5.25.2008

McCain-Jindal?

One of the important functions that a party apparatus performs is to build its bench, shining a brighter light on candidates who might rise to prominence in future election cycles. Would Barack Obama have become the (presumptive) Democratic nominee if not for John Kerry giving him the keynote address at the 2004 convention? Very likely not.

As such, John McCain is smart to meet with Bobby Jindal at his ranch in Sedona this weekend, boosting Jindal's name recognition and placing him on the same pedestal as better-known candidates like Mitt Romney and Charlie Crist. However, it is hard for me to believe that Jindal is under serious considerataion to be McCain's running mate.

Part of the reason why, of course, is that Jindal would seem to take the ticket-balancing idea just a little too far, at least along the dimension of age. At 36, Jindal is literally half of McCain's age, and he has been governor of Louisiana for all of four months. Precisely because of McCain's age, there is likely to be a greater emphasis placed on the readiness of his running mate, and putting Jindal on the ticket would severerly constrain McCain's ability to draw contrasts of experience against Barack Obama.

But the larger reason is that the GOP has bigger things to worry about than pleasing its conservative base. The Republicans enter this election with something like a 10-point disadvantage in party identification. Turning out their base will not be a sufficient strategy for them to win the election. Instead, McCain will need to win the clear majority of independents, or a goodly number of Democrats.

Jindal, however, has a strongly right-wing position on abortion, stating that he is against abortion 100 percent of the time without exception. (Jindal has since sought to clarify his position in the instance where the life of the mother is threatened; this is the subject of an edit war right now on Wikipedia). According to data compiled by PollingReport.com, only 15-20 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases, such as in cases of rape or incest. Jindal's position would appear to be in that 15-20 percent, and is likely to scare the hell out of independent and moderate women in the suburbs. Without the "security mom" vote, McCain can't win this election.

That is not to categorically rule out the idea of McCain nominating a strongly pro-life conservative. Someone like Mike Huckabee, for instance, has formidable political gifts and is certainly worth his consideration. But given the mood of the electorate, that is more in spite of his position on abortion than because of it.

33 comments

LP said...

I disagree, partially, with this part of your post, Poblano:

Precisely because of McCain's age, there is likely to be a greater emphasis placed on the readiness of his running mate.

I think this is one question the TM will be very wary of bringing up; they don't want to insinuate that McCain, or any President, would die in office.

If the question is brought up, I think it will be brought up obliquely and through back channels; almost a whisper campaign, if you will.

Sensible Person said...

No, nobody in the MSM or the campaigns would OPENLY bring up the possibility of McCain dying in office, (just like nobody in their right minds SHOULD bring up talk of assassinations hint, hint, Clinton...) However, even McCain himself has said something to the effect of his age making his VP pick more important. these things may be taboo to bring up openly, but people think about them, and they know how to talk around them.

Honnestly, I think Jindal would be a bad pick for McCain for much simpler, if uglier, reasons: He loses the enthiphob vote (or at least hight turnout thereof), and a large chunk of the "experience" vote.

Ted said...

Jindal (and Crist) are good Governors, but it’s a no-brainer that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is the best pick for McCain.

Will Moore said...

An interesting scenario:

Jindal gets picked as VP.
Obama wins.
Jindal gets nominated in 2012.

We have a plausible scenario for an all-non-white presidential election.

As a white guy, I say: 43 in a row was plenty, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Jindal (potential VP for McCain) converted to Christian religion from Hindu religion and is an opportunist right from the begining on the policies.

Jindal is exactly similar to Clinton who will 'say anything and do anything to win election'.

Shame on Jindal / Clinton.

Bill in Georgia said...

Jindal would be an intriguing choice, but I agree with your reasoning.

But isn't McCain jumping the gun a little here? Or are these meetings being staged to show bring various constituencies back on board?

McCain would be smart to hold off on making a choice and hope that Obama decids first. If Obama picked a man, McCain would have the chance of selecting a moderate woman and then be in a position to win many of Senator Clinton's supporters.

Anonymous said...

The oldest first time Presidential nominee picks the youngest Vice Presidential nominee...like that will happen. Particularly when the guys appeal to Independents, women specifically, is very suspect.
Ain't gonna happen.'

felagund said...

No way. Jindal is brown.

There's no good choice for McCain. He has to pick someone who can bring one of the big groups back on board, and all such candidates will drive off voters from the other two groups. Religious conservatives and Romney or Paul? Corporate clowns and Huckabee or Paul? Right-wing pot smokers and anyone but Paul?

Liam Gallagher said...

I agree with Sensible Person - Jindal would be an awful pick for McCain because he would suppress the racist vote that he'll need to stay even close to Obama. And at age 36 - he'd be wayyy too young for the "experience" voters.

I definitely agree with 538's opinion that this is just to get Jindal's name out there for future races.

Brandon said...

Yeah because anyone that doesn't vote for the messiah must be a racist. Obama supporters that cry racism at every step are only hurting their cause.

KCinDC said...

Will Moore, Jindal does have to be nominated as VP to run in 2012 (or 2016). It's silly to run for VP when he's just started his term as governor anyway.

Sensible Person, "enthiphob"? Is that supposed to be "ethniphobe"? Even that is virtually unknown. Why not just say "racist"?

Brandon, who suggested such a thing? The point is that some people not voting for Obama are racists. Do you actually disagree?

Anonymous said...

He's not picking a conservative as his VP. This is all for show so he can claim that he looked at some conservatives before deciding on a moderate. He needs to go for the fences with his choice since he has almost no shot of winning the Presidency. It will be Bloomberg.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it obvious?
Obama clearly equals change in a Change election cycle. To compete, McCain needs to roll out something big, something new, while not alienating his conservative base.

Meanwhile, Lieberman political future is in doubt, having lost his base in Connecticut. Has anyone else noticed how often Lieberman has been spouting Republican positions and defending McCain lately? Or how much time they are spending together? Lieberman has clearly hitched wagons with McCain, gambling on some quid pro quo I imagine.

By adding a marginally Democratic Senator to his ticket, "maverick" McCain could reignite the adoration of media pundants and capture the attention of undecided independants...

-jon

Anonymous said...

Jon-

I used to think it would be Lieberman, but the SurveyUSA VP polls have shown that Lieberman actually brings McCain down. I think he's hoping for Secretary of Defense since he's finished in Connecticut. But I was thinking along similar lines and came up with Bloomberg.

Anonymous said...

No way it will be Bloomberg. Bloomberg is pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro gun control.

If you want about 30% of the Republican party to sit out the election, Bloomberg is a good choice. There would literally be an uprising at the convention.

The Dead Guy said...

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is the darkhorse to be keeping an eye on.

44, female, anti-choice(pro-life), husband a commercial fisherman, oldest son serving in the Army, 80%+ approval rating, helps McCain's fight in the Pacific Northwest - and more ... I've laid out some quick reasons: http://thedeadguy.com/2008/palin-vp

There are a ton of right-wing blogs talking about her for Vice - but almost no one on the left-wing blogs.

Anonymous said...

"he's brown"

Are we serious? Jindal isn't a bad choice because he's Indian-American. What possible ethnic stereotypes does he have to fight?

He's a terrible choice because of his extremism.

And it doesn't help that even as a fellow Indian-American, I would never vote for the guy.

Anonymous said...

If Jindal is the Republican bench they need to shine a light on, if he is their candidate of the future, then they are truly doomed to a generation as the minority party.

Anonymous said...

McBush has a challenge. Jindal's a bad choice for all the reasons Poblano's post made clear. Crist is a problem because of, well, does Larry Craig ring a bell?

He can't pick Huckleberry because he'll lose Michigan and Wisconsin, and he can't pick Romney because he'll lose the Carolinas, Georgia, Missouri, Florida, and maybe even Mississippi and Texas over the Mormon issue.

How about Jeb Bush?

Patrick said...

Per the recent SurveyUSA veep polls: the data is remarkably consistent, and not what seems to be expected:

1) The polls show that Obama's pick for running mate is much more important than McCain's pick.
2) If Obama picks Edwards for running mate, he will win. A 10 point swing is insurmountable for Republicans this year.
3) McCain's best polling is for: Mike Huckabee (surprisingly). What's more, Huckabee improves his numbers the most in California, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico, but not much in Virginia. My hypothesis for the reason that people outside the Bible belt (i.e., the votes McCain needs anyway) are most likely to be more pro-Huckabee has to do with the perception of the Republican party: in the South, the Republican party is primarily perceived as the party of social conservativism, while elsewhere, economic and military concerns may dominate. Elsewhere, Huckabee's socially right policies will prove popular (don't think that the value voters, who are much more likely to base their vote on social issues than their left counterparts, have disappeared).
4) The people want a name they know in politics, and that name can't be Mitt Romney.

The chances of McCain looking at this poll and picking Huckabee? About 0%. The chances of picking Romney? About 50%. He's been running an awful campaign so far (e.g., spending 1 month campaigning in the South and states like Kentucky; going to Michigan and talking about non-economic issues, trying to veer further to the [i]right[/i] even after securing the Republican nomination, etc.); he has the worst campaign staff in my memory. Someone please call Karl Rove!

The chances of Obama picking up Edwards? Darned good - his staff actually has brains and has worked well. I give it near 50%.

Brandon said...

KCinDC, don't you think there are also black Obama voters that are voting for him ONLY because he is black? You can cry racism so can I.

Patrick said...

My take in Jindal: I agree 1000% that this is over-balancing the ticket, and it would hurt him (it wouldn't help turn out the racist vote either). However, his pro-life policies will have little effect: let's not forget how Barack Obama voted to make it legal to allow a unwanted, but born alive fetus to die (a position surely held by les than 15% of the electorate) - this hasn't hurt him (yet) though.

Sensible Person said...

Brandon: I'm not claiming that everyone who doesn't vote for obama is racist. However, the fact that he is black has something to do with why a lot of people aren't. And as for your "black racism" charge: are you seriously suggesting that a substantial portion of the black voters voting for Obama wouldn't vote for a white candidate, just because they were white? Because a good 6% of Americans WAS willing to admit that they wouldn't vote for a black man in the latest Gallup poll on the issue.

As for my use of the term "ethniphobe..." I intentionally used that term because I think a lot of it's slightly more complex than pure racism (although there probably is some of that involved.) Basically, it's that people are afraid of anything "other" in a cultural sense. It's partially his race, but then it's partially his name, partially the muslim smear, partially the Rev Wright thing... each one feeds of the other, and it creates this image in many people's mind of someone "other" a threat to "mainstream" (and yes, white) America. So it's not much BETTER than pure racism, but it is more complex.

Jindal doesn't have a muslim smear or an insane former pastor yet, but he does have a name that a lot of these "ethnophobic" people would find scary. I don't think he'd necessarily even get some of the same hysterical myths propagated about himself, but it would slow the momentum of the anti-Obama ethnophobia.

Brandon said...

Yes, that is what I am saying. You had black people voting for Obama over Clinton just because he was black. If a white candidate got 95% of the white vote against a black candidate, everyone would be crying racism. Why isn't the reverse true when a black candidate gets 95% of the black vote against a white candidate?

Sensible Person said...

Brandon, my point here is, Most of Obama's black supporters didn't refuse to vote for Kerry in '04 because he was white. Racism (and all forms of bigotry, for that matter) is a negative concept i.e. you vote AGAINST someone because of their race, not for them because of it. If both candidates were black, the racists would stay home or vote third party, whereas when they have both been white, that mostly hasn't been the case the other way around. I don't want to make a big deal out of the racism thing, because I don't think it's a big deal, but I'm not gonna be naive by pretending it doesn't exist.

Chuck said...

I think everyone is missing the point. MacCain lost the Louisiana primary by 1% to Huckabee. Maybe he wants to get to know a suscessful Louisiana Republican.

Anonymous said...

Brandon:

African-Americans tend to vote near 90-10 for the Democratic candidate every single election. That's why they are considered the most loyal voting bloc in the Democratic party.

Now.. just because they vote in those strong numbers for the first viable African-American candidate does not make those voters racist. Historically, white democratic Presidential candidates get strong black support.

I feel, on the other hand, that any John Smith black candidate would do just as poorly as Obama in Appalachia.

Anonymous said...

Obama is clearly the biggest pro-death candidate in this field, so I think McCain picks someone to help him with the "base." Jindal is a good choice, but will alienate some.

I like Pawlenty, or Palin.

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