Lanny Davis, annotated:
Here are two important neutral principles that should guide the Democratic National Committee’s Rules Committee when it meets May 31 to decide whether to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations — and, if so, how to allocate them between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.Record numbers? Not in Michigan. According to the Michigan Bureau of Elections, the record for participation in a Democratic Presidential Primary came in 1972, when 1,588,073 Michigan Democrats cast ballots. That is nearly one million more ballots than were cast this year. (On the other hand, had Michigan held an "official" primary, and had the voters had behaved approximately as they did in Indiana, Wisconsin, and Ohio, about 2,000,000 voters would have cast ballots, easily breaking the record).
One principle is based in law, the second in pragmatic politics. Both principles result in the same solution: in some rough approximation, honoring the results expressed by almost 600,000 Michigan Democrats and more than 1.7 million Florida Democrats, who turned out in record numbers though they were told their votes didn't count, were not responsible for the rules violations, and don't want to be disenfranchised.
The legal principle supporting that solution is pretty simple. In U.S. contract law, the party breaching a contract usually has the right to "cure" the violation during the term of the contract. But if the other party stands in the way of that cure, the breaching party cannot be further sanctioned — and certainly, as a matter of fairness, the party preventing the cure should not stand to benefit.If the breach in question is Michigan's decision to advance the date of its primary beyond what the DNC permitted, it would seem that the parties to that dispute are (i) the Michigan Democratic Party (MDP), and (ii) the DNC. Therefore, if the MDP sought to cure the breach (that is, hold a do-over election), the principle that Davis articulates would suggest that the "breaching party" -- a.k.a. the MDP -- could not be further sanctioned.
It is unclear, however, what any of this has to do with the Clinton and Obama campaigns. At best it is an argument for seating Michigan's delegates. It isn't an argument about how to seat them.
That is, in fact, what happened in 2008 to Michigan and Florida. Those states violated the party rules when they scheduled their primaries before Feb. 5. But then in March, elected officials and party leaders in both states were willing to "cure" — i.e., to hold new primaries and raise the money privately to pay for them. In Michigan, Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Sen. Carl Levin proposed a "fire house" primary in June, in which voters could revote at local fire houses or libraries. In Florida, Sen. Bill Nelson and others supported a revote by mailed ballots and perhaps also offering the fire house alternative for those voters who preferred to vote in person.While Obama might have run the clock out on Michigan and Florida revotes, he probably would not have had the opportunity to do so had the Clinton campaign decided to start playing offense a little sooner. In a US News interview dated March 6th -- two days after the Ohio and Texas primaries -- Clinton stated her opposition to Florida and Michigan revotes:
DNC Chairman Howard Dean said at the time that such revotes were permissible and would bring Michigan and Florida back into compliance. And there was precedent: In 1996, Delaware Democrats held a party caucus earlier than the permissible date, resulting in a rule violation. But state Democrats were allowed to hold another caucus later on and were then found to be back in compliance.
In March and April 2008, Clinton publicly supported the revote proposals of Michigan's Granholm and Levin and Florida's Nelson. She repeatedly invited Obama to join her and do the same. He never did — and the revotes never occurred.
Now the Obama campaign would say that they neither objected nor approved; they just raised "concerns." That is a fact. But here is an unavoidable inference from other undeniable political facts: Had Obama instructed those supporters in Michigan and Florida who were opposed to the revotes to support them, and joined with Clinton in endorsing the revotes, the new rounds of voting would have occurred.
Can anyone seriously argue against that inference? Or that the Obama campaign, by referring to vague concerns for weeks about the revote proposals without offering to sit down with Clinton campaign, Florida, and Michigan Democratic officials to work them out, was more intent on playing out the clock and killing the chance of any revotes than finding solutions to permit the revotes to occur?
I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn't have any choice whatsoever. And I don't think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated.Moreover, as late as March 13, the Clinton campaign opposed a Bill Nelson type vote-by-mail primary in Michigan. But at some point in mid-March, the Clinton campaign changed its position. This would appear to have been motivated by the fact that the Clinton campaign had not significantly cut into Barack Obama's delegate margin in Ohio and Texas, and needed some way to add time to the clock.
Money was certainly not an issue. Sufficient funds — estimated at between $15 million to $20 million for both states — could have been privately raised. New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and many other big Democratic donors publicly offered to raise this much. Moreover, does anyone doubt that had Obama joined Clinton in supporting these revotes, there would have been any difficulty in raising this sum just from their joint appeal on their campaign web sites alone? Hardly.I can agree with Davis on this point: money was the least of the barriers to Michigan and Florida revotes.
So what is the fairest solution for the Rules Committee, taking into account Michigan's and Florida's willingness to revote but for the failure of the Obama campaign to sit down and work out details to solve their "concerns"?Stop right there. What are these "7 [delegates] collectively cast for Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich" that Davis refers to? He appears to have invented them out of thin air.
It is rather simple. Go back, in effect, to the status quo ante and make some reasonable and fair adjustments.
In Michigan, Clinton received 55 percent of the vote. According to Thegreenpapers.com, she thus should receive 73 pledged delegates based on that percentage.
What about the 50 remaining uncommitted delegates, and 7 collectively cast for Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, who were also on the ballot?
According to Davis's preferred source, the Green Papers, the largest share of the vote that Kucinich + Dodd collectively received in any one congressional district was 6.7 percent, in MI-15. However, this percentage would have fallen far short of the 15 percent threshold required for a candidate to receive delegate representation out of a congressional district.
I would also note that Davis's arithmetic is wrong. He suggests that Michigan had 130 delegates: 73 for Clinton, 50 uncommitted, and these 7 phantom delegates he assigns to Kucinich and Dodd. But in fact, Michigan had been assigned 128 pledged delegates before its sanctions, and not 130.
Some of those 50 delegates might have been for Clinton as a second choice to candidates other than Obama, so it would be totally unfair to award all 50 delegates to Obama.It isn't quite clear to me what Davis is arguing here. That some voters who voted for "uncommitted" did so as a proxy for John Edwards, but would have voted for Clinton had Edwards withdrawn from the election? Notwithstanding that the number of such voters was probably very small, Democratic primaries make no provision for instant-runoff voting. Should we also go back to New Hampshire and South Carolina and assign John Edwards votes in those states to Clinton and Obama? No; Edwards should get credit for all his presumptive votes, and if he gets any delegates out of them, those delegates should be free to behave as other Edwards delegates do.
One little known fact: Clinton complied with party rules by allowing her name to remain on the ballot, as did Dodd and Kucinich. Obama was not forced by party rules to remove his name — he chose to do so.Actually, this is debatable. The pledge letter signed by Hillary Clinton did not merely prevent Clinton from campaigning in Michigan and Florida, but also from "participating" in those contests.
The Rules Committee has several options. The fairest would be to allocate those 57 pledged delegates, to Clinton and Obama by the same ratio of their standing to one another in the average of the most recent Michigan statewide polls prior to the Jan. 15 primary. Or perhaps one Solomonic compromise, more generous to Obama than to Clinton, would be to divide the remaining delegates approximately 50-50 between the two of them, 28-27 (giving Clinton the extra delegate since she led in all the latest statewide polls prior to Jan. 15).I don't even know where to begin. Davis is arguing that Clinton should be given all of her delegates and the lion's share of the uncommitted delegates based on her standing in pre-election Michigan polling. Or, he might be so kind as to let Obama have (almost) half of Michigan's uncommitted delegates. Such magnanimity has not been seen since last night's season finale of The Tudors.
If Davis is arguing that public polls should be used to assign delegates, he opens up a whole can of problems, not least of which are that:
(i) The last public poll taken in Michigan that had Obama's name listed as an option was in the field from November 30th through December 3rd -- more than six weeks before the Michigan primary. (After that point, all polls pit Clinton against uncommitted). According to Real Clear Politics, Clinton held a 19.2 point lead over Obama in national polling on December 1st. But by January 15th, when the Michigan primary took place, that lead was down to 10.4 points. A lot had changed after Iowa, and it would probably have changed in Michigan.
(ii) For that matter, why not instead use a Michigan poll conducted six weeks after the primary, like the one Rasmussen conducted on March 6th? In that poll, Clinton and Obama were tied at 41 percent.
(iii) If the Clinton campaign thinks that polls are an accurate measure of the popular will of the electorate, it has trouble claiming the moral highground on the popular vote argument, when current polling shows Obama ahead of Clinton by an average of 10.2 percent.
If Davis insists on using polling to allocate the Michigan delegates, it would seem logical to use the exit poll from the day of the election, which has the virtues of being contemporaneous with the election and consisting of people who actually voted in it. What does the exit poll reveal? If all candidates had been on the ballot, support would have broken down: Clinton 46, Obama 35, Edwards 12, Kucinich 2, Richardson 1.
The exit poll also suggests that very little of the uncommitted support was intended for Clinton. By doing some very simple algebra, we find that uncommitted supporters would have given 77.1 percent of their support to Obama, 19.1 percent to Edwards, and 3.8 percent to Clinton had all names been on the ballot.
And interestingly, some significant fraction of Clinton's support would have gone to Edwards and Obama had their names been on the ballot. Specifically, 11.6 percent of Clinton voters indicated that their first choice was in fact Obama, and another 6.6 percent John Edwards.
I took the liberty of reassigning Michigan's vote based on the exit poll results. In accordance with the exit polls, the Uncommitted vote was assigned 77.1/19.1/3.8 to Obama/Edwards/Clinton, and the Clinton vote was assigned 81.8/11.6/6.6 to Clinton/Obama/Edwards. The vote that went to the other candidates (Kucinich, Dodd, Gravel) is a little tricker to figure, but it appears that 33.2 percent of the "other" vote would have gone to Edwards, 22.3 percent to Obama, 44.5 percent would have stayed with one of the minor candidates (essentially none would have gone to Clinton). Using these figures and the district-by-district results prepared by thegreenpapers.com, we come up with the following reallocated Michigan vote.

If one accepts Davis's argument that polls are an accurate way to evaluate the voters' intent in Michigan (and uses the election night exit poll -- the only poll conducted within a three-month window surrounding the Michigan primary) then Clinton would have beaten Obama by about 50,000 votes in Michigan.
We can also use these reallocated vote totals to assign delegates based on the usual formulas. Note that John Edwards failed to achieve 15 percent viability in any congressional district, so all of the delegates are assigned to Clinton and Obama.

According to this procedure, 69 delegates should be assigned to Clinton and 59 to Obama; none to the other candidates. Interestingly, the 69-59 split exactly matches the one now proposed by Michigan's Democratic Party.
Florida's compromise solution is even easier. Clinton won 50 percent of the vote, while Obama won 33 percent of the 1.7 million Democratic votes cast. According to Thegreenpapers.com, that would give Clinton 105 delegates and Obama 69 delegates. That leaves 11 elected John Edwards delegates yet to decide, as well as 13 still unpledged superdelegates. (Eight supers have already decided for Clinton and five have decided for Obama).Although I have fewer objections to counting the Florida vote as is, I fail to see how this in any way qualifies as a "compromise", since it's Clinton's strongest possible position.
Practical politics: Winning the November electionBut which campaign is blocking a compromise now? Which campaign is not amenable to the 69:59 split proposed by the Michigan Democrats, or the solution to count Florida as half-delegates, as proposed by Clinton supporter Bill Nelson? The answer, in each case, is the Clinton campaign.
Such solutions for the seating of Michigan and Florida, rooted as they are on neutral and long-standing principles of law and equity, are also required by practical political realities if the Democrats want to win the White House in 2008.
If more than 2.3 million Democrats in Michigan and Florida are told their votes didn't count even though their party leaders were willing to revote, that could anger them, to put it mildly. If they blame Obama for not supporting the revote while still blocking a fair solution by the Rules Committee, essentially not permitting their January votes to count, they are likely to be angrier still — if, that is, he is the Democratic Party's nominee. In a close election that could mean the difference between the Democratic candidate carrying or losing Michigan and Florida.
Is it worth risking the White House in November by not accepting this fair solution?
I don't think so — too much, such as the Supreme Court and Roe v. Wade, hangs in the balance.
Moreover, it is hardly clear that voters are directing their anger on the issue particularly at Obama. While Clinton has outfundraised Obama in Florida ($9.02 million to $5.66 million), the opposite is true in Michigan, where Obama has outfundraised Clinton $1.39 million to $1.15 million. (In the April fundraising period, Obama roughly doubled Clinton's take in Michigan, raising $305,794 to Clinton's $164,187). Also, while Clinton has tended to perform stronger in general election polling in Florida, Obama has usually had the edge in Michigan.
It would seem from looking at these figures that Florida voters are directing most of their ire at Obama, and Michigan voters most of it at Clinton. As such, both sides have an incentive to compromise.
Lanny Davis' solution is not a compromise. On the contrary, it is so intellectually dishonest as to render a compromise more difficult.

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It seems we attacked the same article, just different ends of it. I also pointed out that a larger reason for the turnout in Florida was that there was a hotly contested statewide property tax amendment on the ballot, which was heavily advertised. That drove turnout as least as much as the primary did, and I believe it was more of a factor.
"Intellectually dishonest" is Lanny Davis' middle name. Whether it's shilling for Lieberman, telling us how great the Bush Administration's privacy protections are (the ones he's not allowed to tell us about), or pushing an utterly phony "compromise," there is one constant: Lanny Davis is always a tool.
Michigan has tried holding early, illegal primaries since at least 1980. Back then, Carter and Kennedy pulled their names from the Michigan ballot, which meant that the Mitten State was the only primary state won by Jerry Brown that year.
Same thing happened in 2000: Michigan tried holding early primaries, and both major candidates Gore and Bradley pulled their names from the ballot, leaving "uncommitted" and Lyndon LaRouche as the top vote-getters. Dismayed at this turn of events, the Michigan Dem leadership quickly organized a caucus, which Gore won.
They wanted to try it again in 2004, but then-DNC chair Terry McAuliffe made Carl Levin back down. (Now, of course, Mac works for Hillary, so he's done a 180.)
When Michigan broke the rules AGAIN in 2008, Edwards, Richardson and Obama, and later Kucinich, all agreed to pull their names from the primary ballot in the state. Hillary, however, broke decades of precedent and chose to stay on the ballot.
Poblano you have GOT to find a way to get this to the Obama camp. This is excellent. It is extraordinary! Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful analysis!
Poblano rules!!!
Your analysis is brilliant on this. I hope the Obama camp reads it, and it would be great if the MSMedia did as well. Their analysis and commentary has been incredibly shallow on these issues. Maybe they think we are all too dimwitted to follow anything substantive!
so intellectually dishonest as to render a compromise more difficult
I think you've just written the last Clinton campaign slogan of the 2008 season!
Poblano you have GOT to find a way to get this to the Obama camp.
If the Obama camp is not already reading this blog, they don't deserve to win the election. Having worked as a staffer on a presidential race in the past, I know that campaigns read everything printed in the traditional media about them (and their opponents) and most of that isn't half as well researched, thought out, or argued as what poblano writes.
Lanny Davis does not look good at all this primary season. A few weeks ago he was whining because he felt disrespected by CNN. I read this article earlier today and had some of the same thoughts as you, but Poblano, you went way beyond me.
If Mr. Davis wanted a revote in June and now wants to use polls to allocate delegates, then he should agree to using the current polls as that more accurately reflects the will of Michigan and Florida now. But of course, he wouldn't think that was fair, would he (because Obama is either ahead or close)?
By the way, did any of you see the movie "Recount" where Vice- Presidental candidate Lieberman undercuts the Democratic Parties case about how to count military votes? What a *(^*-^%$!!!!
Outstanding work, per usual, poblano.
Only thing I'd like to add is that Clinton's format demands for a revote in Michigan were ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge. www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080326/METRO/803260443/1361 I'm sick of seeing Obama blamed for this. There would not and could not have been a revote period unless Clinton stopped demanding the disenfranchisement of Democrats and independents who voted in the Jan. 15 Republican primary. She never has.
The Florida revote by mail plan was just asking for disaster. It was a terrible plan and the Obama campaign was right not to support it.
I was going to comment on this article where it was originally posted just to say how stupid his allocating uncommitted delegates to Clinton was (which is enough to render his article moot), but you so thoroughly debunked him point for point that he should be required to register as a "truth offender" wherever he moves to.
Poblano, I found your analysis excellent, except for your suggestion of using Michigan's exit polls to determine delegates. The exit polls can't possibly represent an unbiased sampling of Michigan voters when there is only one major candidate on the ballot. I for one would have happily taken time to vote for Obama, but wouldn't get out of bed to vote for "uncommitted". Doubly so when told by every candidate that the contest "didn't count". What happened in Michigan was something other than an election- counting these votes as though it was a real contest is just as undemocratic as declaring a winner by fiat.
You are, of course, absolutely correct, LP. I think the point of the exit poll data is to show that even among the voters who bothered to show up, a voting pool that was obviously heavily slanted toward Clinton, she only had an 8-point edge over Obama. It obliterates the ludicrous arguments that Clinton should get 73 delegates, let alone Lanny's proposal of 101.
Back to the Florida primary, I can't believe I forgot that the mail-in revote would have been illegal: http://incertus.blogspot.com/2008/05/response-to-lanny-davis.html
So in both states, Clinton pushed for revotes under illegal formats and opposed any legal remedies. No wonder that neither state legislature ever got anything passed.
I'm a psephological train-spotter from Oz, and this disenfranchisement of voters really puzzles me, so absurd that the script was written by Samuel Beckett. Why did voters go to the polls knowing full-well their votes wouldn't count? And why did they allow their state Democratic Party officials to move forward their primaries knowing the consequences would be disenfranchisement? Anyway, what is done is done and HRC cannot undo that. From across the other side of the world it is clear Obama is the man!
If Lanny wants to allocate delegates (or "delegaits" as he pronounces them) by polls, I wouldn't mind seeing California's delegates reassigned based on the latest polling, where Obama would now win a new primary handily.
But then, we have rules about the process...rules that must be followed.
Lanny Davis, King of The Hacks!
OK... I can understand a statistical analysis of Lanny Davis's ideas... but really... Why repeat the Obama campaign talking point rhetoric? It takes away from the validity of the other.
Anonymous 10:25--
What rhetoric are you talking about? I thought, if anything, Poblano was clearly over-fair in his reckoning, leaving out some very good reasons that even the compromises suggested are unfair to Obama. (But if a compromise were fair to everyone, it wouldn't be a compromise, it'd just be "the way"...)
Michael:
In Florida, voters, especially older voters, went to the polls on a property tax amendment on the ballot. It is no surprise that Democrats that tended to trend older went with Clinton as we have seen that that demographic nationwide has been highly supportive of her. His voters, who have tended to be younger, had less to gain from the tax amendment and so they didn't show up. The beauty contest did not matter.
In Michigan, there were other special elections. I haven't done the analysis but my assumption is that these areas tended to have higher turnout than those that were just a pointless beauty contest. I guess you could analyze http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/January_15th_Elec_Jurisdictions_219131_7.pdf
and check it against normal turnout to see... All I know is that my parents did not vote, they knew it was pointless and my uncle in Ottawa County voted for his neighbor for school board or something. Not quite a mandate for Hillary.
What about this. Let the Florida votes and delegates count as voted and split the Michigan delegates 50-50.
This will not hurt Obama that much and all the delegates get seated and Hillary can quit her whining.
Any way you slice it Hillary is not going to win and this way all delegates are seated without it changing the outcome.
In a related incident, the soda machine outside the office of Lanny Davis broke down. After watching his co-worker put an "out of order sign" on it, he proceeded to put a dollar in the machine which it obediently consumed. A puzzled look crossed his face when he realized it was not going to give him a soda no matter how hard he pushed all the buttons.
He is currently suing PepsiCo to get back both his dollar and a soda.
RCP links to this website and thread today ...has that happened before?
Why would anyone listen to Lanny the Loon anyway? It is not as if he has a thought of his own in his head! Every time he opens his mouth, Hillary Clinton falls out! By the way, has anyone else noticed that he has not been on any of the new shows lately?
Great analysis. Another potential factor (small?) - since Michigan's Democratic primary wasn't going to count, some Democrats voted in the Republican primary -- often for McCain to avoid having Romney as the GOP alternative to the Dem nominee.
I think Lanny Davis is close enough for horseshoes as it concerns Florida, but his position on Michigan is just ludicrous. I can only think that it's a negotiating tactic.
I've never seen a worse political hack than Lanny Davis. The guy is beyond parody. Hillary could be caught kicking a puppy and he'd try to spin it in her favor.
I always thought Lanny Davis was pretty damn good during the impeachment horror show. But his position on Michigan is absurd. He wants to double-count her votes in a primary where Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot? Christ, when he's done with that he ought to fly over to Zimbabwe. I understand Robert Mugabe could use some help.
I don't get it. If Lanny and Brian have a contract, and Lanny breaks it but offers a cure, how is that me standing in the way of the cure has anything to do with the price of Republicans on K Street?
Michigan/Florida broke their agreement with the DNC, so it's up to them to deal with the DNC. Neither Clinton nor Obama are party to the contract so the argument that they may not benefit from preventing the cure would seem to be bogus. It's the DNC which cannot benefit from preventing the cure, not the campaigns.
In what poblano correctly describes as Lanny's intellectually dishonest analysis, Lanny ignores another perhaps more important legal principle -- estoppel. It's a big, fancy term that basically means you can't take one position on something and then later flip-flop. You're bound by your initial position. As we all know, Clinton initially took the position that the Michigan and Florida primaries didn't count. (Of course, then she was shilling in Iowa and New Hampshire and didn't dare offend their first-in-the-nation status.) So she should now be estopped from taking any contrary position, especially when she is doing so because she wants to win, not because she cares about notions of procedural fairness.
A Michigan federal judge ruled that the Democratic primary was unconstitutional: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/michigan-makes-news-again.html.
How is that likely to affect the May 31 decision, if at all?
Anonymous @ 8:22pm:
The likely effect of the Michigan ruling you linked to is that the Michigan vote totals from January will most probably play little or no role in apportioning that state's delegates.
This ruling will probably make the RBC lean further toward a likely 50/50 split (or possibly the MDP's currently proposed 69-59 HRC-BHO split). I would also look for Michigan's delegation (including supers) to be cut in half, regardless of whatever apportionment compromise is reached.
I don't know how I found this blog Poblano, but I gotta say it:
YOU ROCK!!
You are the best math geek this side of Chuck Todd.
You really do rock!
I loathe Lanny Davis, so anyone who can cyber bitchslap him the way that you do is much appreciated.
This is so good that, in your honor, I would have a pablano pepper if we had any around (all I can find are chilpotle in adobo sauce and, trust me, those cause regrets the next morning).
I don't usually go this way but this is damn good work.
Lanny's a gun for hire Washington lawyer who will argue for anyone who will pay his hourly fee of $700-$1000 dollars. As a lawyer, I can tell you that his contract/mitigation argument is a fantasy. There was no contract between the DNC and the Michigan and Florida Democratic parties so the concept of mitigation, even if it were factually true, which it is not, has absolutely no application.
P.S. As they tell you in law school, "when the facts are against you, bang on the law. When the law is against you, bang on the facts. When the facts are the law are both against you, bang on the table." Lanny's table banging is making a mighty loud noice.
MIles is correct. Davis' contract talk is gibberish. Clearly an attempt to give some legal patina to nonsense in the hopes that the nice sounding words will make it sound intelligent.
Reminds me of Groucho and Chico deconstructing a contract in Day at the Opera. "There ain't no such thing as Sanity Clause."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qi28gKs1_I
Hillary's crew wanted these early apostate primaries as they figured she would get huge margins (because of her universal name recognition) that she could use for bragging rights. And I'll bet they had a private chuckle at the "boys" taking their names off the ballot in MI – knowing they could argue later to "count every vote."
Remember Fla Dems laughed it up when the date was set and Gov Granholm, a Hillary 'girl' refused to veto the MI bill.
Well, getting 55% against uncommitted and barely 50% in Fla with her name recognition says she is not really attracting strong support.
We are watching the death throes of Bill's dream of being uber-lobbyist to the world - with the added benefit of the proceedings being tax free to them and secret – as his quid would be in the form of contributions to his library or his foundation.
Good will Ambassador to the world, wasn't that supposed to be his role? Plenty of time to meet with plenty of scumbags and assure them that he would transmit their concerns to the President or at least to the Vice- President.
Jr. Senator from NY doesn't have much cachet.
Hillary's second biggest mistake was not running for election in 2004. That was the last of the 20th century elections.
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