5.23.2008

Michigan: What would have happened?

I have received a couple dozen requests in my inbox asking me to apply my projection model to the state of Michigan. How would the vote have turned out if Barack Obama's name was on the ballot? Would Michigan have behaved more like Wisconsin, which Obama won handily? More like Ohio, which gave a big victory to Clinton? Or more like Indiana -- a toss-up from start to finish?

I am not going to use my regression model to answer this question; I worry that such a thing would look like a big soup of numbers, seemingly having come out of nowhere. But I am going to address the question through another approach. Specifically, I am going to take each of Michigan's 15 congressional districts, contemplate their key demographics, and identify comparable congressional districts in other states where Barack Obama's name did appear on the ballot. If we could show, for example, that Michigan's 12th district is similar to Pennsylvania's 14th, and Obama received 52 percent of the vote in PA-14, that gives us a reasonable estimate of how he might have performed there in a normal primary.

The method I use to identify similar congressional districts is called a nearest neighbor analysis, which has applications in genetics and a number of other fields. Essentially, we are trying to find out how close two points are to one another in n-dimensional space. In this case, the points represent congressional districts, and the dimensions represent different demographic variables that we have found to have a relationship with the percentage of the vote that each Democratic candidate receives. Specifically, the variables we look at are as follows:

1. African-American population share;
2. White Anglo-Saxon population share (see discussion here);
3. Share of population with bachelor's degree or higher;
4. Partisan Voting Index;
5. Percentage of population that identifies their ancestry as 'American' (see discussion here)
6. Percentage of same-sex partner households (see discussion here);
7. Hispanic population share;
8. Rural population share;
9. Percentage of voting age population age 65+;
10. Median household income;
11. Percentage of voting age population aged 18-29.
The order in which I've listed these variables is significant, and reflects their relative importance in determining the Obama-Clinton vote share (as determined through analysis of variance). The more significant variables, like the black population share and education, therefore receive more weight in the similarity equation.

The universe of congressional districts that we look at consists of all states that have held primaries (none that have held caucuses), excluding Illinois, New York and Arkansas (because of home-state effects), Texas and New Jersey (because they do not allocate their delegates by congressional district and have no CD-level voting totals available) and Florida (because it too held a disputed primary). We do include the District of Columbia. The algorithm identifies a minimum of three similar congressional districts for each Michigan district, with an unlimited maximum depending on how many CDs it identifies as "good" comparables.

What we then do is look at the average of the two-way vote share (Obama and Clinton, excluding all other candidates) that Barack Obama received in each district. For example, if we identify three comparable districts for MI-7, and Obama received 40, 42, and 44 percent of the two-way vote in each of them, the average is 42 percent, and that is our estimate of how he would have performed in MI-7. We then assign each district's delegates accordingly.





MI-1 (Upper Peninsula). We describe the first district as the Upper Peninsula, but the U.P. proper consists of about only half its population, the rest being in the northern reaches of the Lower Peninsula. Demographically, it's similar to several of the "Pennsyltucky" areas of Pennsylvania that went about 2:1 for Senator Clinton -- rural, white, and working-class. Culturally, it's somewhat sui generis, as it's more liberal than most of the Pennsylvania districts, and has a somewhat unique ethnographic stock full of Finns and a few French Canadians. The most analogous districts are probably in Minnesota and Maine, but we can't use those states since they held caucuses. In any event, the delegate split would very likely be 3-2 Clinton, but I'm not convinced she'd win by quite this margin. Projection: Clinton 65.2, Obama 34.8; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-2 (West / Muskegon). The second district stretches across the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, comprising numerous small and medium-sized towns like Holland and Muskegon. It is known for being culturally conservative and quite religious (Presbyterian, mostly), but it is also quite WASPy and certainly solidly middle-class rather than working-class. I can imagine this district going to either candidate at different points in the campaign, but there are a lot of similar districts throughout the country, and the clear majority wound up in Clinton's column. Projection: Clinton 54.8, Obama 45.2; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-3 (Southwest / Grand Rapids).
Definitely a swing district, especially given its odd number of delegates. The city of Grand Rapids itself is upper-crust enough that it would probably go for Obama (though much of it would be voting in the Republican primary), but MI-3's smaller towns are working class and would tilt toward Clinton. Projection: Obama 50.4, Clinton 49.5; Obama 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-4
(North / Traverse City). The fourth district would likely behave similarly to MI-2, and indeed many of the same comparable districts show up on both lists. Compared to MI-4, it's slightly more rural and working class, but also more moderate politically. Projection: Clinton 56.1, Obama 43.9; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-5 (East / Flint). This is a somewhat idiosyncratic district. While the city of Flint has a sizable black population, both Flint and the rest of the district have enormous unemployment problems brought about by the decline of the domestic auto industry.
IN-1 in Northwest Indiana is not a bad fit, but has some relatively well-off Chicago exurbs that aren't really to be found in MI-5. On the other hand, the couple of Ohio districts the model identifies are better fits economically, but have smaller black populations. Splitting the difference, we have MI-5 going to Clinton by 10 points, but its six delegates being split. There would have been a ton of campaign activity in the district because of its symbolic connections with NAFTA and the recession. Projection: Clinton 55.0, Obama 45.0; 3-3 Delegate Split.



MI-6 (Southwest / Kalamazoo). I'm glad the algorithm found IN-3, which shares a border with this district, although MI-6 is more moderate politically and has a more substantial black population. It also has the college town of Kalamazoo. Nevertheless, it leans Clinton. Projection: Clinton 53.2, Obama 46.8; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-7 (South / Battle Creek). This type of district is extremely common throughout the Midwest: middle-class and somewhat rural, but otherwise largely unremarkable. Our algorithm identifies no fewer than 20 similar districts, and 17 of those went for Clinton. Projection: Clinton 56.1, Obama 43.9; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-8 (Central / Lansing). Obama would do exceptionally well in East Lansing, home to Michigan State University, and win the wealthy suburb of Okemos, while perhaps narrowly losing the industrial city of Lansing itself. But some of the more rural areas of MI-8 are almost like some exclave of West Virginia and have a history of racial intolerance; note the high percentage of residents who identify themselves as "American". The best analogy is perhaps to OH-15, which contains parts of Columbus and Ohio State University and which Obama won very narrowly. In practice, it wouldn't matter very much who won the popular vote, as this district has six delegates and they'd almost certainly be split. Projection: Clinton 52.5, Obama 47.5; 3-3 Delegate Split.



MI-9 (Southeast / Oakland County): First thing, here is a map to guide us through the remaining, largely urban districts:



Oakland County is wealthy and very suburban, with just a few leftover pockets of heavy industry. The two suburban Philadelphia districts the model identifies are natural comparables and both of them split their votes almost evenly. With a 3-3 delegate split all but assured, MI-9 would have few consequences in terms of the overall math. Projection: Obama 51.1, Clinton 48.9; 3-3 Delegate Split.



MI-10 (East / St. Clair): Although located in Michigan's "Thumb" region in the eastern portion of the state, the tenth district has more in common with something like MI-2: fairly well-off, but very white and somewhat rural. Like MI-2, it would probably go to Clinton. Note that there are quite a number of these five-delegate districts that are tipping slightly to Clinton. Projection: Clinton 56.9, Obama 43.1; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-11 (Southeast / Livonia-Novi). Livonia-Novi sounds like some sort of rare genetic disorder, but instead they are the names of two of the larger towns in this relatively undifferentiated mass of suburbia. MI-11 is ever so slightly different than MI-9, consisting more of bedroom communities for auto industry executives than self-contained, high quality-of-life suburbs. As a result, its school districts are not as strong, and so it has fewer young people. The model thinks that Bucks County outside Philadelphia is a good analogy, which went surprisingly strongly for Clinton; we also find Duncan Hunter's district outside San Diego. Projection: Clinton 54.2, Obama 45.8; Clinton 3-2 Delegate Win.



MI-12 (Southeast / Royal Oak). While portions of this district resemble the suburban MI-9 and MI-11, there are also cities like Southfield that contain large African-American populations and represent rough extensions of the city of Detroit. The three best comparables we can find all went narrowly for Obama.
Projection: Obama 53.4, Clinton 46.6; 3-3 Delegate Split.



MI-13 (Detroit - East). Detroit's city limits stretch across two districts, MI-13 and MI-14, but neither of them are purely Detroit, as they each contain some suburban pockets. However, Detroit is the blackest large city in America (more than 80 percent of its population is African-American) and that definitely carries the day. We need a bit of a weird mix of comparable districts to reconcile with MI-13, including PA-1 in Philadelphia as well as an Alabama district, but the margin looks about right. Obama would be pretty close between earning four and five delegates here. Projection: Obama 74.7, Clinton 25.3; Obama 4-2 Delegate Win.



MI-14 (Detroit - West). The other Detroit district is just a tiny bit better off economically, but not by any large margin. More notable is that it also contains the suburb of Dearborn, which has an enormous Arab-American population (29 percent of Dearborn's population speaks Arabic). It would have been fascinating to see how that dynamic played out the primary campaign. Projection: Obama 75.0, Clinton 25.0; Obama 5-2 Delegate Win.



MI-15 (Southeast / Ann Arbor). University of Michigan loyalists would be dismayed to find that they too have been compared to the OH-15 district in Ohio that includes portions of Columbus. But unlike MI-8, there aren't really any rural areas in this district of the sort that might give Obama problems. Instead, there's another college town in Ypsilanti, and a series of industrial suburbs between Detroit and Toledo. Obama would be the favorite here, but it's unlikely he could do better than to split the six delegates without exceptionally heavy student turnout. Projection: Obama 52.3, Clinton 47.7; 3-3 Delegate Split.

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We show Clinton as picking up an extremely thin 42-41 majority of congressional district level delegates, with several delegates that could reasonably flip from one side to another. There is every indication that the race would be extremely close throughout the state.

In order to distribute Michigan's state-level districts, we first need to estimate its turnout. The three states that share a border with Michigan -- Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin -- all held open primaries, and they all had very consistent turnout figures. In Indiana, 27.0 percent of the eligible voting-age population voted in the Democratic primary. In Ohio, that figure was also 27.0 percent, and it was 26.3 percent in Wisconsin.

By contrast, Michigan's turnout in its unsanctioned Democratic primary was 594,398, or only 7.8 percent of its eligible voting age population. That is about three-and-a-half times less than it "should" have been, based on the patterns in Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin. So, what we will to instead is to take the average of the turnout figures in Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin, which equals 26.8 percent of the eligible voting-age population. Applied to Michigan, that implies turnout of slightly more than 2.0 million voters:
State        Eligible    Turnout    Percentage
Indiana 4,733,923 1,278,219 27.0%
Ohio 8,705,230 2,354,721 27.0%
Wisconsin 4,241,563 1,113,753 26.3%
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Michigan 7,618,222 2,039,369 26.8%
In order to distribute this turnout to each congressional district, what we will do is to combine the turnout in each CD from Michigan's 2004 and 2008 primaries and allocate its 2,039,369 projected voters in proportion to that total. That yields turnout estimates ranging from 95,257 in Republican-leaning MI-2 up to 197,051 in the Democratic stalwart district MI-14. We then multiply each candidate's win share by the turnout estimate in each district to come up with the overall vote.



Overall, we project that Obama would have carried Michigan by a narrow margin -- about 4.0 percentage points or 80,000 votes. After accounting for delegates awarded at the statewide level, we project him to win 65 Michigan delegates to Clinton's 63. Certainly, there is some margin for error in these calculations, and Clinton could certainly have won the state herself. But it would undoubtedly have been very close. Interestingly, if you take the average of the winning margins in Indiana (Clinton by 1.2 points), Ohio (Clinton by 8.7) and Wisconsin (Obama by 17.3), you come up with an average of Obama by 2.5 points, which is very close to our estimate.

There is also a strong relationship between our CD-level estimates and the share of the vote that "uncommitted" received in each district:



The correlation between the two figures is .93, which is very strong. Certainly, it is the case that the uncommitted vote was some sort of proxy for what Obama's vote would have been; its distribution was hardly random. But the uncommitted vote was also much lower than Obama's would have been had he been on the ballot. To assert that the uncommitted vote is an adequate substitute for Obama's vote does not hold water, when we have abundant evidence from similar states like Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Missouri that Obama would have performed quite well in Michigan.

62 comments

kubla000 said...

again proving 538 is simply the coolest site online. thank you. i needed a diversion after hillary's unfortunate remarks.

PReader said...

This is awesome. Just awesome. Can't wait to see the Florida model.

Sensible Person said...

Not terribly surprised... I'm pretty sure Rasmussen did a poll of Michigan when there was all that noise about a primary "re-do" and found it tied... which probably would mean a slight Obama win by pure demographics.

Kevin said...

I guess the big complication is that if Obama were to have been on the ballot in Michigan, Edwards probably would have been as well.

AllenJMears said...

Great work. Thanks for the analysis. Perhaps the Clintons should have thought twice about asking for a revote - they'd be further in debt than they are now, and be no closer to closing Obama's significant delegate lead. I'm not sure why the DNC and the Obama campaign didn't call their bluff.. perhaps because by allowing a re-vote in Michigan would open the re-vote in Florida, in addition to causing the DNC to lose its upper hand with states scheduling primaries outside the "first states" window.

Anonymous said...

Being a statistician myself... I AM IMPRESSED WITH YOUR ANALYSIS AND THIS SITE. Keep up the excellent work and I will continue to check this site everyday

vosh said...

Thank you, poblano. This is excellent. I always figured Michigan would favor Obama. This is a bit worse for him than I would've thought, but still very valuable evidence to fight against the laughable attempts to give credence to the Jan 15th unconstitutional, Soviet-style straw poll.

The exit poll of that straw poll showed that if Obama and Edwards had been on the ballot, it would've been Clinton 46, Obama 35, Edwards 12. 18% of the people who chose Obama and 30% of the people who chose Edwards voted for Clinton. Factor in the likely preferences of the estimated 1.4 million voters who didn't vote but would have in a fair election, and it's highly debatable that Clinton would have won even by a small margin.

Maybe this will stop Todd Beeton from continuing to assert that Michigan is a "Clinton stronghold."

Sensible Person, here is that Rasmussen poll conducted in early March: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_democratic_presidential_primary

41-41, very good for Obama considering he'd yet to campaign there.

Max said...

Don't you have to take John Edwards into account as well, since he was still partially viable at this point, and it seems like he would have done well in MI. However, since he didn't compete in any industrial states (only IA, NH, NV, and SC), it is difficult to see his 2008 strength among those voters.

Populista said...

Poblano. You are the single greatest genius. How do you do this? You must work full time. Who pays you? You have to have some kind of team.

Amazing work.

justin. said...

like the above comments say, wow. you do an amazing job with stats and 538 has quickly become one of my favorite sites this primary season. keep up the great work!

Anonymous said...

OK, this is sooo good that I'm going to challenge you and raise a bit of very recent history. What if you had applied THIS method to predicting the KY outcome. How much better would it have been than your regression approach? (Have to account for Edwards-Uncommitted, but otherwise it should apply.) (And while you're at it, does this do better with Oregon as well?)

Thanks for considering this suggestion.

Joe Garland said...

The month when this hypothetical primary takes place should be considered in this model, if only for political reasons. For example, Obama's performance in certain Missouri districts may have differed from his performance in similar Pennsylvania districts based upon Clinton's shift to the right later in the primary season.

If we're talking about a legitimate January primary, maybe the MO tally should carry more weight -- but prediction of a hypothetical June revote might give the PA tally more importance. Factoring for this variable would certainly be difficult, and may well be impossible. But it's something to consider.

Anonymous said...

Excellent analysis. Now in November, we can avoid putting 120 million Americans through the drudgery of actually voting and just extrapolate the winner based on similar elections. Like 1968, and 1972, and 1980, and 1984, and 1988, and 2000, and 2004.

I'm just getting word from our election center that McCain did/will win with 355 electoral votes and 56% of the vote.

davidshor said...

Any chance you could do it with the regression model as well?

The Nearest Neighbor Analysis is really cool, but I'm concerned that you might end up fitting to outliers.

Charles Gaba said...

Overall, an excellent analysis. HOWEVER, you've forgotten about two important factors (which, admittedly, would have made it next to impossible to work into the mix):

1. If Obama had been on the ticket, presumably John Edwards, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden would also have been on the ticket (I'm assuming that you're speculating about Michigan's Jan 15 primary being "approved" in this instance). Biden would have been a non-factor, but Richardson would have nabbed a couple percent here and there, and Edwards would have done quite well with the UAW folks in Southeast Michigan.

2. In addition, you have to remember that Jan. 15 was *before* South Carolina and Nevada--that was what the whole fuss over the delegates being stripped was about in the first place, after all. As of Jan. 15, Hillary had lost a lot of momentum due to Iowa, but was still considered the frontrunner (after canceling out that momentum loss with New Hampshire). In addition, if Michigan had been "approved", the advertising, campaigning and ground-game strategies of all of the candidates would have been quite different from the start. For instance, Edwards probably would have focused more effort on Michigan instead of New Hampshire due to the strong union presence here. Plus, black support for Obama didn't really skyrocket until Bill Clinton's unpleasant "Jesse Jackson" comments after S. Carolina...but Obama also would have been hitting Detroit *hard*.

Essentially, there's no way of knowing how it *really* would have played out, but your analysis is about the most impressive attempt I've seen to do so, so kudos :)

vosh said...

I didn't view this as an attempt by poblano to project how a fair Jan. 15 Michigan primary would have turned out. As others have pointed out, Edwards was not included and there are so many other variables to consider in terms of how the campaigns would have been altered. I think this particular ship has sailed.

I viewed this as an attempt to rebut the absurd "popular vote" arguments going around and to give an idea of what the popular support in Michigan for Obama and Clinton is really like, or what it would be like in a revote. But obviously I can't speak for poblano.

Anonymous said...

Several thoughts.

1. If I understand this current shorthand methodology correctly, then it has an inherent Clinton bias (as you pretty much suggest) in that the CDs for which one is allowed to fit are the more Clinton-oriented (by removing caucuses). Or is the fact that there are more CDs in NY+AR than in IL enough to cancel this non-Caucus bias? (NB that the same bias does not arise with the usual projection methodology; you can train a model on the more Clinton states but it will still find in principle the same correlations as one would find in the more Obama states).

2. I can see why you suggested at some point that it would be useful to look at counties, for the sake of finding variables. CDs are, by design, strange hybrids and it is only because we have so many of them that we can pick the signal from the noise. But one result is that "similar" CDs are in fact quite dissimilar, as we can see from the wide range of results one gets from some of your clusters.

3. The opposite of going down to counties is going up to States or even to the entire US. Now, I understand granularity is helpful for finding variables. (And it would be extremely useful, for the sake of your 538 regression, if anyone would be willing to poll, say, a random selection of 100 counties across the States).
But please explain. If I understand correctly, the algebra is additive:

projection(x)+projection(y)=projection(x+y).

If so, should it not be possible to plug the variables directly at the State or even federal level to get numbers which might be very bad for some reason, but which are at least interesting? I understand you work at the level of CDs for the sake of delegate allocation. But is there also a deep algebraic reason for doing so?

amk said...

4 week lurker. First time poster.

Been following your predictions, which border surreal.

Excellent job and excellent news about MI-which-might-have been.

Jack said...

Wow, Poblano, it is refreshing to see a political analyst who is not afraid to share the gritty details. Fantastic.

canada said...

I hope that obama campaign reads your excellent site. I always thought it made them look bad when they looked like a spoiler during the attempts to get a revote in michigan. Conversly, if i were obama, i would simply push for a michigan revote (some solution is still possible) and put to rest any clinton bullshit about "disenfranchisement".

Anonymous said...

I think there were complicating factors for a revote in MI. My understanding is that state law requires an open primary but that anyone who voted in the Republican primary would not be allowed to participate in the revote. Many Dems took Republican ballots in January because the Democratic primary would have no effect. And there is more re abuse of a single-party primary in a state with an open primary law. Maybe someone from Michigan could add the details.

Agree with others that Poblano does amazing work.

Thank you! Great site. Hope you do hear from the Obama campaign.

Anonymous said...

Poblano

Great work. As a Michigander, I'm really impressed with this.

I'm curious how you think two other factors would have played into this?

First, the excessive segregation in MI. For the Novi-Livonia district in particular (Livonia is the most segregated small city in the country, at 98% or something), that seems like it might be a factor (though Novi is increasingly international).

Also, I've never seen you account for political machine and I think you might argue that the demographics are still the demographics, with similar districts showing similar results. That said, when people call MI a "Hillary stronghold," they're really talking about the institutional support, from Granholm on down. While this IS factored in in your model in some cases (the comparison of Pennsyltucky to the UP; bc I think Rendell's machine was equally supportive of Clinton), that's not true everywhere.

Edward

The descriptions of why the revote didn't happen in the national press were quite misleading--particularly since they often quoted "top Dems" anonymously; understand that there is no one who could be called a "top Dem" in that context who wasn't a strong Hillary backer. In other words, the national reports turned it into OBama opposition to a revote generally, rather than opposition to the potential revotes discussed.

One of the big reasons they couldn't find a resolution for a recount is because there was no way to figure out how to deal with those who had crossed over in the GOP. Obviously, you don't want to open up the whole revote to all the GOP--because then it's not a fair read of what DEms want to do. But at the same time, if you excluded Dems and Independents who crossed over, you'd lose a ton of people who would have supported OBama. In other words, there were tactical reasons, not strategic ones, behind the ultimate failure to have a revote.

emptywheel

Anonymous said...

The correlation betw/ uncommitted and your projected Obama support is probably driven by the black-majority districts and the old David Bonior-district(s). Bonior was a booster of Edwards and the uncommitteds there--which you now project for Obama probably were for Edwards, at least in Boniorland. What are the corrleations with the black-majority districts excluded between uncommitted and projected Obama support? Maybe lower because the white voters are a bit harder to predict and the n is only 15?

I am also not as convinced that Detroit's more affluent suburbs that are heavily white map well into other affluent suburban districts, such as Philadelphia. Detroit suburbs have much more racially polarized voting than other suburbs in statewide and other elections (than comparable suburbs like Ohio, Penn., Indiana that you use to compare).

Finally, I like the analysis, and the matching method is useful but why not present the matching results and a forecasting analysis based on your regression model too? I am not convinced that some of the districts in Michigan have good matches, as you point out (e.g., the Lansing district really isn't quite the same as Columbus. The non-college whites there are much more WV, as you note, than the white in OH)

Why not use the data from the whole country, take your regression and plug in the values of each independent variable and get a prediction from your dependent variable based on past voting in the other states? Plug in all results in fairness, and report standard errors or monte carlo estimates so we won't be swayed by one point estimate in the forecast.

Anonymous said...

Bill B to all: I have been doing a little polling of my own for the last several months as I have traveled through the Midwest and some Southern states. Summary: "rednecks" or Good ole boys" either don't participate in polls, or when the telephone rings, tell the caller to "go to hell" or quit calling this GD number and some other responses that are more imaginative. Some, because they figure most poll takers are Liberal, say what they believe will screw things up. Over 90% of the men I have talked to say they wouldn't vote for a black or a women. When asked if a black was on the Republican ticket and Hillary was on the Democratic ticket they just wouldn't vote. I talked to 70% men and 30% women and there is little difference between these guys and there wives. I asked them if that was the case how come so many of them voted in the Democratic primaries. The one thing that was clear is they were either voting against Obama or against Hillary, not for either one. Limbaugh just thinks he is the one who came up with operation "Chaos", it was already in play at the Iowa Caucuses which I attended and a Democratic friend who supported Tancredo went to the Democratic caucuses, where he said a large percentage of the participants were youngsters, but the adult men he talked to didn't like Obama, Clinton or Edwards. The pollsters are dealing with so many new variables in this election, the chances of any accuracy are slim to none. There is a great deal of talk about energizing new young voters, but no one wants to deal with the reality that in the general election there will be white males 50 and up that would go to the polls on their hands and knees before putting this country in the hands of a Black, and they have never voted before. England and Germany only recently elected a woman as Prime Minister or president, but they have never even had a black make it into an election to my knowledge. It is obvious the media is controlled by the Liberals, but not even the conservative media is willing to touch this hot potato. The reason many Republican pundits are making guarded predictions of a McCain blow-out is because they have been talking to that silent majority everyone has forgotten about. Prejudice is still alive and well, but even if it wasn't, Obama believes you can substitute wishful thinking for substance. While the youngsters also believe this, adults know better. The truth is it makes no difference now whether the Democrats choose Hillary or Barack, neither will win. Hillary would win against anyone but McCain. Obama wouldn't have won against either Romney or Huckabee, but it would have been close. Think about which age group has the largest voting block, it ain't the children.

Anonymous said...

Awesome. I predict the winner will be whoever hires this guy to run numbers first.

Tristan said...

I'd be interested in seeing this analysis applied to Wisconsin and how different or similar the results are. As you note in some of your commentary, the broad demographic data doesn't necessarily reflect regional attitudes or influences. Then again, maybe it does, but I think it'd be informative to do the Wisconsin version to get a better sense of it.

sonia said...

this is great. I do have one question. Does this analysis take into account the time when the polling would have occured? For instance before Penn, and after New Hampshire or whatever. It seems to me that one of the reasosn that statistical models are so accurate in predicting Obama/Clinton voting outcomes is because we know so much already about various populations voting trends. But these voting trends do change. Good example is the black vote... Clinton was leading here Before Iowa. So my point is the rules change everytime there is a polling day. So if you are using a model that takes all the states voting trends into account, isn't that somewhat of a flaw?

(Just like I don't think anyone can predict who will win in November unless gallop polls at present time show a 60point) difference.

Paul Bradford said...

poblano,

This was positively the single most thrilling article I've read in the entire primary season. You do FANTASTIC work.

The fact is that the posters are right that a great deal depends upon when Michigan decided to have its primary. I suspect that if they held it just after Wisconsin but before Ohio Obama would have won in a landslide. If the Democrats were foolish enough to allow them to vote before Super Tuesday, Clinton would have won. If the primary were held after KY and WV, it might also have gone to Clinton.

All of this points to the truth that the party needs to control the dates of primaries and caucuses and states that defy party rules need to be punished. If we care who gets elected, and we want the people to choose the nominee, we can't allow the process to fall into chaos.

Thanks again for a great read!

Anonymous said...

This is very impressive and very interesting. Thanks or taking the time to do this analysis.

I am from Michigan, and so my comments are very subjective. For the most part I think the statistical analyses of the districts is accurate, except for one district: MI-3. Grand Rapids is very conservative, and I have a difficult time imagining it would go for Obama. Again, that is a very subjective opinion.

As well, I am from Oakland county, and despite its wealth, which would predispose it to going for Obama, it is not as liberal as a Philly suburb, for example. I would assume a small Clinton victor in Oakland county.

Just my very subjective two cents!
Great job and very interesting analysis though.

Anonymous said...

I think the statistical analyses of the districts is accurate, except for one district: MI-3. Grand Rapids is very conservative, and I have a difficult time imagining it would go for Obama. Again, that is a very subjective opinion.

No question, Kent County on the whole is conservative (Jerry Ford conservative, Van Andel conservative). And it is a GOP stronghold in the state. But the question being modeled here is how the Democrats would vote in the primary, in a competition in which Republicans would "stay home" and vote in the GOP primary because they have a competitive race, too.

(BTW/ I am one of those who, though a Democrat supporting Obama, chose to cross-over and vote in the GOP primary because the Democratic primary was said not to count and Obama wasn't on the ballot. If they had rerun the primary, however, then under the Clinton proposal I would have been disenfranchised by not being allowed to vote in the Democratic primary. IOW, Clinton wanted to disenfranchise me.)

Anonymous said...

This Michigan analysis is very interesting.

I'm very impressed with your work here. The level of analysis is outstanding and your models are well thought out.

I am totally enjoying letting my inner geek run free on your site.

Keep up the good work.

Philip said...

Two questions:

1) How different was the result from the nearest neighbor analysis you used from the result of your model for MI

2) I hope we get to see Florida soon!!

Thanks for the fantastic service.

Anonymous said...

One thing that no one seems to ever mention is that were there to be a revote, we can be absolutely certain that in both Michigan and Florida Obama would do better than he did then. These states voted very early - before he was considered a really viable candidate by the masses and before his message had really been heard. Maybe that accounts for some of the regression error (albeit the results still look pretty good).

Anonymous said...

I've always thought that the best way to resolve the Michigan issue is to simply hold another primary, with only Obama's name on the ballot. That's the deal that Hillary got, so she wouldn't have any cause to complain.

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"Obama would be the favorite here, but it's unlikely he could do better than to split the six delegates without exceptionally heavy student turnout. Projection: Obama 52.3, Clinton 47.7; 3-3 Delegate Split."
About the Ann Arbor/SE Michigan district.

U of M, EMU, and the local CC's in that district have been going mad about getting students to register to vote, Going to the polls, learning about candidates. There WILL be a huge student turn out from this area, I can promise it.

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