Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Can Obama Clinch on June 3rd?

Last night, Barack Obama clinched a majority of pledged delegates excluding Florida and Michigan, as well as under certain Florida/Michigan scenarios. But, in spite of a big win in Oregon and a well-executed speech in Iowa, the milestone did not quite produce the sense of euphoria and closure that his campaign might have been after. The circumstances of the day -- Hillary Clinton's overwhelming margin of victory in Kentucky, the late hour at which Oregon ballot boxes closed, the subdued tone of the evening necessitated by Senator Kennedy's diagnosis, and some relatively effective pushback from the Clinton campaign on the pledged delegate metric -- conspired to prevent that.

Obama might have another opportunity to declare victory on June 3rd, when South Dakota and Montana conclude the primary calendar. The conditions for doing so are otherwise pretty favorable. He is likely to achieve victory in one or both of these states (his worst case scenario is probably losing one of them -- more likely South Dakota -- by a small margin). And while Obama could conceivably hold a victory rally anywhere, there is a sound argument for doing so in Montana, a potentially competitive state that symbolizes the Democrats' 50-state strategy (think Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester) and their hopes to expand the electoral map in November. But will the math be there to make Montana the state that puts Obama over the top?

It depends, of course, on what happens to Florida and Michigan at the Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting on May 31st. But the good news for Obama is that something will happen at the Rules & Bylaws meeting, meaning that the Clinton campaign can no longer use those states as a smokescreen to deny Obama a sense of victory.

Some scenarios, of course, will make it easier for Obama to declare victory than others. But let's boil it down to just three possibilities:

(i) Florida and Michigan aren't seated;
(ii) Florida and Michigan are seated, but their delegations are reduced by half.
(iii) Florida and Michigan are seated fully.

In cases (ii) and (iii), we'll assume that the seating is based on the results of the January primaries, but that Obama will receive all of Michigan's uncommitted delegates.

Between now and June 3rd, I show Obama as picking up 47 delegates: 41 from the Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico primaries, plus 6 add-on delegates from state conventions that convene between now and then. The question is: how many undeclared delegates does Obama need to commit to him between now and then to be able to claim victory? By 'undeclared delegates', by the way, what I'm referring to are (i) undeclared superdelegates who are not add-on delegates from states yet to hold their conventions, and (ii) former Edwards delegates who have yet to declare for a candidate.

Following are the key metrics under each of the three scenarios:



Lots of numbers there, but I'm trying to draw your attention to the line in yellow:

(i) If Florida and Michigan are not seated, Obama will need only about 13 superdelegates and Edwards delegates to commit to him between now and Montana to clinch the nomination on that date. He will almost certainly achieve this, even if he underperforms in Puerto Rico. All he'd need is to roll out one superdelegate per day between now and Montana.

(ii) If Florida and Michigan are seated as half-delegations -- very probably the most likely scenario -- Obama will need about 38 commitments between now and the 3rd to secure the nomination (though he'd probably want to aim for more like 40-45 to play it safe). This would require about three new commitments each day. Although the Obama superdelegate bandwagon has slowed down just a bit lately, this would seem to be within reach.

(iii) If Florida and Michigan are seated fully -- essentially, how the Clinton campaign wants them to be seated -- Obama will need 63 commitments, or about five per day. This is a steeper hill to climb, but might be possible with a sufficient amount of arm-twisting.

The fallback date for Obama is probably June 21st, at which point a half-dozen states hold their conventions and the delegate selection process officially concludes. We expect Obama to win roughly 17 additional add-on delegates between June 3rd and June 21st.

If Florida and Michigan are not seated, Obama has effectively already clinched under this scenario. We have him picking up 41 pledged delegates and 23 add-on delegates between now and the 23rd, or 64 total, slightly more than the 60 he needs even without any further superdelegate endorsements. But even under Clinton's best-case Michigan/Florida scenario, with the delegations fully seated, Obama will need only 1-2 superdelegate commitments per day to clinch by June 21.

The very last line in the table might be the one to pay the most attention to. If the Florida and Michigan delegations are seated as half-delegates, Obama needs only about 10 percent of the outstanding superdelegates in order to clinch the nomination; Clinton would need 90 percent. If Florida and Michigan are fully seated, Obama needs about 20 percent of the remaining undeclared delegates; Clinton needs roughly 80 percent.

In other words, the Florida/Michigan brouhaha is much ado about nothing. Even if Clinton gets her way with the two states, she'd still need about 80 percent of superdelegate commitments to secure the nomination. Clinton's arguments about electability and the popular vote might persuade a dozen delegates, or a couple dozen, or perhaps even the majority. It won't persuade 80 percent. (Or more realistically, the 90 percent she'd need if there is some sort of compromise on Florida and Michigan).

The math is sufficiently impossible for Clinton that one wonders about her motivation in pressing her case so bluntly in Florida today. I am on the record as saying that I don't believe that Clinton is trying to undermine Obama to set herself up for 2012. I continue to maintain that position. At the same time, this was not about Clinton whistlestopping her way through the steppes of South Dakota. It was about her going into a critical swing state and literally trying to upstage Obama while undercutting his claim of legitimacy to the notation.

What's particularly puzzling about Clinton's actions is that there are 222 undeclared delegates in play, versus a difference of 54 pledged delegates between her best-case and worst-case Florida/Michigan scenarios. She might well have done more harm among the former group today than she could hope to gain among the latter. By making her arguments in such an uncouth way, Clinton risks poisoning the waters on any sympathy she might gain on Florida and Michigan, just as she poisoned the waters on her electability arguments with her "hard-working" comments. Rather than hardball politics, it's a counterproductive and contrarational strategy.

Increasingly, I am beginning to side with Jonathan Chait: we should stop trying to interpret the Clintons' actions as those of a rational campaign. This is not just about Florida and Michigan. It's about kindergate and Jesse Jackson and "hard working" and a whole series of actions that were at best politically tone-deaf and at worst almost willfully self-destructive. The story of the Clintons is not that of a campaign that will debase itself in order to win. Rather, it's one of a campaign whose sense of self-pride had become so swollen as to obscure its path to victory.

36 comments

Anonymous said...

How in hell do you churn all this good stuff out? Surely you have a team!

(BTW/ the link to "kindergate" doesn't work.)

Russell G. said...

She doesn't have to be "irrational" to be doing what she's doing.

Perhaps Clinton believes that a McCain presidency will better serve her personal interests and those of her family and friends.

At this point, I doubt it's because she would want to run in 2012 (because taking it all the way to the Convention and making so much trouble that she contributes to an Obama loss would guarantee that ‘normal’ Dems would never support a future bid on her part).

Perhaps she's continuing in such a strident, disruptive, and harmful (for November) simply because she’d make more money with McCain and his friends (who are basically her friends) running the show.

She's neither irrational nor (always) dumb–-just greedy and selfish.

Anonymous said...

Remember that there are actually two half delegate scenarios that the committee will consider: 1) Half pledged delegates plus half superdelegates. 2) Half pledged delegates with no superdelegates.

Currently, all superdelegate have been stripped of their votes. If the committee still wants to punish the state party leaders they will not give any votes to the leadership.

538/poblano said...

I've also heard half-pledged plus FULL super mentioned as a possibility.

DavidD said...

As you say, the advantage to Senator Clinton in delegates if Florida is seated doesn't explain the level of her rhetoric. How much does she want to be Vice-President? Since she knows Senator Obama doesn't want her, she can't become VP by being nice.

I wish someone would do some good reporting and explain this. What are these remaining superdelgates thinking? Surely the candidates know, but from the press, I don't have a clue. It makes it harder to understand what the candidates are doing in the present.

One thing about this race is that it's such a historic collapse of a frontrunner that there will be plenty written in the future to explain what happened, with the benefit of hindsight.

For now, the best handle I have is when Bill Clinton said neither he nor his wife are quitters. My guess is that explains a lot more than any rational goal Senator Clinton might be pursuing. She likes the sound of her rhetoric. There's not a drop of quit in it - could it be that simple?

The Winch said...

"But the good news for Obama is that something will happen at the Rules & Bylaws meeting, meaning that the Clinton campaign can no longer use those states as a smokescreen to deny Obama a sense of victory."

Unfortunately not. If she doesn't get her way with this committee, she can still appeal the decision to the Credentials Committee which meets AT THE CONVENTION. Sigh.

I think SNL was right. Hillary will still say she's going to keep contesting this election after Obama is inaugurated. She's like a zombie that can't be killed.

vosh said...

My understanding is that the RBC can basically only make a recommendation. Whatever rule changes they make, each state delegation is ultimately voted on by the Credentials Committee (which I think meets some time July). Obama will almost surely control that committee but if Clinton's demands aren't met in full all she'll need is 20% to file a minority report that would then have to be voted on at the convention.

If I am right, then what the RBC is really about is psychology. The media are giving it a lot of attention, thus it may have the significance of a major primary. The punditocracy will probably presume that the magic number is whatever the RBC decides, but in truth, without Clinton's consent, the magic number and the MI and FL delegations won't be truly decided until the convention. Her consent may even require sending a Michigan delegation of Clinton 73, Uncommitted 55. After all, that is what the voters "decided." Nevermind that the whole "election" was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge last March.

So if Obama goes by the RBC's decision and declares victory when he hits their magic number, unless Clinton consents to the RBC as well, he'll still have the problem of being portrayed as a sexist, voter-suppressing elitist pig by her and her supporters.

But I for one am getting sick of Obama and the party leaders deferring to her, allowing her "popular vote" demagoguery to go by virtually unchallenged. Where is Al Gore? Is he really going to allow her to de-legitimize Obama in his name, to paint herself as Gore and Obama as Bush? That is what he's doing every second he remains silent. And I can understand why: Clinton is blackmailing the entire party to back off and let her lose her way, lest she lose in even worse ways.

I can't even articulate my disgust. And I know we Obama supporters can't say things like that now because we need unity, and for a while I did follow the truce, but I'm going to need a lot more discipline.

Kim said...

Two points: 1) How many of the superdelegates left are add-ons? I think you could already estimate who those are going to pretty reliably.

2) Clintons are still functioning like it's politics in the 90s. They've become accustomed to being able to make inflammatory statements, then be able to deny it (even turn it around on their accusers) and then smooth things over later. Bill especially is known for this, as we saw in this primary. And you know, in the past, they've been successful with it against the "vast right-wing conspiracy"...but not so much against Obama.

So I don't think of this FL comment as irrational, so much as a use of a tactic that they really shouldn't have the credibility to be able to get away with anymore. Unfortunately, Hillary still has fervent core supports and we'll see the reprecussions. Personally I think she's vying for the VP slot and I'm starting to think she's going to get it.

nieddu said...

Hillary Clinton is going to use the ruling of the Democratic Credential Committee on the 31 of May, as a pretexts to pull a Liebermanesque ad run as an independent.
I would be looking forward to that (so would the media), this will benefit Obama tremendously, his message for change and portrayal of McCain and Hillary as the "same old Washington politics" will resonate well with voters.

In a context between JMC, BHO and HRC scenario, BHO would win the election easily.

vosh said...

nieddu, I'm really not worried about that. Whatever my dislike of her, I don't think she is stupid or crazy. What she is doing makes sense from the 2012 perspective. Yes, it's unlikely that she would win then (poblano has outlined many of the reasons why), but there's no chance, none whatsoever, that she can win this year. It's 2012 or bust. But for 2012 to remain in play, she can't take this to the convention. That's why I'm still confident that this will be resolved in June.

Gerthein said...

I think Hillary might take it to the convention if the RBC rules that MI and FL will not be counted at all (although she probably won't, but we can't be entirely sure).

However, halving the delegates and assigning MI-Uncommitted to Obama is a solution that is entirely too reasonable for her to dismiss it and go on to the Credentials Committee with any semblance of dignity and rationale.

Since the half-vote scenario still gives Obama the nomination in the end, it's what I'm hoping for. Perhaps the Obama camp can quietly inform the RBC that they'd have no problems with it.

BTW, what happens to Edwards' FL votes anyway? If they could somehow be added to Obama's, the results would be 50-47 for Clinton. Add Dodd and Richardson as well, and it's 50-48.

The Winch said...

"I think Hillary might take it to the convention if the RBC rules that MI and FL will not be counted at all (although she probably won't, but we can't be entirely sure)."

Alas, the bitter zombie has other plans...

"Hillary Rodham Clinton says she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far. In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.

The presidential candidate said Wednesday, "Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this."

For more on this, go to
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_i_will_take_fight_over.php

Anonymous said...

I'm not quite convinced. Your math is right if none of the superdelegates change sides, but I don't think she's given up on the idea that she can get them to do that.

The path is pretty clear (if terribly, terribly wrongheaded). She'll keep arguing that she's got a better electoral map than Obama and that she's won a majority of the popular vote - an argument she makes by giving him no votes in Michigan or in the four caucus states he won that don't report vote totals. It's a completely bogus argument to anyone not already on the Clinton bandwagon - at least so far - but I wager they think if they push hard enough, long enough they can turn the tide. And, there was a disturbing graphic in the WaPo this morning that reported popular vote totals in a way that her campaign must have considered a step in the right direction. It claimed she was ahead if you count FL and MI - not mentioning that she's ahead only if you give her both those states *and* discount the caucus vote.

Meantime she'll claim that Barack Obama is perpetrating a crime against democracy and her supporters will shout that it's only sexism that causes people to bring up the delegate count.

Superdelegates - please locate your spines.

politicjock said...

Clinton has taken a very dangerous route because if she believes that the Obama supporters will sit idly by and let her destroy the integrity of the electoral process of the Democratic party she’s highly mistaken. This was supposed to be the year of the Democrats, the year when the people throw out the Republicans because of all their failed policies. Instead, because of the thirst for power of one person, we are more and more likely to witness a civil war within the Party that will cripple it for years to come.

SPorcupine said...

Senator Clinton looks to me as though she is reading scripts handed to her by staff minutes before she stepped to the microphone. They're coming up with this stuff, and no one is thinking through whether it makes sense in the big picture. Watch how she stops and nods after individual lines: it's like she's completing a recital rather than speaking her own mind.

We've seen this before when she said Senator Obama offered "change you can xerox." It was an antique idea, delivered meanly for a laugh, out of synch with the rest of what she said that same night. Exactly as if someone came up with it, and no one thought through how it clashed with being proud to be on the stage with Obama.

And it's the small version of the big problem in her whole campaign: no central message and no single firm hand in charge.

I predict steady incoherence for the next two weeks, with wonderful party-building statements tangled up with petty jabs and outlandish demands.

doktarr said...

Kim,

Poblano is already projecting the add-ons and putting them in Obama's column when appropriate. That's the "6" (by June 3) and the "17" (by June 21, for 23 total) he lists.

I agree with anon @7:49AM that Hillary must believe she can actually REVERSE the decision of pledged superdelegates. As we've seen here, her polling numbers are improving of late versus McCain, as McCain is saying nothing bad about her and Obama is going out of his way to say nice things. And truth be told, there's no reason to think Hillary would have a hard time winning if Obama happened to be struck by lightning.

That said, improving poll numbers in June will not reverse the commitment of any superdelegates. They understand the dynamic of what's going on.

My guess:

1) The rules committee declares the 50% scenario.

2) Obama declares victory on June 3rd, with 2125ish delegates.

3) Hillary insists she only considers full seating legitimate and vows to continue the fight, but drops out in mid-June, after the remaining undecided superdelegates stampede Obama's way and he blows past 2209.

Redshift said...

The Winch:
'In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.

The presidential candidate said Wednesday, "Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this." (emphasis mine.)'

I think the bit I've highlighted is one of the key questions. Will the Clinton campaign press for Florida and especially Michigan even if their state parties don't want to continue to fight. Based on a look at the DNC rules, it looks like they can (a case presumably intended to keep candidates from getting screwed by state parties that disagree with their electorate), but it would seem like an awfully tough row to hoe, and would probably result in the challenge being widely perceived as a formal complaint about a primary process that's really already over, rather than "taking it all the way to the convention."

Since Michigan officials have already tried to put forth a compromise that Clinton rejected, we know they're not committed to going over that cliff with her. So in that light, I'd say that the current campaigning in Florida is as much an effort to get the state party to continue to support the challenge as much as anything else.

Sam Hill said...

This site has become my first stop of the day. I really appreciate the careful and transparent analysis, and thoughtful comment. Thank you.

=j said...

If she really is "campaigning for vice president", I suspect she will be the John Adams of the 21st century. Obama can be a pretty accommodating guy, but I have a hard time imagining him being happy with anyone shoehorning their way onto the ticket.

Arthur said...

The analysis is cogent and I believe valid. However, the facts play little part in the politics here. The Clinton camp is obviously convinced in the righteousness of their cause. What is not clear is why this has clouded their perception. The problem is not that they may deny Obama the nomination, but rather that they poison the pool, i.e. raise the temp of the race to such an extent that the residue of ill will derails the general and/or harm the long term unity of the party. There is already a convinced group of Clinton supporters who are so embittered that they may split from the Obama led party. This may soon be compounded by the backlash from some Obama supporters who react to the Clinton tactics. The Clintons seem to have forgotten that the vast bulk of supporters, on both sides, are not political pros who can play hard and vicious and then reverse their positions easily the next day as most pols can. Rather the bulk of the voters are marginally involved and motivated by passion, issues and personal conviction. Once convinced that the other side is playing dirty pool, they won't be easily unconvinced. She is planting seeds that may bear bitter fruit in the future.

Sunikanya said...

It is past the time when someone should have taken Hillary by the arm and escorted her off the stage. Her objectives a clearly not for what is best for the Democratic Party. Would any of the other candidates have been allowed to continue with their public fight to be President, even after it was evident to all that the task was impossible? Could Obama have gotten away with this type of behaviour? I think not.

doktarr said...

Congratulations, poblano! You've once again proven yourself relevant enough for people to try to criticize you. In this case, a front page story on myDD is cherry-picking the opening paragraph from this post, and making it seem like you are attaching importance to something that you, in fact, are not attaching any importance to.

It's sort of ironic, because I imagine that you would agree that pledged delegates are not the ultimate yardstick. It's just not your point.

Anonymous said...

Clinton is clearly into a scorched earth policy now. Her remarks in FL about slavery, the hanging chad election, and so on, are becoming more and more bizarre. Her backtracking and shifting the criteria for victory, and her threat to go all the way to the convention, are poisoning everything in the race.

One conclusion: she's given up on becoming the VP candidate; so being even more offensive has no immediate cost for her. But she can sail off into the sunset with her $100 million in wealth when this is done, deceiving herself into thinking she "went down to defeat fighting for a larger cause."

She's got a cancer on her candidacy now. But she can leave a legacy as the Jim Valvano of Democratic politics, with the immortal phrase "Never give up! Never give up!"

Danny said...

Poblano,

How would the "Pelosi Club" fit in to all of this? Seems like they make even the higher Super #'s attainable if they follow their pledge.

Anonymous said...

Gee, what a great site! Terrific main post, and rational comment from the rest of you!

I think the Clintons must believe: Whoever's the nominee will be the President (and those educated Chablis DEMs who vote for Obama won't cut off their noses by crossing to McCain). So ANYTHING is worth it. Have a 2-fold strategy: (1) PULL: Convince supers to turn her way (ref: "popular vote," "electoral map" etc.); and (2) PUSH: brinkmanship/extortion, with progressive threats to blow things up (made plausible with interspersed big-wins).

Not pretty. But if you want someone who's "in it to win it," then "I'm your girl."

Anonymous said...

She's not irrational. It is pretty obvious she is going for VP at this point. She hasn't said a bad word about Obama for weeks. Neither one of them will have enough elected delegates after all voting is done on June 3 because she keeps winning. There are a number of superdelegates who would easily vote Obama for prez, and then take Clinton as VP. Don't forget the convention chooses the VP nominee in the rules, not the candidate. The more leverage she has in terms of the number of delegates, the more she matters at the convention and for VP. It is very rational, actually.

Anonymous said...

When's the last time the convention chose a VP nominee who wasn't requested/approved by the Presidential candidate beforehand? I don't think that's happened in the last 60 years. Probably not for a lot longer than that.

I'm not saying the Pres candidate is immune to incentives to accommodate different interests when making his VP choice, as JFK was in choosing LBJ. But it was Kennedy's decision, not the convention acting independently.

SPorcupine said...

After the May 31st meeting, who has standing to appeal?

Say the committee agrees to seat half the pledged and no supers. That's the minimum penalty listed in the party rules.

If the state party is the only body that can appeal that, they might decide to take the deal and move on. They'll want a good relationship with the nominee and his fundraising juggernaut.

If an individual delegate can appeal, someone will do it from each state. Even then, it could be a small subset of the total delegation, and maybe even so small that it's clear to everyone that the matter is settled.

I'd also love to know who--if anyone--could appeal if the committee seats a full delegation right in line with the voting in each state.

chyk said...

OK, your analysis is very interesting, but my question is: What exactly is it that the Clintons have over the neck of the party to the extent that the party and/or the superdelegates are scared to support Obama and end this thing?

Patrice said...

I see Sen. Clinton as a woman swimming in very rational denial. She absolutely refuses to "see" the obvious, that she can't win, but the beauty of her blindness is that it allows daily access to her amazingly huge ego. I think she and Bill have carefully used their crayolas drawing a big picture that includes more options than Obama's VP slot because creative strategists in denial plan for all possibilities no matter how remote or out of that box labeled humility and common sense.

Does anyone really think that her campaigning in Florida last year wasn't carefully planned as part of the bigger Zimbabwe picture we see today?? This woman puts all possible scenarios on the table because in her amazing world, the most magical things can happen, like files appearing and disappearing, if she hangs in there long enough. What if Obama gets run over by a yellow submarine between now and November? (Wow, big opportunity there.) What if, because she now proudly sports the biggest pair of bowling balls, John McCain makes her a VP offer she can't refuse? Hmnn, she might have already had that conversation with a good insider bookie. Wonder what he gave her for odds of McCain getting run over by a demented senior in a walker (I can't explain why the name Joe Lieberman popped into my mind)after he gets elected.

The "what if's" can be lined up like dominos on a toy box..all she has to do is keep campaigning and see what happens. We can only hope someone gets her a boat before she drowns in that river!

James said...

This will all be resolved no later than Mid-June. Why? Simple because of Ted Kennedy's diagnosis during the last week. He is the final son of Camelot, the last of the brothers, the final link in the family that has been the Democratic Party for the last half century. His endorsement is no longer just an endorsement but the passing of a legacy. Name one Democratic Super Delegate that will tell Senator Kennedy no to his request for party unity. He will unite the party, be the DNC Key Note Speaker, and this will serve as the bookend to the Kennedy legacy. His last great contribution to the party, bringing it together after it appeared hopelessly divided.

R. Squibbs said...

Gerthein said:

"However, halving the de