5.06.2008

Election Night Thread

12:10 AM. Hillary Clinton is going to win Indiana. A big chunk of Clinton-leaning votes just came in from Lake County, which now has 98% of precincts reporting.

Instaupdate: MSNBC, indeed, calls it for Clinton, which looks like a pretty safe assumption.

11:54 PM. You think the Obama-Clinton margin is close? The margin in Indiana's gubernatorial primary is now within about 600 votes. Also: apparently all of the Gary vote has been counted, except for absentee ballots. I don't think Obama is going to do well enough in Hammond to make up the difference. He might need to pull in some votes from the remaining Marion County precincts if he's going to have a shot at pulling this out. Of course, there is also the provisional ballots issue.

11:38 PM. With some new voting in with Lake County, Clinton's margin has been reduced, but we're still showing her squeaking out an win by 0.9 points. It appears that most of the Gary vote has been counted, and that most of the outstanding vote is from Hammond, which is 15% black. I don't quite think Obama will pick enough votes in Hammond to win the state -- in fact, I'd guess they'll split more like 50:50, or maybe 55:45 Obama -- but we'll see. Obama also stands to gain a few points in Marion County and Monroe County (home to IU) which has yet to count its absentee ballots.

11:20 PM. Another milestone of sorts: if you COMBINE the results from Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina, it now appears that Obama will have gained in the popular vote between those three states. I am not sure about the delegate count.

11:10 PM. If we look at the outstanding vote OUTSIDE of Lake County, the model shows 3,771 votes for Obama and 3,000 exactly for Clinton. Most of that comes from the couple of precincts in Marion County that have yet to report. So Obama has just a tiny bit of wiggle room outside of Lake Co, but we all know where this is going to be decided.

Intrade shows Obama at 86% to win the Democratic nomination and 15% to win Indiana. For my money, those numbers should be more like 92% and 30%.

11:00 PM
. Because of the provisional ballots issue, it's a strong possibility that neither candidate will be able to declare victory in Indiana until days from now. (Well, except that Clinton already did declare victory).

10:55 PM
. Hendricks and Porter counties are now fully reported, adding slightly to Clinton's margin. However, those votes were expected to lean Clinton, so our model is still projecting a 1.0 point margin.

10:46 PM.
The first votes have been reported from Lake County: Obama leads 27,991 to 9,470 with 28 percent of precincts reporting. It is not safe to make a straight extrapolation from these numbers because some precincts in Lake county are predominantly black and very Obama-leaning, while others will be Clinton-leaning. My model -- which does not make its projections that way, now show Clinton winning Indiana by 1.0 percent or about 12,000 votes, but obviously, we're at the point where absolutely anything can happen. Insta-update: Keith Olbermann says that the vote that just came in was in fact from Obama-leaning Gary, and that about half of Gary's vote remains to come in.

10:43 PM
. Discussion question: name one state that an Obama-Clinton joint ticket might carry against John McCain, but that neither candidate might carry individually. For me, the first state that comes to mind is Indiana.

10:18 PM.
Obama's popular vote margin in North Carolina is now 219,022, bettering Clinton's in Pennsylvania.

One positive for Clinton, though:
she won Southeast Indiana by about 2:1 against Obama. That's what her margins are liable to look like in West Virginia and Kentucky.

10:03 PM.
Russert says that there are about 229,000 outstanding votes in Indiana. I had figured on a slightly smaller number, around 195,000. So, that's a little bit more breathing room for Obama. On the other hand -- looking at the counties that surround Lake County (home to perhaps 160,000 of those votes) -- Obama did not particularly outperform his projections. I am guessing that his pulling this out is -- I don't know -- about a 12-to-1 longshot.



9:49 PM.
Clinton's margin in Pennsylvania: 214,224 votes. Obama's margin in North Carolina with 13 percent of the vote yet to be counted: 204,419 votes. The remaining vote in North Carolina looks to me to be pretty representative of the state as a whole, so he will likely finish with a win in the 230,000 vote range.

9:45 PM.
Tippecanoe is in, and Obama did not pick up quite as many votes there as he was probably hoping for. His path is now steeper, as we show Clinton's winning margin ticking up to 2.3 points.

9:40 PM.
Isn't there something ironic about a candidate who's only remaining path to the nomination to insist that all votes are counted in Florida and Michigan giving a victory speech before all votes are counted in Indiana -- and three of the four major networks say the race is too close to call?

9:28 PM. Clinton's numbers ticking upward a bit on stronger-than-expected results in Clark and Gibson Counties. We now show her winning Indiana by 2.1 points and about 27,500 votes. Obama needs to hope that the outstanding precincts in Marion County contain a lot of ballots, and hope for both a big turnout and a substantial margin (+15-20 points) in Lake County. It's a bit of a longshot parlay, but if the network's models look anything look anything like mine, the CBS call of Indiana remains premature.

9:10 PM.
Unless there's something funny going on with the early balloting, this margin in North Carolina should stick at about 14-15 points for Obama.

8:52 PM.
I'm now showing Clinton winning Indiana by 1.8 percent, or about 23,000 votes. And one thing to remember about Indiana is the provisional ballot issue -- people who were rejected at the polls because they did not meet the state's ID requirements could still cast provisional ballots and prove their identity later. It's possible that we'll still have a hanging chads type of situation.

8:33 PM. I've had my head so buried in the numbers that I've barely paid attention to Obama's speech. For a speech that at once seeks to speak to voters and superdelegates, he's struck a pretty effective balance.

8:28 PM. CBS has apparently called Indiana for Hillary Clinton. Others haven't. I think that call is *way* premature. I now project a Clinton win by 2.3 points, and if Obama blows out his numbers in Lake County -- that could still very easily tip the state.

8:13 PM. Obama's margin will come down a bit in North Carolina, mostly likely to somewhere in the 12-15 percent range. But double digits looks safe based on the county-by-county returns. And turnout is overperforming expectations in North Carolina too, so he could fairly easily clear 200,000 popular votes.

8:04 PM. OK -- St. Joseph now did just come in, with the margin a couple of percentage points ahead of our projection for Obama.

8:01 PM. My projection for Indiana is continuing to tick down a bit as Obama's margins are coming in better than expected in Marion County. I now show a Clinton win by 2.9 points. But there are no returns in yet from several of the strongest Obama counties: Lake, Monroe, St. Joseph, Tippecanoe. This could turn out to be pretty interesting, and while Clinton remains the favorite, we may be here awhile before the networks are ready to make a call.

7:42 PM. Current projection: Clinton wins Indiana by 3.6 points. But most of the outstanding returns are in Northern Indiana, where Obama has been outperforming my model. He has a chance here -- not a particularly good chance, but a chance.

But the reason why David Alexrod looks so happy right now is because the fact that Indiana hasn't been called yet has given more currency (rightly, in my opinion) to a discussion about the Limbaugh vote. If the storyline from tonight is: "Obama wins decisively in North Carolina; Operation Chaos puts Clinton over the top in Indiana" -- that's one of Obama's better-case scenarios.

7:03 PM. It looks to me like turnout in Indiana is going to be around 1.1 to 1.2 million, blowing away almost everyone's expectations. Turnout in Marion County (Indianapolis) actually is coming in ahead of my projections, but that's also true for almost every region in the state.

6:48 PM. I've tried to rig up a model to project state results as the county returns come in, sort of like the networks use to make their calls. The Indiana margin is still looking to me like 3-6 points for Clinton, depending on exactly what assumptions you make.

6:36 PM. Buy Obama stock at Intrade, which is trading up, but only by a couple of points. His objective tonight was to avoid a disaster, and he's done that.

6:33 PM. CNN exit polls say African-American turnout in North Carolina was 33% of the electorate. Pollsters 1, Poblano 0.

But it does look like I might have gotten the right result for the wrong reasons. Obama won the black vote overwhelmingly -- 91-6 -- and avoided getting completely killed with the white vote (59-36).

6:30 PM. MSNBC and CNN immediately call North Carolina for Obama; the exit polls appeared to have Obama ahead there by about 14 points. My impression had been that it took about a 15-point margin for the networks to call a race out of the gate, so this would be consistent with that impression.

6:16 PM. Obama is overperforming our projections in Northern Indiana, and Clinton in the Southern part of Indiana. Which could mean that our projections stunk, that the Bubba Gap is widening, that there are some home-state effects for Obama in Northern Indiana, or any of the above.

Right now, it looks to me like we'll eventually be looking at a Clinton win by about 6 points. If turnout is light in Gary and Indianapolis -- could be double-digits. If turnout is heavy -- Obama could squeak by with a win.

6:04 PM. Among people that voted for Hillary Clinton, 7% said they would NOT be satisfied if Clinton wins the nomination. I'll take Operation Chaos for 200, Alex?

5:37 PM. I don't want to call this a "liveblog", because I've got several competing distractions tonight and I'm not certain how often it will be updated. But early results for Clinton in Indiana look good for her, coming in a few points ahead of our benchmarks.

93 comments

marathon said...

Yeah, but all of the results to come in so far are from "bubba" counties.

marathon said...

That Obama is doing as well as 40% in rural Indiana is actually rather encouraging.

Anonymous said...

Obama is outperforming in Allen County as well. He is currently at +10%, but the prediction is +6%.

Anonymous said...

Vigo County looks particularly discouraging for Obama. Turnout is 5k higher than projected (with 80% reporting) and Clinton is up 4k votes.

B Mozaffari said...

Poblano, it'd be nice to see you contrast the partial results with your predictions to get a more balanced understanding of what to expect.

marathon said...

Obama is doing almost as well (57-43) as he did in all of PA, and no reports have come in from Indy or Gary or Bloomington.

This could be close, if not an outright win.

David said...

Obama and Clinton both seem to be winning their counties by more than projected in Indiana, except for a few counties surrounding Indiana where Obama is doing better than expected, even winning (right now)two Clinton counties, Boone and Putnam.

Dave said...

Without Monroe, Lake, or Marion counties we don't know a whole lot.

Turnout is the factor. Look for a quick call if turnout isn't huge.

Anonymous said...

Fox said their final exit poll had Clinton 52, Obama 48.

Rasmus said...

Could CLinto get a 4th Delegate in CD 02?

marathon said...

Dave - also Tippecanoe, and Perdue too! :)

Anonymous said...

CNN is already calling NC for Obama, based I guess on his big lead among the 1700 voters who answered the exit poll.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NC

dreaminonempty said...

The Limbaugh effect according to exit polls, reposted from a dailykos comment, since there's lots of numbers people here:

17% would vote for McCain against Clinton. 41% of those 17% (or 7% of all primary voters) voted for Clinton in the primary but would vote for McCain over Clinton in the General. That's Operation Limbaugh.

Also, 19% would vote for McCain against Obama. And only 12% of those 19% (or 2% of all primary voters) voted for Obama in the primary but would vote for McCain over Obama in the general.

Confused yet? :)

Here's another way to look at it: 9% of people who voted in the Democratic primary were Republicans gaming the system, and would prefer to vote for McCain instead of the Democrat they voted for in the primary. 75% of these Republicans voted for Clinton.

So, suppose the final results are 53-47 Clinton, if we removed these people gaming the system, the numbers actually would be 50-49 Clinton.

Clear as mud?

varjo said...

Watching MSNBC, and there's a comment that something like 40% of Clinton voters would vote for McCain in the fall. Assuming that this used to be around 15-20% prior to project Chaos, this means that it becomes 25% Chaos-influenced.

dreaminonempty said...

varjo,

They must be looking at the number that says of those 17% who would vote for McCain over Clinton, 41% voted for Clinton over Obama.

That means 13% of Clinton voters would prefer McCain over Clinton.

Likewise 4% of Obama voters would prefer McCain over Obama.

Anonymous said...

Exit polls do or do not include early voting. If they don't then it looks like AA vote is 35% (not 33%)- very healthy.

John said...

poblano,

CNN said on tv that blacks were 41% of the electorate in NC not 33%.

marathon said...

On the black vote being 91-6...where is the other 3% I wonder - John Edwards?

Rasmus said...

I think Indiana is over. Marion turnout is low.

Anonymous said...

What is up with Tippecanoe County. CNN has 100% reporting with about 500 votes each, but your projections have about 20,000 votes?

Anonymous said...

poblano... you might want to check the numbers on your county-by-county model for tippecanoe. 100% of precincts are in, and there were only 900 votes. you predicted almost 20,000.

Rasmus said...

Marathon- No Preference, I think.
anon 6:58 PM: LOL

John said...

Anonymous - I think CNN might want to check their numbers in Tippecanoe County. It's a county of 150,000 people, and includes Purdue University. The idea that there are only 900 votes there boggles the mind.

Poblano said...

The Tippecanoe results are clearly wrong and I'm disregarding them for the time being.

Rasmus said...

But NC looks good to me, maybe except the West. He is even tied in Dare and Johnston right now.

Anonymous said...

Poblano -
Looks like you underestimated turnout in IN a bit.
I'm hoping that Marion picks up a bit (in turnout).

marathon said...

No way is Tippecanoe 100% in...that isn't even 10%

marathon said...

Now CNN has Tippecanoe back to 0%

Rasmus said...

...With less than an hour to go in today’s primary, 26,041 people had voted at Tippecanoe County's vote centers. That's in addition to the more than 11,000 who voted early in Tippecanoe County....

Rasmus said...

I wonder if CNN is reading 538...
THey just resetted Tippecanoe to 0% with 0 votes in.

marathon said...

I want to see some results from Lake County...it's nearly 28% black, and if they went 92-8 Obama, that's 130,000 votes.

marathon said...

I should say 130,000 people...not all of them can vote...

Rasmus said...

But finally SUSA got a bad result, too. That InsiderAdvantage and all those were wrong, is nothing special, but probably SUSA is 10-15 points off today...

marathon said...

SUSA had Clinton getting over 20% of the black vote, triple what she got.

Rasmus said...

We are now down to 10 points in Indiana, with almost all parts of rural Indiana being counted. Everything that remains should be good for Obama- maybe we´ll get down to 4-5.

kid oakland said...

good stuff Poblano.

thx for all you do.

marathon said...

Indiana is down to a single digit spread

bedir than average said...

the Indiana exit pollls indicate a Clinton +4, or so

But those can't include early and absentee votes, and we know that number was large, though not as large as in NC.

An organization that calls the race at this point is going to be wrong.

poblano, your delegate work in IN looks like it should hold true.

Anonymous said...

Missouri, anyone?
Do you remember Super Tuesday night, with most networks except CNN calling the state for Clinton with most St. Louis precincts not yet in? I think we could be looking at something similar. There is also the borders Illinois factor which should play a role (just like for Missouri).
This is going to be close, and SUSA will get to report something a bit different on their next "scorecard".

Rasmus said...

Well, I don´t think that Obama can still win. There are still some counties in the south not yet counted and CLinton will probably win by a 35-40 point margin there.

But I agree that he will close the gap- 3.6 points looks good to me.

marathon said...

Anon @ 19:42

I was just thinking the exact same thing about Missouri.

I'm starting to believe Obama could actually pull off a win in Indiana.

Anonymous said...

St Joseph's just went from 0% in to 100% in? Showing Obama winning by 3,200 votes..

Anonymous said...

cnn says obama up by 6% in st. joseph with a total of 63,000 votes , 100% reporting... interesting

Rasmus said...

And the statewide margin has fallen the first time down to less than 6%- actually 5,98%. (1 minute ago)

marathon said...

Yeah...I've noticed some of Indiana's counties don't show up at all until they're all counted.

That's why I'm surprised CBS has already called Indiana for Clinton. Lake County is still blank.

nindid said...

Down to 4% and ~40k difference. Still seems unlikely for Obama to take this but the totals are really coming in for him now.

AllenJMears said...

Great job Poblano. re: that %black vote in Carolina. I assume that the exit polls don't include the absentee and early votes, in which there was a 40% AA vote, so is the real turnout more of a weighted average of the exits polls and the early votes?

marathon said...

It sounds like Obama got his groove back.

This is his most energetic speech since Wisconsin, if not the Potomac primaries.

Rasmus said...

Down to 4% and ~40k difference. Still seems unlikely for Obama to take this but the totals are really coming in for him now.

Actually it´s more like 4,87% but nevertheless- he´s catching up.

marathon said...

Lots more of Tippecanoe and Monroe to come in, and all of LaPorte and Lake.

There might still be enough to turn it around.

marathon said...

So will we see a superdelegate flood tomorrow, or just a trickle?

If he wins Indiana, even by 1 vote, I think it's the former.

Rasmus said...

NC margin down to 14,75%- I think we can get to 8 there.
IN margin down to 3,22%- it´s important for Obama to get the margin smaller than 3%- because it will be displayed as 51-49 and not 52-48 then. The same as in PA.
The best would be to get down to 1% because we would see a 50-50 split then- that could be in reach.

But all polls were not so much off as we thought- +5Clinton in IN is not so far off, and +8 Obama in NC will be close to the actual results in some minutes.

marathon said...

Indiana is almost completely counted except for the four best counties for Obama...Lake (28% black), LaPorte (12% black), Tippecanoe (Perdue U), and Monroe (Indiana U).

I honestly think Obama is going to win Indiana. He only needs 55% of the remaining vote to do so.

marathon said...

Also, tonight's results absolutely erase the popular vote margin Clinton won in Pennsylvania....it's back to what it was before that.

That argument (such as it was) is gone now.

Oxy said...

LaPorte coming in +4% Clinton, with about half in... not as good as it could have been.

marathon said...

Looking at the % in for the North Carolina counties, I think Obama is going to keep the double digit margin to the end.

Peter B Fitzgerald said...

I actually wouldn't count on Lake Co. to change the outcome. Gary will most likely vote heavily for Sen. Obama, but I think that will be counterbalanced by a fair amount of "white, working-class" enthusiasm in the rest of the county, where Clinton signs predominate & where Bill Clinton was welcomed very warmly.

A more open question in my mind, though, is whether Lake Co's fairly large Mexican & Salvadoran populations will follow voting patterns established next door in Chicago, or patterns established in other parts of the country.

marathon said...

LaPorte at Clinton +4 is just about what I expected.

Mark said...

Let me be the first to congratulate you on the amazing accuracy - your IN & NC predictions were amazingly close.

marathon said...

Okay, after what Hillary just said, I'm begging Indian to turn.

CD said...

This Hillary speech was obviously written before the results of tonight.

Great coverage Poblano.

Jirka Lahvicka said...

Thanks for the fantastic coverage - if I had to choose just one source of information, this blog would be it! BTW Clinton's Intrade price is crashing down, so it really must be over.

MN said...

Sir I salute you. I thought you were full of BS, especially after your PA, TX, OH, and Super-Tuesday math but you were as close as any tonight.

Thank you for making me eat my words.

bedir than average said...

Anyone know when IN officially reports with full absentee and certified provisionals?

The Dead Guy said...

MSNBC thinks Lake County is 180,000 votes - Obama campaign thinks less than that.

The Dead Guy said...

Comments by the Mayor of Gary:

"Let me tell you, when all the votes are counted, when Gary comes in, I think you're looking at something for the world to see," Mayor Rudy Clay, an Obama supporter, said in a telephone interview from Obama's Gary headquarters. "I don't know what the numbers are yet, but Gary has absolutely produced in large numbers for Obama here."

Even I, an Obama supporter says this sounds fishy. Hearkens back to JFK's victory in Illinois in 1960. “Don't buy a single vote more than necessary. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a landslide.” -- Joseph P. Kennedy

Anonymous said...

Re: Question @ 10:43: Arkansas? Nevada?

along said...

amazing work, yes thanks for all you do.

"Discussion question: name one state that an Obama-Clinton joint ticket might carry against John McCain, but that neither candidate might carry individually."

yes, IN, but could they land a huge electoral fish? TEXAS. Yes. They. Could.

AllenJMears said...

Texas.

marathon said...

I agree, Dead Guy.

I support Obama too, but this doesn't look particularly kosher.

I don't know why Lake County played it so coy...this isn't winner take all.

Losing by 5000 is more or less equal to losing by 5000.

varjo said...

Re: Question @ 10:43: A guarantee of the close toss-ups like Penn & Ohio & Florida, making them non competitive.

Maybe Missouri?

There's just not enough close states out there outside the mid-west.

The Dead Guy said...

"Discussion question: name one state that an Obama-Clinton joint ticket might carry against John McCain, but that neither candidate might carry individually."

Big MO ... both barely lose MO to McCain - but together, perhaps.

Greg said...

I'd say not Nevada but maybe Arkansas. Also maybe Missouri? New Mexico?

The Dead Guy said...

"Discussion question: name one state that an Obama-Clinton joint ticket might carry against John McCain, but that neither candidate might carry individually."

My other pick NH.

Anonymous said...

Maybe TX with Hillary's Latino love and Obama's youth and AA appeal. BUT, Hillary would be a killer in the Midwest, she's just not popular. I could WI, MN going the other way. It might guarantee enough electoral vote IF IF IF, the republican's weren't holding Bill's cards. And they are.

marathon said...

Yeah...Hillary is poison in the Great Plains and the Mountain West.

When North Dakota's congressional delegation invited Obama, whom they all had endorsed, to their convention, and then Hillary followed, people in ND, though always gracious and courteous, mused about exactly why exactly she was coming...perhaps to lecture them about caucuses.

Dan Munz said...

Some more political crack for those following Lake County closely: http://www.nwi.com/blogs/election/

Anonymous said...

POBLANO: However this comes out in the final details, and even if you came to your results "in the wrong way," your demographic model worked extremely well in both Indiana and North Carolina -- within 2 to 3 points of the actual vote division in each state. And it beat the consensus of the polls in going out on a limb. Congratulations!

marathon said...

West Virginia and Kentucky look a lot worse than 2:1 for Obama I'd say...some counties in Western Virginia were nearly 9:1 for Clinton.

Obama will be lucky to get 20-25% out of Eastern Kentucky.

ab03 said...

Hammond mayor said that HRC won by about 600 votes

Tim said...

Yes, the Hammond mayor is on CNN and has said that Hillary won in Hammond by about 600 votes. So it looks like its over for Obama.

OriGuy said...

What's going on with Union County? No one there to count?

AllenJMears said...

Congratulations on your IN + NC predictions, Poblano. Just about perfect!

Anonymous said...

POBLANO: Using standard media rounding, it appears to be a 2 percentage point win for Clinton in Indiana. So you nailed this prediction right on the head!

Anonymous said...

POBLANO: One last comment. Pollster.com give you kudos among the non-pollster prognosticators. But guess who hit both state results right on the head: Zogby!

Rasmus said...

Zogby predicted Obama +2, not Clinont +2, when I am right.

But I think CLinton still gains when we combine IN, NC and PA- 3861 Votes at the moment.

Zach said...

I must say, I'm really impressed. You did better tonight than any of the pollsters. Congrats!

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