA-12, which ranks 10th on his list, shares a border with West Virginia. So do OH-6, where he received 27.6 percent of the two-way vote, PA-18, where he received 34.3 percent, and VA-9, where he received 35.2 percent.
Barack Obama is going to get absolutely clobbered by Hillary Clinton tonight. But unless Clinton's margin is really extraordinary -- or Obama keeps it closer than expected -- this won't really tell us anything new. No, Barack Obama won't carry West Virginia against John McCain. And yes, Hillary Clinton very well might. But this has been an open secret since at least February, when SurveyUSA polling showed Barack Obama trailing John McCain by 18 in West Virginia, and Hillary Clinton leading him by 5. Obama can draw a pretty good electoral map without West Virginia, just as Clinton can draw a good one without Colorado.

I had noticed that my model had tended to overpredict Obama's performance in West Virginia type of districts. So I did some digging for additional relationships in the data, and came across a couple of new variables as a result. Let me describe those briefly here.
"Gay" is the percentage of households in that district that are occupied by same-sex partners. The Census Bureau does not track data on sexual orientation, but it does ask for the relationship status of all adults in the household, so this is the next best thing. Barack Obama performs better in districts with a higher number of same-sex partner households. This might seem counterintuitive, because Clinton, and not Obama, has tended to perform better with gay voters themselves. But it's not the gay voters that are the important factor, so much as the neighborhoods in which they live. Richard Florida has found that this variable serves as a proxy for a whole number of other things, such as tolerance, and the presence of high-tech and "creative class" industries. It also appears to be a proxy for Obama's support.
"HHI" is average household income. The conventional wisdom is that Obama tends to perform better in districts with higher incomes. While this is partially true, there is a complicated relationship between income and education levels. Barack Obama tends to perform very well in highly educated districts with low-to-moderate incomes -- think for example your typical college town, or urban hipster enclave, or the entire state of Vermont. But his performance is only average in wealthier districts with average education levels. This is captured quite well in another Richard Florida invention, the "Bohemian Index", which is essentially the ratio between education levels and income. So we've introduced HHI to the model, but also the Bohemian Index to account for this interaction.
"Veteran" is the share of military veterans in the population. Barack Obama actually overperforms among veterans. This is hard to perceive unless you look at the data at a fairly granualar level, because veterans tend to be older, and Obama otherwise performs poorly with older voters. But veterans are a hidden strength of his, perhaps because of his opposition to the War in Iraq or his presence on the Veterans' Affairs committee. Whether this strength will carry over to the general election against John McCain, I don't know.
I've also re-introduced the "Americans" variable -- the percentage of adults who identify their ancestry on the Census simply as "American", and accounted for added an interaction term between "Americans" and black voters. The effect of the Americans variable tends to be the most profound in districts where there are fewer black voters.
Finally, I am accounting for the number of appearances that each candidate has made in the state in the 30 days prior to the election, using New York Times data as it appears to be a little bit more reliable than the data source I was using before. There is definitely some danger to a candidate who blows off a state. For example, Barack Obama made 20 appearances in South Carolina to Hillary Clinton's 9, whereas Clinton made 11 appearances in California to Obama's 4. We know which way each of those states tended to break at the end.
Onward to the Congressional Districts:
CD-1: North/Wheeling. The oldest and whitest of West Virginia's three districts, WV-1 shares quite a bit in common with PA-12, where Obama received just 27 percent of the two-way vote. We're projecting a similar showing for him here. The only saving grace for Obama is that it's arguably the least Appalachian district, as it has the lowest percentage of "Americans" and the highest percentage of WASPs. In all three West Virginia districts, the question will be whether Clinton can get the 75 percent of the two-way vote she'd need to earn a 5-1 delegate split. The model doesn't quite have it happening in this one, but it will be very close. Projection: Clinton 66.9, Obama 29.1; Clinton 4-2 Delegate Split.
Forgot to mention: I am reserving 4 percent of the popular vote for John Edwards, which was his standing in the most recent Suffolk
poll. We did not have to worry about Edwards in Pennsylvania, North Carolina or Indiana, as he was not on the ballot there. But he is in West Virginia, and in fact he is featured quite prominently:
What's a little bit unusual about the West Virginia ballot is that it lists each candidate's hometown. Something tells me that the guy from Chapel Hill, North Carolina is going to pick off a few late-deciders from the candidates from Chicago and Chappaqua. Edwards got 4.5 percent of the vote in Tennessee -- he actually beat Obama in a handful of rural counties there -- and he can probably expect to do similarly here.
CD-2: Central / Charleston. West Virginia doesn't have any cities of significant size, but WV-2 is the closest that it comes to urban, as it has by far the highest incomes in the state (though still well below the national average). If Obama had made more of an effort in West Virginia, he might have had a chance to salvage a 3-3 delegate split here. Since he didn't make that effort, his consolation prize is that he probably doesn't have to be worried about losing a fifth delegate to Clinton. Projection: Clinton 64.8, Obama 31.2; Clinton 4-2 Delegate Split.
CD-3: South / Beckley. There are whole pockets of WV-3 that are as poor (and poorly-educated) as can be found in the United States. The only thing separating Obama from total oblivion is the large-by-West-Virginia-standards 4 percent African-American vote. Obama will need to turn that vote out in order to avoid a 5-1 delegate split for Clinton, but this is extremely vulnerable territory for him. Projection: Clinton 70.8, Obama 25.2; Clinton 4-2 Delegate Split.
We are projecting a margin of 39 points and approximately 105,000 popular votes for Hillary Clinton. The statewide and PLEO delegates will almost certainly be split 5-2 and 2-1 respectively. Obama will either salvage 7, 8 or 9 delegates from West Virginia depending whether WV-1 and WV-3 flip a fifth delegate to Clinton.
I have also slightly revised my turnout model. As Dick Bennett has kindly pointed out, my model had tended to underestimate turnout in the last couple of primaries. The trick is that Democratic primary turnout has tended to increase as the identity of John McCain as the Republican nominee has become known. The way I've worked around this is to apply John McCain's standing in the Real Clear Politics Republican nomination average on the morning of each Democratic primary. As McCain's position has improved -- meaning that his nomination became more and more certain -- more people have voted in the Democratic primaries.
EDIT: The paragraph that follows originally had stated that West Virginia has a closed primary. It does not; it has a semi-open ("modified") primary, as did North Carolina, in which independents may vote but Republicans may not. Fortunately, my model itself had West Virginia correctly specified as an open primary, so the projections have not been affected. But I have changed the text that follows.
On the other hand, another factor is that there has been relatively little campaign activity in the state, particularly from Barack Obama. And from what the model can gather, Obama activity is a more important determinant of turnout than Clinton activity. While it would not surprise me if there were fairly high turnout as sort of a big F.U. to Barack Obama -- remember what I wrote before about what happens to a candidate when he is perceived as blowing off a state -- we ought to expect less enthusiasm than in North Carolina and Indiana. Moreover, West Virginia has an extremely small share of independent voters, so while West Virginia has a semi-open primary in theory, it may be closer to a closed primary in practice.
Overall, we are projecting turnout equal to slightly more than 80 percent of John Kerry's vote in 2004, or about 270,000 total votes with John Edwards included. That is an extremely healthy figure by the standards of a typical cycle's primaries, but lower than we've seen in recent contests.
I do want to write a little bit more about the notion that West Virginians are racist. The longer version will have to wait until later today or tomorrow. But the short version is: yes, there are racist voters in West Virginia, but there are racist voters in every state. The primary determinant of the extent to which racism tends to be more manifest is education levels, and so the effects may be more noticeable in West Virgnia, a state with poor academic achievement. But there is no reason to believe that West Virgnians are particularly racist, relative to their education levels.
p.s. For the record, I never did hear back from Mr. Bennett, as the Concord Monitor has noticed.
5.13.2008
West Virginia Preview: Clinton by 39 points, 105,000 votes
by Nate Silver @ 9:52 AM...see also primaries, west virginia
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In your post, you said that nothing new emerges from the primary unless HRC's margin is extraordinary. From your perspective, what would extraordinary mean in terms of the number of votes?
The link to Concord Monitor doesn't bring up the article. Please check it.
(On your variable about candidate visits, I think a slight adjustment might be visits prior to mail-in ballot time -- or perhaps 7 days before the primary? -- if there is a very large early voting tendency in a state.)
Anon #1,
These estimates have about a 6 point margin of error, so anything from 33 to 45 points would be fairly normal.
Take a look by clicking on the ballot for several counties here: http://www.wvsos.com/elections/ballots/ballots.htm#County
You'll see that they vary the candidate order by county. So Edwards doesn't have the top position on the ballot in every venue. This randomization of the order is the standard way of doing it.
Was wondering about that. We may even be able to construct a study around this if we know what all the ballots look like.
Yes, you could do that, especially if you had county-level data already in your model (I assume the ballot order varies by county and not by CD). In that case you could test for ballot order effect in a couple of ways.
First you could put two dummy variables in your model (Edwards dummy: 1 if Edwards heads the ballot, 0 if not) (Clinton dummy: 1 if Clinton is head, 0 if not).
Alternatively, you could just generate county level predictions from your model and then do an analysis on the residuals (predicted minus actual vote), and test whether ballot order explains positive or negative residuals (perhaps just use ANOVA). I'm pretty sure that if there is an order effect, it will only be for the top position. There's some polisci literature on ballot order effects.
West Virginia's primary is like the NC primary, in that indpendents can vote Democrat.
It would seem that in a closed (or semi-closed) primary, the number of eligible voters should be important. If you include the total number of Democrats and indepdendents in WV, what does your model predict?
One way to model this would be to have three variables:
# of eligible Democrats
# of eligible Independents (0 if closed primary)
# of eligible Republicans (0 if closed or semi-closed primary)
You could then get rid of the "open/closed" variable.
This should be especially important in WV, as they have a huge number of Democrats but relatively few voted for Kerry. In that sense, it's more of an open primary, as a large number of non-Kerry voters are eligible to vote.
I think you significantly underestimated turnout again.
Crap, I got WV confused with Kentucky. Will fix.
Great stuff as always. I think you're right at about the Media Expectation Level as the Page has noted
Number (as a percentage) Hillary Clinton has to get of the vote in West Virginia for the press to take notice and assign it some meaning: 68
68% is the line of Victory for Hillary. If it's under 68%, then Obama overperformed. Over 68%, then she excelled and what little noteworthiness there is will be taken. I'm sure Terry Mac and the rest will be lining up to blovate, however it seems now that they've even started to lose Carville.
I still hear some dogs barking," Carville said. "I'm for Senator Clinton, but I think the great likelihood is that Obama will be the nominee."
"As soon as I determine when that is, I'll send him a check," he added.
Actually, I had WV correctly specified as an open primary in my model, but got the write-up wrong. So I need to fix the text, but the projection itself will not change.
I like the whole "mysterious blogger" thing you have going. It's like you're some sort of superhero. Who is that masked man!? Good luck on WV.
"Gay" is the percentage of households in that district that are occupied by same-sex partners. The Census Bureau does not track data on sexual orientation, but it does ask for the relationship status of all adults in the household, so this is the next best thing.
So if a widow was living with her elderly mother, you would count them as "gay?" Or does the Census Bureau specifically use the term "partners?"
No. You can take a look here to see how the census question is set up. The data can distinguish "unmmarried partners" from other nonrelatives as well as relatives living in the same household.
http://www.gaydemographics.org/USA/USA.htm
Poblano:
Greetings from Mexico City.
I have a lot of admiration for your work: you totally nailed North Carolina and Indiana: better than any pollster.
However, I'm wondering how much, if at all, you've factored in the Hillary is "toast" media narrative of the last week. It seems to have shifted all of the national polls a bit. Has it, or will it shift West Virginia a few points toward Obama?
I'm hoping turnout is low as voters have been hearing that Obama has already won. Maybe a lot of them just won't bother. Here's hoping. I'd love to see HC pick up as few as 50K in WV. ... But of course you're probably right, it looks as though you usually are :) Hoping is different than predicting! Either which way I'm looking forward to WV being over. Next week's loss in Kentucky will be easier to cover up in the news cycle because Obama will win Oregon.
I assume this is the same Poblano who appears on occasion at dailykos.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Music By Day:
You raise an interesting question about turnout, and I am interested to see what happens. As I see it, both Obama and Hillary are vulnerable to low turnout due to the "blowout" effect. Namely, if you already know your candidate will win, there is very little motivation to actually vote.
In Obama's case this is because he is largely seen as already having won (although WV voters may not agree), and in Clinton's case it is because she is expected to win WV in a landslide.
I have no idea how this will play out tonight (if at all), but it will be interesting to see.
Poblano,
Huge fan, love your work.
However, as a fellow practitioner of multivariate regression, I am concerned by the inclusion of the 'number of campaign visits' variable.
All of the other variables in the model are exogenous (to explain with an example, the education level of a district will influence Obama's share of the vote, but Obama's share of the vote won't influence the education level of the district). However, number of campaign visits is endogenous (there is reverse causality at play--while campaign visits can increase the share of the vote, the expected share of the vote can certainly influence the number of visits a candidate makes).
I know this will produce a biased estimate for the causal effect of a candidate's visit (a visit may appear to have a more negative effect than it actually had, if candidates are making visits to districts where they know they need to shore up support). Wouldn't this then also throw off the predictions of vote share?
Again, love your work and hope that your are able to publish your findings somewhere after the primary is over.
I'm from WV (Fairmont, CD-1), although I live in DC now, but I did go home to vote for Obama (so he got at least one vote) and I have to say, most of the ragging on WV, well, thats pretty much justified. Most people there are uneducated, old, and poor.
Anyone intelligent leaves the state because its horrendously managed, has no culture, is dirt poor, and most of the people are bigoted. Not just racist, but bigoted in general. For instance my grandmother (definitely racist) is voting for Obama because "a woman is too frail to be president during a war." So there you go, sexism trumps racism.
The only thing WV has going for it is that its very scenic (other than the fact that they remove the mountains for coal).
Obama is going to get trounced. None of my friends and I could think of a single county he might win. Even the only college town - Morgantown - is unlikely because students there are too apathetic to care.
So my advice to Obama fans is not to turn on the news tonight.
Is it your theory that turnout was driven up more recently by the perception that the Republican contest is settled (making the Democratic contest feel therefore more "concrete", I imagine)? That's an interesting theory which I don't think I've heard before. Perhaps you're right.
But it's also an indication of the basic methodological problems in this kind of prediction (where controlled experiment is impossible). After all, there are tons of variables we don't even think of usually (I never thought of *this* variable!), and only some relatively few data points. Thus it is always possible to find variables that accidentally "fit the graph" but which are not truly its cause. In a scientific experiment, you set up a new experiment where you control for all other variables. Here, we make do with what's available. We are thus bound to be engaging, from time to time, in a kind of superstition (the way in which journalists take the outcome of a certain football game, say, to predict an election result, because "it always did in the past").
Concretely, the primaries on 3/4, 4/22 and 5/6 were all perceived to be both competitive (either side, so it was thought, could win) and decisive (certain outcomes, so it was thought, would settle the election). Neither holds now, and I can't believe this should have no effect.
I thought of taking you up (seeing that Bennet didn't), and suggest a lower turnout, but I think your number is probably fine, because of the low Obama visits; but these are surely (as suggested by a previous comment) not a cause of the lower turnout but a co-product of the same underlying political environment.
That newspaper got your name wrong, poblano, or should I say, poblan@. Los Cojolites got it right: "Yo fui a la revolución, yo fui... Ora si lloren poblanas, lloren cuando salga el sol, lloren porque la noche/ no tiene terminación." (song about how revolutions don't accomplish what they set out to in the world, but do make their fighters stronger. Viva méxico!)
To the people who said they were "hoping" for low voter turnout- You sound like Republicans!!!
Is this the change we've been waiting for? Openly hoping that the turnout is depressed so your candidate looks better after virtually ignoring these voters from an impoant state who don't fit the profile of his typical supporters?
Poblano,
Any chance of a county scorecard? I doubt Obama can pick any off, but I imagine a few--Jefferson and Berkeley come to mind--might be close-ish.
(1) I recall learning (don't know from where) that Obama was doing advertising in WV well before his visit this week. Anybody know how much advertising he did, and how it compared with the amount of advertising by Clinton?
(2) I think all candidates "pick their spots" for personal appearances. Obama was drawing huge crowds in Oregon back in March, something that he "revived" in his more recent visit. Clinton was focusing on her "big states" in the east at the time and that's a trade-off she chose to make.
@poblano -
I think you are underestimating the Edwards draw for the white, blue-collar, "American" voters ...
Look at Huckabee and Paul (I know, Paul is still "in" - but Huckabee is out) with their pull in states recently on the Republican Primaries. These are healthy numbers for those two. When McCain can't get above 80% because of disenfranchised Republicans, I think we will see a similar draw for Edwards in WV.
Just thinking out loud.
This comment might not fit directly with the story, but I just want to share with you a wish:
I wish someone like you (538) with their hands around all this good data would do a breakdown and analysis of the remaining super delegates, and try to explore any interesting associations that pop up. For example, are the uncommitted super delegates representing districts where racism is a problem, and their endorsement of an African American candidate could get them in trouble with their electorate? Clearly there will be various reasons for sitting on the fence, but it would be interesting to see how the fence sitters contrast with the ones who are committed.
Good grief, who put WVs congressional districts together? That 2nd district is terrible... That's gotta be almost 6 hours drive, end-to-end. Not to mention that the western portion is solid Appalachia - polar opposites from the eastern portion, which is arguably the outer suburbs of D.C.
A question about the Clinton vote in WV and adjacent KY: How much of it is really for Bill Clinton? What share of "her" vote assumes he'd really be calling the shots?
Knowing Kentucky history, I've been puzzled to see so much support for a female candidate. The husband factor might actually fill in that mystery, especially with her strongest demographic.
It's probably too late for data. The Kentucky poll a few days ago on perceptions of the candidates could have included something like "Does Senator Clinton's marriage for former President Clinton affect your likeliness to vote to vote for her?" with options on making that more and less likely.
Your turnout numbers are too low, imho. 250K people showed up in the 2004 primary -- it's going to be significantly higher than that, even with a lower level of campaigning. I seriously doubt if it will be less than about 400K.
Is it just me, or are Clinton's "big wins" in "big states" almost invariably smaller than Obama's wins? Come on, Ohio and Pennsylvania were both by 9%. A 39% Clinton win in WV doesn't even close to Obama's 63% margin in similar-sized Idaho.
*come close
For that matter, Obama won Virginia proper by over 25 points. The media's kooky when it decides what is a "big win."
Early in the day WV elections official were saying they expected turnout of 50 to 60%, compared with what they said was 40% in 2004. There are also some competitive down-ballot contests.
But "expecting" and "getting" are different issues, and we'll know the actual facts in a few hours.
Any idea how quickly WV usually does their counting?
why is poblano's anonymity referred to as mystery?
> "And yet, Hillary Clinton lost the District's primary by 52 points. How can she claim to be electable if she can't win in the most reliably Democratic Congressional District in the country?"
Oh, hold on, now. By the same token, I'm sure McCain or George HW Bush would lose a GOP primary in, say, Utah to Reagan or Goldwater. But this wouldn't stop McCain or HW from carrying Utah in a general election against a Democrat like Dukakis or Kerry.
If DC is a leftish-liberal electorate, then it will favour the most leftish-liberal candidate. Obama over Hillary, but Hillary over McCain.
woooooow. 39 pts and with 92% in at politico, the spread is (plus/minus 1) 39%. amazing
In response to the question posed by Sporcupine - it appears that 78% of the clinton votes did so because of the "Bill Factor" - so there you go - name recognition at it's best. Given that kind of influence, I believe it's a compelling argument against any claim that HRC won this on her own merits.
Another point is that it appears that 74% of clinton voters said that the Gas Tax Holiday was a good idea and major factor - which I guess can be clearly supported by the fact that 70% of Clinton voters have no college degree. Apparently HRC's pandering paid off big in this state.
A surprising fact however, is that 77% of those who voted in WV today say that race was NOT important in their decision - only 22% say that it was. (if that is true, it might be worth their while for Obama to educate these voters on his plans, help them get to know him, etc as he could swing many over.)
It may also be worth mentioning that 48% of Clinton voters said they would vote for Obama in the general - only 29% said they would vote McCain - 18% say they'd stay home - this is much more positive than the previous exit polls in other recent primaries showed.
I do agree however that Obama should have paid more attention to this state in order to try to close the gap a bit. I understand looking forward to the general and giving HRC her space as he already knew she'd win, but still - some effort should have been made beyond what he did.
-tm
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you are not our mother. She has a soft, pleasant voice, but your voice is rough, you are the wolf.
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who has started the last 12 games in the absence of Yi Jianlian. "I know I've improved a ton defensively this season."
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